Is This Obsolete For Home Defense?
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Are shotguns obsolete for Home Defense???
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I worked in trauma 15 years and never saw a shotgun victim come in alive. They went straight to the morgue.
my brother, being in the medical field, had access to, autopsy vids, showing victims of multiple different cal. gunshot wounds. hands down, the shotgun wounds were the most devastating.
@@lilfairycupcake if I got time to pick a firearm for home invasion it's a shotgun. There a few pistols scattered around in case I don't have time to be choosy 😂
@@jonathanrichard1919 one of the gun gurus stated that a handgun is nothing more than a momentary tool, used until i can get to my long guns. thats 100% correct, always stuck with me.
@@jonathanrichard1919 another thing to factor into a gunfight, that very few do is noise. being on the receiving end of the blast is much different, than the administering end. the two thing you never forget in a close quarters shootout is the noise, and the sound of bbs/bullets coming in your direction.
Yep. Shotguns are 100% lethal. Said nobody ever, FFS. More likely, those wounded by shotguns receive first aid or perhaps a few pellets picked out.
there's just something about a shotgun that really gets the point across
We keep a double barrel coachgun loaded...
even today with all the latest and greatest firearms out here, looking at the business end of a double barrel screams hurt coming...
@@JohnPublic-dk7zd same, that's my "roll out of bed and grab it fast" gun
Even tho I perfer auto loaders there is just something about the sound a pump makes when being racked. If you were doing something bad it just says "time to go".
That's beacuse it removes the soul straight out of the body. Lol
@mikelalonde6874 Yes it doesn't just make holes, it removes body parts. Devastating at close ranges.
A shotgun is basically a claymore mine that can be reloaded and shouldered
@@LOWKEYDANGER no one taking out a platoon with a shot gun round
Unless it's a Mossberg Shockwave. Then it's kind of hard to shoulder...
59 years old. Avid hunter. Went to a ENT doctor this spring (terrible allergies). After a thorough exam AND a hearing test, he asked me if I shot? “Long guns”. I said well…..ain’t Hickok BUT…fired a few. We then started talking about hunting, NOT RANGE shooting (which I rarely do with “Long Guns”) he said what do you shoot? I replied 7mm, is there anything else? He said, “and you don’t wear ear protection do you”? I’m said, “in my stand? All I need is one shot… maybe 3 lol. Point is, he’s a shooter. He said the blast form a 7mm even once, is enough to damage your hearing. He even knew I was a right handed shooter because your left ear takes the blunt of the trauma. My left ear hearing is way off the chart…bad. Like Hickok, my advice for “young shooters, HUNTERS”. Even a few shots without hearing protection can SEVERELY damage your hearing. Don’t believe me…? Go get a hearing test. I was SHOCKED…. Anyway, for what it’s worth!
Thank you for the helpful advice, sir. I wish you good health.
Already ruined mine when I
forgot my plugs once.
Now I hear WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
every waking hour for the rest
of my life
I found that out shooting a 44 Ruger Super Blackhawk without hearing protection. Once it's gone it already too late. Wear your hearing protection evey gun every time
Remember the "hearing protection act", that was going to help us with that.
Wear hearing protection that kicks in when you fire the weapon but allows you to hear when you are not..
One of my grown sons just left my house on his way to his new hunting (and general “get away) cabin. He is not the gun guy that I am but he has a few rifles and handguns. He stopped by to pick up an all-around recreational, hunting, and home defense firearm. He drove away with a Mossberg 12 gage pump shotgun and a variety of ammunition. Shotgun obsolete - NOT HARDLY!
Jack
That's a great choice for an all-around, multi-purpose practical firearm. Good dad lol. I used a Mossberg 500 for about the last 9 years on patrol as a police officer. Both departments I worked with allowed me the freedom of choice to carry my personal shotgun as long as it was a pump action Mossberg, Remington, or semi-auto Benelli M4/M2 (nobody carried those because they are so expensive, lol). We also had to get qualified for it, and modifications were limited to the external components only. I was always confident in my choice of shotgun. It was only VERY recently that I finally switched to different duty-use AR/Shotguns, and my new shotgun is the exact one Hickok is using in this video (a Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol). But the Mossberg still has a place in my home :)
@@timmattle4730 I have the same Mossberg. If you can score some 8 pellet .00 Federal FlightControl you will be even happier with the groupings. I couldnt find it by individual box so I had to buy a case of 250. Expensive? Yes but on the other hand I wont have to buy shotgun ammo for a long long time.
*12 gauge
I wish my dad was more comfortable around guns
Obsolete? Not no, but hell no.
