Lost Judgment - Boss Battles: FINAL BOSS (LEGEND)
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Here we are at the end! Pretty wonderful game overall, I'm thinking of making a thoughts/discussion video soon so that I can talk about what I think of the game with the good and the bad. I feel like the ending merits a lot of discussion as well as to how else it could've been done. What did you guys think of this boss and of the ending in general?
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I just realized why he picked the name Kuwana as his alias.
It means 917 , the exact day Mitsuru jumped from the balcony
How did you find that information?
From somebody's playthrough , a Japanese comment mentioned his name can also be read as 917.
I think it was this one ? ua-cam.com/video/-fA4zXEOSdI/v-deo.html
@@zapperil That's cool!
Damn thats cool
Oh, I see, actually, the number 9 in Japanese is called Kyu, and the number 7 is called shichi or nana, but surprisingly, the number 1 is not from Japanese, but from English, one is read as wan
The best part of the ending is that Kuwana just gets away with it. He walks away and they can’t (and won’t) do anything to stop him. It’s so much better than the predictable “The sympathetic main antagonist realizes the error of their ways and dies tragically” syndrome many Yakuza bosses suffer from
They could, but that would mean Kusumoto gets off Scott free but still publicly disgraced while Kuwana gets executed along with his students who he blackmailed. Yagami realized this the moment Soma said not to mention Kusumoto's ties to the Mikoshiba murder that any home of handing him over to the authorities was no longer the best option and instead had to settle for Kuwana ending his cleaner services since Kuwana could only do what he do by having the bullies get outted as alibis and the families who accepted his services.
It's not hard to kill a bully, but when you still have something to live for, the idea of killing someone to get what you want isnt an option unless someone agreed to bear the guilt on your behalf
@@MrAsaqe to add to your comment, Kuwana himself said that there's no evidence to bring in court of him killing the other 5 bullies since he didn't leave any evidence behind (him admitting murder isn't the highest in term of credibility and strength), so, in a legal sense, they can only let him go.
And most of all is that his point still remains and even kaito doubts about who is right?
But how I hated yagami saying sawa sensei every single time
@@nadie4221 As funny and annoying it was how Yagami would pull the good old "what would Sawa-sensei think about this hmm...?" card, her being his main motivation made perfect sense to his character as she was an outsider who got dragged into Kuwana's revenge game and got killed, just like Emi on the previous game as he himself mentions at some point. And also how there's pretty much no way to counter the Sawa-sensei argument either, outside of just not giving a shit about her which would be the same as admiting that he's not the vigilante he's trying to be.
@@jigoku667Yeah it's a fair point but it became a meme at this point, besides kuwana didn't killed sawa nor he had it planned, in fact the main villain should've been public security with soma and their necessary evils.
I couldn't connect with sawa in any shape or form and her admiting her confession was a lie was the detonating factor of ehara going on the murder, if only she made the right decision everything will be fine.
Why do I feel regret as the main topic of this game?
The fact that Yagami and Kitakata were both right is amazing writing .... This is top 3 RGG game for me
props to them always, rgg studios really know how to write a storyline
Yes. In this confrontation. Two ideals clash each other, for one is agaisnt Chaos that creates Order. And the other one creates Order by Chaos.
This is how you do Grey vs Gray.
I like the idea of future games dabbling in moral greys,bringing up tough questions with no definite answers
Kuwana is as right as Yagami is wrong.
A bit of fun fact:
Kuwana's VA, Yamamoto Koji, once acted with Kimura Takuya in a drama, "Karei Naru Ichizoku"(The Family) on 2007 as his brother.
This I gotta see 📺🍿
@@ttru I really recommend this drama. A heavy family conflict drama between father and son businesses in 1960's.
Koji and Kimura Made an interesting combination from the first episode till the end.
That's the first time I knew about Yamamoto Koji (^^)
Huh. No wonder they brawl so much
@@sentrogaspers9813 I have been told that Munakata's actor from Yakuza 4 was also in this drama as well and was part of the family picture.
@@TovarishTony oh yeah, he acted as Kimura's father in that one.
everybody gangsta till the ex teacher and lawyer start floating
*Everybody Yakuza
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I honestly wasn’t expecting this to be the final boss, I nearly ran out of healing items thanks to Soma’s teleportation. But the dynamic intro, music and build up is unforgettable.
Me too, I thought the game was gonna cut it at Soma, I had a hunch but once Soma had the dynamic intro I thought it was done there
There was a stupid creeping bit of my mind that wanted bando to come in and whip out his Kung Fu as the final boss
The dynamic intro reminds me of Kiryu vs. Shibusawa
His teleportation puts Majima's side stepping to shame.
I seriously thought I was completely screwed but I actually managed to take him out on the third try with how little health items i had.
I really enjoyed Kuwana's character as a whole. He was neither your friend nor enemy. He just acting for his own and wanting to atone for his own "sin." As he trying to make up for it, he unfortunately have a huge case of Lost Judgment.
That's deep
Same! He’s so complex. I bet it was so hard to write for him, but damn they delivered.
Kuwana is a great presentation for the anti-hero archetype. Very well done in my opinion. This fight and the track especially hit me hard emotionally.
