Astra J 1.6 CDTi Diesel timing chain replacement
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- Опубліковано 9 січ 2021
- In this video I'm doing the timing chain on my wifes 2014 Astra J 1.6 CDTi. With the GM Medium diesel engine, also known as the 'whisper engine' "claiming relatively low levels of noise, vibration, and harshness" I video the steps i go through doing it. Please like the video, if you do and subscribe if you want to see further content. Thanks for watching.
Hi Paul, Thanks very much for taking the time to do this video. It has proved my worst fears. I bought my 66 plate Astra with 9k miles on and it has been excellent. It now has 40k on and I change the oil and filter (Dexos 2) each year. The engine has always had the 2 second rattle on start up which i accept is just oil pressure but lately has been longer and far more worrying. I was hoping to keep the car for many years. My last Vectra did 11 yrs with no issues but to need to spend over £1k on what really is a basic service item is ridiculous. Its probably a tensioner and guide kit from China. Buy cheap, buy twice or worse! It will be going.
Thanks for the kind words.
What ended up happening with you car in the end? What oil were you using at the time also, was it 0W-20 or 5W-30?
@@taylorthrall7321 got rid of it before inevitable failure. I used 5/30 as recommended.
90000 kms and zero issues with mine. I had rattling noise during the start (randomly) in the first years. No noise anymore for 2 years. The overall quality is cheap. Crappy painting, bad shock absorbers, hard steering wheel brutal acc, dangerous lane assist etc.. but still good value for price
Literally have gotta do thos job at work on Monday I've just taken the engine out makes it so much easier
Nice workshop you have! I can only dream of a workshop like that - currently work out of my van which Isn’t glamorous!
Not mine mate.
Nice Video, probably my favourite 👍
Top job Paul 👍
the rattle at startup is not a problem, its just the oil pressure builds up. But I've been in the dealer service for changing batteries, and they said this year Opel released a part that keeps the oil and doesnt let flow out when you turn off the engine, so the sound will go away, but I dont know if its worth the 500€ extra cost... :D
What ended up happening with you car in the end? Did you have anything done by Vauxhall, and if so how much did you end up paying?
@@taylorthrall7321 I’m using 0w20 engine oil instead of the 5w30 and it solved the problem for me. Even at the dealership they wanted to put 0w20 but later 5w30 they said… its a big debate in the internet as I read because many dealership put 0w20 as official oil others 5w30. 5w30 is dexos2 specific the 0w20 is dexos-d. Anyway, I did like 40.000 km with 0w20, no side effect so far , and after 10.000 km since last oil change not a single drop of oil is missing from the engine
@@johnnyhun1 that sounds great! I was actually have this debate with someone online too and I said I believe 0w-20 would be better and this is what he said:
"Nope. 0w-20 is thinner so when the engine is turned off, it runs back down to the sump faster, away from chain tensioner, so when you next start it there's a slight starvation of oil until the lifter pump picks up the oil to start pumping it around the engine. In turn this stretches the tensioner over time which then lets the chain end up stretching. 0w-20 is fine if you've had the recall done by VX where they fitted the gasket at the tensioner to stop the oil flowing back down when engine turned off, otherwise better with the thicker 5w-30, even in winter."
@@taylorthrall7321 yea I heard that they released an extra gasket that prevents the oil flowing back when the car is turned off, but this is how it was designed and was in production/sale over 5-6 years? Because the gasket got released only 1-2 years ago. And also, due to thinner oil its picked up much faster than the 5w30. If it would be that bad I would see some sign of the damage, or the oil pressure lamp should appear, but even when it was 38 celsius outside no oil pressure light was seen. Give it a try, you can't lose too much.
@@johnnyhun1 I asked another guy online and he told me to only use 5w-30 not 0w-20, here's what he said:
"Nope. 0w-20 is thinner so when the engine is turned off, it runs back down to the sump faster, away from chain tensioner, so when you next start it there's a slight starvation of oil until the lifter pump picks up the oil to start pumping it around the engine. In turn this stretches the tensioner over time which then lets the chain end up stretching. 0w-20 is fine if you've had the recall done by VX where they fitted the gasket at the tensioner to stop the oil flowing back down when engine turned off, otherwise better with the thicker 5w-30, even in winter."
What do you think
24k miles, out of warranty, happened since I got the car but think I'm just more aware now that it isn't a "common characteristic" like they kept saying but as you said it's a "common problem".
