Rugby going behind a pay wall is what killed it in Australia. Super Rugby was very popular and well attended until it went completely behind a pay wall with no free to air viewing which means kids don't get to watch it growing up and therefore have no interest in following it when they get older. If you look at cricket now it is slowly going the way of rugby as it had started moving behind a pay wall, and the ALeague went behind the pay wall and killed themselves also. Afl and Nrl maintain their free to air football. I remember watching Sydney club rugby on the ABC Saturday afternoons where did that go?
I watched the hour long version of this chat. It was good BUT failed to address what I believe is the single biggest issue for Rugby Union in Australia. Have you ever heard the term "Out of sight, out of mind"? or, for Mark's sake - "Location, location, location". The PAYWALL is the noose around Rugby Unions neck. I grew up in NZ so essentially grew up with Union. I have lived in NZ and Aus back n forth for more than 30 years. For the last 13yrs I have lived in Australia. I don't watch Union because I don't have Stan. So League sufficed and now I don't know anything that's doing in Union. Don't know the players, don't know how well the teams are performing, don't know any recent rule changes - because I never see the game. RA needs to cut an almost giveaway deal with free to air, could even be on multiple channels. They need to have additional programming included that is supplementary to the actual games. Make celebrities out of some players by having them appear in humanising programming, like guest appearances on Travel guides, Ninja warrior, or even an RA show that tourists players around the country & the pacific. Why do we make influencers & celebs out of everyday people on The Block, or MAFS? Should be investing in the Rizz of these elite sportsmen! It's an investment in getting eyeballs & attachment from the public. Need a CEO that can lead & direct a fundamental shift in how the sport is presented. Phil Waugh's not the guy.
I’ve said it for years - Super Rugby structurally has been like a cancer on Rugby in Australia. So many issues, but in brief: - Limited access: The tournament has always been almost entirely on Pay TV, which even at its peak was only reaching 30% of households. With streaming, it’s fractured further. - Limited prime time content: By splitting Super Rugby across South Africa, Australia and New Zealand for the majority of its history, the game only ever had 2 days of prime time content, with the rest of it on in the middle of the night. - Local tribalism: by opting originally for effectively a state based team footprint, Australia denied itself the sort of cross town rivalries that are the bread and butter of competitions like the AFL and NRL. The rivalries have always been far more remote in Super Rugby and whilst there was a period when Tahs-Reds games had a genuine atmosphere to them, the rivalries lack the bitterness and emotion of those more local ones in the NRL and AFL. Finally, there’s the bad investment decisions made by RA and the slow hollowing out of Rugby’s talent base by the AFL and NRL. Rugby launched a war with the NRL for talent that it could neither afford nor justify even on a basic ROI basis, and thus it allowed its own grass roots to falter. In the mean time, the AFL directly targeted Rugby’s nurseries in the GPS system, and as Hoiles has said it has siphoned off a lot of the taller players that would suit the lock position. Then of course there’s the separate but related matter of how much World Rugby has undermined the spectacle of Rugby by turning every match into a never ending committee of officials who have the freedom to seemingly pull up random and often innocuous seeming events from several phases back for what looks and feels like selective punishments that break the flow of play and distort the contest - a problem not present in the NRL or AFL. Honestly, I just think that as things stand Rugby is doomed to fail in Australia. It’s competition is too well organised, too wealthy and frankly increasingly look like they have the better product.
lol in 2005 my team i was in was a rugby excellence in year 12. We went to a rugby union competition with the top GPS + under 16 South African team. We were league players and on the way to the competition we were all learning the rules of union, we rocked up in 10 different cars, everyone rocked up in buses and we ended up beating everyone even the top GPS team. And we all wondered how is this possible, the quality and softness of those GPS players were very obvious. The ambulance was coming on and off the pitch all game, our perception was pretty obvious even as kids.
The paradox of the position Aus Rugby finds itself in is that right now they need leaders with the strength and vision to, for example, put all games on free to air tv and find a way to survive financially while interest builds. But they won't because that kind of proposal isn't immediately quantifiable like a contract from Stan is and the doom loop will continue, and all the dorks at RA will look back and wonder how everything imploded.
