Not to the level of quantity the US has lets be honest, we would be creamed 😂 Man for man british operators are as good as anyone on the planet and have proved time and time again they're the best also due to britain having more experience in war than pretty much anyone else. But our government has neglected our defence to the point if US wanted the UK as another state we would have very little say about it.
Absolutely, but I believe American & British forces are very close as they`ve trained together for decades, in another competition it could be American forces that win. Some of the comments here are dismissive of the US servicemens abilitys which is just crazy, they are a force to be reckoned with anywhere in the world & have proven it many times. UK forces are desperately small, almost criminally so to the extent that the Brits could be very glad of US numbers if things in the world go pear-shaped. Shout-out to Canadian, Australian & New Zealand troops too, forces to be relied upon.
@@edwardwilcox6606 Quite so. If both countries used their full capabilities in a mock war, Britain would be hopelessly overwhelmed. I'm far from certain that the Royal Marines are 'smaller, but better', they're just smaller. Most (at very least NATO) nation's Naval Infantry is going to be fairly 'badass' and capable of defeating a peer on a given day, especially if the numbers are levelled out, as they were in this operation. I wouldn't feel bad if we lost to them, though I would pretend to feel appalled if we had lost to the French (God forbid!) 🫡
@@edwardwilcox6606 Ah yes, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, three countries who are true allies who are always ready to fight by our side, are never late and don't have to be bribed either.
Very true that did happen with the Avro Vulcan used by the RAF. which was the bomber used during that exercise. To actually do that once was incredible but to do it twice was phenomenal.
didn't they have a redo in the 80s as well and it went even worse with Washington getting nuked along with several other cities? i remember they had 2 mass war games and the 2nd one was even more devastating than the first. Those 2 tests were critical in patching some pretty big holes that could be exploited.
The British Gurkhas have done this in exercises too. However, in Afgan the British Army held Helmand Province for years, but the Americans lost it in 6 months!
Remember American media and military complex accused us of losing it,when in fact we had to go back in to most dangerous places in middle east to retake it, initially US commanders thought were giving us impossible task😅
@@iandavies6575 British were pulled from operations because yanks as usual left huge armory behind, decided they wanted but didn't want send large force so large amount were taken from front line ,apart from Reagan and Trump , weaponry was more important especially when another nation armed forces doing dirty work,with Americans for whatever reason stopped handing over satellite photography,which at times after dismantling beach Brits and blind by satellite and anyone knows about IRAQ and middle east their sandstorms virtually impossible for us to see or coordinate with others, unfortunately after Brits destroyed their tunnels either Americans REcon who always forefront when taking over from small garrisoned force to hand over because weak political decisions, multi tude rebuilt tunnels,so unbeknown mass built up if weaponry and several groups combined and with half force pulled for other piss pot things Brits held it but lack of awareness and pampering US ,they knew situation we were left in only reason they went in was more surprised because they didn't expect Brits survive because they're hidden knowledge,anyone that has served in both forces , know American have death policy in WAR,if they think your not going survive your left to your own devices, amazing amount of so called friendly(,more deliberate save face)fire world class radios not longer good reception pin point cluster fuck exactly on own troops ,they'll come back round then hit enemies,but if you think US army and they're self imposed mythical forces went in full blooded to rescue Brits yeah after massive attack after attack held off all over province,they done out of media and allied fear of knowing truth ,if people are alive you can order them say nothing, Americans problem never bombed during war on mainland,spoonfed war films,Brits not even in Pacific war,though fighting japs over 2 years before response to pearl harbor,numbers and weaponry usually gives you victory in the end but with egotistical narcissistic arrogant officers and ncos unfortunately wasted lives only matter if media(when was fair) gets hold of it,look into facts because pointing at headlines never gives real or full picture
Every American veteran i have spoke to about working with the British military weather its training or active on a tour they have all said they would never want to go up against us as America might have the numbers but the British military is just different from all others
A training exercise between allies is a learning process for all involved...There is no winners or losers just overall better for performance when they work together in the future...You need you and your closest allies up to speed...That is the point........I'm UK
You should look into Operation Skyshield 1&2 in 1961&1962 where in an exercise Uk Vulcan bombers penetrated US air defences, (even tho all civilian and commercial aircraft were grounded.) and could have nuked Americans. Why was it done twice, the Americans thought the first time was a fluke. American kept this quiet, if USSR found out it could have been a different story.