Massively frustrated, unsure if its causing other parts to be damaged or if I just need the gasket, either way I'm guessing at least £500 job if I'm lucky..
How they've gotten away without doing a recall is beyond me.
Recalled over brake system failure, recalled over broken steering columns and now they want the car for a day to update the ecu to fix the "Emissions".
Had a citroen c1 before this car, could drive it into a wall and it would carry on as normal.
Thanks for sharing, would love to have knowledge and know how but I can just about change the oil myself lol.
If it’s only rattling on start up, it just needs the tensioner. I believe the gasket is a red herring. There’s a bloke on UA-cam who done the tensioner. It’s not too bad.
@@Roverturbo Thanks, will relay to my friend.. His brother was a floor manager at vauxhall and has offered to do it for me if vauxhall refuse to do it themselves.
It only happens on start but went to the shop and it still sounded bad, so now until it gets fixed I'm trying to give the engine more time before pulling off in the morning.
Saw a couple of links in the comments and saved those videos too.
It's nice seeing your video and seeing what the parts are actually doing inside my engine. Thanks for taking the time. 👌
No worries
Hi Paul, great job and good video! I have the same car (built 2015) and exactly the same sound when starting up the engine. Together with a friend I looked into some kind of workshop calculating software and this software said "estimated duration for this job 14,5h(!)". But it also said "special tools are needed". Were there any special tools you needed for the whole repair? Another friend of mine told me that there is a special tool when dismantling the gearbox, some kind of tensioner.
Hi, thanks for your comments. I didn’t rebuild the gearbox. Only special tools you need are for the timing but to be honest you only need a round bar (drill bit?) to lock the cams. As you can see in the video.
What ended up happening with you car in the end?
My car ? I made an oil change and the chain was quiet again 😅
@@stefansplinter972 did you switch to 0W-20 from 5W-30?
No. I took 5W30 Dexos 2 again. But a little more expensive this time
Well serviced engine and had the turbo replaced when I bought it but makes a loud whirring sound when driving constantly now. Hoping it's not the chain guides or tensioner broken
this had the rattle for a few seconds on start up but then when warmed up, you could hear it fade in and out. also while driving when lifting off the throttle.
@@ianhuds2206 rid of car now but was noisey especially at idle must have been the chain running on metal guide as plastic were off, well known fault with these engines
What ended up happening with you car in the end? Did you have anything done by Vauxhall, and if so how much did you end up paying?
Great video very informative, mines done 88000 miles and rattles on start up but should I be worried!!!! Drives fine and doesn’t rattle when running
Get the tensioner done, should solve the problem. Will have already started eating away at the guides.
What ended up happening with you car in the end? Did you have anything done by Vauxhall, and if so how much did you end up paying?
Oui moteur hs a cause du tendeur de la chaine
Well done job! Where or what manual did you use? I saw within the video you have schematics used with the torque indication on it.
I had access to a manual at work.
That is Autodata
Excellent video
Thanks
Good morning.thanks for that beautiful video ut been so helpful.i have Chevrolet orlando car with the same engine.do you think i need to change the engine to gasoline one ?and if not what us the best way and oil to prevent that issue from happen quickly?
Change the oil with good quality c3 every 6-7 k.
I bought a 2016 astra k 1.6 cdti main dealer perry's sold it to me with a list of problems telling me it's a great sound car but it's been anything but had it 5 months and it's currently with them for the 5th time and now diagnosed the timing chain. Now after I have asked repeatedly for my money back want to do just that and charge me 45p a mile for use I have had
Apparently now there’s a mod you can do to the tensioner, which is fairly easily to do. That’s if it’s only rattling on start up.
@@Roverturbo there is think it's a recall not sure if to have them do it or not it's coming out of dealers pocket just wondering how long it lasts after service manager from dealership said his lasted 18months mine was both
Pros and cons of running a chain? I've heard that pros of chain are durability and torque, cons of it versus a belt is that a belt can be replaced a lot easier than a chain but given that it's a belt and could potentially snap and cause a metric f#*# ton of damage people prefer chains? Mines chain driven and sounds somewhat rattly between 2 and 3k revs until it warms up then it quietens a lot but I've also had a belt driven one which was slipping and cause damage to a shaft and either cylinder 1 or 4 been ages since. Anyway, point is, no matter what you choose you're pretty much doomed but I'd say a chain is better if the car is maintained properly AND isn't a nightmare to get to like this!