What we learnt in SA was to let players go abroad. It's done wonders for our talent pool and we don't have to compete financially so players can get top dollar and still rep the national team
South Africa isn’t as competitive a market as Australia for contact football. The NRL and AFL are both bigger and richer competitions than any other single rugby tournament in the world and they compete aggressively for Rugby talent. Australian talent being allowed to go abroad isn’t the issue.
Australia just needs to go back to 3 teams; QLD, NSW and Brumbies. Or do what NZ do and essentially create the partnerships in the clubs that can be used for the international teams. NRL teams will give young talent an opportunity straight out of school. Very few Rugby union clubs can do that, the strength requirement to play in the forwards in union is totally different to league. This definitely contributes to the lack of talent coming through in Australian Super Rugby.
Super rugby didnt take time to establish prestige and identity with their clubs, the only team that has that is the Crusaders, the NFL on top of the separate days to college and hs, turned their teams into stand alone brands,thr uniforms need to stop changing and a culture has to be built around the team and sport, tailgating is also huge in American football culture.
It's been 22 long years since the Bledisloe cup was won by the Wallabies. Hoiles was an outstanding player. The truth is, Union is number 4 in the winter behind AFL; NRL; A league - then Union. League is just smashing Union, and always will in Aus. There is just not enough talent for 5 Teams, and Hoiles knows this to be true. Super Rugby needs to go, South Africa and Argentina have gone and it's obvious NZ need Aus to be strong.
Also why not Australia and NZ and Pacific teams be allowed to play for any team. Coaches can choose played from Australia Pacifica or NZ they can play for any club team.
I reckon we should start looking at domestic club teams. Australia and NZ are using school Boys teams selection.wr Could start looking domestic teams and maybe try to find a new structure or game Plan to play the game with in the international rules.
It's like playing league growing up, the coaches are immature and take it so seriously that it kills the fun in it. Set play this and set play that. Then you try something a little different and they bench you aha.
Drop goal. And it is really weird that league fans continue to bring that up. A drop goal is one of the most exciting aspects of the game imo, and it already happens so incredibly rarely in RU. Union is not league where you have a limited amount of tackles and the opposition has to retreat 10 meters, making drop goals (field goals in league) a very attractive option.
It's growing in Europe. How it's played is not the problem. Change it back to clubs have 8 teams from across the states . Home and away. Then after final have a blues v reds etc. Build domestic
No it doesn’t. Super Rugby is an excellent product. Tries per game never far behind the NRL. One of the issues that Australian rugby fans won’t confront is that they did a lot to bad mouth rugby when their performances went the wrong way from about 2007 onwards. Moaning about scrums, drop goals etc That’s where the passion is in places like South Africa and you don’t see New Zealand or an Ireland moaning about it.
From my observation, Rugby Union doesn't seem to have the same degree of tribalism amongst its fans that the other three footy codes in Australia have and to some extent this is a disadvantage.
It's not really,I watch it because it's on tv and that's the difference. Rugby needs to be in state schools, every sport Australia plays in state schools we're in the top competitions around the world.
ARU only have themselves to blame. I played more union as a kid and they stopped all the pathways out west in Sydney where I lived so I went to league and that's the problem league is pouring money into grassroots and union always thought league would be a feeder competition for union now that has flipped on its head you get more money in NRL then in union.
Some great points touched on but Hoiles. So many issues from the ground up contributing to its current state. Hopefully some positive changes to come in the next 5-10 years.
The main recruitment for Rugby is still the GPS schools, they don’t attract players from a broad enough base, plus the rules and they refs make watching the game painful, when there is less than 40 mins of ball in play over the course of 80 mins its not going to compete with the NRL for speed of action.
Myth. The NRL is more popular because it won the day decades ago in a couple of markets and Australia had little competition in its time zones. It is a culture. Nobody cares that South Africa play physical rugby that relies on the set piece there. It is a culture thing. Rugby has gone backwards in Australia because so much store was placed in Internationals and Bledisloe in particular. Once that went backwards, so did the game.
