Platform Barriers Pilot Program
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- This pilot program is part of a larger effort by New York City Transit to advance safety in and around the Subway platform and prevent track intrusion. Platform edge barriers are currently installed at 191 St and Clark St, with Morgan Av on the L coming soon. Thanks for riding with us.
"barrier blvd"
"im a train"
*GOT ME ROLLIN TO SOUTH KOREA*
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I'm a train is a meme now, 😂😂😂
@@jagenigma lol 💀
i mean that R160A or B / 179 / r142 is not wrong
@@Kool_Fish_Here R142?!?!?!? Hell nah man
you can fall in the gaps...?
Pointless program that will undoubtedly cost millions.
“Barrier Blvd”
“I’m a train”
0:22 (J)
The next train is “1 min” away.
@@supremewhipin your dreams
@@kristainviayoutube500😂😂😂
I'm no genius but I think the sign on the side of the train said it was a train.
Most trains are trains, except in ex-train-uating circumstances
Some people are sadly that stupid (or at least want others to believe).
On other hand, I am trying to locate Barrier Blvd on a map. Perhaps is one of the new stations yet to open on next phase of 2nd Avenue line.
Don't forget about "Barrier Blvd" too! 🤣🤣🤣
Platform Barriers can work well on Stations with a curved platform edge , Elevated Stations, and in stations like Beverly Rd on the (Q). Besides that, really Platform SCREEN DOORS, are the solution, and hope to see that pilot program coming soon
Screen doors as in some of the London Tube? That would be a waste of money considering the many other improvements required in the MTA. Even these barriers seem pointless, it's not like people are falling in... The issue is random people pushing others or committing suicide or subway surfing, all rare events that are unlikely to be prevented with these barriers...
Actually Believe It Or Not People Have Fallen From Time To Time In The Past. These Barriers Provide Further Security And They Should Be Applauded.
@@BROOKLYNFIRSTSKY meh, user error seems way down the list of priorities given the very limited MTA budget.
@@dtruque Platform screen doors do allow more area of the platform to be used for waiting passengers (as there is no area near the edge lost to a buffer zone) and thus increase capacity without a costly platform enlargement.
@@dtruqueNot if the barriers are full-height, like the majority of the ones in South Korea.
This is good, but the vertical barriers seen in japan, south Korea, and Sofia Bulgaria are better and accommodate different door arrangements
i think it also has to do with the curvature of some station platforms
I just got back from Tokyo. Their platform barriers are an entire wall that opens and closes when the train stops in front of them. Why don't we have something like that?
We’ll get there eventually, this is just a temporary pilot for safety and testing. When new rolling stock come in, they will be able to begin installing platform doors
They’re expensive
@@jnation29 Sorry, that's not an acceptable reason. We find the funds for any and everything else.
@@jonahsahnfor real. there's tons of money for the immigrants I believe. and there is A TON of money in the military/defense fund.
@@jonahsahnit's probably because not all train models are the same length, some are longer/shorter than others and they arrive in the same station together. A good example would be the N Q R W
But, what about platform screen doors? 🤭
soon. These barriers are ONE of the pilots
It’s simply at the moment not possible. There is rarely a common subway car on any given line. The A & C for example runs the R46 (for now) along with the R179 and new R211A/T. While the 179 and 211 are roughly the same with 60 ft long cars, the R46 are 75 foot long cars. Another example is 6th Avenue, while the F & M run 60 ft R160s, the B & D run 75 ft R68s. There is also a chance for the driver to mess up as in order to get aligned with the screen doors, the train would have to make a near perfect stop. Then there are also platform curves like 14 St-Union Sq. Platform Screen doors will really only exist if a line is converted to CBTC and runs on ATO like the L.
@@VermyScrubs I know, it was rhetorical.
No, look up vertical platform barriers in Japan and SK and the Sofia metro, which fit different door arrangements @@VermyScrubs
@@VermyScrubs As everyone has said yeah there can be screen doors that go upwards.
Bring back the ESI program instead of the half-done "Re-NEW-vation" nonsense.
I'm a train is too funny
Now imagine if you saw that in real life 😂😂😂
good job mta, keep wasting your money
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As much as the program is nice, it's gonna be an issue for these reasons:
The barriers still have a huge gap and people can still walk on the platform edge and the risk of falling on the subway tracks is still high.
Clark St and West 8th St serve different subway routes, and the 2/3/F/Q's subway car sets are different, as the 2/3 use 51 foot long cars and use two different subway cars, the R142 and R62, which may be a little bit of an issue for the barriers. The F won't have an issue since all it uses are R160's, which are 60 feet long, the Q will have an issue however, as during AM rush hours, it uses R160's, when it's normal sets are the R46 and R68/A, both of which are 75 feet long, which can lead to an issue with the barriers.
