Ex-player unveils the truth about "sticky stuff" in the MLB...
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- Edwin Diaz is the latest pitcher to succumb to the "sticky stuff" crackdown in the MLB. He's claims it's sweat and rosin he's using, but it seems tahat even that is too sticky for some umpires. So whats the standard?
Also, I may have a confession... I was a user. But, was what I did and a lot of others still do, cheating? I'm sure you'll let me know in the comments...
Peter Moylan's explanation of foreign substances - • Peter Moylan breaks do...
0:00 Edwin Diaz Ejection
0:52 Possible Explanations
3:27 What does "sticky stuff" do?
6:06 What I did
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He’s like watching a magician say all the tricks! It’s glorious
The reason why some people get warned and some get immediately ejected is that they failed the exit inspection instead of the entry inspection. You are allowed to use the rosin on the mound and that can make your hand too sticky and you will be told to wash that off, but you arent supposed to use any rosin before entering so being to sticky on an entrance examination is an immediate ejection.
This is a very good point.
@@TrevorMayBaseball I'm really not sure it does. MLB says rock rosin is legal as long as you don't use "to much". What "to much" means is anyones guess but it seems to be based primarily on the mood of an umpire, if it's his time of the month, and his personal grudges. If you can't have any rosin on your hand when coming into the game well then why do they say rock rosin is legal as the rosin bag on the pitchers mound is just powder rosin correct?
MLB is truly incapable of doing anything right. Making rules that contradict themselves. Saying substances that have been in the game for over 100 years are legal unless the umpires on the rag and decides it's illegal in which case the player is suspended for 10 days and the team loses a roster spot. MLB and the umpires union could F up a wet dream.
Why do bullpens have rosin in them then?
@@mikelee7318 Leagues like to give the referring crews as much power as possible. 🤷 what can I say
What do you think? What should the standards be? Am I dirty little cheater too?
Im sure you all will let me know...
They should keep a box of snickers on the field. Sounds like a hangry umpire will make up their own definition of too sticky. I don't know what the standards should be, but the MLB pitchers that are doing the pitching should be the ones to create the standards.
Fact of the matter is sadly most fans have no idea about being in the weeds as a ball player. Bull frog and rosin, a little tar on the string of the glove. Dark colored glove to hide tar in the palm of the glove to give you plausible deniability.
you got blacked ball and there's nothing could be done about it.
@@madxD144 lol exhibit A
I think a proper solution would require MLB to completely solve the whole baseball manufacturing problem first
lol at 4:12 "I won't use your website then!" that's SO REAL.
That's exactly how i feel too
My exact quote once or twice before.
love the honesty and expertise here! and 100% i do the same as you when i get blocked from any website, just shout at it and never go back! brilliant! 😆
Would kill for you and Plouffe to chop it up on this topic. He’s a big fan of the idea of checking spin rate.
I was watching orioles Yankees last week when it was 90 degrees at Yankee Stadium. In the space of four batters I saw three balls fly over everything to the backstop. Pitchers need to be able to use rosin, or someone is going to get seriously hurt. PS how Mendoza didn’t get himself ejected there I don’t know. That was the time to make a statement.
Didn't know your first name was actually Chester because you're a CHEETAH
love you, Trevor.
Trevor in an Orioles hat! Hell yeah.
I love your stuff.
So happy to see the engagement and views gradually increasing on this channel. Keep it goin' Trev, and maybe consider recording some SoT gameplay on your gaming channel. Really loved those videos🫶
"So what I was doing was slathering everything in spider tack and trying to a thousand more spin rate." - Trevor 'Mayday' May 😂 Love this guy.
Thank you for making thiis video and giving your insights from a major leaguer perspective
When he said, "Okay fine i'll go to another website." I felt that.
Love
Your hat 🧢 and love your take on this!
Trevor..
First of all. That's my name!
Second. I love your videos and I loved following your career and I even got to see you IRL a few times being a Braves Fan. Please keep doing what your doing!
My opinion is, if a guy is sticky to the point he has to be ejected, so be it. But there should not be an automatic 10 game suspension. Take a sample of what's on his hand, glove, neck, ear, whatever, and test it. If it comes back as something other than rosin, sweat and dirt, THEN 10 game suspension. It's either legal or it's not. Suspending somebody for using something that is LITERALLY on the field, is asinine.
Even if it is rosin, you are only supposed to use the rosin on the mound, so anyone who enters with rosin or any other potentially sticky substance that may be technically allowed is still violating the rule.
@@landonponek5729 From MLB's March 2022 updated "sticky stuff guidelines"
"Pitchers will continue to be permitted to use a rosin bag on their hand, wrist and forearm to assist in managing sweat, but they are prohibited from applying it to their gloves and uniforms, nor are they allowed to combine rosin with any other substance, such as sunscreen."
No where does it say that pitchers can only use rosin when on the mound.
@@landonponek5729 MLB's official rules as well as the most recent sticky stuff notice say nothing about rosing only being legal if it's used on the mound. You've got bad information.
