Old Timer vs Uncle Henry - Mountain Lion vs Golden Spike
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- The Old Timer Mountain Lion and the Uncle Henry Golden Spike are two very similar knives. Both are a classic hunting knife design with a leather sheath and clip point blade. But I like one just a little better than the other. See if you can guess which one wins.
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I had a Golden Spike YEARS ago that my uncle bought for me around 1979-80. Took care of a lot of rabbits and a few deer until the day I lost. Sat it down to put a rabbit in my hunting jacket, and started walking away. I spent at least a couple hours looking for it as soon as I realized it wasn't in its sheath. I'm 51 now and that memory still crushes me.
Bummer
"Flag on the moon" is the best metric "put down" I've heard. With your permission, I'd like to add it to my arsenal. Good review. Thanks!
+Mark Ashlock I didn't really intend it as a "put down" but, after all the comments I have received from people who are obviously afraid of fractions, I couldn't resist using it. And you don't need my permission. I stole it from James Yeager. It may be in the "public domain"
Own it! Don't apologize. If something is built 16" on center, the metric system doesn't make it any more accurate. It is what it is.
I don't even need to watch the rest of the video, the metric system comment had me ROFL.
Agreed, that was an instant epic classic. Might need to use that one myself as well.
mm are more accurate than fractions, and its better cause you can convert in seconds
Love to get home on Saturday and find a Schrade Saturday video!! Sometimes I think we all get a little carried away with what we ask a knife to do. No insult intended to anyone but they are a cutting tool first and foremost. We're not exploring the frontier, we're not surviving. We're camping, hiking, hunting or fishing and a Schrade or Buck knife will get the job done. IMHO.
Thanks. I appreciate it.
Well said.
flag on the moon. love it! haha
+Michael Powers I borrowed that from James Yeager.
oh you mean when they flew with the guidance computers that did calculations in metric?
Love his car analogy i miss pontiac and firebirds
I've had both knives over the years, both were good.
Lost the Uncle Henry while deer hunting in the mountains, replaced it with the old timer. Mine is carbon steel they haven't changed much except the steel.
Both are easy handling.
I watch these knife reviews mainly because you're frequently amusing. I like your irreverent attitude towards things. The "flag on the moon" thing is wonderful!
Brian, I've been using the Uncle Henry Golden Spike as my kitchen knife for about a year now, it works very well in the kitchen and I really like the handle ergonomics.
Cool
You Sir are a Man's man. Gotta respect the fella that uses a hunting knife in the kitchen!
We were always taught that if you need to chop wood, use an axe. Batton only in an emergency
The golden spike has a hidden tang that goes all the way to the end cap it is plenty strong enough.There are other videos showing how it’s made and it’s a solid freaking knife.
I like both. The golden spike is actually a strong knife, but I still prefer the full tang old timer.
Thank you for this review and for almost not batoning with these knives. 😀
For $25.00 these seemed like respectable tools. The plastic handles don't bother me considering the price point plus plastic is with us everywhere and can be quite strong and resistive to wear, but I do wish they would not try to make plastic look like stag. Again, given the price point I thought your review demonstrated these were serviceable knives; however, the one point I cannot forgive is a sheath that doesn't fit the blade -- really?
+Richard Edgecomb maybe it was just a problem with that particular sheath or maybe it needs "breaking in". Or maybe it needs redesigned.
It's Delrin (made by DuPont) just like the original U.S.A. made Old Timers used for half a century. All of these videos on the China made Old Timers complain about the "plastic" handles, but that's what's always been used, it's nothing new by any means.
I have a 160t that I v had for 35 years with no complaints
Have to agree on the "full tang vs. rat tang" assessment. I've had more than a few rat tail tang handles break on me, have never had a full tang handle break. I've had chips, rolls, even a crack, develop in full tangs on the blade but never the handle and that has happened on rat tail blades as well. Given my druthers, I'll take the full tang every day. And have to also agree with the "flag on the moon" statement as well, since there aren't any metric system countries flags up there it's kind of hard to disagree with that. Thanks Brian!
+Bob Ashmore I get lots of comments from people who obviously take their system of measurement way too seriously.
Bob Ashmore What in the world are you doing with your knives? Lol My Mora has never let me down, even in batoning, if I want to beat on something awfully bad I'll just use my axe but everyone is different
“Guess what kind of grind that is…. I’ll let you figure that out”! Thanks a lot I thought that was the purpose of the video!