Don't forget R46s and R160s... that'll be fun!!
it's not going to prevent people accidentally falling or trying to commit suicide. They aren't going to say it out loud but it's to allow people to wait for the train and know that they won't be easily pushed onto the tracks by someone else.
@@romanrat5613 which, frankly, it's rather absurd that this isn't standard for that reason, it's a trivially cheap way to make people more comfortable and safer at platforms
Mom! I want platform screen doors on our subways.
Mom: We have platform screen doors at home.
Platform screen doors at home:
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*I am a train.*
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Why not just add platform screen doors?
Wow! These barriers are terrible. They barely block anything. You should all be embarrassed for not having full-width platform screen doors. I am sure this also cost $5 million or something ridiculous.
This is an old tech for today's standards, Seoul Metro/Korail had this ever since inception, as early as the 70s...
People aren't just randomly falling in most of the time. It's crazy bums pushing people on to the tracks and people accessing the tracks on purpose that they are not supposed to.
This is a waste of time and resources when MTA can focus on the actual problem. The crazy folks and mostly ignorant folks getting on the tracks. It's been decades without these barriers. Now all of a sudden we NEED then? No. Kick the crazies out of MTA trains and stations and increase punishment for people randomly going on the tracks for fun or such.
easier said than done when many cops sometimes dont do their jobs
Honestly, I'm happy the US is getting something instead of nothing.
9590 is leading a train. 😂 Where is 9588 and 9592? Civilized train systems will still laugh, but this is all they can get away with politically
They should have station agents manually control actual PSDs
“Too expensive”
“know what else is expensive? Highway spending. why don’t you go question repairing the BQE?”
“That is absolutely essential though”
“And passenger safety is just as essential. We need this!”
Edit: I don’t know if the city wants to even pay for that anyway. Or if the state or city wants to pay for PSD
There is an opening still no matter what if the train doesn’t arrive, things can still happen. Automated gates when the train arrives is what we need like the JFK air train, this will avoid any track incident with people.
its not going to work
Never 😂😂😂
The Platform Barriers needs to be a little bit longer. : )
Knowing new yorkers, they will figure out a way to absolutely destroy those things
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The train didn't describe itself fully. This is an R160 train car.
“I’m a train”
“Barrier Blvd”
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took EIGHT YEARS
*I’m a train* 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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You could’ve installed platform screen doors instead of placing these cheap fences 🤷♂️
hm, could it be that them being cheap is precisely the point?
this is a total waste of time, money and manpower
“Accidents”… Unfortunately most are not accidents.
those barriers should at least extend up to the roof
These dont work, The day 5 Av (7) got them someone got hit by a train only hours after it opened lmaoo
What I fail to understand is why the MTA refuses to install platform screen doors, platform edge gates or their alternatives.
If the older stations’ platforms are unable to handle their weight, you can still install platform edge bars (found at some train stations in Japan and China) which are much lighter and able to accomodate different train sets with different door configurations as they are wide metal bars instead of being a door or a gate.
Also, MTA argues that they can’t install platform edge gates at curved stations simply because the platforms are curved and they don’t fit. Perhaps the management at MTA are ignorant but there are modern metro systems around the world where they have curved platforms with platform doors. (Hong Kong’s MTR, London’s Elizabeth Line, Chongqing’s CRT, Taipei’s MRT, etc.)
Subway car size differences, especially on areas like the A and C routes.
@TheRailLeaguer the London subway solves this issue by just using large doors that open appropriately to what subway stock rolls in.
@@AndrewTheRadarMan This may not be worth it for the MTA since they are planning to get rid of their 75 feet long subway cars. Every single subway car order for the B division since the new millennium has been 60 feet cars.
In addition, there’s also other issues unique to the NYC subway, starting with the fact that nearly all stations have load bearing columns directly along the yellow platform edge. No way to move them without risking the station collapsing. In short, structural issues have to be dealt with.
These yellow barriers are a decent start and there should be some longer term solution to address this.
just do it on all stations so it is safer
No. I hope they will remove them and go learn from Hong Kong, China, and Japan and see how their platform screen doors are. The one they are installing are useless.
I'm sorry but the rest of the world is installing platform screen doors everywhere, and all you can afford is... that ? That's like, totally not enough lol. If it was, why didn't you do it sooner ? It's like 1900s tech, if platform screen doors weren't necessary we'd use those.