12 ga. with 000 buckshot. Nine at a time out the barrel.
Close range, home defense; can't be beat.
The most versatile weapon due to the rounds you can put into them. Great for close quarters, depending on barrel length.
@@jackblack3886I prefer #1 myself.
My choice is a double barrel Harpune with 4000 psi cartridges
"Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of sh*t from your opponent and throw that sh*it on the floor" -Clint Smith, Thunder Ranch
Clint is a national treasure.
will defiantly cause major destruction.
Mr. Smith will tell you the
irrefutable truth whether you
want to hear it or not
"at the right range with the right load"...
@@aishefasani5635that’s what she said
If I was defending my country or my ranch or farm, I'd definitely go with a rifle. But for a home or apartment? Shotgun all day.
Yes indeed, most Americans don’t live in a rural area.
@@EricDaMAJ and shotgun pellets won't penetrate walls as seriously, especially if you hit your mark.
@@johncompton-ho1hd Eh they will still penetrate. Check out box of Truth. But like you said shot placement is key.
The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth"
TLDR:Therefore, we must use loads that will STOP bad guys, and this means that they will also penetrate walls. So, be sure you hit the bad guy and do not shoot into walls where loved ones are on the other side.
I'm born and raised in FL, have trained a lot with AR15, Glock 19 and CZ Scorpion. Well, strangely, I now spend a lot of time in Long Island NY. The only weapon I can legally have there is a shotgun. So I went out and got a Beretta 1301 and did a lot of training. I'M A FULL BELIEVER IN SHOTGUNS NOW. The up close stopping power is unmatched and oh by the way, you've got someone out in a getaway car 50 yards away shooting into your house? Well, load a slug and you've got massive accurate stopping power at 50 yards as well.
All true. My experience says that a little practice should put your pratical slug accuracy out to 100 yards. :) (try differnt ammos if needed)
12 g is my home defense go to since I don’t own an AR. Handguns are also ready. 🙏🏼
Ditto
There is no time like the present, especially when ARs can be had for $500 or less from many companies, like PSA. They are often advertised for less than that if you buy the upper and lower separately.
Alot of states have weapons bans already remember not everyone can buy one
@@jeffreywilkey935 We'll see if Massie's bill makes it through and gives them all a bit of reprieve (:
Hand gun for personal defense shot gun for home defense ar for tyrant defense
Couldn't have put it better myself! ⭐️🫡🇺🇲
Exactly
I wish I could agree. But we got a lot of Tyrants and Tyranny and with all the AR platforms it doesn't seem it's done much to stop it. Maybe delay but not stemmed the tide.
Sounds like a plan.
PERFECTLY SAID 👌 👍
My 1301 stands guard by the night stand. Love it.
heck of a choice
Same here.
First tool i grabbed when there was a bump-in-the-night was and will be my fifty year old Remington 870!
As I cop, whenever I went in harm's way, if possible I took Mr. Remington's fine 870 Wingmaster.
Absolutely not my dad had a double barrel 12 gauge from the turn of the century and that was one of the bigger guns I shot first as a young man.I learned from my daddy how to be safe and careful with guns.I believe that that training and knowledge is essential then as it is today
"Are they obsolete?" (Proceeds to obliterate targets). Guess that answers that question. :)
I am a firm supporter of a pump 12 gauge, loade with #4 turkey shot.
The sound of a slide racking on a pump shotgun transcends all races, and is a universal language.
In my younger years, I heard the distinct rack of the slide from an extremely upset farmer from about 8 to 12 yards behind me. Thankfully, he was loaded with rocksalt. However, from my perspective I would have sworn it was a field artillery piece.
And I still swear, I was just holding those watermelons for a friend !
Consider the receiving end. You get to look down the tunnel to Hades. It's a really BIG tunnel. #4 shot will make a hole in a person and most pellets will stay in the house. As noted elsewhere, a significant portion of anatomy will also make a hasty departure. Shotguns are still the boss.
I enjoy your verbiage.
I hate to imagine how loud an AR is in a confined space like a hallway is!
it's brutal
At least you won't hear the police questioning after a defensive shooting 😂
How loud is a lower velocity 300 blackout with suppression.
@@Shadow__133 lol
That's one of my least fav things about most action movies. They will have a 2-3 minute shootout indoors with no ear protection and then have a normal conversation 10 seconds later. Or they will be communicating DURING the gunfire.. that ain't happening ever IRL unless it's sign language, which would still be nearly impossible either your hands are on your weapon or covering your ears because your eardrums are bleeding.