Yeah, when I made this video, there was a whole lot of drama on the old UA-cam about Schrade knives using a hollow grind on one of Chris Tanner’s designs that was supposed to be a saber grind. So that was a little inside joke at the time. It’s a hollow grind.
I have had the Golden Spike for many, many years. Made dozens of marshmellow roasting sticks when camping with it. :-)
very nice
🤣🤣🤣 YOU DA MAN !!! 🤣🤣🤣 Bubba you cracked me up with that line " For those of you who don't have a Flag on the Moon 12.7 cm " Brother that was the best comment ever 👍👍
As to the knives, I like both. However, I do prefer the full tang construction of the Old Timer. I do have a Uncle Henry Bowie the 181UH. A full tang beast of a knife for a non traditional Bowie shape.
"For those of us who don't have a flag on the moon" ouch I'm gonna need some aloe vera for that burn. Well played my friend well played.
+Rather Be Bushcrafting I heard James Yeager use that analogy at a class and I knew I was stealing it.
I bought the uncle henrys golden spuke.. It works for what you need a knife to do and to me it has old school good looks.. Great video.. Thanks for calibrating my knife...
+Gregg Woods you are welcome.
I like the full tang Mountain Lion. I believe the handles are made of Delrin. Case used delrin (and still do) during WW2 when other raw materials were needed for the war effort , or were not available. It is extremely durable. The sheath is nice looking as well. Thank you Brian for another great video.
I am like 90% sure the handles are hollow inside, as opposed to solid Delrin or any other plastic.
Love the Flag on the moon! So genius and simple! You're the best Brian! I like the mountain lion.
I have to give James Yeager credit for that one
I have had my Old Timer Mountain Lion since 1981 or 1982,....no problems or complaints.
I have used it on many deer.
But in the 80's I was hunting in monsoons the leather wrinkled and never recovered.
My fault I should have mink oiled it or something.
This knife is better than the ones I make.
Its a full tang knife not a rat tail tang.
I've had the golden spike as long as I can remember and its never failed me. I spend a lot of time way back in the woods and have done it all with this knife. Don't underestimate it. But then a lot of people don't know how to use a knife. It's not an hatchet or wrecking bar. Come on people, get a life.
If it helps with the Mountain Lion knife; I had a knife from Schrade with a similar scabbard only to notice they stuff the leather with paper. Pull it out and the knife should fit right in. Only down side is knife will move more freely when put away. :)
WOW! What a Beautiful Classic Hunting Knifes~! Thank You Sir~!!
+Aaron Cross they are cool
Both nice knives. I'm a full tang believer myself. 🤓
+jumpkeys me too
I just purchased the Golden Spike, it has the screw on the butt of the knife, but it says 'Full Tang' right on the package. What's up??
Some call full tang only when the tang is visible from the handle scales, others when it runs through the entire lenght of the the handle, also if it a narrow tang.
I have an old time knife which was issued to me while in the Air Force, and probably still have another of their knives which I purchased years ago. The knife issued to me have a handle with plastic on it, but everything else is metal and it was used to but line which is used to rig parachutes we put on cargo pallets. The knife looks just like it did when it was new except the carbon steel have changed color to a black except where it is sharpened.
Very cool
I've owned both the golden spike and, as of yesterday, the mountain lion.
The mountain lion by far is a better blade.
Allow me to explain: when I bought my golden spike brand-new, the plastic handle which encased the stick tang was loose.
The mountain lion, however, is a full-tang. No loose parts.
I just bought this knife from Walmart 1 hour ago while grocery shopping, (32 bucks)I just lost my pocket knife couple hours ago so I needed something new, I saw this one and it looked really sturdy and had no blade play, I’m a Texas guy, I’ve had $150 dollar knifes, otf single action knifes, this one seems good for a emergency
Old Timer and Buck were my favorite knives back in the 70s and 80s for gutting and skinning. They both held a great edge, but that was with better steel. I had to get rid of my knives and most of my guns due to a divorce. I got a new woodsman a few years ago. It came shaving sharp but I don’t hunt anymore so I don’t know how good of an edge it holds with 7cr steel.
Well...they just came out with a new made in the USA version with 1095 steel.
I like how you sped up the video. Its not too fast, like some people do and I could understand you completely
Hmm
Do a review on the GK21 Gorden it’s a clone of the buck 119, I recently bought one, it’s sharp and feels good,But I don’t abuse my knives, I trust your opinion more than a lot of these guys so if u haven’t yet try the Gorden buck 119 clone from harbor freight
I like these knives, but i sure wish they'd use a slightly better steel, nothing that would break the bank but a 1095 would be nice.