Not first time kept quiet,in attack on bin laden home, Americans lost over half it's forces with helicopters crash , unfortunately gun ho attitude is weakness in Americans military mindset,but apparently unknown unreported helicopters were shadowing them, protecting outer boundaries and took charge of😮 operations after crash,but still gave American honour of killing bin laden, remember playing war games Argylls meant to defend against US rangers,after catching several trying sneak in to spy on us,two jeeps drove back rangers HQ went in command center captured All they're commanders including 3 star general,dressed as rangers,who pretend to be bit unkempt ,even in desert we keep as smart as possibly can,any squaddie will tell most important piece of military ware is your Boots,rangers orders were confusing because we ordered the chaos,yet with massive overwhelming forces ,an exercise that was us surrendering within 24 hours , battle ended within 3 hours we'd captured their camp and those not counted as a kill,rangers apparently were holding back because was raining 😂Brits are more surprised if it's dry😅 unbelievably tried put our major and officers and ncos under arrest saying we cheated😂 because no one expected us firstly to attack and their officers were waiting till rain stopped 🙆 thankfully 4 star US general overseeing operations knew what we were like and didn't like arrogant 3 star general who wanted kudos rather than just observe thought was easy victory,but enemies don't wait for each others schedule,2 stars taken from him and we were warned not talk to anyone about it save them face and was wiped from records,worked with many Americans working with British forces,from special forces to US Marines, everyone of them said they preferred professionalism but stricter of Brits and how don't second guess orders have faith in their officers and ncos especially were as some of utmost disrespect and arguing with their officers quite shocking to us,though many individuals are excellent troops in US forces,the quiet joke was lucky have numbers and equipment but more importantly many nukes,not good sign arguments with commanders,they were also stunned no matter what we did in any given day,it was sometimes like back in training called out on guard duty every hour from midnight till morning for colour sgt have us on parade and look spick and span especially boots,but out of All I'm glad gurkha's on our side and Israelis and Americans are our greatest allies, disgraceful way Marxist labour treating Israel,despite over half our equipment nowadays only works because of Israeli technology,if they retaliate we're fucked🇬🇧🇺🇸🇮🇱German forces ok buts cos we trained them specifically snipers after Munich,French foreign used be great when Scots and English were biggest groups in it unfortunately 75% African troops went downhill, maybe old saying if American mainland was bombed during war might have different mindset,though I've family ex US Marines combat veterans,still glad they're on our side but strange UK and US are poorest quality when labour and Democrats in power🤔✌️🇬🇧🇺🇸🇮🇱
I remember back in the 80's we did a NATO exercise in Turkey, which included the American's. All they wanted to do during R&R was buy our kit from us. My mate sold his wash kit holder, for a US Marine dagger, $100 and 15 large cigars lol They were also including the Italians and Germans always trying to get teamed up with the Brits because we had the best scran and field kitchens out of all other countries, we even had a huge field bakery set up.
Remember the British marines are the original marines and the absolute best and the training I don’t think Americans could do, don’t get me started on sas training 😂
I like that.... Thank you for sharing, it means a lot to me knowing our boys are good at trolling as well..... I wonder if that's part of their training?
The Royal Marines are about to celebrate their 360th anniversary this October. They've had the commando role since ww2. The recruit training lasts 32 weeks The officer training lasts 64 weeks.
@@Zymon-dm7cv NOT AS GOOD AS ROYAL MAUREENS??? Are you PISSED? When did you last hear of Para Regt surrendering? After 70% casualties in Arnhem. Last recorded message.." Out of ammunition, God Save The King." RM, surrendered in the Falklands ZERO % casualties. Straits of Hormuz ZERO % casualties.
US marines are all talk the talk. Rely on overwhelming numbers. Royal Marines have less rely on training and tactical awareness to get the job done. The results are no suprise.
I remember hearing about an enemy contact in Afghanistan involving a British army motar platoon. After action intelligence said the Afghans believed there was over 1000 soldiers on this ridge because of the amount of effective fire they put down range. The motar platoon was 40 men! Not 1000
Lets just be glad the UK and US and lots of other Nato allies are "Brothers in arms" In this current world we need each other shouldn't matter who is the biggest or best lets just keep working together folks. I thank all for their service current and past conflicts.
I was Welsh Guard. Trust me when I say, British training trumps American training all day long. I've done a few exercises against American Military and we basically beat them in every aspect. Yeah you guys have the overwhelming manpower but that doesn't work against us 🤷
America will have gained much more by losing this than winning. I'm reminded of that exercise where a Scandinavian submarine that silently penetrated a US carrier group and sunk the carrier... The US then leased the sub from them and no doubt learned all kinds of new and useful things. Bleed in training, survive in war.
Defenders always have the advantage if they are alert to a threat, attackers without the element of surprise will fail unless they have superior firepower or numbers.
STOP comparing the Royal Marines to USMC- they are completely different. US Marines are naval infantry. The Royals are an elite corps that specialise in raiding, infiltration, demolition, rock climbs, skiing, artic and jungle warfare, living off the land, unarmed combat etc etc. The only thing the Royals and USMC share in common is the word, 'Marine' in their respective titles. The Royals complete the longest basic training course in the world- 32 weeks compared to 13 weeks for the USMC. British infantry of the line do a longer basic training than the USMC. The closest unit the US has to the Royals are the US Rangers- and they were trained by the Commando's during WW2.
And the R/marines STILL surrender rather than get the safety off. The length of course is ALL I ever hear about the cabbageheads. So an Army catering Corps course is padded out to 40 weeks by having an advanced omelette course and so THEY are the best in Britain eh? utter SHITE. Royal Marines couldnt keep up with 3 Para in the Falklands. Royal Marines surrendered to a bunch of ragheads in 50 cal armed war canoes in the straits of Hormuz with a Brit warship just over the horizon and a Brit chopper overhead!!! EMBARRASSING.... Ex 2 Para 74-97.