I do think that this is a good step in the right direction but the next step to making this even better is standardizing door placements on your new stock to make this more effective. Many people complain that platform screen doors should really be the move and I do agree to a certain extent. Maybe have platform screen doors on stations which easily allow installation of PSD's while also having this platform barrier program on stations that would be costly to completely redo to retrofit PSD's. (and while you're at it, when our stations eventually become in dire need of complete restoration, we can design the stations to fully accomodate PSD's :)
Do u know about the vertical platform barriers in Japan that accommodate different door arrangements?
@@hobog yes i do. But do you think the mta is handed vast sums of cash? Basicly i would think standardizing your door postions should make this way cheaper.
“I’m a train”
That line NEEDS to be on a T-Shirt!
Come on, MTA. looks at Japan, Hong Kong, and China. Can't you learn from them? Not the one that you are building now.
The smooth brain that came up with this should be fired. Would love to see the MTA budget too, bet each barrier is $45k and each one took 40 employees on overtime to install.
let's talk once you've installed these at Roosevelt Avenue, the biggest death trap in Queens.
Exactly. Like who falls at fuckin w8 street with ridership in the single digits?
@@meli4157cozyThe ridership at the Coney Island and Brighton Beach neighborhood stations do see considerable ridership, especially with the Aquarium open year round. By your logic, there shouldn’t be any subway service below Kings Hwy.
How does this avoid someone from falling onto tracks ??? Stop wasting tax payers money !!!
The next logical Evolution for them is putting a door between the barriers making them a Half height platform screen door seen in Hong Kong and Paris. For the French they're able to fit them into their 1900s vintage stations
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What about Avenue M (Q) and New Utrecht Avenue/62nd Street (D) (N)
All these barriers are a waste of money. I'd much rather see that money go to real system improvements. We went over a century without them and people were fine. People need to pay attention to what's around them and get these mentally ill people and criminals off our system.
So why can't they just use normal platform screen doors you know like other countries
Because the subway system is not equipped in a way where they can be easily installed. One reason is because the load bearing pillars on the platforms (some of which you see in the video), are actually in the way of where the doors open.
@@BillyMartin4Life excellent explanation thank you and
Why Clark. I think it makes sense to just put those where a subway line or 2 subway lines share the exact same train model but seeing videos of Clark st, that is not a issue.
They want to test cross-compatibility with both the R62 and R142s. You know those R62/A 2 trains that show up when Lenox service is shut down? They want to be prepared for that.
"As long as I have my back against this here barrier you can't push me!" -Some dude
"I'm a train" -The train
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0:29 MTA trying to prove ‘great headways’
What's so great about them? 😂
@@S-CB-SL-Animations yeah I had to wait 12 minutes for an F train during Rush Hour.
@@Postmail7495Dang, 12 minutes? That's not good, the timing for a train should've been better than that tbh.
I’m a fan of Mta their reliable
not the platform screen doors needed but better than anything
I like all those background signs lol
"Barrier Blvd" "I'm a train" 😂😂😂
They're really doing the bare minimum here. Just have sliding doors between the columns with plastic barriers on the platform edge. They don't have to be directly aligned with the doors smh.
Where exactly would the doors be? And how wide would they be?
Japan's vertical platform barriers accommodate different door arrangements
"I'm a train"💀
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These are ugly and pale in comparison to platform barriers commonly found in Japan’s subway system. People should not be happy about this.
New York isn't ready for them yet, because of the old trains which are 15 feet longer than the new standardized trains, making them incompatible with the platform screen doors.
To the ones at W8th st, how often will PMs be performed to prevent the rust from corroding the barriers on those platform edges?
What a Jokes. I guest MTA should learn from Asia Metro that already installed Platform Screen Door. And that was a standard by now. Why not just installed Platform Screen Door instead Iron Yellow Barrier?
car length different lengths
So who saw the sign (i’m a train r142)
what does this do lmao
Now imagine a driver overruns the platform and the doors are blocked by the barriers 🫡
Most modern trains are run by computer systems on those trains that that have designated entry systems. The trains have to line up with the doors and it is done automatically.
I’m done riding with the MTA.Yall are just being crazy at this point.
How?
What will your next Transit system be since you're done with MTA?
USA is No.1 !! 🇺🇸
Yall waste money on nonsense instead of fixing what's already broken.
How about actually fixing the tracks and stations. Make it so this way there are more trains.
Do something about the homeless sleeping in the subway and on the platforms
Fix the g**damn elevators already.
Putting these sh*tty barriers isn't gonna do anything cause they will be broken by summer
Those issues are all pretty separate.