@mikelee7318 I'm going off what I'm hearing from umpires, and they say that it's implied by rule 6.02(c).
@@landonponek5729if umpires are saying rule 6.02(c) has any implication that they are only allowed to use rosin on the mound, I think they are mistaken. They may have a point of emphasis saying if someone comes out sticky that’s suspicious, but I just don’t see how someone could argue that rule implies any of that. The only reference to the plate is when touching your lips or mouth.
Son (RHP) made collegiate debut on the border of Canada when it was March. Even the spyder tack froze...:-).
Good explanation, thanks.
I think the reason it feels out of whack to a lot of people is the asymmetry of discretion. Umpires appear to have tremendous discretion about when to eject a pitcher and, as you said, about what the standard is. But then once that happens, the league has left itself no discretion whatsoever as to the sanction. If a guy is really trying to cheat and brings in a substance other than the approved ones, or if he violates the rule repeatedly, sure, a harsh suspension. But I think we've seen a number instances now where it probably would have been more appropriate to impose some combination of an ejection, an additional fine, and/or a shorter suspension. And if there were some kind of more graduated process and a rubric to follow, it would all just feel fairer and more transparent.
First to say you’ve helped helped me out so much as a pitcher
Wow, really? Thats really awesome to hear man, thank you. What has helped the most? Ill try to keep on helping as much as I can!
@@TrevorMayBaseball the vello training and the breakdowns on pitchers doing well. I end up looking at there pitch sequences and I’ve leaned how to sequence better. Even if I don’t have many pitches. Btw Tysm for replying you made my day.
YO Pelican Rosin Rub! I played ball with Dave- who formulated all the Pelican products- just by trial and error in his shop. Truly a mom and pop biz. He's still slugging in the BAVBB.
Gah! It's all just so annoying. So if the umpire is having a bad day, they might think the hand is too sticky or not let you wash your hands first? It's an umpire box of chocolates. You never know what you are going to get. SMH 🤡
Peter Moylan has been great in a podcast with Eric Hosmer. They talked to scherzer about sticky stuff a few days ago.
I can’t even imagine trying to throw a ball with spider tac on my hand.
I say that to websites that make it hard to open all the time.
So fresh and not so clean
This explanation is so unclear and only gives me more questions 😂
4:21 😂
Nice O’s hat!
Our pitcher, Padres Matt Waldron, attempts to throw just the opposite. He’s a knuckleball pitcher and wants no rotation on the his pitch. Do you think the sticky stuff would help him throw better knuckleballs?
Less substances the better for knuckleballers for the most part. The huge uptick in sticky stuff was the quest for spin.
Agreed the suspension is too long. It should ramp up to 10 games after being caught the 2nd or 3rd time maybe.
Mets lost two pitchers due to the umps decision. Drew smith came in cold, didn’t properly warm up and now he needs surgery.
lmao I heard you discord ping and was super confused, as I am also in discord. road to 100K!!!
Did Max explained to you guys when he came back if he ever got a full explanation?
I thought I was watching Nick Johnson
Your videos have a way of turning a bad day around. Thank you for the positive vibes!
There is a product called Tanglefoot put a little on your hand and wash it and it doesn't look like there is anything on your hands but boy does it give you a grip.
BAHAHAHA never do i ever pay money to read an article that shit makes me not wanna support em
I need that hat Trevor. Go O's
How are Robot Umps going to handle this issue? 😅
Is it strange I never cared about the ball? I always cared more about the ritual I guess. Like make sure my Calvary crosses are still there, if that’s not working try a sisters name, or a Bible verse, and then just making sure I do exactly what I did on a good pitch every pitch. Hell, I’ve switched to sidearm halfway through because just was feeling it that day.
I tried to explain how slick a new mlb ball was and the comments came after me…. That just means you’ve never held or tried to throw one! High school balls are the best seams . Big juicy stitch to dig a finger nail into. Having been hit with 95 a few times … whatever it takes for you to know when it’s going. Hitters are guessing anyways
Sticky stuff may increase spin but it also increases accuracy. I believe it makes the game safer.
Agree 100%. If you ask most guys, they just want a little tack. The Rosin rub is literally the same formula as the powder, just in a wax form. It’s way more consistent to apply BUT it also can be too sticky if too much is applied, the same way that you can have too much of the powder.
So here’s some spidertack…
todays the day that my cousin placed a huge bet on draftkings, therefore, you're thrown out of the game
Around the 4:00 minute area, before I realized in the bottom right was a hand, I thought it was a fat person's left arm and fatty side/back. 😆
They've been targeting Mets pitchers since 22 NLWC G3 vs Padres
Trevor, I’m a big fan of the channel and I was wondering if you had an address to send baseball cards to get signed TTM. If not that’s fine, keep up the great work 👍
I heard somewhere that umpires are instructed to tell players to wash there hand when there to much rosin on there hand and ejecting them when its more sticky than rosin can naturally get.
Its weird to me that the league says the substances are extremely unfair to use but then they give them extremely light punishment. Sticky stuff suspensions should be on par with ped suspensions.