The person on the receiving end will be obsolete. 😊
Well said. One of the best comments.
🫡👍
Real talk!
My grandfather kept one for home defense my father kept one and I keep one.
Wow, Hickok you just kicked a hornets nest. Great topic. I must be "stuck on stupid" because I feel a shotgun will always be the first line in home defense
I don't get the hornet animosity tho. "What's best" might just be personal. Nothing worth fighting over. Best case - they won't have to use it.
At 62 my eyes are not what they used to be ... the street howitzer is my home go to defense device ... 🙏🏻🇺🇸😉👍🏻
10-4 !!!
I asked a young lady at the office to bring me a newspaper.
Then I got a lecture about this generation's advanced technology and how old and obsolete I am. At last she gave me her smartphone.
Anyway.
Spider is dead.
The phone's broken.
Girl's crying.
Great story feel bad for the spider
🤣🤣
@Richard-kd7gm Nope, not me! I have apesh!t arachnophobia, so I get it!
But the young lady, who was being a jerk for calling him old and obsolete, kind of deserved getting back a broken phone with spider guts mashed on it! Cheers! 🍻
I still send telegrams, old ways are the best ways.
Hah! A newspaper? Everybody knows the best way to get your news is from a carrier pigeon.
Nah the ol 590A1 is my go to still to this day, maybe one day a 940, but I love my 590.
Our 590a1s will do the job without fail if we will do!!!
940's jam...better research that choice....590 is good...got one myself
590 A1's are super reliable, It is also my go to home defense firearm of choice.
Yessiree! BTW…have you checked out the M590s?
Yes, the 590s are outstanding! However, the 590a1s are a bit more refined and hearty. You would be well served with either.
Men, I love hickok45's presentations. One of the very best on the planet today.
Very true. an AR fired inside might make you permanently deaf..
Fking 12-gauge shotgun is way louder.
That fancy self defense ammo in your 12ga might do the same...
@@k-tz5jglouder but subsonic. It’s a bigger BOOM but the crack of a supersonic round is fierce. That’s why a bigger .45 is less
Damaging to the ears than a lighter and faster 9MM
@@kbm-zw5jd suppressed rifles firing supersonic ammo are not all that loud.
@@k-tz5jg yeah. Suppressed. Many states don’t allow suppressors at all and those that do it a $200 tax stamp plus $600 or more for the suppressor.
And I’ve fired suppressed AR’s and they aren’t as loud but they’re not the movie quiet people believe them to be.
The 12 gauge shotgun is the most versatile effective weapon within typical shooting ranges. Buckshot for up to 50 yards, slugs out to 100 with a well placed shot. (Smooth bore, not factoring rifled barrel sabots). Simple but darn effective on game animal, or home defense. Long live the shotty!
The important point is that you won't need more than 5 yards if you're using it for home defense so what's the most versatile for short distances? The Shotty❤
I’ll take my 1301-2 in any close quarters defense scenario..a shottie brings the havoc like no other small arms platform.
Unless your home is being invaded by a squadron of baddies I don't see the point to an AR. Shotguns make more sense to me for most home defense situations, especially shorty shotguns like the Shockwave.
I want to get a tokarev tpb12... box magazine, bullpup, about $300...
I love the versatility and power of shotguns. 😊
00 Buckshot= 8X .32~.33" diameter projectiles per trigger pull.
Nothing to sneeze at.
Sure the hearing ringing ears factor of the blast of a rifle compared to the boom slower moving projectiles of a shotgun but the most important factor I think is the fact that you basically either have 9 ( IN DOUBLE OO BUCK) thirty caliber lead or steel balls in a tight pattern coming at you with crazy energy or a huge slug or two. Shotgun always wins in my opinion especially at close distance within a building or property. Shotguns remove limbs from the human body without surgery.
Rock Island VR80 12 G kitted out with AR Magpul toys is my home defense. I love this shotty. Over a thousand cartridges thru it and still amazing.
Absolutely not. Shotguns have superior stopping power to an AR15. If you're in close proximity and you only have a chance to get off a shot or two, then the stopping power and wound size of a shotgun will stop anyone in their tracks. It is likely that an AR15 will as well, of course, but why take the chance? Nothing wrong with an AR15 for sure, but I feel like people who go for that are imagining a situation a lot different from 'home defense', like home defense from a zombie hoard or something, haha. I have a Maverick 88 with a pistol grip and folding stock and I'd take that over an AR15 for home defense any day.