@@H3llrider92 I don't even think he's a full on anti-hero. Honestly he's done a lot less damage and killed far fewer people than other protagonists, even in this series. I really find him interesting since he's so nuanced I've heard people consider him everything from villain to just as much of a hero as Yagami. It's genuinely one of the most interesting characters I've seen written recently, in games or any other story
@@gohom3882 why? only cringey thing is the bad grammar at the end. otherwise this person is mostly just saying basic facts
Dude, I just wanna say I appreciate you not posting the final boss in the thumbnail. I already beat the game, but it’s great you’re not spoiling it for others! Props!
i agree
as someone who hasn't so much as looked at LJ's story I can agree
Kuwana is the greatest antagonist RGG have ever created, and Lost Judgement’s story was nothing short of a masterpiece.
For a 40 yr old, Kuwana knows how to make a fight so exciting.
And not to mention that he is just a former Japanese teacher.
Well tbh Yagami is also 40 so it's just 2 middle aged men kicking each others ass lol
Both Kiryu and Majima are in their late 40's
Kuwana is 43 and Yagami is 38
@@aidelai4098 in yakuza 7/like a dragon kiryu is 51 and majima is 54
Kuwana's final, weak punch on Yagami's face tells more than a thousand words.
And Yagami fully knowing Kuwana is no longer able to fight, grabbing his wrist with tender care and politely pushing it out of the way with genuine sympathy… man… I am not sobbing, I swear.
@@Gopnikawa 10 year joint is that you?
@@nitecore-wx9ljSubarashii guy!?!?
Yagami pulled a Kiryu
@@Gopnikawayo holy shit it's tenyearjointman
While Soma's fight was epic, Kuwana's is certainly emotionally-driven.
the fight is hard
@@rastas_4221 I think that’s the beauty of Kuwana, I was only bullied a little but it stopped when I stood up to them, but I fully sympathise and feel he’s justified in what he was doing. I got lucky and escaped bullies early but others don’t and I even saw people who hung around my friend groups who were nasty people and still haven’t learned or changed. Kuwana was written for people like you and I to discuss. And that’s why he’s quickly become my top character from both the Judgement and Yakuza series as a whole
When he mentioned the bomb and had tried arguing his point with Yagami for the, like, 6th time, I had a feeling that someone wasn't leaving alive. I was so glad to be proven wrong.
@@nrein89 Yagami at this point knows that Kuwana wont kill anyone who isnt a terrible bully.
Hence "you are not that kind of scum" talk.
That’s exactly what makes this a unique beast of a final boss in the entire Ryu ga Gotoku series. An emotional weight comparable to Kiryu and Nishiki, but imbued with a much heavier philosophical conflict from two truly perfect foils. We find ourselves at times agreeing with Kuwana’s logic and disagreeing with Yagami’s, and the game has no interest in direct justifying Yagami over Kuwana, even Kaito points it out. There is no real right answer, and the game is mature enough to walk this boundary and acknowledge the ambiguity, something the entire Yakuza series and Judgment clung to as a convention (to mostly great effect); antagonists may be relatable and portrayed as human beings who have gone through their shares of traumas that have shaped their philosophies, but the actions they have committed have mostly been too irredeemable (at least in the eyes of the storywriters) to allow them to survive their stories.
Kuwana is different. The man walks away alive, and the ambiguity in his choice to submit an anonymous tip of the 5 remaining bodies, inevitably propelling the manhunt forward, carries so much weight. Had Yagami’s core philosophy finally rubbed off on him as it did on Kusumoto and Ehara? Should this be interpreted as the mere speck of hope in an otherwise stalemate of two clashing perspectives, the survivors of the “antagonists” (who were also pleasantly not irredeemable, and were portrayed as tragic and relatable) haunted by the weight of their choices. Perhaps heaviest of all is Kuwana’s burden, who shows genuine regret for Sawa’s death at times of Yagami’s interrogations, and all his other actions.
This game is a standout in the series because it shows a far deeper respect for its characters, and eschews a traditionally straightforward moral dilemma for something much more subjective and ambiguous, and willingly emphases that.
Top-tier shit RGG, but there’s no going back now. Gotta make Judgment a trilogy, and please don’t lose Kimura.
At first, I thought that Yagami was a bit redundant with Sawa-sensei. But then this ending of the game made me realize how important it was for Yagami to repeat her name to Kuwana and Rei. For Kuwana, he still neglected to mention Sawa when talking about justice. For Rei, she was finally able to understand Yagami, and see how her sense of justice and Kuwana's aren't fair because they failed to protect innocent people like Sawa from getting hurt. Some people may agree with Kuwana's definition of justice, where it's okay to justify a good cause at the cost of innocent lives. Others may agree with Yagami's definition of justice, where you should deliver justice without unintentional harm. And in reality, we do agree with different types of justices depending on what we know, the scenarios, who's involved, and our cost/benefit analysis. It's hard for us players to not agree with Yagami and Kuwana to some extent.
Yeah, I initially was getting bored of Yagami only using Sawa as his main argument, but not only was her death reminiscent to Emi's to him but also she did play major roles in Kuwana and Rei's life.
Really was interesting how you couldn't even completely ignore Kuwana's point and I'm glad the game was aware of that.