Great job! Could you help me with the torque spec for the oil pump sprocket bolt, and is it a left or right hand thread?
Many thanks
Standard thread, I just used locktight and done it tight.
how much do you charge for this job Paul? ive just bought one of these astra 1.6 diesels and as a precautionary measure would like this job doing so i have peace of mind as the car is going to be used to travel up and down the country twice monthly with working away.
Hi, I dont have the facilities to do this, sorry. But I spent around £800 in parts, by the time I needed a new clutch, flywheel, chain kit, service items, gaskets etc.
Many thanks for sharing your experience! What a job bloody Vauxhall for this nightmare repair.
I have new shape Vauxhall and my timing chain has started making noise when starting up and when running from cold 😭 so many local garages wouldn’t touch it when I did find one garage they wanted £2,500 min? for a car only worth 4K. It kills the car 😢
Very interesting video just understanding what was involved with the job.👍 Yes I would like other videos from you very thorough with your maintenance repair how much would you charge a punter for that type of job.
Depending on how long it’s been doing it and the mileage, maybe worth changing just the tensioner, which isn’t too bad.
I bought it in end of August this year took it back home about 80miles away left it on the drive for about 6 weeks until I was trying too sell my other other and then started driving it and it then started rattling my first full week of driving 😢and it seems only when cold but sometimes when waiting in traffic?
Thanks for your reply 👍
Mileage?
@@Roverturbo 109,000 miles
@@Roverturbo 109,000 miles only ☹️
Did you change the sprockets or not? Need this job doing but the kits without the sprockets are alot cheaper, hoping to not have to do them. Also did you put the gasket MOD on the tensioner?
Didn’t change the sprockets, didn’t need to. No mod on tensioner, pointless imo.
Now at 172k and still perfect.
Well, I went ahead and got this done and now I have a whining noise from the engine. Taking it back in on Monday to have a checked, any ideas? Lots of Google hits mention the timing chain covers not being fitted properly. It almost sounds like a tensioner or a pulley but none of that is removed to do this job
No idea, hope they find the problem. would of thought covers impossible to fit wrong as they seal the engine, It would leak oil.
Hey mate. I did mines last year bit now needs done again. 214000 miles. I couldn't get a oil strainer gauze at the time. Where did u get urs or didn't you change it cheers
Hello, I didn’t change it. Just cleaned it. Still running good.
I have just Bought a 65 reg Astra with this engine trade in my 58 reg tdi polo with over 100.000 miles the timing belt plus some other big jobs wanted doing but looking at this video I am thinking maybe better of with a belt
You are better with a belt in this case. I bought a 65 plate 1.6cdti and 12 mths after needed chain and tensioner replacing. Cost £1250.00 to get it done. Car had done 79,000 miles. Regular (6000 mile max) oil changes are key with these engines to protect the chains.
I'll never buy a Vauxhall again. Pile of junk.
@@garethifan1034 where did you get it done from I have been getting quotes of £2100.00 plus vat! That would be great help. Tia
What ended up happening with you car in the end? Did you have anything done by Vauxhall, and if so how much did you end up paying?
was there any unexpected gaskets/o rings to be replaced while getting all this stripped?! Good job man
Only injector copper washers I think.🤔
Rear main seal and be prepared to check and replace clutch.
@@Roverturbo replaced clutch in summer so that is good. Should of really done chain then too but circumstances didn't allow to do. Good shout regards rear seal tho 👍
hello my master. Which brand oil do you recommend to use for this vehicle. 5w30dexos 2 is used in turkey
I used a 5w30 fully syn c3 spec low saps.
No wonder there getting scrapped from Warranty issues. It's reason I why bought 2.0 cdti insignia with the belt at the right side. with out the Chain. At the gearbox side. I really thought those days were gone since the Austin Princess days with the same set up from the 70s 😅
Nope.. rear mounted chains are common on a lot of engines now.
Vauxhall done a recall for these engines where they put a £2 gasket behind the chain tensioner
Is this a recent recall? My engine is rattling a lot now for the first couple of minutes so looking into getting this sorted ASAP. I have noticed there is an outstanding recall but looks like it's something to do with the brake travel.