@@Runboyrun89 to be clear, I’ve been a member of the Brumbies for over 20 yrs now, was at the 2003 and 2004 finals games in Canberra, one one, lost one, 26K people at the 2004 game biggest crowd ever at Canberra Stadium. The whole time Rugby was already behind a PayWall on Fox, which had good coverage and of the games the ARU decision to go to Stan was a killer for access to watching games Stan Sport is $30/month on top of the Stan subscription when in. Get KAYO for the same with a lot more sports coverage than Stan. Having said that, over the last 20yrs Rugby has slowed down and become less interesting to watch both on TV and live, the refs are inconsistent and bad decisions are a common occurrence, the talent pool in Aus is getting smaller as the grass roots shrink the competition from other codes for juniors is real and growing. Wish casting that it will get better is appears to be the go to strategy of the ARU. The Brumbies final this year had 8K spectators the following day the Raiders had 16K for a regular season home game, thats a complete reversal of what it was 20years ago. In the AUS market at least League got better and Rugby at best stayed the same, either way Rugby is well behind its other competitors now.
@@Runboyrun89not a myth. Union has failed to expand beyond its traditional custodians. Migrants, public school kids and working class Australians have always taken to league and Australian Rules Football in healthy numbers - not union. Disputing the monopoly that GPS schools have on the on the sport is denialism.
@@sonofportsmith4435 because they won the day decades ago and have the built up infrastructure to support widescale professionalism. Popularity does not change that much. Australians considering themselves more “sophisticated” for watching more league than other rugby countries are deluded.
@@Runboyrun89 rugby league and Aussie Rules didn’t win the masses over - the union community never invited them until almost a century after the ARL and VFL had established their leagues. Australian Rugby Union’s biggest problem is they never wanted the game to be bigger than themselves, hence no one was invited to the table unless you were “one of us”. Australians don’t think they are more sophisticated for anything. They enjoy the sport(s) that wants them and celebrates them. Being from Darwin, I think the Wallabies have visited us twice in 30 years (for training camps) with not one Super Rugby game having ever been played here. NRL and AFL have been coming here multiple times a year for generations. That’s not a decades-ago issue, that’s today.
French and Japanese and maybe the US league are the only feasible league in the northern hemisphere. The south has Super rugby and it’s not going well. Union is popular globally but it’s not as popular as far as leagues go
Eh no. You can make very good money in the Premiership and the URC. The Premiership salary cap is now $12.4m AUD. They also have one uncapped player they can pay outside of that and the internationals are taking home significant pay packets that gives them discretion to pay elsewhere.
Issue with Australia Rugby its not public like NZ system and league scouter are going into the schools to recruit new players into the clubs. Australia rugby officers need to go into the schools and talk rugby.
Finding rugby union players isn't the issue. Finding fans is the biggest issue especially in Australia due to terrible branding and marketing. When fan-base increases, money comes in. Only way to to bring in fans is by focusing on developing a proper branding and marketing strategy. Super rugby comp itself is a failed brand. When it comes to rugby union around the world, lack of simplicity of the game imposes some challenges to attract club rugby fans compared to NFL, AFL, NRL and Soccer. Union rules must change to the point where the game simpler so more club fans will engage more. Another thing to fix when it comes to club rugby in Australia is Rivalry. There is no city or state based rivalry in Australia when it comes to club rugby union.
The problem is junior rugby is underfunded also afternoon test match footy is rarely a thing these day's... Super rugby is now a joke a few side's are doing ok yet again the time that game's are being played 730pm kick offs in NZ are a problem with very little exposure for children being able to view.. So therefore kids miss out.. Rugby is dying a slow death in Australia and NZ South African super rugby sides are no longer involved so why are the game's still starting late in the day ridiculous.