+Andrew Parke they are what they are
I have both of these knives. The 160 OT Mountain Lion is all around a far better knife. There's no comparison. My Dad's old American made, Sears Craftsman branded Uncle Henry Golden Spike is in similar a league with my Old Timer Mountain Lion, but my new Chinese made Golden Spike is not.
Thanks for another fine review. These are both fine knives that should last a while when used properly. Thanks for saying that using a knife as a baton for splitting is not a very useful test. That is one of those things that should only be used when there is no other alternative. Like others, i also enjoy the "balance test" that you do. Keep these videos coming.
I didn't say it should only be done when there is no alternative, only that splitting wood by batoning it is not necessarily a valid test of blade or edge strength. I think batoning to make kindling is a perfectly legitimate practice.
I have many UH and OT. Great designs for the price and i find the 7cr17 functions just fine. Both handle materials are sturdy. The rat tangs are plenty strong for common knife tasks.
Yep
Uncle Henry used to use real stag up until the stag shortage from India...
I have an Old Timer camping knife and that knife is looking and I keep it in my EDC bag, and I have another one which I ordered which is still in the box it came in. They are both hunting knives, and I also ordered one which is a folding knife and it looks great also and all of these knives are quality knives even though they was made in China.
Well that's what makes this country so great we can have different opinions! And still get along. Keep up the good video's and testing of reasonable price equipment
Yeah, although we seem to be falling short in the "getting along" department lately
Rambling/ranting is your trate that’s what makes us individuals it makes your program different and worth watching
Thanks
now i gotta go get a shirt made up for this, "at least my country has a flag on the moon" !!! awesome thank you!!!!!
I think I heard that one from James Yeager
Bro ramble on its why I subbed long ago,
Its like hanging out with an old friend talking man stuff.
Most swords from antiquity all the way to the latests sabers use by cavalry in the early 20th Century were spine or rat tail designs.
I have them both. The Golden Spike is easier to sharpen, but the Mountain Lion is so much of a better knife than the Golden Spike that it's worth the pain in the butt that it is to get a good edge on.
I like both. Great price and both sharpen to razor edge. The old timer is more my style. But uncle henery takes a better edge. Either way they'll do what there made for. Skinning n Sliceing. Another great knife review thanks for sharing God bless 🇺🇸
"don't have a flag on the moon"!!!!! Best line ever! LOL
I heard that from James Yeager
Nice video..I have a few Golden Spikes .. didn't know they wasn't a full Tang ..thanks for the info.
All are good points about the knife not fitting the sheath. While not a deal breaker at $25 if I were sending a product to you for review on UA-cam I would make all the parts fit the way I intended.
+Richard Edgecomb yeah, but that does sort of throw a wet blanket on the conspiracy theorists who say companies cherry pick the best samples to send out for review.
I use the same Uncle Henry for a deer hunting knife . Always worked for me .
Cool
You could argue that "Rat Tail" Tangs have been used successfully for a few thousand years. Swords survive in the Sutton Hoo Archeological find that show 34 inch Saxon era swords with tangs less than 3/8" that taper to the pommel to an 1/8' thickness. That's 800 A.D. There are many older and more lightly constructed hilts that have obviously withstood significant battle damage to the blade with zero damage to the quillon, guard, grip, tang or pommel.
The "batoning" issue I believe extends from people not knowing how to use a knife. It is not a crow bar. It is not a froe. It is not an axe. If you put 250+ lb-foot of torque at any point of a 1/4" -1/2" area cross section of steel (of most any type) it will develop fractures on the tension side... (You are making a lot of heat on the compression side.) I can baton 1 1/2" wood along the grain with a 3" slipjoint folding knife. Don't hit the handle. Don't pry with it. Don't swing like it owes you money.
Do you ever wonder why people don't like to loan out their tools? It's because of the yahoo' Bumble-gorilla weekenders that think abuse, adrenaline, testosterone. and enthusiasm are a substitute for skill and planning. Great, you can bench press your Jeep by the bumper, can you tie a clove hitch? How about carve a decent tent stake? A pot hanger? Do you know the difference between burdock and poison sumac? I'll stop.
+Christopher Neely you could argue that (and I did mention that point) but I don't think you can reasonably argue that a full tang knife is inherently stronger, all other things being equal.
