Woody/Jesse. Love the presentations regarding individuals in WW2. This one has been fantastic. Never heard of Ellis before tonight. Really enjoyed.it. Thanks. Bob
This was my second live stream and as with the first it did not disappoint. A very interesting subject with lots of interesting information and facts. Thanks Paul and Jesse and all involved.
Thank you for this. I am British, living in Australia. I've spent most of my life reading about spies. I have a deep fascination for the subject. My gut response to Jesse's thesis about Ellis is that he is on the right track. Jesse's point about the embarrassments suffered by a generation of spies in western intelligence in the aftermath of the Philby disaster is definitely a factor in what Pincher (Wright) were about. This is really beyond doubt. Don't forget that Angleton was also totally duped by Philby. There is merit in the idea that Pincher, Wright and West were "approved" by the "establishment". In effect, Pincher and co were approved conduits for a particular version of what was the greatest failure in the history of western intelligence. Congratulations to you for giving Jesse a platform to make his work more widely known.
Thanks, Anthony. I agree James Angleton was the source for a lot of it, if not all of it - at least in the US. He was the one who was deeply scarred and humiliated by the Philby defection. So who was feeding these journalists info about Ellis, beyond Wright? Presumably it came from inside British intelligence. Which raises the whole issue of what an Official Secrets Act is for if it can be so brazenly circumvented. West is very vague about his own sources and doesn't back up his claims with any clear evidence.
Brilliant show, absolutely fascinating. I think Jesse has brought a refreshing, fact based analysis of the complicated events of Ellis's life which stands in stark contrast to the sensationalist nonsense which has gone before. Must check out the Bon Scott book too! Great work guys.
Great show Jesse and Paul. You gave us snapshot of a man who runs thru the arc of history of WW1/WW2/Cold War that's very fuzzy and out of focus on the edges and presents us we more questions that answers, for me that's damn go history. A question for me is, since William Donovan was such a larger than life character, who is credited with creating the OSS does Ellis come up in any of his writings/files/communications? With UK official secrets act being very tight and Russian archives closed what does the US have/not willing to share about him? There's something here. As Mulder would say, the Truth is Out There 🍻
Thanks, Jeff. Very little is the answer. His role in OSS has been glossed over or erased. But Ellis is mentioned very favourably by Ernest Cuneo, David K. E. Bruce, Willliam Casey, Adolf Berle and others involved with the OSS and American intelligence.
@@JesseFinkBooks Thank you Jesse, that's interesting. It's been years since I had read about the OSS and I'm aware of everyone you mentioned. I feel like there's a story. Fantastic presentation.
I knew of pertinent questions surrounding Ellis. Jesse expertly and honestly addressed those questions. When you dance with the devil you can expect some heat. Whether Ellis was the sacrificial lamb at the demonic altar, we will probably never know. I believe that Jesse hit the nail on the head with Ellis not seeking monetary gain from any memoirs. The publications that then become 'the history' and so called 'facts', were totally condemning, as someone mentioned , easy to target and literally prosecute someone that has passed away.
Cheers, Gary - there were many people who came to Ellis's defence, chief among them an Australian BSC agent called Alban M. ‘Bill’ Ross-Smith. They just weren't publicised
@JesseFinkBooks Thank you, Jesse. Understanding the complexity of the subject, uncovering previously 'classified' material, and systematically refuting so called published 'fact' is a testament to your skills as an author. Especially when the subject is espionage and clandestine activity.
@@JesseFinkBooks Jesse, I take my spelling from looking at the actual inside title page of the 1856 English translation from the Latin, the marvelous book, The Moral Sayings of Publius Syrus (1856) by Publius Syrus, translated by Darius Lyman. I don't know why some use the spelling you do, whether an error that once created in a review, used it, and it has carried forward, but I see it often. On the other hand, perhaps a subsequent scholar identified the 1856 spelling was in error and uses the one you do; or, perhaps, as these things go, other ancient writers who referred to him in some work of their own used that alternate spelling you use. Who knows?