The problem with Aussie rugby,is the board, And the senior player's who think, they're the start and end of Australia Rugby, there in lies the problem, Dean's got fired, because the player's were to big/ pig headed,then your next coaches,were three Aussie's,then they were goooone,Rennie was next,then gooone,your great redeemer Eddie,nah didn't happen,got even worse, Now Joe,for goodness sake,give these Kiwi guy's a chance,they know a little bit about the game,Rome wasn't built in a day,and Aussie Rugby needs too start at the base, everyone knows that,No solid base,you end up with a weak building, Dean's tried to get Aussie back with a strong school's, clubs, state's,etc that would have gone onto Super Rugby,then test matches, instead he got sacked,and you are where you are, Give Joe a go, keep your board noses out of it,stick to navel gazing, twiddling your thumb's,and your free ticket's to the game's, By the way,Well done against Wales,great Start for Joe and the team, Good luck West island's with your future game's
Come on, cry me a river, Australia had years to address this Union and league problem. Now, there are so many Rugby Union competitions in different countries you can stream and watch.With AFL, they have the money to recruit talent that they need, I have lived in Australia since 88, and I've watched so many Union game from schools, clubs, and national team all over Australia. Yes, in New Zealand you can watch rugby union game from school boy, club and Rep teams all the time when rugby season starts..
“Years to address the union and league problem”? See, this thinking is why the game is all but dead. The problem was never a “union and league one” - it was always much bigger and more complicated, and structurally placing a bet on super rugby was akin to taking a whole lot of steroids in the short term and hoping the heart attack that it would eventually cause would still leave the patient with some life.
That's just the rules,it's not reason why it's failing. How many state schools have rugby in their system? Probably none,that's where the talent is and until it's played in state schools it'll always be a boutique game in Australia
@@Runboyrun89 I spoke from my own perspective watching and playing rugby from the 90s and what I hear a lot of people in western Sydney say. You can defend it all you like but those are the reasons I hear from people as to why they no longer watch rugby and I share the same experience
Comparison to the US networks is harsh, their population and money streams are incomparable to ours. Always complaining and bickering how bad Rugby is here. It's pretty good what we get. The Wallabies will win more games again. Love for money killed sport on many levels. Build up the Shute Shield more, maybe add a few other state teams? NSWRL went to NRL.
This bloke is delusional club rugby is a joke in Australia it's semi pro at best. He can't admit it but NRL is king in Australia now with the rugby codes and union have fucked themselves.
To me it’s all these tackling laws have come into play in rugby union where teams can be handicapped and ruins the game and the chances of that happening is 99% of the time I use to love watching it but that’s my reason why I stopped watching it too many soft rules
Classic Old head mentality. Some tell this guy Grass roots rugby isn't Schutte shield or GPS rugby. It's Club rugby, champ. You go look at Real Grass Roots rugby in Sydney, no ones playing minis rugby. It's halved in in 5 years from what it was. Canterbury Junior Rugby is almost non-existent.
Rugby going behind a pay wall is what killed it in Australia. Super Rugby was very popular and well attended until it went completely behind a pay wall with no free to air viewing which means kids don't get to watch it growing up and therefore have no interest in following it when they get older. If you look at cricket now it is slowly going the way of rugby as it had started moving behind a pay wall, and the ALeague went behind the pay wall and killed themselves also.
Afl and Nrl maintain their free to air football.
I remember watching Sydney club rugby on the ABC Saturday afternoons where did that go?
Yep, a good business will give away a heap of free stuff to create buzz. Then you make your money via merchandise/ corporate boxes/ TV deals etc.
That’s was brilliant. I’m a kiwi and we need Aussie rugby back on track.
I'm an Aussie, and I can tell you you'll be waiting a long time.
I watched the hour long version of this chat. It was good BUT failed to address what I believe is the single biggest issue for Rugby Union in Australia.
Have you ever heard the term "Out of sight, out of mind"? or, for Mark's sake - "Location, location, location".
The PAYWALL is the noose around Rugby Unions neck.
I grew up in NZ so essentially grew up with Union. I have lived in NZ and Aus back n forth for more than 30 years. For the last 13yrs I have lived in Australia. I don't watch Union because I don't have Stan. So League sufficed and now I don't know anything that's doing in Union. Don't know the players, don't know how well the teams are performing, don't know any recent rule changes - because I never see the game.
RA needs to cut an almost giveaway deal with free to air, could even be on multiple channels. They need to have additional programming included that is supplementary to the actual games. Make celebrities out of some players by having them appear in humanising programming, like guest appearances on Travel guides, Ninja warrior, or even an RA show that tourists players around the country & the pacific.