@TheRailLeaguer those are MORE important issues that have not been fixes in DECADES.
But they wasted millions on those stupid gates at Suptin Blvd.
They are gonna waste more on these stupid gates that won't do anything except hinder the flow of traffic
@@HeliosKouThat’s not how any of this works.
Some individuals are expressing their discontent with a recent development that could potentially have negative impacts on railfanning. This is because the new development involves a restriction on how close people can get to the tracks. However, it is important to note that this is not a complete ban on railfanning. In fact, people can still observe trains from a distance and get a decent view. The primary concern is that this new restriction may prevent people from getting a closer and more detailed view of the trains, which has been a key aspect of railfanning for many enthusiasts. Nonetheless, safety measures must be prioritized to ensure that railfanning remains a safe and enjoyable activity for everyone involved.
MTA if you have nothing else to do with your money new Yorkes will happily get your next checks. Thank you!
How about trying them at Jackson Heights Roosevelt Ave. for the 7,E,F and R trains those platforms would make for an excellent location for this pilot program
Am I the only one who thought "platform barriers" would be automatic doors along the whole track that open at the same time as the train doors? Come on MTA
That’s a different pilot that’s still coming they literally said “one of the pilots” in the video
The idea overall feels weird but hey at least better safe than sorry / nothing otherwise
The barriers should be placed closer to the platform edge itself, someone could easily fall onto the tracks or get pushed if they are standing behind the barriers, they are a least 1 or two feet from the real edge of the platform.
Rome has had barriers completely along the track that only open when the train doors open.
You half baked the job. Now do the other half (i.e. the platform doors). Then no unauthorized access to the tracks.
only problem is the fact that the carts vary in size meaning the doors will be different depending on the train's model
Massive barriers that are the platform edge when the train is stopped and then is raised to form a barrier
@@rimmables9694Yeah that is a real concern now, but will be less when all the trains are new technology trains.
@@rimmables9694I think just do it on L and 7 first, and part of the G is also possible. I think these area are all using NTT trains which have same door position
Video could have had so much more information in
the perfect subway station doesn't exis-
Who the fuck uses w8 street? Put them at Roosevelt av, junction BLVD, and all the other stations that get overcrowded!
There is still a sizeable ridership at all three stations in the Coney Island and Brighton Beach neighborhoods. The Aquarium is open year round.
@@TheRailLeaguer Those stations don’t have over-crowding. At Roosevelt and junction people are so bunched up with trains running every 2 minutes, the moment delays hit you can see the news notifications of people falling and getting hit almost minutes after.
@@meli4157cozy They do at time, and this is just a pilot, which means that they do have plans for those other stations. Relax. In due time, they will all get what they need.
@@TheRailLeaguer Due time? The time is *now*. This pilot program needs to be at the most crowded stations in the system, not at ones that aren’t even major transfer hubs.
@@meli4157cozy The time is not now and there is too much risk of doing the pilot at the busier stations. From what I see, the plan is to start small to test out and resolve any kinks and from there, go big. Similar to how the OMNY rollout went for the subways and buses.
Ah, the year was 1938...
Great
MTA the greatest transit system in the world 🌍
no it isn't. it's the greatest in the united states, but def not around the world, beijing's subway is better than ours lmfao
@@ltmfofficial don't laugh too hard your brown hole may fall out 🤣🤣🤣
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@@S-CB-SL-Animations l don't wish l know.... take Uber no one needs using the greatest service.
Interesting start. Many comments regarding platform screen doors. The current structure of platforms and construction will not allow platform screen doors to be installed. Major works would have to be implemented to get to the standards afforded by, say, the Elizabeth Line in London, UK.
What about Paris Metro's PSD's that got installed on older lines?
Major works would also include standardizing rolling stock to ensure that platform screens line up with car doors etc. The beauty of MTA Subways is that they are flexible ... too flexible in some cases.
There are still the gaps in between, people can still jump on the tracks. They are not going to be effective unless we put automated gates in those gaps that open and close with the train doors, then it will be much more effective. And also have beeps and flashing lights to indicate when the platform gates and train doors are closing. They could also be retrofitted with the platform gap fillers at curved stations. Just this small improvement will make it even safer. I also think this should be done as part of the CBTC upgrades to the lines and incorporated into the design of phase 2 of the second Avenue subway and the Interborough Express. Lines such as IRT Lexington Avenue and IND Queens Blvd as well as the Times Square shuttle could really use these. Also though not the mta, the path should also use this as it gets extremely crowded.
too many pillars right next to the train which makes it hard to place any sort of psd
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