I'd say the US Rangers are the nearest comparison to British paratroopers. Royals are more of a Tier 2 outfit and nearest comparison would be Navy SEALs. SAS vs Delta and SBS vs SEAL team 6
@@sherman4970 As I have highlighted- Royal Marines are a completely different type of soldier to the USMC- who are basically naval infantry. The Royals have a far greater range of skills and their role is significantly different. They are NOT the same thing......
Not only do the UK troops out-perform US troops so does the Air Force. Check out the Red Flag exercise where the Buccaneer aircraft destroyed all the US Fighters.
Didn't the buccaneers get through undetected a couple of times before they were identified only by the sand and dust being blown up as they were flying so low... Once identified the defenders missiles couldn't differentiate the buccaneers from the terrain long enough to achieve and hold lock on to intercept and halt the buccaneers assault. Those amazing pilots must have had total confidence in the aircraft 💪🇬🇧👍 ua-cam.com/video/qhV2Lo3fnZQ/v-deo.htmlsi=D-v0Awu3hamxzzFu
I heard that a harrier dropped a wooden bomb on the deck of an American war ship turned to the bridge dipped the front as a nod then just fucked off...... That's how we do shit and that's why the muricans bought the harrier from us... Two birds one plane!
Ultimately, we stand united as allies, and these exercises ensure that, should our troops be called upon to deploy, our chances of success are significantly enhanced. Each of us will play an essential role when necessary, irrespective of our country of origin.
I think the reason so many people from the US find it difficult to believe that the UK military has the reputation that it has, is really down to movies. In every single war movie/tv series people over there have ever seen in their lives, the Yanks march in, all muscle and snarls & kookie humour, & win the day.😊 An entire lifetime of this, coupled with the complete absence of all the other Allies in these movies, doesn't quite prepare anyone for the concept of 'quaint' ,'proper' ole Brits knowing which way round to hold a bayonet. 😂😂 (In our war movies a soldier comes home to find his wife up the duff, the romantic lead gets killed, & the nice old granny with a twinkle in her eye has a heart attack & dies, queuing up for her rations. ☺☺)
There is no point in comparing these two forces. The Royal Marines are an elite force that the British special forces like to recruit from. They take a lot of stopping, the trick is seeing them coming early enough to avoid having your ass handed to you as a surprise. Cutting of the head of this snake is a waste of energy, they are all the head of the snake. The US Marines are somewhere between naval troops, a rapid reaction force and a small, self contained combined arms force that can deliver itself right up the ass of whatever bad guy is pissing off their country. They are renowned for carrying the fight with whatever they have to hand that works, even if it's just a sharp stick and some salty language. These two forces are very different.
So cool. Your absolutely right about about everyone learning from this engagement. When we all come together we will be so much stronger also shows how huge US forces are that compromised a complete side of tye mock battle against everyone else. Love that we have such capable allies too . All of them will learn
The new littoral battle groups are a leap forward in combined arms. Tactics and assets deployment. Aka all arms. Eric Winkle Brown rip, was an exponent of the model. It's what we tried to do in the falklands ad hoc. Xx
As a former 'Bootneck' used to proudly tell us. There's the USMC - U.S Marine Corps, then there's the R.M - Real Marines! (The late, great 'Randy' Pearson RIP)
It helps that we can apply from the age of 16. In fact I started as early as 13 when I joined the royal Anglian’s army cadets till I was 17. Worked my way up to staff sergeant within the cadets before joining sandhurst army college.
Very few reach the levels of becoming a royal marine , it takes a special mentality combined with top end physicality mostly but not always . Mental single mindedness focus ! Is key . Americans are often impressed that Royal Marines will question a bad plan and take time to rethink it
If there's anybody here who hasn't seen it yet I recommend the Jeremy Clarkson documentary "the greatest raid of them all". The commandos raid in the dock at St Nazere was an audacious raid behind enemy lines that earned more VCs than any other action of WWII.
@@pdevs1966 Men of Harloc, can you hear them? [Something something] with their pennants gleaming, to this battlefield! [Something (about leeks?)] Welshmen will not yield! 🫡
Only fighting for a ue best looking sheep! Only joking..... They are all lovely! I'm English by the way but my family are Welsh so I get this shit all the time. It's just nice to throw it for once!
People think military size in numbers is a must win!!!NO best eg 10,000s of Iraqi soldiers were surrendering to smaller coalition forces, experience and quality are the key
It's a great way to train because it makes all these allied forces more effective should they ever need to work together and multiplies the the hurt that smaller forces can inflict
RM and US marines are not comparable, training is very different, RM are more akin to tier 2 special forces, whereas US marines are really just their navies infantry, so the outcome isn't really surprising!!