I live in Abq and we’ve had a recent surge in homicides, and one of them was a guy stepping out of his hiuse at 3am to find a group of people breaking into and/or stealing his car, and when he tried to stop them they shot him, many times. They arrested one of them yesterday. He’s 16yo. Which might shock people not from here; there have been about half a dozen homicides where teenagers were responsible.
Normally I would just grab my Glock 20, but if that situation were to happen to me, I might have to use the AR instead. If I had a semi auto shot gun, that would prob be my first choice. But idk if I can wield the mossberg pump quick enough. Another factor to consider is my neighbors; I wouldn’t want to accidentally hurt or kill any of them with the AR. Which actually makes me think the shotgun really is the better choice for that type of situation.
And I definitely don’t want to find out what it’s like to fire an AR inside a house with no hearing protection.
@@jonosterman2878I couldn't hear you over the sound of my cannon loaded in grapeshot...
Everyone knows the AR is a high powered weapon of war that civilians shouldn't be able to own, but it's also too weak to defeat home invaders or deer.
@@ImpCaesarAugustusyour reading comprehension is poor.
@@tricksterjoy9740 You're a douchebag. We all have our burdens in life.
I fell in love with the Mossberg 930 SPX 12 ga Semi Auto, when my Agency sent me to their Armorer School!! What an amazing firearm!! Great video Sir!
Hickok45 stating that a handgun would be his first option caught me off guard, but then I remembered how good he is with one. My takeaway is two things, 1: use what you are proficient with, and 2: for what application ie. in close quarters vs farther distances, stationary vs mobile, capacity vs ballistics, and of course accuracy at different distances. Different tools are better at different things. It all depends.
My experienced army buddy said the same thing about defense in a building. Handgun>Shotgun>Rifle. I think it boils down to mobility and capacity.
@@thruntroll2983 Absolutely agree! I prefer all three… for different applications. They all have strengths and weaknesses. Additionally, everyone is going to be biased based off of what they are most familiar with. Any of the three options are better than nothing.
Given option long gun
I’ve better accuracy long gun. Carbine for close work.
@@davidfielder7939 Absolutely no wrong answer to pistol vs AR vs shotgun. An AR/carbine in the right configuration is great for multi proposed application. Honestly, my personal opinion, I would feel comfortable with any of the three platforms. In home defense applications of 10-20ft any of the three will get the job done. Just some pros and cons to all.
I carried a Rem 870p police 12 gauge for 33 years plus a scoped AR15 when I was a street cop, but I still have my shotgun as a home defense weapon, the variation of ammo types can’t be beat.
I think in house defense a shotgun is great, but I prefer 20 gauge to 12. Less recoil, fewer pellets in 00. But I think number 3 or 4 buckshot is the better choice for 20 gauge for home defense.
I have both. Good choices.
12gauge more ammo choices like low recoil low noise rounds which in some cases can be less than 20gauge.
Anyone who says shotguns are obsolete for home defense has never even fired a shotgun. With buckshot, its like 8-10 9mm pellets flying at 1100 fps and that will destroy whatevers in front of it. Its even worse when using slugs. And even more painful with birdshot.
The only people saying they're obsolete are the zoomer tactards who think if it's not the latest and greatest then it's obsolete.
@@tortol4847 to be fair. A lot of the newer tactical stuff is really cool and effective. But 12 gauge has been around for so long and will continue to be around until energy shotguns become a real thing. It's one of the most effective rounds for anything. From breaching to hunting the largest game, there is nothing a 3 inch 12 gauge can't do.
But you seem to have an excellent head on your shoulders. You don't need this lecture. I apologize if I came across as rude at all.
@@williamthehuntsmanFor sure. Newer stuff is better at a lot of things, but people instantly call something obsolete the moment something comes out that has even the slightest advantage in one area. The people fighting in Ukraine right now definitely love their shotguns just as much as their M4's. Shotguns aren't going anywhere especially with the drone warfare we're seeing.
What people don't think about is the shotgun is a natural gun to point and shoot, as that's how it's used in hunting and sport shooting. Point shots are most likely what you are going to have to use in a real life home defense situation! Your $1,000 1-8 LPVO optic isn't going to do you much good inside your home when you may have 1 second to recognize a threat and engage it with extreme prejudice.