Why do we make influencers & celebs out of everyday people on The Block, or MAFS? Should be investing in the Rizz of these elite sportsmen!
It's an investment in getting eyeballs & attachment from the public.
Need a CEO that can lead & direct a fundamental shift in how the sport is presented. Phil Waugh's not the guy.
Super Rugby is on free to air ,1 game a week . Rates extremely poorly .
@@sportshero5455 One game compared to 6 nrl games a week and AFL games.How can the game grow when you have 10 percent coverage on free tv
Some good calls in here my bro
theres pretty much zero union on free to air in nz
I’ve said it for years - Super Rugby structurally has been like a cancer on Rugby in Australia. So many issues, but in brief:
- Limited access: The tournament has always been almost entirely on Pay TV, which even at its peak was only reaching 30% of households. With streaming, it’s fractured further.
- Limited prime time content: By splitting Super Rugby across South Africa, Australia and New Zealand for the majority of its history, the game only ever had 2 days of prime time content, with the rest of it on in the middle of the night.
- Local tribalism: by opting originally for effectively a state based team footprint, Australia denied itself the sort of cross town rivalries that are the bread and butter of competitions like the AFL and NRL. The rivalries have always been far more remote in Super Rugby and whilst there was a period when Tahs-Reds games had a genuine atmosphere to them, the rivalries lack the bitterness and emotion of those more local ones in the NRL and AFL.
Finally, there’s the bad investment decisions made by RA and the slow hollowing out of Rugby’s talent base by the AFL and NRL. Rugby launched a war with the NRL for talent that it could neither afford nor justify even on a basic ROI basis, and thus it allowed its own grass roots to falter. In the mean time, the AFL directly targeted Rugby’s nurseries in the GPS system, and as Hoiles has said it has siphoned off a lot of the taller players that would suit the lock position.
Then of course there’s the separate but related matter of how much World Rugby has undermined the spectacle of Rugby by turning every match into a never ending committee of officials who have the freedom to seemingly pull up random and often innocuous seeming events from several phases back for what looks and feels like selective punishments that break the flow of play and distort the contest - a problem not present in the NRL or AFL.
Honestly, I just think that as things stand Rugby is doomed to fail in Australia. It’s competition is too well organised, too wealthy and frankly increasingly look like they have the better product.
Let me run rugby,give the figures of the budget to play with and id sink 50% of it into state schools
The Problem with Australian rugby,is it has traditionally been private school , that bone of contention still lingers to this day.
Good point about local games at the same times as super rugby. I often have to choose between watching maitland the wildfires or the tahs.
lol in 2005 my team i was in was a rugby excellence in year 12. We went to a rugby union competition with the top GPS + under 16 South African team. We were league players and on the way to the competition we were all learning the rules of union, we rocked up in 10 different cars, everyone rocked up in buses and we ended up beating everyone even the top GPS team. And we all wondered how is this possible, the quality and softness of those GPS players were very obvious. The ambulance was coming on and off the pitch all game, our perception was pretty obvious even as kids.
And yet those are the competitions that League scouts raid.
You likely played their B teams.
australian rugby needs to build from a grass roots level
Putting all games behind a paywall has killed this sport
The paradox of the position Aus Rugby finds itself in is that right now they need leaders with the strength and vision to, for example, put all games on free to air tv and find a way to survive financially while interest builds. But they won't because that kind of proposal isn't immediately quantifiable like a contract from Stan is and the doom loop will continue, and all the dorks at RA will look back and wonder how everything imploded.
What we learnt in SA was to let players go abroad. It's done wonders for our talent pool and we don't have to compete financially so players can get top dollar and still rep the national team
South Africa isn’t as competitive a market as Australia for contact football. The NRL and AFL are both bigger and richer competitions than any other single rugby tournament in the world and they compete aggressively for Rugby talent. Australian talent being allowed to go abroad isn’t the issue.
Australia just needs to go back to 3 teams; QLD, NSW and Brumbies. Or do what NZ do and essentially create the partnerships in the clubs that can be used for the international teams.