Hi Trevor
Hey
Trevor Bauer had a video on twitter about this and what is and is not legal just going at the mlb
Here's a question. Let's say you are pitching in Texas in July. Sweat as hell. And your use the rosin bag. Wouldn't that be an unavoidable "sticky stuff" situation?
Didn't another guy named Trevor call out major league baseball on this rosin issue? Rumor has it that this caused major alienation by Manfred and the executive against Trevor which is contributing to his current inability to get back to MLB now.
Nope his inability to make it back to the league has to do with his immaturity and childish behavior that makes him a alienating person to have in a clubhouse. He was also disingenuous about his concerns with it considering the only guy he was going after was the guy he had beef with in college.
If every player- be it a pitcher or outfielder- if they all agree that the brand new balls have a sheen, they are too clean, they’re pearls…why don’t they send them to the clubhouse without that sheen? You’re telling me in 2024 we can’t ship balls out that don’t have that texture? A sport that generates $4,000,000,000 in revenue a year can’t run the leather through some P2500 sandpaper before they are stitched? Why the hell we relying on batboys and ballboys rubbing mud on baseballs? There’s hundreds of different textures to leather. Some are shiny, some are suede. We can’t find a compromise?
My opinion let the pitcher use what he wants sticky or not cause I wanna see nasty pitches is it really going to change the game that much if they pitch to their full potential
How about stick the ball to the pitcher's fingers and he holds it upside down, if it sticks longer than a second after he let's go, it's too sticky. Then it's at least not subjective...
I’d probably adjust those parameters a little bit, but a test of some sort is better than the nothing we have now.
If if if
If if if if if if if
Can’t have a subjective opinion ban a guy for 10 games. We can test for just about anything do it.
Okay, I got a lot of thoughts about the sticky stuff situation.
First of all, preferably the balls come pre-tacked by a machine that evenly tacks the balls instead of being done by hand. MLB is responsible for the baseballs anyway and in literally every other industry/organization they use their vertical integration to HELP their product. But I guess a whole bunch of millionaires and billionaires are to cheap to invest upfront.
That means onto option 2. Continue with what they are doing now, but actually have a procedure.
1) Umpires check the closers hand as they come in.
2) If its to sticky, they make them go and wash their hand. If the pitcher returns with their hand being sticky, they can't pitch for that game.
3) The umpires collect the player's gloves, caps, and etc and sent them to MLBs labs to get tested.
4) Meanwhile, the MLB offices the next morning look into the offending players spin rate throughout the year. If its alarmingly up, they are put on probation until the lab results come back. If it's normal, they can continue to pitch until the lab results come back.
5) If the lab results come back negative, the pitcher. If the lab results come back positive, they receive that ten day suspension.
Lol the chat ,shows how immature th people who type on it are.
Mlb is so bad at this and the suspension on top of ejection is bonkers!! If a pitcher always tried to be as sticky as when they got ejected then they’d never pitch in a game again (ik it varies per ump cuz wtf). So that should be enough to stop guys from repeating so but actually no we’re gonna add 10 GAMES??? For something that can MAYBE be allowed to be washed off?? 🤯
Super interesting video but all I came away with was Trevor used spider tack… I’ll be posting out-of-context clips and fake quotes all over the interwebs good day Sir.
Can you un retire and come to Baltimore, please?
On the way out to the field, you should not be that tacky. Leaving the field with sweat, dirt, and rosin I can understand some tacky.
Honestly why do the rules have to be about how sticky your hand is? If it's by judgement regardless can't they just make the rules, "you're ejected if we reasonably believe you're using banned substances"? Stuff like rosin and sweat can be used to make your hands sticky, and that's supposed to be legal, right? So why are we measuring by how sticky your hands are?
Because it’s the best way they have at the moment. I think they need a device that measures stickiness
@@TrevorMayBaseball Their lips?
I will show myself out.
Ok maybe there's ik thers difference between high-school baseballs and mlb balls when it come to hitting but I have a hard time believing the mlb balls are hard to grip I never had a problem with grip when it comes to pitching through high-school ( which btw went to the same one as trevor. Idk about what he thinks but I thought our coaches were huge a holes )
Haha, I also never had a problem with the Diamond balls and their 1/2 inch seams. Trust me on this one fellow Hilander.
@TrevorMayBaseball huh didnt know they had different seams I always thought the difference was a softer core and not as tightly wrapped as mlb balls
I know why, league is mad we complained about Musgrove in the playoffs don’t you think Trevor?
That was embarrassing enough for the Mets organization on its own.
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The Scherzer one was really stupid. The ump told him to wash his hands off with alcohol. You know, the thing that gets sticky after sitting
They need to SWITCH to the Japan league Baseball! ESPECIALLY the balls that were made for the 2020 Olympics in Japan, and EVERYONE (pitchers and hitters) will be HAPPY!!!
Dirt, ros, sunscreen, sweat. I can get sticky. Are umps trained in this? Your hurting players careers over a guess from untrained umpires
Rawlings really needs to give up its obsession holding onto its "tradition" making baseball. Just don't make balls slippery, and half the problem is solved.