@@williamthehuntsman slugs are like a freight train coming through and a 12 gauge makes around a 3/4" hole going in…
If you let loose with that AR in a home defense situation it's gonna be like "HOW MANY NEIGHBORS HAVE I KILLED" 👎
Absofonicatinglutely, or your kids or spouse on the other side of a drywall armored bedroom wall. Also, the vast majority of middle and lower income homes have very few rooms or hallways more than about forty feet (not yards) from wall to wall. So for that situation, you do not need a long range anything that can reach out 100 yards. For inside most homes 12 gauge birdshot would likely be more than adequate and would probably be rendered non lethal after passing through two layers of drywall, so over penetration would be less of an issue. (I would really like to see some UA-cam penetration tests along those lines.) In an apartment with interior walls common to your neighbors, you absolutely do not want your bullets leaving your domicile. On the other hand, for a ranch, farm or estate home out in the country you might have to fight outside, so a rifle could be indicated. However, the second you go outside of the "protection" of your house to bring the fight to the assailants, your potential legal liability skyrockets. Not to say that you wouldn't be reasonably justified in the right situations, but your self-defense argument is going to be highly scrutinized. You don't want to lose that war.
This is a joke, right?
I can't think of anything better for home defense than a shotgun.
And you can get a wide variety of loads for it to suit any situation.
I have two lights on my shotgun plus a (friggin’) laser (yes, I want to blind them, part of my plan to have an advantage. It’s why police shine their flashlights in your eyes.) My door opens out and is about 18” off the street. I have a motion sensor light at the door. I’m not going outside, but if you attempt to shoot me, just know: once I rack the slide, I’ve got 1 buckshot chambered, 7, in the tube, 5 on the carrier opposite the ejection port and 5 slugs on the stock for backup just in case. The advice of an LEO, that I respect, was ammo not stored on the gun won’t be with you when needed - nobody stops to fill their pockets with ammo, even if they have pants on. Sorry for the lengthy response, but much thought has gone into my home defense PLAN - it’s more than just owning a firearm.
I appreciated the Dr. Evil reference. 😆 But he actually uses the term "Frickin"
@@BartSparrow123 it all depends on your accentl
cool so window and ceiling approach it is
Totally agree I got turned onto Velcro shotgun cards awhile back. I have 5 in the tube, 5 on the receiver and 10 on the butstock mix between buckshot, slugs and birdshot so I always have the option for the best
How about a bandolier? Keep it next to the shotgun, takes two seconds to throw over your shoulder, keeps all that extra bulk off the gun.
Firearms change, but home invasion & home defense hasn't changed all that much. What was once applicable is likely still applicable.
Exactly, we know what works, and you can start with the salt round, move to birdshot, buckshot then Buck and ball.... the choices are Unlimited
People love arguing over details. What matters is that you have a firearm that you can get to in time and that you know how to use it.
Shot gun,rifle,4 wheel- drive,countryboy can survive.
I've shot an M16 in a confined space with no hearing protection and the concussion is intense. As you say, I don't know if a shotgun would be any better. Headphones with the amplifiers might be a good idea next to your weapon.
Been doubled up on earpro at an indoor range with partitioned booths next to a guy shooting 12ga 00 buck. Had to step away b/c how disorienting it was. It sucked.
@@CashGravel Most 12 ga rounds are hypersonic, unless downloaded to be subsonic.
@@dashcammer4322No offense, but a fired 12 gauge round goes supersonic (exceeding Mach 1), not hypersonic (exceeding Mach 5). 🇺🇸
@@tommyrq180 The sound level wouldn't differ. Sonic boom is sonic boom.
@@dashcammer4322 Yes, but I raised your IQ to 85.
Hooray, Hickok45 is back in my feed!!! 🎉
Firefly, a science fiction series, uses high tech weapons for the government troops, but the ordinary folks use pistols (even revolvers) rifles and shotguns.
People who have never seen what 8-9 pellets of 00 buck does to the human body say shotguns are outdated or inefficient. I am not one of those people
Once negligently had my ear protection off while a 357 revolver was fired near me in an indoor range. I’ll never forget it. I was literally stunned. Was lead outside, couldn’t hear for like 15 minutes and felt nauseous. Ears rang for a day or more. It was horrible. Hear me out, this would be my home defense choice: A Ruger LC Carbine in 45Acp. Here’s why:
1. The noise, it’s a subsonic round.. and even quieter in a long gun. You still need ear pro at the range but in a pinch it’s best you’ll get. Don’t even need a suppressor.
2. A big heavy slow bullet is perfect for short range home defense, Particularly a hollow point if you worried about penetration.
3. More power than a 9mm, and the carbine form factor negates the extra recoil some dislike in a 45 handgun.
4. Plenty of capacity. Also since this is a carbine that accept magazines through the grip, it’s short.. almost like a halfway bullpup. Another reason it’s perfect for close home defense.
Perfect.
But shotgun good too if you can deal with the recoil.
The shotgun is the superior firearm for defense of the home.
