When I was in high school in the mid-Sixties our drama teacher put on "The Bad Seed" for our annual school play. There was a very tiny fellow student who played Rhoda beautifully. Our teacher really disliked the way Hollywood ended the film. He kept the original dark, dark ending. I always admired him for it.
The Bad Seed is one of my all-time favorite movies, up to the ending. I don't mind the curtain call, but the ending just makes me shake my head. I do also enjoy the 1985 made for TV remake mostly because it has the original ending. Also, it has Lynn Redgrave who pushes all my buttons and really chews the scenery. Not as good as the original, but a decent remake.
My mom was terrified by little Patty in The Bad Seed when she was young. Did not realize it was a play previously, but now I want to look into that. The film is fantastic and so entertaining. Makes sense that they were so well rehearsed, if most carried over from the stage. The Terrifier franchise had me from the get go, especially for Art the Clown. It is more like the 90s version of extreme horror comedy. The Substance gave me similar 90s genre feels.
This was our Little Pattie ua-cam.com/video/Gt3RVn3_HZ4/v-deo.htmlsi=CEKgjkq0O7pLQtwK I just saw Coralie Fargeat's previous movie before The Substance, Revenge. It's incredibly good.
The Bad Seed is a great rainy afternoon movie, which is how first saw it. I remember having massive deja vu in the early 90's with The Good Son, which steals heavily from The Bad Seed.
Been meaning to see The Bad Seed, really should get to it. Haven't dived into Terrifier as of yet. I will at some point. Horror does often reflect the anxieties of their times. Hence all the social media/new tech horror of recent years. Just wanted to take a moment to say thanks for responding to my (& all of our) comments every time. Very rarely does a channel operator ever do that in my experience. Really appreciated.
I live in New York. The state motto is "Excelsior." The word is also on the current automobile license plates. Whenever I see that word I think of "The Bad Seed."
@@terrytalksmovies New York has pollution laws that restrict the burning of Handymen. The state of Nevada might allow it at the Burning Man festival held in Black Rock City, Nevada. /S 😉
The bad gene skipped a generation but came back in a sweet little girl. “Bad Seed” (1956) and “House of Wax” (1953) were the two earliest horror movies I recall watching as a kid in the late 1960s. Recently, I watched both for Halloween Month and they hold up very well. The month isn’t over yet and I have the two best horror movies of all-time (IMO) to watch: “The Exorcist: Extended Director’s Cut” (1973) and “The Shining” (1980).
@@terrytalksmovies Absolutely! To each their own. That decade from 1973 to 1982 brought out many different sub-genres of horror movies and since then it has become more of sequels, remakes and gorefests. My favorite decade of horror movies: - The Exorcist (1973) - The Wicker Man (1973) - Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974) - Jaws (1975) - Carrie (1976) - The Omen (1976) - Suspiria (1977) - Halloween (1978) - Dawn of the Dead (1978) - Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) - Alien (1979) - The Shining (1980) - An American Werewolf in London (1981) - The Thing (1982)
A friend of mine was an actor and the last role he played was Leroy, the janitor. His off-stage screams as he burned to death were disturbing! The movie had to change the ending of book and play because "Code" forbade a villain go unpunished.
I do remember seeing 'The Bad Seed' on Bill Collins' late-night show. I remember Bill giving lots of caveats before letting it run but I bet it was 'modified for tv' - something I used to roll my eyes at back then. I liked it but then 'Uncle Bill' always got you interested in whatever he was showing, such was his infectious enthusiasm. Art always reflects the era in which it was made. I had a workmate who used to work as a 'birthday party clown' on the side. His business, or so he claimed, was virtually destroyed when 'It' came out with Tim Curry. I love it when arrogant, multi-million-dollar Hollywood has to eat humble pie served up by the likes of Damien Leone. Have an awesome week Terry.
ught a very young age, pre-adolescence, I don't think my parents knew about the book and there was no banning of any books. I was drawn to ghost stories, etc at a young age. I haven't seen the movie though. I looked for "All Hallows Eve" and found it but when I finished I thought "Wait a minute, where's Art the clown?" I then discovered there are a few movies with this title. Finally I found it on Tubi and hope to watch it soon.. There have been a few movies since The Bad Seed with children as monsters, there was even a Twilight episode of one.
The Bad Seed. Terrifier (The ART of the CLOWN?). The Apprentice. All these seem to portray someone well known in the USA. We seem to be living in a horror movie.
I've only seen the first Terrifier (which I did just the other day), but it got me interested in watching the sequels at some point. Thornton's physicality is what makes Art work for me; he gets a surprising number of things stuck in him in Terrifier and he never makes a sound, which is even creepier than him just not saying anything. I think if it weren't for him I would've been a lot less interested in it.