Just come across your channel. My mate has a 2015 diesel Astra , and he told me he has just started to hear what he thinks is the chain rattle, he has been to the dealership and they said it's fine, but two local garages have said it needs changing, (these garages don't do major engine repairs so their not after the work). Is this issue a recall issue that Vauxhall are putting down as a customer use issue to avoid all the call backs ? From what he has told me, am surprised no one has been in touch with BBC Watchdog program as some of the forums have all got comments on these timing chain issues coming up a lot earlier in the life span of these engines.
What’s the mileage? Ours doesn’t rattle at all on start up now. I believe it’s a design fault. But in the real world, I wouldn’t worry until it’s rattling all the time while driving. I started to notice it when it warmed up as the mileage went up.
@@Roverturbo Just off the phone to him, he say's it's just on 43000, bought as an ex-demo from dealership with 6000 at that time on the clock.
@@richieRichard613 as I say, I don’t think you have anything to worry about until it’s noisy all the time, not just for a second at start up. Change the oil with Premium oil as regular as you can (6-10k miles
@@Roverturbo Thanks for the reply, I'll pass it on , Just to add, when I have been in th car with him, it does seem noisy for the first couple of miles and then , (to me), seems to be quiet, but always thought thats just being a diesel ? I do know he does get the car serviced every six months. thank's again for the replies. Take care and stay safe. Richie
Thanks for the useful information 🙏can you plz tell me what oil you would recommend to buy some time before having to change the chain kit.
Thanks for the great video. I have 2 questions:
Did you used the OEM/genuine timing chain set or a set from different manufacturer like Febi?
Did you had any issues after the replacement?
Thanks for your comment.
I priced an oem from Vauxhall, but the price were expensive as you would expect. I used aftermarket from febi off ebay, no problems. Total job in parts cost me around £900, the clutch, flywheel, slave cylinder, cam cover gasket, injector seals, front pads, oil change etc. Wife says it feels like a new car.
Hi mate, I was wondering if it wouldn't be easier taking the engine out. Thanks.
Ermm… not sure.. honestly no. If your working from home maybe. There’s still a lot more you have to remove to take out engine and then still have to remove what you would of anyway.
Hi Paul, I have astra K with b16dtr engine, 191k kilometers on it. It rattles when the engine is cold, but rattle goes away after the temperature of the engine builds up to 90C. Sometimes I hear the rattle during the driving for a second or two but then goes away. When the engine is hot, it doesn't rattle. But this still bothers me, even if it doesn't rattle all the time. I have already contacted few mechanics who can do the job. Should I replace the timing chain kit?
At that mileage..imo the chain guides will have started to fall apart. Which is how mine started.. then the chain started eating alway at the metal behind, so much to a point, as you can see in the video, bits of all this ended up in the sump and pickup. This car has a full service history.. it just happens.
@@Roverturbo I am going to put new chain kit then, I already contacted my local garage.
@@Roverturbo Just changed the timing chain kit on my astra k. The mechanic put SWAG parts. Car now runs and sounds like new 😃
@FlyingNitro1990 how much?
@@sahmedt9 600 eur back then, it's more expensive nowdays
There is a update on the timing tensioner,you have to put a gasket behind the tensioner that has a small hole in it to prevent that the tensioner drains empty
Thanks, I was thinking this when is was doing it. I very nearly thought about using a very small amount of sillcone behind it: but thought better of it.
hi guys i have a second hand insignia with 107 thousand kilometers on the clock. when i start it runs completely smooth and no problems but at some rpm between 1800 and 2500 sometimes when u go downhill for example i hear a very rattling metallik noice when i press the gas it dissapears that noise i believe is the belt but why doesnd do it in the start up that comfuses me. thanks, and sorry for my english
Hey man, do you know what's the name of that gasket? I am going to replace my timing chain soon so I can get that gasket
@@theboss12ize timing chain tensioner gasket part number 55515025
@@stanydecooman3835 thanks a lot man!
Is it easier to remove the engine or do it the way you did it
50 50, not sure. There’s a lot more work evolved in removing the engine. Everything has to come off ether way. Unless there was something else that also needed doing, I would do it the same way. 👍
Gracias!!