The royal marines were always going to do well. The train in a variety of locations. Artic. Jungle, desert and european. The idea is that they know how to fight anywhere. They are dangerous in a number of ways, but are ultimately a thinking soldier. This makes them very adaptable. The usmc, by comparison are normal troops who are attached to the navy. Not the same at all.
I know the word Marines is in the title of both forces. However they operate completely differently. We’re one of the elite branches of the UK armed forces. Amphibious sure, but able to operate independently. That’s where the Commando element comes from.
Long one but bare with, I worked on ex USAF Greenham common after it was decommissioned, a customer, ex UKSF told us he was here in the eighties but got into trouble with his seniors and caused a low impact international incident, the commander of the then USAF Greenham common had been very vocal about how impenetrable and secure the base was, the customer heard this and took umbridge to his statement, so as part of a "training exercise" they LALO jumped into the base and set up a FOB on the longest runway in Europe to wave at the US sentry's with cups of tea in hand as the sun came up, his whole squad spent a week in the cells on site whilst butts were kissed and apologies were made! But ultimately proved the base wasn't as secure as the commander had boasted!
USMC are good no question. Royal Marines are a much smaller outfit geared for amphibious and onland Commando operations. Cant compare them really. Selection and Training for RM and getting that green beret is challenging. My fathers brother served in the Royal Marines.
Opeation Sky Shield and Sky Shield II showed the superiority of the British Air Force over the US Air Force (at the time, at least), when they were able to "nuke" America twice. So, it's certainly not the first time the Brits have outdone the Americans in training exercises.
Note that Royal Marines and US Marines are not created equal, sharing only the term “marine” in their names! All Royal Marines are commando trained, undergoing 32w “basic” training compared with only 12w for USMC. The further trained elite US MARSOC or Force Recon, and general SEAL teams are more on par with Royal Marines Commandos.
The Royal Marines are definitely NO push overs they are a bit Nutty but good, and the Training is one of the hardest in the world,Quiet Tuff. and Long i know its based in Dartmoor in Devon.
The very first appearance of a marine was the brain child of henry 8th as he formed the very early bssis of the royal navy he wanted doldiers to protect the ship while the sailors sailed the ship lots of other countrys have since established their own marines
As mentioned elsewhere here in the comments, the UK got through the US air defences to "nuke" them in another training exercise. There is video about it on UA-cam which I recommend that you seek out and do a reaction to.
It's not really a fair comparison. The US Marine Corp are (for the most part) regular soldiers with better training. The Royal Marine Commandos are elite forces, VERY highly trained and specialised in using smaller numbers to cut supply lines, keep the enemy off balance, operate in terrain regular soldiers would have difficulty dealing with. A better comparison would be the US Marines attempts to clear out Iraq's only deep water port (al quds?) from stay behind insurgents versus the Royal Marines who were sent in after a week of faliure.
I was misguided by signs in the area north of Barstow and probably drove through the 29 Palms training area at night, in a rental car some decades ago.
They say one U.K. marine to 10 U.S. marines... also 2 U.S.Virginia class subs couldn't find a U.K. Astute class sub off the coast America the Astute class kept one step ahead of them..
The video is somewhat exaggerated as there were more than just one exercise during the five days, but yes, one of the exercises concluded with a last minute US assault which was repelled, leaving the Royal Marines in control of over 65 per cent of the entire area, having started with less than 20 per cent. Regardless, well done to the United States Marine Corps, the British Royal Marines with 40 Commando, the Netherland Marine Corp, Canadian and United Arab Emirates forces.
Sidenote: Back in the 60's or 70's, America invited our Airforce to participate in a military exercise about the USA air defense system, first time around we got 1 nuclear bomber through the defense.... Ya'll invited us back the next year and we still got 1 through the defense system..... Both years we only sent 8 planes in. We could have devastated your nation (not that you guys couldnt do it back, tbh, Much love to my american allies) if we sent more than the 8....
To be honest the Royal Marine Commandos and United States Marine Corps are trained in totally different ways. A Royal Marine Commando is probably comparable to a US Marine serving with Force Recon.
The Royal Navy used to be hard as nails, even recruits at 15 years old would climb a 150 foot mast, with no safety net; then there was the gun race, the RM are the Navy's soldiers. Then wokeness set in!
I'm sorry about my fellow Brits "chest puffing". The truth is that no matter who comes out on top during these exercises nobody loses. Both sides learn how to do things better. The biggest difference between US & UK forces is that the UK has always been on the back foot & has had to adapt to having a smaller & less equipped military forcing us to become experts in small unit tactics, but the US has the numbers & equipment. We need both in almost all wars which is why we make a good team. A 4 man SAS unit can do a considerable amount of damage & intel gathering, but sometimes you just need a good old fashioned "smash the shit out of it" tactic.
@@britishpatriot7386 I can see by your profile picture that you are a true patriot. So am I, but you have to understand that not everyone has the same ability to know the difference between banter and insult like we brits do.
You mean like in Iran.? Trying to rescue, your diplomats and marine ? Or in Kabul! When the Brits saved USA arses, o r in Libya, Mogadishu, Bay of Pigs , or when you were chased out of N Korea, I will pass on USA attempts in Vietnam! But shout out to the Aussie, and Kiwi guys that showed the USA, how to act, as a fighting force
British quality beats American quantity.