I love 'The Bad Seed', and have seen it several times. The ending, is, as some people say, 'cringe'. The hospital scene is exactly where it should end. I have always, since I was a kid, detested clowns. Not funny, I've never 'got' them, - I probably suffer from 'Coulrophobia' and, although the 'Terrifier' movies sound interesting, I won't be watching them. No, sir. Cheers, Terry. 👍👍👍
I think I'll pass on The Terrifier genre. You have a point that Horror movies reflect the time they're in. Almost all movies reflect their times. With The Bad Seed the ending and final credits may be more influened by the movie going public than the Hays Code. A mid-'50s audience probably would have been turned off had it ended where the book did. Granted they could have done a lot better with the ending. The end titles, I could see a 1956 adult audience thinking that was long overdue. The Bad Seed brings to mind an Australian film I saw only once, not a horror film. It's circa 1980 I believe. It's about a family with a special needs boy whose father is a naval officer. The father is detached so the mother is attempting the child rearing. The boy is approaching the age where the mother won't be able to physically control him.
Not sure which movie that is. Passing on the Terrifier movies is a legitimate choice. They're not for everyone and that's cool. I feel the same way about Mamma Mia. 😀
@@terrytalksmovies Actually, the ABV of the alcohol used to fuel the V2 rocket was only 75%, so 95% Polish Pure Spirit would have been too potent to use as rocket fuel. 🫨
I don't want to get political so I'll just say I think that the Bad Seed was really just a masterpiece because there are people out there like that one of them, you know is trying to be voted into office again. Lol thank you!
The “Terrifier” movies are not up my alley at all but I wonder if “Art the Clown” was inspired by the notorious American serial killer John Wayne Gacy (33+ victims). He was known as the “Killer Clown” for his performances as a clown.
I have found my own limits. Not to what I can stand, but to what I enjoy watching. It is after all just a movie and no real person was frozen and hammered. But I find that I just do not enjoy this kind of movie and I end up feeling bad about it long after. So something like Terrifier is simply not on my lists. I would much rather watch an old monster movie 🙂
Terrifier is not for me. I just have no interest in gore/slasher/torcher stuff. Plus I'm a wimp who empathizes too deeply with even fictional characters. However, I do need to watch _The Bad Seed_ again. I remember watching it a couple of times on TV in the 1960s. Even as a boy I recognized that the movie was a cut above other tragedies I had seen. (Back then, we referred to such moves as tragedies, not horror.)
As far as traditional critics. Do you have only to watch the Cisco and Ebert review if John carpenters thing. You can tell in the inter view that there was a pressure coming from somewhere. And if you look at Cisco’s face while Roger É is trashing the movie. To tell his heart was not into the narrative they were pressing. Tv shows were especially being hit from both sides with net works and sponsees putting that we don’t want our brand connected with such despicable blah blah blah
When I was in high school in the mid-Sixties our drama teacher put on "The Bad Seed" for our annual school play. There was a very tiny fellow student who played Rhoda beautifully. Our teacher really disliked the way Hollywood ended the film. He kept the original dark, dark ending. I always admired him for it.
The OG ending is the legit one. The tacked on endings are Hollywood gatekeeping.
@@terrytalksmovies They should brought Terry Gilliam aboard to start another "Please release my movie" campaign!
The monsters in my life have always been real human beings.
Which is why horror movies didn't scare me much as a child.
@@terrytalksmovies they definitely don't scare me now. I've not seen a scary movie in decades.
The Bad Seed is one of my all-time favorite movies, up to the ending. I don't mind the curtain call, but the ending just makes me shake my head. I do also enjoy the 1985 made for TV remake mostly because it has the original ending. Also, it has Lynn Redgrave who pushes all my buttons and really chews the scenery. Not as good as the original, but a decent remake.
The TV remake didn't hit for me. The Broadway cast in the original had done the roles hundreds of times. It shows.
My mom was terrified by little Patty in The Bad Seed when she was young. Did not realize it was a play previously, but now I want to look into that. The film is fantastic and so entertaining. Makes sense that they were so well rehearsed, if most carried over from the stage. The Terrifier franchise had me from the get go, especially for Art the Clown. It is more like the 90s version of extreme horror comedy. The Substance gave me similar 90s genre feels.
This was our Little Pattie ua-cam.com/video/Gt3RVn3_HZ4/v-deo.htmlsi=CEKgjkq0O7pLQtwK
I just saw Coralie Fargeat's previous movie before The Substance, Revenge. It's incredibly good.