More steel is hard to argue with. No doubt. I guess I just ranted out a stress reliever, about people that abuse the crap out of a $25-30 knife. They blame the manufacturer for a rat tail tang; when they break it with a three foot club... Bonus points for the, "Flag on the moon." bit. Perfect.
Great review as always Bryan! Thanks! I leaned to the full tang also. 2:48 almost spit out my coffee LOL
+b5maddog don't do that. Coffee stains
Hey Brian I like you to do a video on the uh-153 Henry knife you get such a good platform great seeing you 👍
And both of those knives would be good fighting knives.
They resemble Martial arts knives like Al Mar warrior,.... but their spines are not serrated.
Watch out he throws knives.
I also have my Old Timer stockman 3 1/2 inches total length it has some wear and patina but still working I carry 3 knives in my pocket a 2 7/8th Gerber with a serrated edge and a ESTWING with a 3 3/8 inch AUS 8 serrated blade all awesome knives,..... I bought the ESTWING at loews hanging on a plastic strip hanging in the tool section for like $4.75 and If I see them again I'm buying more.
No worries. Chris from Preparemind 101 made a knife review video of the Cold Steel Immortal. Oh! He came up with a line much funnier (and worse) than the whole "flag on the moon" thing. LOL !
+NGMonocrom cool
As always, thanks for a great video. I like the look of the "stag" handle, but wonder about its resilience. Anyway, fun stuff.
+Peter Huggins it will be fine if you don't beat it up too bad
at 11:00 you see the knotch , bladeside against the handle?, those notches was made specifically to use the ferro rod because of the shape of the back of blade
I'm not so sure about that. Those are called a "choil" and using one to scrape a ferro rod is a good way to cut your finger.
I loved the old Old Timer Sharp Finger. The new ones are larger and not so ergonomic. Thanks for the review. Another great video! We should hang out sometime. Maybe Dawson Forest. I don't live very far away!
You are up in God's country.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose I'm actually in Winder, but that would be a good place for us to hang out...
Both are nice knives. I own the Uncle Henry but I’d rather have the Old Timer because of it being full tang.
I used to collect old timer knives ,I wish I never sold my collection ,now that iam older I could appreciate them more ,I might need to start hitting up flea markets and start collecting them again
Cool.
I like your sense of humor, sir.
+fredde90210 thanks
Brian great review the flag on the moon comment was funny. I like the mountain lion take care and stay safe my friend.
+James Hinegardner I sort of stole that one from James Yeager
I think that the Golden Spike has the more traditional look, but the full tang on the Mountain Lion is a plus. I would probably choose the Golden Spike, considering everything else as equal, just because of my preference for the traditional style. But, that's why they make different models of the same basic knife.
+Greyman Zink yes it is.
I bought a Golden Spike a while back and was unimpressed with it. Sold it right away. The Mountain Lion looks to be a better knife. I would stick with my Buck 119 over either. I have the 119 with brass and wood handles.
good knife
Sounds like either one would be a great deal for the money and if you lost or broke one, it wouldn't break the bank!
Thanks.
I've got a knock off Uncle Henry, which cost $10.00 from Frost Cutlery. I love it nylon sheath and all. Next to each other, I doubt there's anything different!!
maybe not.
Who noticed the time on his watch saying 4:44 . Then click on that time stamp and look at his face and imagine your dad asking “did you steal my car last night boy”.
I bought a golden spike in 1985. Since then it has done everything I've ever wanted it to do. The blade is certainly not stainless and is is not as pretty as the new ones. Never felt the need to buy another hunting knife and I expect to pass it on to my nephew when I die.
You probably have a carbon Steele blade one.
A person tht rambles is one tht overflows with information . Ramble on .
I appreciate it.
unofficially, us Brits use inches too.
+crisofer954 i won't tell. But what is with the whole "stones" thing?
I envy people that can throw and stick knives . I think I may buy both of the knives.
Have fun
Skimpy rattail or a decent hidden tang?
Saturday's balance tests. My day is complete. Lol
;-)
Very helpful. Thank you!
+Butch Hill I am glad it helped Butch.
Both seem like nice knives. I like them. But full tang is a full tang. Would be my choice too. ( Just spent most of the day rebuilding a wood and bone handle for a large rat tail tang Sami knife for a friend of mine. ) The sheath of both of them looks hefty and durable. Seems like similar quality as the sheaths of my SCHF42 and 42D. I have to admit I like the Uncle Henry sheath with the pocket bit more. Always nice to have a sharpening stone along. ( I guess real Arkansas stones of proper size are not that difficult to find ) I wonder if the Old Timer fits there? Have a great weekend Bryan :) Big thumbs up!