NRL teams will give young talent an opportunity straight out of school. Very few Rugby union clubs can do that, the strength requirement to play in the forwards in union is totally different to league. This definitely contributes to the lack of talent coming through in Australian Super Rugby.
Australia used to be a world Champ and now is a chump in Rugby world!
Good to see the Wallabies get up last night.
Super Rugby needs to be reshaped .💯
Super rugby didnt take time to establish prestige and identity with their clubs, the only team that has that is the Crusaders, the NFL on top of the separate days to college and hs, turned their teams into stand alone brands,thr uniforms need to stop changing and a culture has to be built around the team and sport, tailgating is also huge in American football culture.
The other problem is the elitism of rugby union. Out sydneys west where the best talent pool is there are 3 union teams vs 30 rugby league teams..
Sports is dieing a very slow death in australia ,R.I.P rugby union ,wallabies have been a nation discrace for many years now
The big problem with rugby globally is that it's still a posh game. You have to attend certain schools to get your foot in the door.
It's been 22 long years since the Bledisloe cup was won by the Wallabies. Hoiles was an outstanding player. The truth is, Union is number 4 in the winter behind AFL; NRL; A league - then Union. League is just smashing Union, and always will in Aus. There is just not enough talent for 5 Teams, and Hoiles knows this to be true. Super Rugby needs to go, South Africa and Argentina have gone and it's obvious NZ need Aus to be strong.
Pull out of SR and set up domestic comp with all states involved using existing rugby clubs.
Also why not Australia and NZ and Pacific teams be allowed to play for any team. Coaches can choose played from Australia Pacifica or NZ they can play for any club team.
NZ country that produce the best in the world. Grass root fees to play $0
That's a lie...holy sh!t you couldn't be more wrong
@@jormundgandr88some provinces its free
I reckon we should start looking at domestic club teams. Australia and NZ are using school Boys teams selection.wr Could start looking domestic teams and maybe try to find a new structure or game Plan to play the game with in the international rules.
It's like playing league growing up, the coaches are immature and take it so seriously that it kills the fun in it. Set play this and set play that. Then you try something a little different and they bench you aha.
3 points for a field goal I mean come on.
Drop goal. And it is really weird that league fans continue to bring that up. A drop goal is one of the most exciting aspects of the game imo, and it already happens so incredibly rarely in RU. Union is not league where you have a limited amount of tackles and the opposition has to retreat 10 meters, making drop goals (field goals in league) a very attractive option.
It's growing in Europe. How it's played is not the problem. Change it back to clubs have 8 teams from across the states . Home and away. Then after final have a blues v reds etc. Build domestic
The rule changes have also contributed. Cant watch a game without a yellow card these days..
Defence line needs to go back 5m behind rucks and scrums. Less players on the bench.
No it doesn’t. Super Rugby is an excellent product. Tries per game never far behind the NRL.
One of the issues that Australian rugby fans won’t confront is that they did a lot to bad mouth rugby when their performances went the wrong way from about 2007 onwards.
Moaning about scrums, drop goals etc
That’s where the passion is in places like South Africa and you don’t see New Zealand or an Ireland moaning about it.
Rugby administration in Australia is the problem, not the game.
From my observation, Rugby Union doesn't seem to have the same degree of tribalism amongst its fans that the other three footy codes in Australia have and to some extent this is a disadvantage.
Rugby is stuffy and boring. NRL is a much more attractive watch on TV.
It's not really,I watch it because it's on tv and that's the difference. Rugby needs to be in state schools, every sport Australia plays in state schools we're in the top competitions around the world.
Yeah, run it 4 times, kick an up and under in the 5th, possession changes and repeat the cycle.....so entertaining 😂
ARU only have themselves to blame. I played more union as a kid and they stopped all the pathways out west in Sydney where I lived so I went to league and that's the problem league is pouring money into grassroots and union always thought league would be a feeder competition for union now that has flipped on its head you get more money in NRL then in union.
The women's Rugby have players from Domestic teams and not private schools
Doesn't even say who the guest is
It’s a clip of a longer interview.
Caption.
Stephen Hoyles.
It’s Stirling mortlock
Sounds like a YOU problem , go cry to your mother
Thats not the problem. The rules of the game are. Unintentional acts are leading to red cards now.