Is it though? depends on your house layout and if you have other people in the house. I can get defensive ammo for the AR-15 that will lose energy quickly if the round hits drywall. I don't know of any such ammo for a shotgun. The way my house is laid out I probably would not fire a shotgun. Once the kids move out finally... then it won't be an issue.
@@rudder727 The round you seek for a shotgun is heavy birdshot or number four buckshot.
I heard a ballistics video say one twelve gauge shot is the equivalent energy of nine 9mm’s hitting at once. Pretty powerful!
An AR-type isn't high on my list of home defense implements. But that's just me. If I had time to grab a "long gun" it would be a 12-gauge.
When I bought a home, I bought a 12 gauge pump. It's what you were supposed to do. Shotguns are generally cheap. That is their main selling point. An AR has higher capabilities by many measures and now that I can afford one, that is what sits by the bed.
The Ford Vs Chevy, Mac vs PC and shotgun vs AR in home defense debates will go on and on and everyone has their lists of pros and cons. It’s my belief the Shotgun is the better all around home defense weapon for primarily two reasons. I challenge anyone to jump up at 0300 hours or so and test your vision aiming anything from a sound sleep in a low light or dark house and think about how accurate your shot placement would be. Second to me is the concern where those .556 rounds are ending up after going through interior and exterior walls. Frangible rounds might solve some of that problem and I’m aware there are 12 gauge shells that have the potential to do the same thing but in the end I still favor the shotgun in a dense housing tract.
A shotgun will never be obsolete!
He riminds me so much of my uncle in New Mexico! Taught me alot about shooting at 12 years old with everything he had! First time shooting an ar-15 😜
I agree about the blast and concussion. I'm fine with my shotgun for a defensive long gun; #4 buckshot is also my preferred defensive load.
In my opinion, a shotgun with low brass bird shot is the absolute best for home defense if you live in a joined unit (apartment, condo, etc). However, a pistol is always the most reliable because you can wear it on your waistband and have instant access if you need it quickly.
#3 or #4 buckshot in a 12ga. is hard to beat.
Shotguns aren’t obsolete, but a lot of the knowledge base is.
My biggest beef with them is less the platform and more the old folks still preaching Fudd lore that could get somebody killed if taken seriously.
“Just rack the pump and it’ll scare the bad guys off!”
“You don’t even need to aim it, just point in the general direction of the problem and the spread of the shot will at least wing them!”
“It’s so simple a kid can use it, and it’s great to give women with zero firearms experience (nevermind the recoil, or the weird obsession with pistol grip only shotguns).”
“Birdshot won’t overpenetrate and it’ll still hurt the guy!”
All the above has me shaking my head at the utter stupidity I get to hear from old farts that think a brand new gun owner will be immediately effective with a gun they have zero familiarity with, and could be a downright liability if the threat on the other end is willing to use deadly force instead of fleeing. Literally no other type of firearm has this false bravado of “just rack the action and it’ll take care of the problem” compared to the pump shotgun.
Yeah, I agree with you...we keep a double barrel loaded, know it has to be aimed, and make sure it sees the range often enough...we do love the simplicity, a virtue under duress...
not to mention that the battery of arms with a shotgun is highly complex to someone without experience under stress. They might not remember they have to pump the gun, or turn off the safety or if it has one loaded into the tube or not and be stuck with the slide locked up on an empty chamber
@@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929 that is why we use a double barrel, it is extremely simple...our gas operated shotguns in the safe...we recently bought a single shot shotgun, and I might lean toward acquiring a few more...people get crazy when things get crazy, shaking hands and ammo flying, yeah, even a single shotter might be too much...a moment of good, clear thought as valuable as a second firearm when the fur rises...
@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929 that could be said of any weapon platforms. Everyone needs to be intimately familiar with the weapon they choose for self-defense.
@@TheGrizz1717 True, but this is especially true with shotguns. No other platform can have the issue where no matter how many times you run the bolt the gun wont feed a new shell. Or the bolt is closed and you cant cycle the gun. So with shotguns especially not knowing your weapons platform well can be a death trap. But at in home distances there is no better weapon assuming you're not fighting off an entire mob.
One factor that I think is significant is the stigma of an AR-15 if you do have to use one in self defense, especially in some gun-unfriendly states. The shotgun does not have that stigma, and you'll almost certainly not have to fire a second shot.
There is no need for an AR for home defense, unless your home is in Kandahar Afghanistan. Stop trying to find excuses to play soldier.