The 7 P's 🏴⚜️
FACTS
The Royal Marines are an elite force with one of the longest and most intense selection and training programmes
Not to the level of quantity the US has lets be honest, we would be creamed 😂
Man for man british operators are as good as anyone on the planet and have proved time and time again they're the best also due to britain having more experience in war than pretty much anyone else.
But our government has neglected our defence to the point if US wanted the UK as another state we would have very little say about it.
@@InterYamahat least we don't give billions of dollars worth of modern weaponry to our sworn enemies then run off leaving people behind.
There is zero shame in being defeated by the Royal Marines.
Absolutely, but I believe American & British forces are very close as they`ve trained together for decades, in another competition it could be American forces that win. Some of the comments here are dismissive of the US servicemens abilitys which is just crazy, they are a force to be reckoned with anywhere in the world & have proven it many times. UK forces are desperately small, almost criminally so to the extent that the Brits could be very glad of US numbers if things in the world go pear-shaped. Shout-out to Canadian, Australian & New Zealand troops too, forces to be relied upon.
@@edwardwilcox6606 Quite so. If both countries used their full capabilities in a mock war, Britain would be hopelessly overwhelmed. I'm far from certain that the Royal Marines are 'smaller, but better', they're just smaller. Most (at very least NATO) nation's Naval Infantry is going to be fairly 'badass' and capable of defeating a peer on a given day, especially if the numbers are levelled out, as they were in this operation. I wouldn't feel bad if we lost to them, though I would pretend to feel appalled if we had lost to the French (God forbid!) 🫡
@@charleshowie2074🤣absolutely,there are acceptable limits.
@@edwardwilcox6606 Ah yes, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, three countries who are true allies who are always ready to fight by our side, are never late and don't have to be bribed either.
Royal marine are on another level. Us marines are awesome but can’t compare them both
Let's just be glad we're on the same side. Stronger together 💪 from a proud scotsman!
I agree with you there scotty from down south many respects
Britain taught American everything America Knows not everything Britain knows 😂
The British are no joke ..... Glad we are all on the same team though . Together we are stronger 💪
The British elite forces are the best in the world, that's why the British train others!
Something we need to stop doing.
@@Roz-y2dI taught you everything you know, but not everything I know....
@@Roz-y2dyou think we told them EVERYTHING? Yea right
@@InterYamah In the arms industry And operations? Know nought son.
@@InterYamah I’m glad to hear it!
When you keep telling yourself that you are the best there is, you never get better and things like this happen.
We’re a small country, but when it comes to getting a job done, we’ll do it! Never underestimate us. 💪💪💪
Occupying us would be painful and pointless task,no matter sizes of enemies forces✌️
And let's remember when the brits nuked America twice in war games in the 60s.
Never used nukes the only country to ever use nukes are America
Very true that did happen with the Avro Vulcan used by the RAF. which was the bomber used during that exercise. To actually do that once was incredible but to do it twice was phenomenal.
didn't they have a redo in the 80s as well and it went even worse with Washington getting nuked along with several other cities?
i remember they had 2 mass war games and the 2nd one was even more devastating than the first. Those 2 tests were critical in patching some pretty big holes that could be exploited.
This was after the US claimed their air defences were "99% effective"
Yes we did 🏴
To be fair the Royal Marines are a tier 2 force second only to Tier 1 SAS,SBS so they'd be more equally matched to say US rangers etc
The British Gurkhas have done this in exercises too. However, in Afgan the British Army held Helmand Province for years, but
the Americans lost it in 6 months!
Remember American media and military complex accused us of losing it,when in fact we had to go back in to most dangerous places in middle east to retake it, initially US commanders thought were giving us impossible task😅
@@DavidDickson-b7l Not really, British army had to be rescued in Iraq by the yanks
@@iandavies6575 British were pulled from operations because yanks as usual left huge armory behind, decided they wanted but didn't want send large force so large amount were taken from front line ,apart from Reagan and Trump , weaponry was more important especially when another nation armed forces doing dirty work,with Americans for whatever reason stopped handing over satellite photography,which at times after dismantling beach Brits and blind by satellite and anyone knows about IRAQ and middle east their sandstorms virtually impossible for us to see or coordinate with others, unfortunately after Brits destroyed their tunnels either Americans REcon who always forefront when taking over from small garrisoned force to hand over because weak political decisions, multi tude rebuilt tunnels,so unbeknown mass built up if weaponry and several groups combined and with half force pulled for other piss pot things Brits held it but lack of awareness and pampering US ,they knew situation we were left in only reason they went in was more surprised because they didn't expect Brits survive because they're hidden knowledge,anyone that has served in both forces , know American have death policy in WAR,if they think your not going survive your left to your own devices, amazing amount of so called friendly(,more deliberate save face)fire world class radios not longer good reception pin point cluster fuck exactly on own troops ,they'll come back round then hit enemies,but if you think US army and they're self imposed mythical forces went in full blooded to rescue Brits yeah after massive attack after attack held off all over province,they done out of media and allied fear of knowing truth ,if people are alive you can order them say nothing, Americans problem never bombed during war on mainland,spoonfed war films,Brits not even in Pacific war,though fighting japs over 2 years before response to pearl harbor,numbers and weaponry usually gives you victory in the end but with egotistical narcissistic arrogant officers and ncos unfortunately wasted lives only matter if media(when was fair) gets hold of it,look into facts because pointing at headlines never gives real or full picture
No, it was the other way round, Britain didn't have the manpower to hold it
Every American veteran i have spoke to about working with the British military weather its training or active on a tour they have all said they would never want to go up against us as America might have the numbers but the British military is just different from all others
Interesting to see the diff countries working together 👍 Salute to all who serve ❤
We are a small country, with a huge bite!