Some great points touched on but Hoiles. So many issues from the ground up contributing to its current state. Hopefully some positive changes to come in the next 5-10 years.
The main recruitment for Rugby is still the GPS schools, they don’t attract players from a broad enough base, plus the rules and they refs make watching the game painful, when there is less than 40 mins of ball in play over the course of 80 mins its not going to compete with the NRL for speed of action.
Myth. The NRL is more popular because it won the day decades ago in a couple of markets and Australia had little competition in its time zones. It is a culture.
Nobody cares that South Africa play physical rugby that relies on the set piece there. It is a culture thing.
Rugby has gone backwards in Australia because so much store was placed in Internationals and Bledisloe in particular. Once that went backwards, so did the game.
@@Runboyrun89 to be clear, I’ve been a member of the Brumbies for over 20 yrs now, was at the 2003 and 2004 finals games in Canberra, one one, lost one, 26K people at the 2004 game biggest crowd ever at Canberra Stadium. The whole time Rugby was already behind a PayWall on Fox, which had good coverage and of the games the ARU decision to go to Stan was a killer for access to watching games Stan Sport is $30/month on top of the Stan subscription when in. Get KAYO for the same with a lot more sports coverage than Stan. Having said that, over the last 20yrs Rugby has slowed down and become less interesting to watch both on TV and live, the refs are inconsistent and bad decisions are a common occurrence, the talent pool in Aus is getting smaller as the grass roots shrink the competition from other codes for juniors is real and growing. Wish casting that it will get better is appears to be the go to strategy of the ARU. The Brumbies final this year had 8K spectators the following day the Raiders had 16K for a regular season home game, thats a complete reversal of what it was 20years ago. In the AUS market at least League got better and Rugby at best stayed the same, either way Rugby is well behind its other competitors now.
@@Runboyrun89not a myth. Union has failed to expand beyond its traditional custodians. Migrants, public school kids and working class Australians have always taken to league and Australian Rules Football in healthy numbers - not union. Disputing the monopoly that GPS schools have on the on the sport is denialism.
@@sonofportsmith4435 because they won the day decades ago and have the built up infrastructure to support widescale professionalism. Popularity does not change that much.
Australians considering themselves more “sophisticated” for watching more league than other rugby countries are deluded.
@@Runboyrun89 rugby league and Aussie Rules didn’t win the masses over - the union community never invited them until almost a century after the ARL and VFL had established their leagues. Australian Rugby Union’s biggest problem is they never wanted the game to be bigger than themselves, hence no one was invited to the table unless you were “one of us”.
Australians don’t think they are more sophisticated for anything. They enjoy the sport(s) that wants them and celebrates them.
Being from Darwin, I think the Wallabies have visited us twice in 30 years (for training camps) with not one Super Rugby game having ever been played here. NRL and AFL have been coming here multiple times a year for generations. That’s not a decades-ago issue, that’s today.
French and Japanese and maybe the US league are the only feasible league in the northern hemisphere. The south has Super rugby and it’s not going well. Union is popular globally but it’s not as popular as far as leagues go
Eh no. You can make very good money in the Premiership and the URC.
The Premiership salary cap is now $12.4m AUD. They also have one uncapped player they can pay outside of that and the internationals are taking home significant pay packets that gives them discretion to pay elsewhere.
URC is quite healthy competition actually.
Issue with Australia Rugby its not public like NZ system and league scouter are going into the schools to recruit new players into the clubs. Australia rugby officers need to go into the schools and talk rugby.
Finding rugby union players isn't the issue. Finding fans is the biggest issue especially in Australia due to terrible branding and marketing. When fan-base increases, money comes in. Only way to to bring in fans is by focusing on developing a proper branding and marketing strategy. Super rugby comp itself is a failed brand. When it comes to rugby union around the world, lack of simplicity of the game imposes some challenges to attract club rugby fans compared to NFL, AFL, NRL and Soccer. Union rules must change to the point where the game simpler so more club fans will engage more. Another thing to fix when it comes to club rugby in Australia is Rivalry. There is no city or state based rivalry in Australia when it comes to club rugby union.