@@darrtrubb Options are nice to have and shotguns have their limits too
This is america, if he wants a 50 cal for home defense he can. Mind ur own business @@darrtrubb
@@darrtrubb I think a shotgun is the best for home defense, but that doesn't mean AR is not a good choice. I guess you missed the part of the video where he discusses factors like low recoil, mag capacity, accuracy, etc.
@@darrtrubb t. fudd
Can't beat that shotgun!
You are absolutely right. The blast from the ar15 is totally unbearable inside a house. I can attest to this because i once fired a 223 cartridge in the basement just to test. It took me several minutes to recover. I was half knocked out by the blast. Very impressive !
To this day, I still jump like a frightened cat if someone fires one near me at the range! 😂
Thank you Project Farm!
Yes, firing inside a building gives one better perspective of how various firearms differ in a home defense situation. For example I've fired .22lr in my basement (with light ear pro) and it's almost identical to firing outside. Being able to hear is important in a home invasion situation. I'm not going louder than 9mm.
Hickock is my go to bc he actually shoots these guns. On top of that his shooting range acoustics are the loudest of all the other gun experts out there. I hate those other guys demonstrating even a 44 mag sounding like a cap gun.
People talk about “collateral damage” aka accidental injury to loved ones from using a shotgun in a house.
Well, maybe in today’s modern built homes. But I grew up in a home with solid granite walls, so no problemo!
So did it have castle walls as well?
...All i have is a simple maverick 88... but i love it!
16 years in Law Enforcement. My shotgun still rides shotgun and my AR in the tool box.
A good carpenter always has his best tools ready to use. 👍👍👍
I have all three for home defense. Glock 19, Ar15 pistol, and 12 guage
No.
Glad I could help.
Thanks for the thumbs up on Buds. I just recently dealt with them, and it was a great experience.
We keep a coachgun loaded...for 2 shells we don't have to back up from anybody, and if we need more than 1 we are in a scenario where a ma deuce and flamethrower might not be enough...simplicity under duress is a virtue...
556 is loud AF at the range. Inside a house with kids, and then trying to communicate after... 12 g is an excellent choice.
Shotguns in the slide action function are very affordable from older Remington 870, Winchester 1300, Mossberg 500,590,88 models.
No worries about light corrosion, they still function. Ammo is also plentiful and affordable.
The down side is recoil for smaller light weight people and capacity for incidents where multiple people are being engaged.
My issue FOR ME, with an AR (I own one) for home defense is the susceptibility to over penetration.
Exactly. And if you miss, the round will be lethal for 4 blocks. If I lived out on a ranch, sure. But in the suburbs, not very neighborly.
Every single caliber will over penetrate four rooms of drywall. Garand thumb did a video about a year ago. So pick whatever you want they all will go through your house.
I guess range and noise play the biggest factor here. Apartment? Handgun. Detached house? Shotgun. Villa or a home with large garden / land / whatever? AR. As a medieval re-enactor, anyway, I bet on the scare factor of a large battleaxe next to my bed. 😂
Beats using a pointy stick
How to defend yourself....with a banana ! -John Cleese
Not when you out of bullets
@@k-tz5jg spare mags and a backup iron
Add a bayonet.
His thing in the ar15 concussion is exactly why surpressors need to be legal it protects everyones hearing.
A Kentucky long rifle still kills at 800 yards,
crossbows still cut through soft body armor,
swords still dismember,
And a rock upside the head still hurts.
Shotguns still cover hallways during home defense. That will never change.
I’ve been watching your videos for quite some time now. I’ve actually bought a few rifles because of your review of them. You’ve never steered me wrong! From the bottom of my heart, thank you. For everything.
Obsolete? NEVER!
My M500 is my main HD pew.
Mossberg 930 with #4 buck 👍
Bought a 930 based on reviews and price vs Beretta. Jammed multiple times depending on the ammo. Sold it back to the dealer and went with the 1301. Never a jam, never an issue. Eats everything I feed it and asks for more. Hope your 930 keeps working for you but I not comfortable betting my life on it.
@jimp4854 you got a lemon. I've put thousands of bird, buck, and slug shells through mine and can count failures on one hand. But im glad you got rid of it and found something reliable for you. That's the most important thing in a gun.
Yeah, left a sour taste my mouth…glad yours is up to the task.
I have long been convinced that the loudest voices saying that AR15s are the best home defense weapon are the people selling AR15s or AR15 parts. AR15s are a wonderful jack of all trades type guns, but I would not choose one for home defense. I would much rather have a purpose built weapon.