A training exercise between allies is a learning process for all involved...There is no winners or losers just overall better for performance when they work together in the future...You need you and your closest allies up to speed...That is the point........I'm UK
We help each other get better, training is crucial, competition is crucial, every soldier will say his regiment is best
Don't forget; the Royal Marines were formed in October 1664 so the US Marines are undoubtedly the new boys......
There's an old saying, A new broom sweeps clean! but the old one knows every corner! ......you can't beat experience 👑
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@@bricktop2090do you know what nemesis means?
@@InterYamahYeah
Poor loser
@@InterYamahA righteous form of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent, personified on this occasion by A FKIN ROYAL MARINE 😂
You should look into Operation Skyshield 1&2 in 1961&1962 where in an exercise Uk Vulcan bombers penetrated US air defences, (even tho all civilian and commercial aircraft were grounded.) and could have nuked Americans. Why was it done twice, the Americans thought the first time was a fluke. American kept this quiet, if USSR found out it could have been a different story.
And Great Britain kept quiet to protect the US. That’s always forgotten!
Not first time kept quiet,in attack on bin laden home, Americans lost over half it's forces with helicopters crash , unfortunately gun ho attitude is weakness in Americans military mindset,but apparently unknown unreported helicopters were shadowing them, protecting outer boundaries and took charge of😮 operations after crash,but still gave American honour of killing bin laden, remember playing war games Argylls meant to defend against US rangers,after catching several trying sneak in to spy on us,two jeeps drove back rangers HQ went in command center captured All they're commanders including 3 star general,dressed as rangers,who pretend to be bit unkempt ,even in desert we keep as smart as possibly can,any squaddie will tell most important piece of military ware is your Boots,rangers orders were confusing because we ordered the chaos,yet with massive overwhelming forces ,an exercise that was us surrendering within 24 hours , battle ended within 3 hours we'd captured their camp and those not counted as a kill,rangers apparently were holding back because was raining 😂Brits are more surprised if it's dry😅 unbelievably tried put our major and officers and ncos under arrest saying we cheated😂 because no one expected us firstly to attack and their officers were waiting till rain stopped 🙆 thankfully 4 star US general overseeing operations knew what we were like and didn't like arrogant 3 star general who wanted kudos rather than just observe thought was easy victory,but enemies don't wait for each others schedule,2 stars taken from him and we were warned not talk to anyone about it save them face and was wiped from records,worked with many Americans working with British forces,from special forces to US Marines, everyone of them said they preferred professionalism but stricter of Brits and how don't second guess orders have faith in their officers and ncos especially were as some of utmost disrespect and arguing with their officers quite shocking to us,though many individuals are excellent troops in US forces,the quiet joke was lucky have numbers and equipment but more importantly many nukes,not good sign arguments with commanders,they were also stunned no matter what we did in any given day,it was sometimes like back in training called out on guard duty every hour from midnight till morning for colour sgt have us on parade and look spick and span especially boots,but out of All I'm glad gurkha's on our side and Israelis and Americans are our greatest allies, disgraceful way Marxist labour treating Israel,despite over half our equipment nowadays only works because of Israeli technology,if they retaliate we're fucked🇬🇧🇺🇸🇮🇱German forces ok buts cos we trained them specifically snipers after Munich,French foreign used be great when Scots and English were biggest groups in it unfortunately 75% African troops went downhill, maybe old saying if American mainland was bombed during war might have different mindset,though I've family ex US Marines combat veterans,still glad they're on our side but strange UK and US are poorest quality when labour and Democrats in power🤔✌️🇬🇧🇺🇸🇮🇱
British have the guality America has the money
It stated that it was British and Dutch marines. A mate of mine who served as a RM commando told me the Dutch marines are very, very, very good.
I have been told that as well
I remember back in the 80's we did a NATO exercise in Turkey, which included the American's. All they wanted to do during R&R was buy our kit from us. My mate sold his wash kit holder, for a US Marine dagger, $100 and 15 large cigars lol They were also including the Italians and Germans always trying to get teamed up with the Brits because we had the best scran and field kitchens out of all other countries, we even had a huge field bakery set up.
Port Stanley, Falkland Islands during the Falkland war. Have a look into what these guys did. It’s legendary.