No introduction ⛔
The problem is junior rugby is underfunded also afternoon test match footy is rarely a thing these day's...
Super rugby is now a joke a few side's are doing ok yet again the time that game's are being played 730pm kick offs in NZ are a problem with very little exposure for children being able to view..
So therefore kids miss out..
Rugby is dying a slow death in Australia and NZ
South African super rugby sides are no longer involved so why are the game's still starting late in the day ridiculous.
Rugby Union ain’t dying in NZ.
The problem with Aussie rugby,is the board,
And the senior player's who think, they're the start and end of Australia Rugby, there in lies the problem,
Dean's got fired, because the player's were to big/ pig headed,then your next coaches,were three Aussie's,then they were goooone,Rennie was next,then gooone,your great redeemer Eddie,nah didn't happen,got even worse,
Now Joe,for goodness sake,give these Kiwi guy's a chance,they know a little bit about the game,Rome wasn't built in a day,and Aussie Rugby needs too start at the base, everyone knows that,No solid base,you end up with a weak building,
Dean's tried to get Aussie back with a strong school's, clubs, state's,etc that would have gone onto Super Rugby,then test matches, instead he got sacked,and you are where you are,
Give Joe a go, keep your board noses out of it,stick to navel gazing, twiddling your thumb's,and your free ticket's to the game's,
By the way,Well done against Wales,great Start for Joe and the team, Good luck West island's with your future game's
Nothing wrong with Rugby Union around the world
It’s just in Australia and NZ where it has lost its following
Come on, cry me a river, Australia had years to address this Union and league problem. Now, there are so many Rugby Union competitions in different countries you can stream and watch.With AFL, they have the money to recruit
talent that they need, I have lived in Australia since 88, and I've watched so many Union game from schools, clubs, and national team all over Australia. Yes, in New Zealand you can watch rugby union game from school boy, club and Rep teams all the time when rugby season starts..
“Years to address the union and league problem”? See, this thinking is why the game is all but dead. The problem was never a “union and league one” - it was always much bigger and more complicated, and structurally placing a bet on super rugby was akin to taking a whole lot of steroids in the short term and hoping the heart attack that it would eventually cause would still leave the patient with some life.
poor private school boys lol
The cards make it annoying, tmo stopping and analysing everything, lack of tries and too many rolling mauls... Where do i start
That's just the rules,it's not reason why it's failing. How many state schools have rugby in their system? Probably none,that's where the talent is and until it's played in state schools it'll always be a boutique game in Australia
You could say the same thing about wrestling tackling, repetitive kicks etc
Super Rugby gets over 7 tries per game.
@@Runboyrun89 I spoke from my own perspective watching and playing rugby from the 90s and what I hear a lot of people in western Sydney say. You can defend it all you like but those are the reasons I hear from people as to why they no longer watch rugby and I share the same experience
Comparison to the US networks is harsh, their population and money streams are incomparable to ours. Always complaining and bickering how bad Rugby is here. It's pretty good what we get. The Wallabies will win more games again. Love for money killed sport on many levels. Build up the Shute Shield more, maybe add a few other state teams? NSWRL went to NRL.
This bloke is delusional club rugby is a joke in Australia it's semi pro at best. He can't admit it but NRL is king in Australia now with the rugby codes and union have fucked themselves.
To me it’s all these tackling laws have come into play in rugby union where teams can be handicapped and ruins the game and the chances of that happening is 99% of the time I use to love watching it but that’s my reason why I stopped watching it too many soft rules
Union puts no money into Jnr footy. Dumb as fuck.
scrap the super rugby put them into the club competitions
Classic Old head mentality. Some tell this guy Grass roots rugby isn't Schutte shield or GPS rugby. It's Club rugby, champ. You go look at Real Grass Roots rugby in Sydney, no ones playing minis rugby. It's halved in in 5 years from what it was. Canterbury Junior Rugby is almost non-existent.
Its simple, rugby 15 is boring and league is exciting.
Then why is Rugby Union far more popular than league outside of Australia (and PNG)?
stupid 13 man game is league. never should have signed with STAN