The Bad Seed is a great rainy afternoon movie, which is how first saw it. I remember having massive deja vu in the early 90's with The Good Son, which steals heavily from The Bad Seed.
The Good Son didn't hit anywhere near as hard as The Bad Seed. It struck at exactly the right cultural moment to really work.
@terrytalksmovies I went to the theater to see it, and was 30 mins, then boredom set in. 100% on point, Terry !
Been meaning to see The Bad Seed, really should get to it. Haven't dived into Terrifier as of yet. I will at some point. Horror does often reflect the anxieties of their times. Hence all the social media/new tech horror of recent years. Just wanted to take a moment to say thanks for responding to my (& all of our) comments every time. Very rarely does a channel operator ever do that in my experience. Really appreciated.
It may get to the stage where I can't reply to all comments, just because of sheer numbers, but while I can, I will.
I live in New York. The state motto is "Excelsior." The word is also on the current automobile license plates.
Whenever I see that word I think of "The Bad Seed."
And burning handymen!
@@terrytalksmovies New York has pollution laws that restrict the burning of Handymen. The state of Nevada might allow it at the Burning Man festival held in Black Rock City, Nevada. /S 😉
The bad gene skipped a generation but came back in a sweet little girl. “Bad Seed” (1956) and “House of Wax” (1953) were the two earliest horror movies I recall watching as a kid in the late 1960s. Recently, I watched both for Halloween Month and they hold up very well. The month isn’t over yet and I have the two best horror movies of all-time (IMO) to watch: “The Exorcist: Extended Director’s Cut” (1973) and “The Shining” (1980).
I'm an outlier with horror, I like the quirkier non-studio ones much better.
@@terrytalksmovies
Absolutely! To each their own.
That decade from 1973 to 1982 brought out many different sub-genres of horror movies and since then it has become more of sequels, remakes and gorefests.
My favorite decade of horror movies:
- The Exorcist (1973)
- The Wicker Man (1973)
- Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)
- Jaws (1975)
- Carrie (1976)
- The Omen (1976)
- Suspiria (1977)
- Halloween (1978)
- Dawn of the Dead (1978)
- Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
- Alien (1979)
- The Shining (1980)
- An American Werewolf in London (1981)
- The Thing (1982)
A friend of mine was an actor and the last role he played was Leroy, the janitor. His off-stage screams as he burned to death were disturbing! The movie had to change the ending of book and play because "Code" forbade a villain go unpunished.
I mentioned that in the video. Leroy's death really works in the movie even though you don't see it.
I do remember seeing 'The Bad Seed' on Bill Collins' late-night show. I remember Bill giving lots of caveats before letting it run but I bet it was 'modified for tv' - something I used to roll my eyes at back then. I liked it but then 'Uncle Bill' always got you interested in whatever he was showing, such was his infectious enthusiasm. Art always reflects the era in which it was made. I had a workmate who used to work as a 'birthday party clown' on the side. His business, or so he claimed, was virtually destroyed when 'It' came out with Tim Curry. I love it when arrogant, multi-million-dollar Hollywood has to eat humble pie served up by the likes of Damien Leone. Have an awesome week Terry.
Thanks, Peter. Leone has a unique vision and I like that he's staying true to it, even though it's not for everyone. That success is amazing.
In the original, not only does she live, she has already chosen her next victim.
If you end the movie at the hospital scene, all of that is in the script.
Great review Terry. Thankyou 👌
You're welcome! 😀
So love your channel mate, we discover, revisit and learn stuff about loads of great movies thanks to your good self!!!💚
My pleasure. I'm glad you dig the channel!
ught a very young age, pre-adolescence, I don't think my parents knew about the book and there was no banning of any books. I was drawn to ghost stories, etc at a young age. I haven't seen the movie though. I looked for "All Hallows Eve" and found it but when I finished I thought "Wait a minute, where's Art the clown?" I then discovered there are a few movies with this title. Finally I found it on Tubi and hope to watch it soon.. There have been a few movies since The Bad Seed with children as monsters, there was even a Twilight episode of one.
Something happened to my text and the beginning was cut off: "I read "The Bad Seed" at a very young age...
Monster children always hits with horror audiences if it's done right.
The Bad Seed. Terrifier (The ART of the CLOWN?). The Apprentice.
All these seem to portray someone well known in the USA. We seem to be living in a horror movie.
The parallels are valid.
I've only seen the first Terrifier (which I did just the other day), but it got me interested in watching the sequels at some point. Thornton's physicality is what makes Art work for me; he gets a surprising number of things stuck in him in Terrifier and he never makes a sound, which is even creepier than him just not saying anything. I think if it weren't for him I would've been a lot less interested in it.