Not only that, but if everyone goes out making their own justice, we would go back to "eye for a eye" age, and judgment wouldn't be the same for everyone, meaning it would not be fair, and justice, at least technically, is blind
I think mentioning Sawa is important, not just because an innocent person died due to getting wrapped up in their schemes, but because her death shows the cracks in Kuwana's and Reiko Kusumoto's actions and even draws parallels to the bullies they'd killed. For example, Reiko trades Kuwana's life for the status quo of her own by ratting him out to Public Security, like how Kuwana's students are all willing to participate in Kuwana's murders so that their own lives aren't effected. And there's even a part where Kusumoto says Sawa's death wasn't directly her fault and Yagami asks her if she'd afford that same logic to her son's bullies. Kuwana, Kusumoto, and Ehara all talk about the legal system failing to save those who slip through the cracks, but their own ideas of justice led to the same happening to Sawa, which they were all willing to brush that under the rug. Their actions are extremely understandable but flawed and as Yagami puts it, the only thing that's fair to everyone is to expose the truth.
I really loved the characters in this game and I especially hope we get to see Kuwana again.
@@Murakami2077 I fucking loved how the first game used such an ambigious statement as an intentional tagline to mean so many things at once.
In Kuwana's eyes, he secretly disliked Sawa's passivity, if the bullying situation is so bad and all options for diplomacy was exhausted the only choice was to go to war with the bully with her backing the push for the victim, agree to cooperate with whatever schemes instead of just doing palliative support for a bullying victim.
From me saying "who the fuck is this showoff" to me tearing seeing Kuwana walking away in the shadows, goes to show how excellent the writing in this game man.
Yakuza 0: There can be only one Dragon
Lost judgment: There can be only one Kung Fu.
Joke aside, There can only be one Justice.
That revelation when I realize that they both have the same color auras…
Yakuza Kiwami 2: Am I a joke to you?
@@lilivory99 Yakuza 2: Am I a joke to you?
Kuwana's scream before the fight starts sums up so many things he wanted to say, so much frustration. Really well made. So symbolic. :)
3:28 The build up to that beat drop and then having it drop as soon as the fight starts was perfectly synced
14:52 Man, Kuwana’s scream really hits hard
子供のように声を出して泣く桑名には 何か感じるものがあります……。😭😭😭
Kuwana felt so defeated, man… I definitely agree.
@@DeterminedTorres
The mother and son have to be torn away from each other again.
just finished the game and I strongly agree. that scene got me in tears
I love the role Sawa played in this game.
Since the moment she died, there was no way for Kuwana to convince Yagami anymore. Because from Yagami’s perspective, there is no way anything that’s just and righteous can result in sacrificing Sawa. (Especially given how she died, and how sad the murder scene was)
That was truly the point where Yagami and Kuwana are destined to go against each other
Kuwana can’t even be classified as a villain or an antagonist imo. Most of the other antagonists had an irrationally selfish motive for their actions, Kuwana’s actions were based on a different perspective of the same idea of justice that Yagami also has. To sum it up, it’s really intuition vs reasoning in regards to justice. Kuwana is definitely one of the best characters in the series. A character like him definitely adds more depth and meaning into the fight.
Kuwana is like Yagami from Judgement both are responsible for a death that they could have changed but in Kuwana's case he was too late to do something
Kuwana is an anti-villain
Well, the word antagonist doesn’t necessary describe a villain. It’s someone who opposes protagonist for some reason, whether it’s the goal or the methods or anything else. So he definitely *is* an antagonist, but he’s definitely not a villain
I’d say he mirrors yagami, except Kuwana’s solution was murder, while yagami was an obsession with the truth. He wishes to expose peoples crimes and knows the law isn’t perfect but he also knows that if you expose enough of the truth the law will have to be upheld, especially when you make it public enough. Yagami lives with the guilt of emi’s death, while kuwana lives with the guilt of mitsuru, and now sawa.
You do know that antagonist means opposing force, not villain, right? The fact that he’s the final boss quite literally makes him an antagonist
I’m gonna say it
Kuwana is easily my favorite final boss in the franchise
There's been arguments for both sides of Yagami vs Kuwana I've seen on discord which make some dissertations look like twitter rants. Never known a more divisive boss
Definitely up there with Goda, Mine and Aoki/Arakawa for me.
@@asimb0mb aoki wasn't much of a boss
@@RobertEdwinHouse9 It's about the emotional baggage for me.
Of the ones I've played (0, Kiwami, Judgment and Lost Judgment) I agree with you.
You know a bossfight is amazing when you come to UA-cam to watch it again.
Kuwana is easily a top 5 RGG character for me after this game
Best villain in the series
Jin is a enjoyable character but his motives and reasons for killing is justifiable and his boss fights and themes are amazing and the one thing that Jin gets that most Yakuza villains don't get is screen time which helps flesh him out more
stop the cap, Nisikiyama wants a word with you.
I wouldn't say justifiable but understandable . He still took a life without remorse
Nah. The Mole, Mine, Nishiki and Ryuji clear
@@davidklassen5791 I'm sorry Kuroiwa isn't on the same planet as an actual character. Cool boss fight though I'll give him that.
@@EthanBradburyVlogs clown alert
4:26 holy fuck that exchange was badass
Bro had a dbz fight for a second there
"She's(Sawa) not even here to speak for herself. If we turn a blind eye to that now, how is that justice?!"
I like how the ending makes a full circle right back to the bullying with Koda in the second chapter...when Yagami said that the real problem are her classmates turning a blind eye to the injustice and bullying happening in front of them. Just brilliant.
Yagami is such an incredible protagonist. An immensely determined man with an unbreakable moral compass and an unwavering commitment to exposing the truth, no matter what how treacherous.