Interesting video thanks for uploading. Have the exact same model and would not recommend either to anyone.
why? you only have to repalace it like every 200-300.000 km (300 if you are brave enough), and then you dont have to do anything with it for the next 5-10 years depending on how usually you use it
@@johnnyhun1 honestly shouldn't have to do an engine out job that costs so much. There should be a bulletin or recall for the chains from opel/vauxhall as this appears to be a design fault. Buying this engine is not worth the hassle imo
@@edi8656 its not faulty desing. Its just a modern car, every modern car requires much more maintenance than old cars. And if you would have timing belt you'd have to replace it much more often, like every 70.000 km. One thing thats makes me mad is that they put the chain back of the engine, if they would place it front it would be much easier and cheaper to replace. But for example, you have to buy new tires every 3-4 years, why nobody cries about that :D
@@johnnyhun1 it's not normal because a lot of cars within 50k miles or less shows the timing chain rattle problem. It clearly a design problem and should be at least a split bill
@@boomslang1812 it can be also the hydraulic valve lifters, or bad fuel injectors... Or just a simple thing like a loose panel. Have you experienced anything on your own skin? Or you are just the other 1000 dummy people who says things because others saying as well...
There is a level plug to the gearbox apparently, but it's practically inaccessible so I fail to see the point of it. Personally I just drain the oil and refill with 2.5 litres of fresh oil
how about use engine flush. I wish that will remove the ash or carbon in the check valve. That was malfuctioning the tensioner.
thanks pro
I got an astra K 1.6 cdti and 215.000 km on it
The chain is changed at around 130.000km it makes rattle on startup i guess it’s because tensioner loses it’s oil pressure then there’s no problem after startup
i wonder if it’s related to tensioner or it’s gasket
or because of tensioner being wrong side and engine works counterclock wise
All of the above, chain, guides, tensioner have all begun to wear. These can rattle on start up with little as 50k miles. I woudnt worry until it rattles all the time.
@@Roverturbo That was the answer, I was looking for. Thank you
What ended up happening with you car in the end? Did you have anything done by Vauxhall, and if so how much did you end up paying?
@@taylorthrall7321 flushed the engine with oil flush and drove like 10-15 km then changed the oil again somewhat rattle is stopped my best guess is oil was not to spec (dexos2)
Hi there. I'm doing this job on a insignia. I've watched your vid a couple of times for guidance. I'm also changing the cam lifters while chain is off.
Do you have any data for camshaft cap torque settings.
I see you have data for the chain. Which I've used.
Thanks for your vid.
Thanks, now on 176k and still going strong. I’ll have a look for you tomorrow and let you know.
Thats brilliant thanks very much.
@@clivesclassiccars6862 unfortunately my autodata doesn’t cover this engine. I do have access to another up to date autodata, when do you need it by?
I wanted to do it on Saturday. But I can wait. I can get gearbox back in first.
I can't find any torque specs on the b16dth engine. On the Internet.
Hi Paul, I have another question. My mechanic put new chain kit and new oil. He then recommended me to change oil again after 500-600 km of driving to wash out old broken bits if there are any left from old chain. Is that really necessary?
Well… each to there own. If you trust your mechanic, maybe you should take his advice, how much is a oil and filter change? In my experience, all the bits fell straight into the sump and got blocked by the pickup strainer. Any small particles will get filtered out by the strainer and the oil filter. Any bits would of been in there for ages beforehand anyway… so any damage would have already been done… (if any) if you see my point.
@@Roverturbo oil and filter change is about 50-60 € where I live. So you left the oil you put straight after chain kit replacement for 10000 km?
@@FlyingNitro1990 What ended up happening with you car in the end? Did you have anything done by Vauxhall, and if so how much did you end up paying?
@@taylorthrall7321 My car is running very well now. I changed timing chain and put gasket on chain tensioner about a year ago and done about 15000 km. 2 days ago I changed all filters (oil, fuel, cabin and air filter - Mann) and put mobil 1 esp 5w30 dexos2 oil. My mechanic told me that he never heard Astra running smooth like mine 😀
@@FlyingNitro1990 oh so you had someone put the gasket mod on for you, how much that cost? Also how come you running 5W-30 since vauxhall now recommend 0w-20
Is the ecu stuck under the windscreen scuttle like the corsa 1.3 diesel?
I think it’s next to the battery, if I remember correctly.
mine is getting done next week £1650 just for the chain £700 if the pump has to be done would you recomend changing the pump
No, unless you have a reason to doubt it.
I recently had my timing chain done, since then i have been getting a oil pressure low warning, i am wondering if perhaps that bit of plastic in the pick up pipe could be causing my issue? Apparently he didn't remove the sump.
Deffo problem in sump pick up. .why didn’t they check the sump, crazy. Did they do the oil pump chain?
@Roverturbo no he didn't touch the pump at all. He just did the timing chain kit.