Best trained fighting force in the world. The ENTIRETY of the British military
Remember the British marines are the original marines and the absolute best and the training I don’t think Americans could do, don’t get me started on sas training 😂
Cousins playing, it’s all good
Its reminder in Afghanistan US special forces had sign "second to none" so SAS put sign up saying"NONE"😊
they Stole the Coldstream guards motto? thieving Yanks 😏
The USMC have a motto that says 'First to fight' but it should really say 'First to first after the rest of the world has already joined in'!
I like that.... Thank you for sharing, it means a lot to me knowing our boys are good at trolling as well..... I wonder if that's part of their training?
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A motto stolen from the Coldstream guards
The Royal Marines are about to celebrate their 360th anniversary this October.
They've had the commando role since ww2.
The recruit training lasts 32 weeks
The officer training lasts 64 weeks.
Royal marine's forced U.S. marine's to surrender..... TBF its a good job it was Royal marine's & not the Paras
Ooooooo. Had a pal who might drop out of the sky and gut you for that one. Unfortunately he paid the ultimate price and is no longer with us. 😢
@joe2tonepringle352 or the SAS/SBS
You must not know of the Paras then may not be as good but still harder training then U.S. marines proven fact
@@Zymon-dm7cv NOT AS GOOD AS ROYAL MAUREENS??? Are you PISSED? When did you last hear of Para Regt surrendering? After 70% casualties in Arnhem. Last recorded message.." Out of ammunition, God Save The King." RM, surrendered in the Falklands ZERO % casualties. Straits of Hormuz ZERO % casualties.
@@peterstubbs5934 it’s Royal Marines and yes the Royal Marine commandos are better by far if I say so myself they do harder training by far
In these types of exrcises, it doesnt matter in the end who wins or loses the exercise. It is about learning from each other and integration.
US marines are all talk the talk. Rely on overwhelming numbers. Royal Marines have less rely on training and tactical awareness to get the job done. The results are no suprise.
We’ve got a dangerous mix of intelligence and bravery
The idea of these excerises are to learn from each other and how to interoperate with each other! Still proud of our RM's , second to none!
I remember hearing about an enemy contact in Afghanistan involving a British army motar platoon. After action intelligence said the Afghans believed there was over 1000 soldiers on this ridge because of the amount of effective fire they put down range. The motar platoon was 40 men! Not 1000
Lets just be glad the UK and US and lots of other Nato allies are "Brothers in arms" In this current world we need each other shouldn't matter who is the biggest or best lets just keep working together folks. I thank all for their service current and past conflicts.
I was Welsh Guard. Trust me when I say, British training trumps American training all day long. I've done a few exercises against American Military and we basically beat them in every aspect. Yeah you guys have the overwhelming manpower but that doesn't work against us 🤷
Cymru am Byth ⚜️🏴⚜️
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America will have gained much more by losing this than winning. I'm reminded of that exercise where a Scandinavian submarine that silently penetrated a US carrier group and sunk the carrier... The US then leased the sub from them and no doubt learned all kinds of new and useful things. Bleed in training, survive in war.
Defenders always have the advantage if they are alert to a threat, attackers without the element of surprise will fail unless they have superior firepower or numbers.
STOP comparing the Royal Marines to USMC- they are completely different. US Marines are naval infantry. The Royals are an elite corps that specialise in raiding, infiltration, demolition, rock climbs, skiing, artic and jungle warfare, living off the land, unarmed combat etc etc. The only thing the Royals and USMC share in common is the word, 'Marine' in their respective titles. The Royals complete the longest basic training course in the world- 32 weeks compared to 13 weeks for the USMC. British infantry of the line do a longer basic training than the USMC. The closest unit the US has to the Royals are the US Rangers- and they were trained by the Commando's during WW2.
And the R/marines STILL surrender rather than get the safety off. The length of course is ALL I ever hear about the cabbageheads. So an Army catering Corps course is padded out to 40 weeks by having an advanced omelette course and so THEY are the best in Britain eh? utter SHITE. Royal Marines couldnt keep up with 3 Para in the Falklands. Royal Marines surrendered to a bunch of ragheads in 50 cal armed war canoes in the straits of Hormuz with a Brit warship just over the horizon and a Brit chopper overhead!!! EMBARRASSING.... Ex 2 Para 74-97.
True to an extent, but they are both Amphibious forces, it's just that the Royal Marines are a smaller more focussed and therefore specialised force.
I'd say the US Rangers are the nearest comparison to British paratroopers. Royals are more of a Tier 2 outfit and nearest comparison would be Navy SEALs. SAS vs Delta and SBS vs SEAL team 6
Royal “MARINE”…it’s in the title!!!
@@sherman4970 As I have highlighted- Royal Marines are a completely different type of soldier to the USMC- who are basically naval infantry. The Royals have a far greater range of skills and their role is significantly different. They are NOT the same thing......
Proud to be British! Military top tier with lack of funding 👏🏻 yanks will always be our brothers tho 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
That’s because RM are special whereas the US are lots!