How these writers continue to craft masterful story after masterful story I will never know.
3:06 Bro, this scene is just top notch man
Man even after finishing this game, I still can’t get over this ending. I started from Yakuza 0 and then had a whole marathon of RGG games for each month last year. It was for sure a wild and awesome ride. Wherever the Yakuza and Judgement goes from here on out, I’ll happily follow it.
Exactly the same ride here. What an amazing studio
You are not alone guys. I had the same ride. One game for each month, too xD
Just finished Lost Judgment an hour ago
I started yakuza 0 last year in january. I just finished lost judgment today. A year and a half it took for me to get through this whole series, but it was a great journey.
Now we’re eating good with Ishin, Gaiden, and 8 soon! At the time of writing this, we’re ready for Ishin.
6:40 the timing and how it seemed to flow with the music
I just realized that all of Kuwana's fighting styles mirror Yagami's.
His first style mirrors the Crane Style
His second mirrors the snake style
And the third is a combination of both, mirroring the Tiger Style
No wall jumps though, Kuroiwa had a trademark on that
No boxing though 🤭
@@rikiishitoru8885boxing is dlc maybe he didn’t buy it 😂
@@10yearsjointman was broke too 😂
@@tommyblade8093 he spent all his money on vape 😂😂😂
First time that I'm actually rooting for the boss
Same
Everything in this game was very well written i am myself looking forward to see video essays that being said the story was really justifying actions of a serial killer by making Yagami agreeing and sympathizing with Kuwano also in the later half of the game the story kinda hinged on Sawa's death everytime Yagami would bring it up as soon as there was nothing for him to say but then it hit me that Kuwano did what was necessary but he totally disregard the death of Sawa sensei then what was the difference between him and Soma both were doing necessary evil by overlooking certain notions and making sacrificing and killing and hence i think Yagami's end monologue was really befitting about people having their idea of justice the story had a really good beginning and it hooked me till the ending which made me think that it might end badly but the conclusion was very satisfying.
I think that Kuwana is the best rival for Yagami in term of story and battle.
Let's hope that this is not the last game from Judgment series, i hope sega and kimutaku's agency will have a new deal so that the series can continue. I personally hope that Judgment will at least have trilogy i can be satisfied with that but if they want to make more i think 5 is enough for a closure to the series👍
After that they can focus on the new series.
there are J-Dorama mentioning, i think it will continue
Came from the future, happy to see it come to PC!
Kuwana is a great character. To sum him up, he's like a _foil_ (essentially, "what if _thing_ happened to the protagonist") to Yagami.
They both share the same _Dig in Your Heels_ attitude and both have an _Unwavering Belief_ in their versions of justice. They both go beyond the reach of the law to reach their justice, but _how_ they do it is what makes the difference. The two are in conflict, causing a clash between them.
The thing is... neither of them is wrong, but there's no right answer to the situation. It really is left to the player to choose who's stance on the matter is the most morally correct, when the answer is... neither.
I think he was intentionally meant to be the Ryuji to Yagami's Kiryu, a kind of twisted version of the protag.
Hmm... now that i think about it, Kiryu fights Ryuji (shirtless) on top of an unfinished skyscraper. Meanwhile, Yagami fights Kuwana (fully clothed) at the bottom floor of a warehouse... Is there some kind of symbolism i'm missing here or am I _digging_ too _deep?_ Hmm...
@@blutarchmann9070 probably digging too deep but that is a nice coincidence lol
@@BIaziken2 ryuji and mine vibes tbh
@tieneselpenepequeno Yagami did prevent who?Koda?
remember, he is hired, to investigate bully in Seiryo and IF Seiryo dont investigate, im pretty sure, there are more suicides
Honestly if the Judgement games continue without Yagami due to Kimura, I could maybe see Kuwana being a viable protagonist going forward. But preferably I still want Kimura to continue the series as Yagami.
maybe it didn't end with Kuwana being killed or arrested so RGG could take that route as a plan B if Kimura's agency continues to be selfish pricks
His moveset is similar to Yagami’s, he retains his crane and snake style
They have so many viable options to continue the series that it's practically guaranteed to get a 3rd game at this point. Kimura will probably stay if these games stay off pc so Yagami is the most likely, but Sugiura, Kuwana, Kaito, and even Hoshino are all in perfect spots to take the spotlight if need be
As much as I'd love Kuwana to be the main character I doubt they'd do that. Simply based on the fact that there isn't a single RGG protagonist who has ever killed anyone canonically, despite all the jokes about it. And not only has Kuwana killed someone before, he's a literal serial killer. For a righteous cause, sure. But a serial killer none-the-less.
RGG making one of their final bosses the protag of the next game would be unprecedented but REALLY cool
I didn't expect much from Kuwana at first, so that build up had me at the point of tears.
FUCK this game is so good. It’s rare when a game makes me doubt if I did the right thing. The story is just so morally gray and I love it, and at the end of it all, Kuwana wasn’t brought to any sort of “justice” and not much was really resolved in terms of the confrontation of ideals. Both sides have some real push to them, each driven and influenced by the different emotional experiences and logical takeaways they’ve each had from them.
LJ is my favorite game RGG Studios has made hands down
Japan of RGG world is where everyone a master martial artist
Case in point: Kuwana, a 40yo Japanese teacher, can put Neo from the matrix to shame
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To be fair, he presented himself like somewhat similar to Yagami, and is kind of an assassin
@@harper1587 What I mean is that he learn martial art really fast for someone I assume didn't learn to fight until his late twenty
@@khogamevietsub It's been 13 years, I think it is more than enough time
Except street thugs.