It doesn't fit
Stick tang is a better term than rat tail, since rat tail has become associated with poor quality welded tangs, you're right stick tangs have been used pretty much as long as there have been knives, most European swords have that type of tang as well.
Still not a full tang
Nice video and like both. The old timer knife looks better. Nice throwing.
+Gail Stokely thank s
I used to be a big fan of the Old Timers, years back, when they were USA made & from 1095 steel. Never really cared much for any of the Uncle Henry's, though, past or present. I don't like the new, made in China, Old Timers, as they're not as "refined" in fit/finish as the "old" one's were. Still, I definitely don't discount Shrade knives altogether. One of my personal favorite Schrade knives, is my "black handled", SCHF42D with its 1095 steel. Of the two your reviewing, if I had to pick one, it'd be the "full tang" Old Timer.
Me too
2 seconds in and I see only one with 3 rivets and a full tang. I know where my vote is.
Similar to the 160t . 160t doesn't have brass guard
Bryan,
Schrade mountain lion vs schrade large schrade sharpfinger???
Two good small knives but the Old Timer with that full tang is my bet. Still like the Schrade as well.
Thanks!
Two good knives,, switch the Sheath's seems to fit little better
Hmmm.
Both knifes are equly good just depends on preferance on brand name iv had both i like them both
i agree
“ For those of you who have a flag on the moon” NASA is using Metric System 😝🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I like both of them, very cool design. I've been thinking of getting the Uncle Henry Bowie, or something similar.
cool
What happened to the skunk that was sitting on the balance testing device at the 15:20 minute mark ?? It just disappeared ??
Skunk? What skunk?
Really the balance test. 👍👍😁 . Subscribed
Put a ruff spot on the back of the knife and it will work beter
Loved your moon comment.... good review as always!!!
+M. Myrick thanks
Hahaha... The flag on the moon killed me! 😂 😂 😂 😂
I enjoy watching these reviews. I examined the Uncle Henry in a store, and to me it looks pretty cheap and tacky. I think most people could do better for the money.
Brian your the Best,love your videos.
Aw shucks. You are too kind.
I wouldn’t use a hunting knife for batoning or how ever it’s spelled it’s made to cut the skin and meat of an animal
If your goung to use a cheep knife use a lawnmower blade for batoning
;-)
Finger guards brass not nickel silver so is the pomel brass
+Mark Holm just reading the specs. I don’t think it is actual brass. Just brass colored.
Dang that flag on the moon joke was pretty good man!
Credit to James Yeager. I heard him say it at a class.
There's a pic/review on Amazon showing the 165OT which is similar in construction, but isn't truly full tang. Don't know if it's real, but why would somebody fabricate that?🤔
probably because the side steel is of different quality and cost of that one of the blade.
If I had to rely on only one knife, it's a full tang for me. But since I don't, in this case, I'd go with the rat tail with it's traditional good looks. In my battery of knives, I have a large Bowie knife, forged in Germany, which is almost 100 years old with a real stag handle, and thusly it's rat tail mount. I use this knife as a knife should be used, and I have no worrys about it holding up.
+Charles Larson yep. I really want a classic Randall and I am pretty sure they are rat tang.
Yep Bryan!! That Classic Randall is indeed a hollow grind and rat tailed.....as it should be. These knives started in the 30's and countless soldiers carried them as their fighting knife in WWII...and still do, to this day! True works of art!
The nickel silver guard and pomel look like brass?
The Schrade is probbly not full tang. A review on Amazon took off the handle from the 165OT Woodsman and it's a rat tail welded to the rest of the handle so I would assume this is the same construction. I hate it when companies try to fool people like this. By the way there are only three countries in the world that use the old measurement system. USA, some small country in Africa and some small country in the Far East. But even those two countries are switching to metric. Everyone else has moved into the faster to use metric system. Which leaves the USA as the only country in the world to still use the older system.
Example, multiply
USA 5 feet 7 13/32 inches X 17 feet 4 3/8 inches
Metric
388cm X 1568cm. This is not the accurate conversion from standard to metric is just an example.
I am a retired Carpenter here in Canada and I grew up using the standard system. As the years went on I switched into metric and it's easier more accurate and much faster to use. No more feet inches and fractions to convert just one single number.