Art the Clown is an extraordinary creation. A lethal clown who clowns for his own amusement, not that of the people around him.
For me, it's a YES to The Bad Seed and a NO to any of The Terrifier movies. As ever, though it's great to hear of them.
Thanks Brett. 🙂
Consider, Village of the Damned.
I covered the two Damned movies in an early video.😀
@@terrytalksmovies Aha OK, "Who can Kill a Child? 1976. Strange one from Spain?
I love 'The Bad Seed', and have seen it several times. The ending, is, as some people say, 'cringe'. The hospital scene is exactly where it should end.
I have always, since I was a kid, detested clowns. Not funny, I've never 'got' them, - I probably suffer from 'Coulrophobia' and, although the 'Terrifier' movies sound interesting, I won't be watching them. No, sir.
Cheers, Terry.
👍👍👍
Thanks, Brian. Like I said, the Terrifier movies aren't for everyone.
I dislike clowns too. Horrible things!
I think I'll pass on The Terrifier genre. You have a point that Horror movies reflect the time they're in. Almost all movies reflect their times. With The Bad Seed the ending and final credits may be more influened by the movie going public than the Hays Code. A mid-'50s audience probably would have been turned off had it ended where the book did. Granted they could have done a lot better with the ending. The end titles, I could see a 1956 adult audience thinking that was long overdue. The Bad Seed brings to mind an Australian film I saw only once, not a horror film. It's circa 1980 I believe. It's about a family with a special needs boy whose father is a naval officer. The father is detached so the mother is attempting the child rearing. The boy is approaching the age where the mother won't be able to physically control him.
Not sure which movie that is.
Passing on the Terrifier movies is a legitimate choice. They're not for everyone and that's cool. I feel the same way about Mamma Mia. 😀
🤡😱 "CAUTION! Very high alcohol content. Do not drink undiluted!" Good advice, that. I think I'll stick to cinematic beer and wine. 😁
Polish Pure Spirit is rocket fuel.
@@terrytalksmovies Actually, the ABV of the alcohol used to fuel the V2 rocket was only 75%, so 95% Polish Pure Spirit would have been too potent to use as rocket fuel. 🫨
I prefer to refer to the baby boomers as
“Free world wonders “, or “veterans of the Cold War “.
I don't like people being judgmental about boomers. It's wealthy people who are the issue. Boomers are just the scapegoats for the privileged.
I don't want to get political so I'll just say I think that the Bad Seed was really just a masterpiece because there are people out there like that one of them, you know is trying to be voted into office again. Lol thank you!
You're right, that kind of narcissism is plaguing us from several directions.
The “Terrifier” movies are not up my alley at all but I wonder if “Art the Clown” was inspired by the notorious American serial killer John Wayne Gacy (33+ victims). He was known as the “Killer Clown” for his performances as a clown.
Art is what John Wayne Gacy wished he was. 😀
Your movie buying links are both going to Bad Seed. ;)
Thanks, Steve. Amended.
Hey Terry, what did you think of Smile 2? I thought it was a great flick!
I haven't seen either of them yet, 😀
SMILE was good. I haven’t seen 2 yet, but I did enjoy 1.
I have found my own limits. Not to what I can stand, but to what I enjoy watching. It is after all just a movie and no real person was frozen and hammered. But I find that I just do not enjoy this kind of movie and I end up feeling bad about it long after. So something like Terrifier is simply not on my lists. I would much rather watch an old monster movie 🙂
Fair enough. As I said, it's not for everyone and that's perfectly legit. We each have our limits and comfort areas and it's good to be aware of them.
Terrifier is not for me. I just have no interest in gore/slasher/torcher stuff. Plus I'm a wimp who empathizes too deeply with even fictional characters.
However, I do need to watch _The Bad Seed_ again. I remember watching it a couple of times on TV in the 1960s. Even as a boy I recognized that the movie was a cut above other tragedies I had seen. (Back then, we referred to such moves as tragedies, not horror.)
The Bad Seed definitely holds up.
Yep, not for me at all! Gross 🤢. I’d like to watch THE BAD SEED at some point.
Go for it ! 😀
As far as traditional critics. Do you have only to watch the Cisco and Ebert review if John carpenters thing. You can tell in the inter view that there was a pressure coming from somewhere. And if you look at Cisco’s face while Roger É is trashing the movie. To tell his heart was not into the narrative they were pressing. Tv shows were especially being hit from both sides with net works and sponsees putting that we don’t want our brand connected with such despicable blah blah blah
Some people never adapt to changes in genres, particularly horror cinema.
@@terrytalksmovies horror and super hero movies has never gotten respect. Sci fi on the other hand has