Can we take a moment and appreciate how crisp these in-engine cutscenes/dynamic intros are getting
While i can see where Kuwana is coming from against bullies , the fact that people can change seems to be conflicted against it.
And most of all , does the victims wanted all of this to happen ? If Toshiro is still alive , will he condone about what his father did ? Mitsuru at least knows what his mother did , and i don't think he's happy with it.
Exactly what I had in mind, they chose the option that they believed wouldnt ruin their family's reputation by striking back at the bully as well as preserving Sawa's innocence and belief in their plight that they won't stoop to such lows.
Toshiro would be the most hurt by this, to see his father, a police officer become a liar, pervert and sadistic murderer because of his son's situation. Even Mikoshiba for the torment never stooped to this level. Yet his father crossed one lines too many to get back at Mikoshiba.
Kuwana and Mikoshiba seem to definitely fall into the unrepentant asshole victim side to kind of vindicate Kuwana.
His other victims on the other hand...
@@achievementart And their victims had the choice to fight back and lose it all or take their own lives in hopes of not crossing moral line to give their tormentors what they deserved.
i think the problem is that no one person should ever have the right to decide if someone deserves to die, especially to die as horrifically as mikoshiba did. No matter his heroic reasoning, Kuwana turned those parents into coldblooded killers who committed brutal torture, and that's bad. but what's worse is that there really ISNT a better solution besides tearing down and rebuilding the entire justice system.
@@Wusodoolo Or be on the top or very bottom. At the top you decide what you do is right. At the bottom you make your own laws in the form of mob justice, everyone in the middle can get stuffed though
This is an amazing game I hope they don't drop the series suddenly as it was rumoured in the past on Twitter.
The problem Is only the agency that wont allow yagami's actor for another sequel
It would be great if they followed her, but the spin-offs are always short.
@@nicekatsudon7719 actually they wanted to continue Judgment toghether with like a dragon but both game having different mech
I thought the agency gets pissy over Sega wanting to port the game to Steam?
I hope this ain't the last one.
The Sequel of this game and the third franchise of Judgment will be titled "Don't judge a book by It's cover" Or "Judgment Day".
Dont think there will be a 3rd Judge Eyes game if Johnny doesnt budge from their "No PC ports" camp.
If thats the case Sega would can the franchise and possibly learn a lesson to not hire any pop stars associated with Johnny and Associates to feature in their games.
@@mr.kenway4554 I personally think what Johnny & Associates wants is the Judgement series exclusively on consoles and won't be on PC. It's a tough pill to swallow ngl
@@darrylaz3570 no, they stated that the sole reason that a PC port remains a pipe dream is because of the modding scene, since "Allowing our pop stars to be data mined on PC will compromise our contract with the pop stars"
So, what? Do you mean by if your characters get posted on PC your contract with them just suddenly revoked? What about the hacked PS4s then?
@@mr.kenway4554 I know it's a very stupid situation since console modding also exists, but if they're much more comfortable in releasing Judgement in the consoles, I guess Sega had no choice but to comply instead of letting the series die over it.
0r Kaito as a new character?
if we dont get a judgment 3 itll be a crime against gaming humanity 3:06 absolute chills when the eat drops
Kuwana is one of the best written characters in the series
6:35 "Whoops I forgot my nap time"
Also rhtymes too. Well played, Leon.
Man, this game is fucking GOTY
Kaito bringing up the fact there may be no true right answer is peak. Not your standard who is right, what is wrong? Just 2 beliefs colliding. Might makes right.
Yeah, who is to say what we would do if we were in Kuwana’s or Ehara’s situation?
never heard of this game before now, randomly saw the thumbnail. watched the fight and the cut scene. WOW this game is dope!
I could tell at the end you wanted to do the Tiger Dances with Crane and I love that you went for it for the finish.
"But who's to judge the right from wrong."
"Violence breed violence, but in the end it has to be this way."
This whole fight really remind me with this lyric from one of MGR ost.
You mean raiden vs armstrong?
10:22 That brutal roundhouse kick again.
just finished the game and I didn't notice that. def got that from soma 😂
3:11 this camera angle give me a goosebumps, RGG Studio capture this scene really epic
The game was overall incredible, but to answer your question from the description-
I felt the biggest fault was Sawa being used as a plot device to prove Kuwana's justice was false, in pretty much every scene with him. Kuwana himself was a fantastic antihero, I'd go as far as to say he was the main character of the game, although there were definitely a lot of missed opportunities with him.
Might also be my favourite final boss theme of all time.
8.5/10, just wish it had more of what made it great.