Just seems a bit weird how it started to happen after the kit was done so I'm presuming he must have dropped something into the sump
Just been told my Astra Diesel estate needs a new timing chain - only done 52k,and they've quoted me £2.5k !!
If it’s just rattling on start up, just try a new tensioner first, that’s easier.
could you provide a link on where you brought the timing chain kit please and how much was it. thank you in advance
They where febi items, oil chain www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174384023044
The main chain I got from Germany as there wasn’t stock in U.K. just search for febi chain astra.
@@Roverturbo thank you.. helped a lot
Thanks for the video Paul, I’m currently looking at undertaking this. Saw you had a manual in your video with the torque specs etc, mind sharing where I might be able to get myself a copy?
I used a friends auto data.
Good video. Mine has changed chain with gasket 2y a go. Everything runs smooth no rattle at all even in cold weather after 1 year i changed oil for5w30 dexos 2 and rattle came back and i drove next year with rattle sometimes and after 1y i changed oil and i find out that oil should be 0w20 so i changed and done engine flush but is still rattle there. So i am totaly lost now. Any help? When is warm weather no rattle at all.
We have always used 5w30. (182000 miles now) 0w20 is for emissions. I bought a feb chain kit recently and the tensioner was faulty and rattled on start up. I fitted a new tensioner and the gasket mod and problem fixed. The tensioner isn’t too bad.
Thank you for quick answer.but 1y on 0w20 not problem but changed to 5w30 next day rattle and drove 1y on 5w30.
@micinkauk change the tensioner.
Yep i just have phone call from mechanic and he said about problem that will need only change tensioner and use 5w30 oil
So we don't need ro chAnge th timming chain and only we need to change the tensior?
Would it not be easier just to pull the engine out? especially if you don't have a ramp.
Possibly…. I’ve never done it that way..
hello, what brand did you use for the parts? thanks
Febi
Just got this issue with mine..... wish you were my mate!
Ha..! I’m not doing another in a hurry..!
@Roverturbo Ha fair enough. No mechanic wants to touch mine, I'm still trying but might just let Vauxhall do it. I would like to keep the car for many years so I'm thinking it would be worth fixing. Apparently the turbo is prone to go as well, which I'm dreading. We'll see. Good insight with your video. Nice1
172k on ours now, turbos still fine. I change the oil every 6k. Does it rattle all the time, or just at Start up?
@Roverturbo Wow that sounds good, nice to hear the turbo is decent, I'll keep up with oil changes and services. Start up is fine, only rattles once the engine warms up a bit
Just try changing the tensioner, not too bad.
would you recommend a insignia with 1.6 diesel engine? or they bad? thinking of getting a 2018 one
They are good engines, it’s just the chain that’s the weak point. Just make sure it’s not rattling from cold. Then when it does, change the tensioner.
@@Roverturbo would you say a 2 ltr one is better because it has the belt instead?
@user-cn1em2qx6f 18 plate will prob be the b20dth, has a belt but it’s a fairly new engine, I know nothing about it.
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Hi Paul would you like to do my Chain etc on my Vauxhall Insignia 1.6 diesel its a 2017 prefacelift so not the new shape please?
Hi, sorry but I’m unable to take on any work.
Hi my partners car also rattles but seems to sound loud till its warm what sort of cost is the chain to be done ?
Not sure, if it’s only rattling on start up, you might be able to get away with just a tensioner.
What ended up happening with you car in the end? Did you have anything done by Vauxhall, and if so how much did you end up paying?
Hi can u plz confirm how much vaxual astra 2017 cdti 1.6 oil pump replacement costs?
Sorry I don’t know.
terrible how much work and how much complicate that's it to change the timing chain.
do you neet extra tools for the injector removal
These just came out by hand with no issues.
@@Roverturbo Thanks ons more
Did you put a modification
- GM 555 15 025 ?
when you put this modification the chain can be driven 300-400 000 km without any problems and the engine no longer makes chain noise.
Nope , what’s that?
@@Roverturbo ua-cam.com/video/WRZdDDNL3KE/v-deo.html
@@Roverturbo increases the oil pressure on the chain. The engine does not have to be taken out. After installation, the chain is never heard again.
@@Roverturbo it looks ridiculous but that little piece of plastic solves all the problems of a 1.6 cdit engine
Don’t think that would make much difference. You would still lose oil pressure through the gallery when off. The spring is there to hold tension till the oil pressure builds. The spring gets weak with age. Which is why is rattles until oil pressure builds and take over.
great video.