Like a 14" 7.62x51 SBR
People who had ARs/M4s as duty weapons and who are intimately familiar with them are big advocates for them also because they are so comfortable with them. Others know the limitations of the ammunition. They aren’t good at stopping things fast
@@dashcammer4322 300bo with subsonic ammo and a can.
Home defense? CQB? Shotguns do a lot.
Anyone that values the second amendment, freedom, and the American dream needs to register to vote and vote this November. I watched a video on a 2A friendly channel that suggested that most gun owners are not registered to vote and don't vote because thay think their vote won't count. It also suggested that if just 2% of those people registered to vote and voted it would make a huge difference at the polls especially in swing states. If you are not registered to vote and not voting for 2A friendly presidents and politicians then don't complain when our rights are infringed upon. Get out and vote this November and encourage your freinds and family to do the same. I beleive this election is one of the most important elections in history. We need to do the right thing for the sake of future generations to come. 🇺🇸❤️💪
Yes everyone please get out and vote. It's a must. We have to win
Take a friend to register, and to vote. Otherwise he might not bother.
When I was drafted into the Army in 1971 the M16A1 was the standard service rifle. I served 21 years in various jobs. In most, the M16A1 was my TOE assigned weapon. In several staff jobs I was assigned the M1911A1. My only combat service was in Grenada. The M1911A1 was my assigned weapon and I was allowed to take an M16A1 at my request. I was in the last Basic Training Cycle at Fort Lewis Washington to do Bayonet training with the M16A1. I would love to have been present at the meeting where that decision was made. Between 1969 and 1994 millions of Americans were trained to safely use and maintain the M16A1. To graduate Basic Training they had to pass a minimum rifle marksman score. In my world every veteran should be awarded the weapons they served us with as a token of our thanks for their service.
I agree.
590 A-1 with 3” #4 Buck (41 pellets).
EACH trigger pull is MORE than 2 mag dumps out of a double stack handgun!
Wrong house…..Fight OVER!!!!
agreed. I have same, with a long tube, the Magpull stock that will hold 2 shells each side, and I have a side car that carries another 6, so I'm definitely competetive with most EDC pistols... If I run through all those rounds, then well, I guess I'll have to use my sidearm
Exactly, #4 buck is ideal.
I just purchased a Beretta A300 two weeks ago. When I took it out to enjoy for the first time I can honestly say that "obsolete" never crossed my mind. I'm very glad to own mine.
Shotguns are superior for home defense. They make so many different platforms for shotguns now it's hard to not find one that perfectly suits your specific home defense scenario.
My home defense is usually a handgun and I have several scattered about the house because you never know where you may be when something goes down.
That Mossberg 940 Tacticool is badass
If you mean the gun in the video that one is a beretta 1301, 940 is an awesome shotgun too though.
I like that you point out the blast. I always laugh when I watch movies and everyone is shooting ARs with no suppressors or hearing protection, they wouldn’t be able to hear for like weeks
No weapon is ever obsolete, ask anyone who has been hit with a rock.
You are so right about the AR excessive noise. Years ago when I first heard one at an outdoor range about 30 yards from me it really shocked my ears. I thought it was due to my old age but later read about the noise level due to the ballistics engineering of the ammo.
Not obsolete at all. Biggest factor is length of barrel, but also type of ammunition used in it. Go 00 buck, or 1 buck, 4 buck, what size of shot for distance needing to shoot and how close are neighbors
Our coachgun is plenty short enough, and I've been wondering about a recently acquired model 37, whether to trim the barrel, or just leave the big, long thing on the gun...inside the house it would be unwieldy, but I love how it points...we have other weapons staged, the single shotter would just be more option (and in many scenarios adequate, a bad guy would notice that long barrel aimed at them)...I always thought about getting several single shotters, cutting down and staging them around the house, but now with the first one, I am reluctant, lol...
@@JohnPublic-dk7zd remember someone saying the distinctive sound of a pump action racking a round can put the fear of God in a bad guy. Got an 18in barrel on my mossberg 500 with 7 rounds in the tube
I have a Mossberg Shockwave 590S, with a green ring-and-dot laser and a weapon light mounted on it, and since it's the 14" model with the short mag I keep it loaded with eight #4 buckshot mini shells. I consider it perfectly adequate for home use.
Paw Paws old double barrel 12 gauge still close by.
I totally agree. My indoor load is turkey bb then buckshot. Great review
The shotgun will always be the home defense weapon.
Hickok is far from human…. Lol
Ask yourself what you would rather face, a scared person with an AR or a scared person with a shot gun loaded with 00. Exactly!
I agree 100% the shotgun is versatile and it is a deadly powerful weapon. It is also my number one go to long gun