Also i predicted Kuwana was going to be a villain from the opening of the game, I was high and when he appeared in the OP, something about his eyes made me feel "Wow, there is so so much darkness inside of him, what is he harbouring?" Can't believe his eyes alone told me that, I guess it's a testament to RGG's amazing motion capture and the actor himself
I'm quite agree but I'm just wondering that will RGG create spin-off/another game from Lost Judgement where Kuwana as the Main Character? I mean Kuwana's character is really interesting and the way RGG implemented him into the story as a some sort of Anti Hero was really good so i thought that it'll be cool if Kuwana can be a playable characters but it'll be sad that someone as interesting as Kuwana won't be appeared in another franchise. If he did appeared then perhaps that there'll be cameo where his name are mentioned in or appeared to help the MC in the future game tho
I think my biggest problem with how Sawa is used in the plot is that it falls into the Yakuza 5 syndrome of constantly reminding you about her at every damn opportunity. In Y5, dreams were brought up so damn much it started to become too saturated of a theme; it became almost silly at the end. In Lost Judgment, while I like how Sawa is used in the plot to show the risk of collateral damage that Kuwana's vigilante justice can bring, Yagami does not fucking shut up about Sawa. Sawa-sensei this, Sawa-sensei that. One of Lost Judgment's biggest strengths for is how it lays out two opposing ideals of justice, and prompts the player to think about which is right, with both Yagami and Kuwana having pros and cons to their points of view- even at the last cutscene and beyond, I was still thinking about Kuwana's actions which is a sign of a great, thought-provoking story. However, I feel like this becomes simplified in quite a few scenes, when Yagami has to remind everyone (including us!) about how Sawa died, like it's his only argument for his cause.
Still, for me it's not enough to hamper the experience of the story, and this absolutely incredible fight.
@@sleep_deprivedguy5600 that's a great idea but unfortunately we'll NEVER get to play as Kuwana. Murder is the worst possible crime in the Japanese culture. That's why we got Saejima and his rubber bullets.
@@propastypete1958 I think the point about Sawa was that she was the starting point of kuwana life as a murderer. Sawa warn kuwana about the bullying when she was a student and he brush it off as boys being boys which lead the student to attempted suicide. Afterward she scold him for not listen to her warning about the bullying which change his view of his students and that ultimately lead him to become kuwana the handyman. After the whole court case with enhara son kuwana call sawa which lead to the secret recording of her testimony where she was force to lie that was later reveal to enhara and made enhara to collaborate with kuwana to murderer mikushiba. After the murder of mikushiba went viral she ask him about it which caught her under the radar of the RK to use her as bait that then lead to her death. Sawa words effect kuwana when he was a teacher and after she die her death was an afterthought for him. Yagami is saying that Sawa was trying to do the right thing from the start when she was a student up in till her death and kuwana must be responsible for dragging her into this because all she was an innocent, kind, good teacher who got rope in because of his mess up back in highschool and his Crusade now.
@@Leefamily146 The thing is, what you've said is totally true, and a great summation of Sawa's role in the plot- a role I find well written and cohesive. The problem comes when that role becomes oversaturated in dialogue. While she is linked to the main antagonists heavily, it gets a little tiresome hearing Yagami mention her several times per conversation after her death when he's talking to Kuwana, or Soma, or Musamoto. Again, it's a minor annoyance I have, she is a key piece (possibly the biggest key piece in the plot) but she doesn't need mentioning so repeatedly. As players of the story, we know what happened to Sawa- it's the big tragic death that sets off the second half of the game.
i went to a steakhouse and ordered a steak
i asked them for medium rare
when i got my order they brought “Lost Judgement Jin Kuwana Final Boss OST”
i had to give it back, it was raw as fuck
That was *THE BEST* ending and boss fight I have *_EVER_* encountered in my gaming career.
Music ✅
Stages ✅
Bosses ✅
Wow.... it'll be a while before anything holds a candle to this game. Absolutely iconic.
Kuwana's a fucking great character, man.
What an excellent boss battle there! I say congrats to you on finishing Legend which I also finish it in Legend in a short amount of time!
Kuwana reminds me Wen Hai Lee from Yakuza 0. They are pretty same, they both are ready to sacrifice anything and everyone to protect those they want to protect.
But here is a catch: Kuwana was a teacher and became a killer and Wen Hai Lee was a killer and became a "God's hand".
3:18 Kuwana’s scream was very personal
The fact that Kuwana has same fighting styles as Yagami to pinpoint through pure gameplay perspective the conflict of two justices is poetic cinema.
it would be funny as hell if Yagami later propose to be their lawyer. Like "hey, um,... now that you've turned yourself in, do you want to hire me as your lawyer?" XD
>agree with Kuwana
>purposely get defeated
>uninstall the game
>say that you finished it
9:46 am I the only one finding this segment beautiful? The music synching up with the EX is just *chef's kiss*
I have to tip my hat to the naming of this game. Kuwana is "Lost Judgment", or at least how I think a lot of us will see it. Similarly to how Ichiban is not a Dragon, but Like a Dragon.
The lost judgment are the bully who are not judge
After beating this game I can 100% say this is the best RGG game of all time in terms of story (how the fuck did they not include it in TGA?), combat and characters.
yakuza franchise is not as mainstream as you think, yet
@@roshaanreddy8107 it's def getting a lot more attention now. since I just started and finished judgement and LJ in a week (obviously didn't 100% the game sry 😅). even tho I just rent the two games. def going to get them as my collection
@@tommyblade8093 welcome to the community then
@@roshaanreddy8107 thank you. rn I'm just doing side stories. kuwana was such a well written char. I'm dying to play the next sequel
@@tommyblade8093 have you played the yakuza series
That fucking scream though. Im 90% sure the voice actor broke his vocal chords with that.
Somehow they managed to outdo Kuroiwas boss fight
They also outdid themselves--emotionally-wise--with this against Ichi vs Masato.
Knowing that it would be turn based in RGG7, how I wished they pulled the same with Ichi vs Masato.