ı have the same engine as yours at opel insignia model. my issue is, not every first start but sometimes just two seconds rattle sound coming from engine then everything works perfect no rattle sound. my car is 146.000km do you think its normal? sould ı change timing belt ? thanks.
I would wait until it rattles all the time.
@@Roverturbo hello, what brand of oil are you using in your car. Your mileage has gone well. My 74000km also makes noise at the first start.
@@sahinyrtc1617 qx 5w30 fully syn, low saps.
@@sahinyrtc1617 got rattle at 80tsd, really bad some times, needed restart. Did engine flush with liquimoli 2 times and now 100tsd no more rattle. Modern diesel at EU6 needs often new oil, suffers a lot on short distance usage.
I'm pretty shure that that lower plastic guide is already gone off.
@@followfredl9335 thank you. are you using yagi 5w30 or 5w40? i am using close range mobile 1 esp dexos 2 5w30
My timing chain needs a replacement, when you replace the timing chain do you have to get a new clutch aswell?
Flywheel and clutch has to come off, mine had done 130k, but was ok, but choose to replace flywheel and clutch. Seems mad not to do at this point. Clutch feels so nice now.
@@Roverturbo appreciate the comment, I’m in 2 minds on getting it replaced, my clutch still feels new really, there’s no problems with it but to a mechanic he saying to get it done but I didn’t know weather to change my clutch and chain at the same time as it a big expense, do you know how come they say to change it? Because my chain is in the same place as this Astra
If you don’t want to change it…. It’s your choice. See what happens when it’s off, if it’s got plenty of life left, leave it. But get the slave cylinder replaced, as they can fail. (If it’s inside) ie concentric.
@@Roverturbo thank you for your help! It’s been much appreciated just mechanic said change it also another person said it will have to been changed so just wanted some other advise
There’s no reason it “has to be” changed.
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Can you show me the gadget that we use to un-do screw? That is IgA. A pair. With 3 fingers each. Between the 2 ends, in the middle is
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It's alligned perpendicular to the IgA. This chain is attached to Secretory component.
What is IgA dimer mentioned in Fig. 6-9?
I don’t understand
The water Pump it was good or bad?
Dunno.. didn't touch the water pump, assume its at the front of the engine.
Few off 180k miles now still on original water pump. 😳
Hello, what's size or code of fuel injectors washers?
Hi, don’t know, I got them from Vauxhall.
I found - 7,16X13,7X2 :)
Hi Paul how do I get in touch with you as I got vauxhall astra J 1.6cdti same issue please
What do you need to know?
@@Roverturbolike I explained I have noise and require some work
@@bs8369 again.. I’m not sure how I can help? I can’t do the chain for you if that’s what you meant.
@@Roverturbo live it mate got a garage taking care of it cheers
How to change water pump and thermost on this engine please?
Never done it.
@@Roverturbo can u please make a video if you ever have a chance to do so?
@ShSh-sg6tc will do
Hi Paul, great video and description of the failures.
Did you fit the modified gasket Vauxhall introduced for the tensioner that prevents the oil from draining out of it? I watched a video of a chap fitting the gasket that cures the start up rattle on the whisper diesel chain driven engines.
Did you use a timing kit with new sprockets please or just the chain, guides and tensioner please?
Was the clutch and flywheel expensive to buy as we will most likely have the chain done on ours which has done 101k miles now.
Here’s a link to the gasket mod. ua-cam.com/video/PQ_gKmt9fwI/v-deo.html&feature=share
Didn’t use the gasket, as it wasn’t a thing at the time. Just the chain and guides. Been running for 30k, still perfect. Flywheel was quite expensive, mine was fine but made sense to replace then, due to mileage.
Dear do you know what the part number of the gasket in Holland i have 2 pay 80 euro for that gasket greasy price Thanks
Which gasket?
@@Roverturbo the one between the chainspanner
The chain tensioner? No sorry, there’s a bloke on UA-cam who has done this tho “serious about salvage”
ua-cam.com/video/PQ_gKmt9fwI/v-deo.html
@@Roverturbo Thanks
I just got one with 97000 on it they , the car salesman, told me they don't need changing😮
Ha … Just google it, common problem. It you catch it at the start of the rattle, you might get away with just the tensioner.