@@JesseFinkBooks I can't say this hasn't been fun. It has been. ISBN-10: 1533620393 The Moral Sayings of Publius Syrus: A Roman Slave - Softcover, by Syrus, PUBLILIUS ISBN-10: 1365287785 The Moral Sayings of Publius Syrus: a Roman Slave - Softcover, by Syrus, PUBLIUS Take your pick. Oddly, even when he's identified as "Publilius," your pick, the book title still uses "Publius", my pick. Go figure my friend! It's Latin to me! Now, if we had his birth certificate, that would settle it as to wherein rests the corruption. For example, a birth certificate for someone named "Don", when someone calls him, or refers to him as "Donald", is a corruption. On the other hand, if the certificate shows "Donald", and someone calls him, or refers to him as "Don" is a corruption.
is there solid documentation, other than popov saying so, that popov knew & relayed, PH information? particularly useful info, that u.s. didn't already have.
@@JesseFinkBooks only if he has more info than everybody else who's written about popov & his mission to DC. is the "plenty of documentation" actual documents sourced from anyone other than popov? i realize i haven't been clear about the issue with popov; it isn't that he didn't pass information to FBI, but, that it was generic information about japan's interest in military installations on oahu. not specifics of an attack, as some have put it. don't know if there was any intel/CI entity that didn't know japan was interested in U.S. Fleet's main forward base in the pacific.
@@cladglas You should pick up the Loftis book on Popov and John Bryden's 'Fighting to Lose'. Loftis writes: 'Connelley sent to Hoover a 12-page letter recapping the discussion' he'd had with Popov. The documentation is in the book. Loftis concludes: 'As of August 19, 1941, then, almost four months before the Pearl Harbor attack, J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI were on notice of the German/Japanese interest in the Hawaiian naval base, and Dusko’s assignment to investigate its defences.’
Woody/Jesse. Love the presentations regarding individuals in WW2. This one has been fantastic. Never heard of Ellis before tonight. Really enjoyed.it. Thanks. Bob
This was my second live stream and as with the first it did not disappoint. A very interesting subject with lots of interesting information and facts. Thanks Paul and Jesse and all involved.
Thank you for watching
Thank you for this. I am British, living in Australia. I've spent most of my life reading about spies. I have a deep fascination for the subject. My gut response to Jesse's thesis about Ellis is that he is on the right track. Jesse's point about the embarrassments suffered by a generation of spies in western intelligence in the aftermath of the Philby disaster is definitely a factor in what Pincher (Wright) were about. This is really beyond doubt. Don't forget that Angleton was also totally duped by Philby. There is merit in the idea that Pincher, Wright and West were "approved" by the "establishment". In effect, Pincher and co were approved conduits for a particular version of what was the greatest failure in the history of western intelligence. Congratulations to you for giving Jesse a platform to make his work more widely known.
Thanks, Anthony. I agree James Angleton was the source for a lot of it, if not all of it - at least in the US. He was the one who was deeply scarred and humiliated by the Philby defection. So who was feeding these journalists info about Ellis, beyond Wright? Presumably it came from inside British intelligence. Which raises the whole issue of what an Official Secrets Act is for if it can be so brazenly circumvented. West is very vague about his own sources and doesn't back up his claims with any clear evidence.
Very interesting. Enjoyed the discussion. Thank you Jesse and Paul.
a door has opened to a geat mans history and life. thank you jesse fink and WW2TV wonderful intelligent presentation by jesse.
Brilliant.
Now I want to read the book.
"Intelligence" is always dark
Thanks
Excellent, thanks.
Brilliant show, absolutely fascinating. I think Jesse has brought a refreshing, fact based analysis of the complicated events of Ellis's life which stands in stark contrast to the sensationalist nonsense which has gone before. Must check out the Bon Scott book too! Great work guys.
Great show Jesse and Paul. You gave us snapshot of a man who runs thru the arc of history of WW1/WW2/Cold War that's very fuzzy and out of focus on the edges and presents us we more questions that answers, for me that's damn go history. A question for me is, since William Donovan was such a larger than life character, who is credited with creating the OSS does Ellis come up in any of his writings/files/communications? With UK official secrets act being very tight and Russian archives closed what does the US have/not willing to share about him? There's something here. As Mulder would say, the Truth is Out There 🍻
Thanks, Jeff. Very little is the answer. His role in OSS has been glossed over or erased. But Ellis is mentioned very favourably by Ernest Cuneo, David K. E. Bruce, Willliam Casey, Adolf Berle and others involved with the OSS and American intelligence.