RGG always strive to outdo themselves with each game, and I fucking love that energy. Makes me really look forward to the next Ichiban game.
From bullying case into the darkside of justice.
Man, bullying is now have a very massive cause effect. On my country, there's a bullying victim that getting charged by assaulter as "defamation". Thos is when law in my country is now getting worse. Almost never protect the victim that makes me sad everytime.
That's why, the educational about the effect of bullying is needed for prevent such a bigger cause.
Very fitting the title: Lost Judgment
Pasti yg KPI ya
Do we need Kuwana for handling the job?
@@hydraulicpress439 if by handling the job means making the bullying disappear without having your own life destroyed by your own revenge fantasy, sure.
4:09 "hol up just give me a sec"
*SCARFS DOWN TWO BENTOS MID FIGHT*
"ok continue"
Imagine beating up some fancy glowing dude when out of nowhere he shovels 5 bento boxes and 3 sushi sets in his mouth
yo that punch miss reminds me of Kiryu and Saejimas fight in Yakuza 4
This game was super interesting to me because very few characters felt like genuine villains. I guess Bando and Soma were the only ones that the term really feels applicable to, unless you want to agree that the status quo should be kept and collusion tolerated as long as it's to maintain "order". Kuwana, Kusumoto, and Ehara definitely were sympathetic and it's clear that they were doing what they thought was right, but I think the problem is that their idea of justice is vigilantism. Kuwana and his group made it quite clear, whether they were able to admit it or not, that they were okay with innocents getting caught and killed in the crossfire as long as they get their goals accomplished, almost no different than Soma. Their problem also was that their idea of justice only works AFTER people have already suffered. Kuwana only seemed to kill bullies after their victims were already dead. How does that stop bullying? How does that inspire people to change? His mindset doesn't foster community or preventative measures, it fosters fear and that being even harder is how you survive a cruel world, which is a reason why people bully to begin with. Again, it's similar to Soma and his quote “First comes pain, then the fear. You have to start with pain. Fear won’t work if you haven’t given them a reason.” Despite how much Soma and Kuwana hate each other, I thought it was interesting how similar their methods and mindsets could be at times.
Of course, Kuwana is also a foil to Yagami, both wanting justice but trying to get it in different ways. The reason why I think Yagami was right was, like I said before, his method of dealing with bullying helps foster community, camaraderie, and most importantly, trust and openness. He uses Sawa as an example of how Kuwana's methods can cause collateral damage and how keeping these secrets can lead to fear, which are great points, but one thing I think they should've touched on a bit more here is what Yagami and Amasawa (surprisingly enough) talked about: A good detective solves incidents before they occur. THIS is the mindset that Yagami prides himself on, and I wish he told it to Kuwana, too. As shown by Yagami's methods when helping Koda and in the post-credits cutscene, Yagami's approach to get bullies to change seemingly did more good than anything Kuwana did. The law isn't perfect and needs to evolve, but it all starts in the community.
This is definitely the most morally gray game in the series, and I really love it for that. It starts out SLOW, probably one of the slowest in the series, but by the end they weaved a pretty complex and interesting story. Definitely tied with Judgment for me, since they both had their strengths and weaknesses. My order for best to worst in the series is now probably:
0 > 6 > Judgment = Lost Judgment > 3 > 7 > 5 = Kiwami > 4 > Kiwami 2
Well it could have been all prevented if Mitsuru or Toshiro cornered Kawai or Mikoshiba the following day with a lead pipe and a stern word about their behavior. But you think Sawa would approve of such methods to get the bullying to stop? They didn't wanted to be an emotional and social burden to their parents by getting in trouble themselves
@@MrAsaqe Yeah, Sawa wouldn't want to stop bullying with violence. Kinda makes her death at the indirect hands of Kuwana even more tragic.
Also to add, Sawa unfortunately had a fatal flaw as well, that when push came to shove, she acted passive about her situation (not for a lack of a fault for it) as she was a bad teacher because she sees but doesn't act, and when she does act it's in a very poor or a very held back manner. If she really want to put a stop to the bullying would have put her career on the line rather than crying about how another pupil/peer of her was being bullied and hope someone would fix the problem. Still doesn't justify her death at the hands of Kuwana's actions however
But i think.. If Kuwana become a 'famous serial killer' for punishing the bullies, maybe people will stop become a bully because afraid they might get killed by the serial killer. Just like Soma said "First the pain, then comes the fear". Kuwana can spread the fear and it can effect long term isn't?
While Yagami, he need to find the bully and 'punish' them in his way. The effect is what we see in after credits. It can give some courage to people to act first than just watching. (I might wording it ｗrong, my english is not good)
@@hydraulicpress439 That's exactly it. You turn future bullying victims to become sociopaths because they can't trust the system anymore. If a bully does something to them, they resort to the worst possible options out there. I once asked someone about what triggers a teen to kill someone instead of themselves was from whatever sociopathic tendencies they had that would trigger. We see that in Ehara who at the prospect of seeing Mikoshiba die, chose to throw away his career, his marriage and his reputation all for the satisfaction of murder. He committed the murder that not even his son would have done.
I was not expecting Lost Judgment to be as good as it was. Kuwana is probably my favorite antagonist in the entire yakuza franchise, and the game is probably one of my favorite yakuza games, along with Yakuza 0. Everything to the content, the awesome combat system, and the story, the game was just perfect. 10/10.