One more thing do al this type cars have this problem ???
Not sure what you mean by all types, but these engines at around 130k miles will need the chain doing. Bmw also have chains that snap at around 100k sometimes.
@@Roverturbo OKE thats sucks i own one now with 140.000 kilometers big problems one the horizon
@@Fritsvrolijk potentiality.. I left mine till it was rattling all the time.. not loud but you could hear it.👍
@@Roverturbo i gonne flush the motor and run shell Helix 0w30 and than i hope its stays good Thanks mister Nice Regards from Holland
Getting ready to do this on drive. Bloody vaux engineers couldnt make our lifes easier could they lol
inteleg..este o lucrare destul de"migaloasa" dar foarte căcăliv ai lucrat...
Where are you based? Thanks
Uk
Where about uk I need this job I m from Cheshire! Thanks
I don’t provide this service. 👍
How many kilometers is the car?
140000 miles ...225000 km.
@@Roverturbohow many kms now ?
289km 180k miles
@@Roverturbo nice!! Easily a 300,000km engine then hey?
Whats the price in the UK for this job ?????
No idea sorry.
What if i only change the Chain TENSIONER is that a good idea ore not
Depends on how bad the wear is.
@@Roverturbo Thanks pro I am gone do only the tensioner It’s to hard to do this job at home one the street ordered the new tensioner at the opel dealer hope the new one is A better item Have a nice day
Well done mate I could do with a good mechanic.
Change with good quality oil (not GM) every 7K to 10K kilometers and you will have this engine survive till 150K or 200K with little luck. Cheap guys and those who follow the recommendation of 30K for oil change will suffer on 85K til 105K kilometers.
why those foolish gm engineers put the chain on the gearbox side??? wtf
why not thake the motor out of the car ????
Thought about it but it’s a lot more work for something I didn’t need to do.
@@Roverturbo oke Thanks
Hi Paul. I have the same engine. The sound in this video can be heard for 1-2 minutes after I first start it up. The sound disappears when the engine warms up. Is the sound in this video a timing chain sound? Should I change it as soon as possible? ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkxIcfL9n24aS3P8ei42dU0zlo8Tg3GYesO
Exactly like that noise? Hard to tell from a video but that doesn’t sound like a chain noise… if it is… it’s VERY bad. Did it just start making this noise or slowly get worse?
The range rover Evpque has the exact same dumb system
Can you please write me your email address? I would have some questions about the documentation and torque moments. Thank you for your time.
What did you want to know? I didn’t use a torque wrench. Just used my skill..😉
@@Roverturbo Okay 😄 I bought documentation to this engine, there're torque wrenches, all methods of installing and removing 😊 but like that video! I'm replacing timing chain right now and still checking by your video
@@MrRytmusko awesome... glad I was of some help.
Chain on the gearbox side of the engine.....................how very BMW of Vauxhall
….same on Mercedes!!
Do u think after watching this video that Ur saving much money buy driving a diesel car .buy a petrol car for god sake .a Japanese prefably.
should have just taken the engine out, much easier,,,
You would have to wonder, who designs a stupid system like this. not alone have you the expense of the chain, but you now also must replace the clutch... shocking ...
This is the worst diesel engine ever made by Opel (and not only) causing numerous problems to Astra, Insignia and Mokka owners who made the mistake to purchase relevant diesel edition (1.6 CDTi). It has become a joke even in Wikipedia (see towards the end of the page) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Medium_Diesel_engine
My wife’s has done 165000 miles now, all it’s had is the chain and 1 glow plug. 🤷♂️
@@Roverturbo Good for you but the majority of people I know who own vehicles having the specific engine have different experiences. If you do a quick search in Opel/ Vauxhall forums in EU/UK you will see hundreds of similar (or much worse) stories of horror. Not to mention the fact that due to the engine's silly design you need to "sell" a kidney to have this chain replaced in some vehicles (e.g ~1500-2000 Euros for Opel Mokka 1.6 CDTi diesel models ). It must be no coincidence that once the company got acquired by Peugeot the management decided to use Peugeot's own diesel motors for all new Opel models...
@@georgechatzidakis Engine has problems when not properly maintained. You can't change oil every 30000 km, but every 15000 km maximum. And the noise is easily fixed by timing chain tensioner gasket installation which cost me 180€. My Astra has done 208000 km by now. It even has original clutch and flywheel.
I change the oil every 6k miles, have done since 120k miles.