@@JesseFinkBooks Thank you Jesse, that's interesting. It's been years since I had read about the OSS and I'm aware of everyone you mentioned. I feel like there's a story. Fantastic presentation.
I knew of pertinent questions surrounding Ellis. Jesse expertly and honestly addressed those questions.
When you dance with the devil you can expect some heat. Whether Ellis was the sacrificial lamb at the demonic altar, we will probably never know.
I believe that Jesse hit the nail on the head with Ellis not seeking monetary gain from any memoirs. The publications that then become 'the history' and so called 'facts', were totally condemning, as someone mentioned , easy to target and literally prosecute someone that has passed away.
Thanks Gary
🍺@@WW2TV
Cheers, Gary - there were many people who came to Ellis's defence, chief among them an Australian BSC agent called Alban M. ‘Bill’ Ross-Smith. They just weren't publicised
@JesseFinkBooks Thank you, Jesse. Understanding the complexity of the subject, uncovering previously 'classified' material, and systematically refuting so called published 'fact' is a testament to your skills as an author. Especially when the subject is espionage and clandestine activity.
@@garyaugust1953 Thanks, Gary
Fascinating stuff 👍
Great stuff.
I missed this episode live due to work commitments.
Slander is next to Murder.
-- Publius Syrus
Publilius
@@JesseFinkBooks Jesse, I take my spelling from looking at the actual inside title page of the 1856 English translation from the Latin, the marvelous book, The Moral Sayings of Publius Syrus (1856)
by Publius Syrus, translated by Darius Lyman.
I don't know why some use the spelling you do, whether an error that once created in a review, used it, and it has carried forward, but I see it often. On the other hand, perhaps a subsequent scholar identified the 1856 spelling was in error and uses the one you do; or, perhaps, as these things go, other ancient writers who referred to him in some work of their own used that alternate spelling you use. Who knows?
@@orlandofurioso7958 It's not an error or an alternate spelling. Publius is a corruption of Publilius
@@JesseFinkBooks I can't say this hasn't been fun. It has been.
ISBN-10: 1533620393
The Moral Sayings of Publius Syrus: A Roman Slave - Softcover, by Syrus, PUBLILIUS
ISBN-10: 1365287785
The Moral Sayings of Publius Syrus: a Roman Slave - Softcover, by Syrus, PUBLIUS
Take your pick. Oddly, even when he's identified as "Publilius," your pick, the book title still uses "Publius", my pick. Go figure my friend! It's Latin to me!
Now, if we had his birth certificate, that would settle it as to wherein rests the corruption. For example, a birth certificate for someone named "Don", when someone calls him, or refers to him as "Donald", is a corruption. On the other hand, if the certificate shows "Donald", and someone calls him, or refers to him as "Don" is a corruption.
is there solid documentation, other than popov saying so, that popov knew & relayed, PH information? particularly useful info, that u.s. didn't already have.
There is evidence, but whether it is solid is another matter. It is possible it got to Hoover but not FDR
Read Larry Loftis's book on Popov - plenty of documentation
@@JesseFinkBooks only if he has more info than everybody else who's written about popov & his mission to DC. is the "plenty of documentation" actual documents sourced from anyone other than popov?
i realize i haven't been clear about the issue with popov; it isn't that he didn't pass information to FBI, but, that it was generic information about japan's interest in military installations on oahu. not specifics of an attack, as some have put it. don't know if there was any intel/CI entity that didn't know japan was interested in U.S. Fleet's main forward base in the pacific.
Stephenson, Ellis and Roald Dahl all said it got to FDR
@@cladglas You should pick up the Loftis book on Popov and John Bryden's 'Fighting to Lose'. Loftis writes: 'Connelley sent to Hoover a 12-page letter recapping the discussion' he'd had with Popov. The documentation is in the book. Loftis concludes: 'As of August 19, 1941, then, almost four months before the Pearl Harbor attack, J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI were on notice of the German/Japanese interest in the Hawaiian naval base, and Dusko’s assignment to investigate its defences.’