I genuinely was flabbergasted when I started hearing the strings and the choir, didn’t think a former high school teacher would have such a based theme
you know the theme of these 2 is awesome
A man who want to bring justice by arresting those who did wrong And try to force them into the good
a man who want to bring justice by killing those who did wrong and making them suffer
Kuwana is the best antagonist RGG have ever written
I'd say that Kuwana aka Kitakata is Judgment's version of Yoshitaka Mine from Yakuza 3.
I respect your opinion but for me it really isn't, fighting wise yes, thematically wise is kind of different. Mine is someone to save because of his loneliness but kuwana is someone Yagami has to persuade to prevent more casualties
@@Liao42112 true
@@Liao42112 for more casualties, yea, no word are better than that
In terms of an adrenaline rush you get from it, this fight (As a game) actually meets the level of Aizawa.
He has the most badass looking Mortal Attack in the game
The objective clear sound at 2:20 is a great fake-out.
Truly one of a legend fight
6:10
Awesome combo; very Tekken-like.
Am I crazy that when I beat Lost Judgement I kind of wanted a sequel where you play as Kuwana?
no your not and this is coming from someone who disagree with his action.
You are crazy kuwana was trashed
Everything he did had nothing to do with justice it was about running away from responsibility it was his fault his student was in a coma because he knew what happen and had evidence of the bullying and did nothing so he quit change his name and became a serial killer and what is a definition of a serial killer a coward because they rather run then face the truth and who paid the price sawa why because she was innocent and didn't have blood on her hands majima was in the a similar situation he wanted to destroy the dojima family but Sera stop him by saying if you do that makoto will pay the price because she has no blood on her hands
gotta say. that was some fine acting by Koji Yamamoto
Heartwarming! This Dedicated Teacher Vows To Teach His Students For The Rest Of Their Lives
kuwana has probably turned out to be my favorite antagonist in the series, if i can even call him that
the villain role definitely goes to soma
Looking at Kuwana's fighting style and the way he fights in the video, it seems like it was the combination of all of Yagami's fighting style into one where it was more focused in countering, dodging, and grappling like Yagami's Snake style judging from the way his stance and his hands position but he can attack with fast and precision strike kinda like Yagami's Crane style, it was kinda like Wing-Chun but with wider legs position in his stance.....
But hey, it was only from my observation so far so don't judge me too hard for that, besides I'm not an expert in observing something so i appreciate it if someone correcting my comment about Kuwana's fighting style
I say your on the right track about kuwana fighting style. Carne style is about the fluidity and elegant of kicks while Snake style is more of attack while countering, reversal, and disarmed. The only style that kuwana doesn't incorporate is tiger style which is hard hitting and straight forward approach.
@@Leefamily146 but he did use the Tiger Style in the fight if i remember correctly. You can see it from his red aura when he tried to attack Yagami but then again, i think the game's mechanic make him use the Tiger Style less to show his own variation of Wing-Chun more
@@sleep_deprivedguy5600 tiger style is base around bajiguan(think akira from virtua fighter or leo from tekken) than wing chun.
@@Leefamily146 maybe but now that i see his fighting style, it's kinda reminds me to Silat too not gonna lie
I have watched such a captivating storyline in such a long time. Both games' story is so good. I hope there is a third one..a forth one..and more
This fight actually fits perfectly with Nishiki's theme from Yakuza Kiwami, For Whose Sake/For Who's Sake
I dont care if you call me weak, after following their stories and get emotionally involved, i was like "No guys, please don't... i dont wanna see this fight, please, the game is finish, end of story, please stop." but they both dont wanna give up their justice, they both right fuuuck!! The way they didnt write "Final boss" or whatever description but simply, just "Jin Kuwana" i drop a tear and pain in my throat, the music didnt help, it was amazingly epic and sad matching perfectly with the situation. Its second time i watch it and still have a tear. I never had feeling like this for a video game. This studio is incredible, thanks to the writers, true writers! Hollywood and people in TV-shows should hire them to write characters, they should take note seriously! I didnt felt that attach to characters since awhile!!
6:33 the music and fight are so connected it's amazing
Real curious as to what they're gonna do for Kaito's story in the season pass next year. There's no way they can top this but I bet they can get pretty damn close.
6:37 Prefect Timing music
Sawa sensei shouldn't have been killed, but she lost her life as a result being in touch with Kuwana. No matter how much Kuwana justifies his form of justice, but there will always be Sawa sensei who didn't do anything, but still lost her life that's why Yagami kept bringing her because that's the hole in Kuwana's form of Justice that innocents will lose their life, if he continues that path.
Whereas Yagami being relying on Law too much and there will be innocent people who will not get justice and the criminals will get away with it because of lack of evidence, that's why Kuwana keeps bringing Mitsuru because he was a victim of the law which couldn't give him justice.
Thus this battle of right and wrong is just a matter of perspectives and this battle will keep going on forever because no single answer exists.
This game has so much swagger I can’t refuse buying it.
I can tell you never has a boss fight made me shed tears before. Reminds me of anakin vs obiwan in revenge of the sith.
Soma is the story's final boss. Kuwana is Yagami's final boss.
When Kuwana threw his phone down, I flinched and thought that the building would explode 💀
The intro, the dynamic scenes in the fight, everything is freaking god tier
Sorry Shibusawa, but you have to agree that the hype on this one is higher.
i really dont feel the hype against Shibusawa