Not only do the UK troops out-perform US troops so does the Air Force. Check out the Red Flag exercise where the Buccaneer aircraft destroyed all the US Fighters.
Didn't the buccaneers get through undetected a couple of times before they were identified only by the sand and dust being blown up as they were flying so low... Once identified the defenders missiles couldn't differentiate the buccaneers from the terrain long enough to achieve and hold lock on to intercept and halt the buccaneers assault.
Those amazing pilots must have had total confidence in the aircraft 💪🇬🇧👍
ua-cam.com/video/qhV2Lo3fnZQ/v-deo.htmlsi=D-v0Awu3hamxzzFu
I heard that a harrier dropped a wooden bomb on the deck of an American war ship turned to the bridge dipped the front as a nod then just fucked off...... That's how we do shit and that's why the muricans bought the harrier from us...
Two birds one plane!
@@johnnycrinkle That's the bucc for you, wheels off the runway, wheels up, descend to attack altitude, lol 😂
Ultimately, we stand united as allies, and these exercises ensure that, should our troops be called upon to deploy, our chances of success are significantly enhanced. Each of us will play an essential role when necessary, irrespective of our country of origin.
I think the reason so many people from the US find it difficult to believe that the UK military has the reputation that it has, is really down to movies. In every single war movie/tv series people over there have ever seen in their lives, the Yanks march in, all muscle and snarls & kookie humour, & win the day.😊 An entire lifetime of this, coupled with the complete absence of all the other Allies in these movies, doesn't quite prepare anyone for the concept of 'quaint' ,'proper' ole Brits knowing which way round to hold a bayonet. 😂😂
(In our war movies a soldier comes home to find his wife up the duff, the romantic lead gets killed, & the nice old granny with a twinkle in her eye has a heart attack & dies, queuing up for her rations. ☺☺)
Honest reaction mate.
There is no point in comparing these two forces. The Royal Marines are an elite force that the British special forces like to recruit from. They take a lot of stopping, the trick is seeing them coming early enough to avoid having your ass handed to you as a surprise. Cutting of the head of this snake is a waste of energy, they are all the head of the snake.
The US Marines are somewhere between naval troops, a rapid reaction force and a small, self contained combined arms force that can deliver itself right up the ass of whatever bad guy is pissing off their country. They are renowned for carrying the fight with whatever they have to hand that works, even if it's just a sharp stick and some salty language.
These two forces are very different.
So cool. Your absolutely right about about everyone learning from this engagement. When we all come together we will be so much stronger also shows how huge US forces are that compromised a complete side of tye mock battle against everyone else. Love that we have such capable allies too . All of them will learn
Definitely check out Fred Dibnah takes down a chimney brick by brick. Fred is a British national treasure.
Hahaha, yeah I’m with you on that! When he’s climbing those ladders, my arse was twitching just looking.
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@@Nttmf I shat myself seeing that haha
The new littoral battle groups are a leap forward in combined arms. Tactics and assets deployment. Aka all arms.
Eric Winkle Brown rip, was an exponent of the model. It's what we tried to do in the falklands ad hoc. Xx
As a former 'Bootneck' used to proudly tell us. There's the USMC - U.S Marine Corps, then there's the R.M - Real Marines! (The late, great 'Randy' Pearson RIP)
America BRAG Britain DON'T
It helps that we can apply from the age of 16. In fact I started as early as 13 when I joined the royal Anglian’s army cadets till I was 17. Worked my way up to staff sergeant within the cadets before joining sandhurst army college.
I remember reading about this in the newspaper.
Take a look at how the commandos were formed. The Royal Marines are different gear.
British Royal Marines are UK special forces, not the same as the US Marines.
They dont make up british SF. They may support like the SFSG Paras but not classed as SF
Thankfully, both are top notch now!🇬🇧🇺🇸
Weve been waring for littelally melenia..... You learn a few things along the way.
Shock and awe doest work with us.
The British marines are the same standard as your green berets..... US marines are just standard infantry troops
You mean your green berets are the same standard as the Royal Marines
The difference is Royal marines are commandos not just marines
Very few reach the levels of becoming a royal marine , it takes a special mentality combined with top end physicality mostly but not always .
Mental single mindedness focus ! Is key .
Americans are often impressed that Royal Marines will question a bad plan and take time to rethink it
If there's anybody here who hasn't seen it yet I recommend the Jeremy Clarkson documentary "the greatest raid of them all". The commandos raid in the dock at St Nazere was an audacious raid behind enemy lines that earned more VCs than any other action of WWII.
Please.. let there never be a war!
We British , I'm Welsh born fighters m8
The crazy gang 🏴 🏴 🏴 😅
@@pdevs1966 Men of Harloc, can you hear them? [Something something] with their pennants gleaming, to this battlefield! [Something (about leeks?)] Welshmen will not yield!
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Only fighting for a ue best looking sheep!
Only joking..... They are all lovely!
I'm English by the way but my family are Welsh so I get this shit all the time. It's just nice to throw it for once!
None of you MFers watched Zulu? Fine. I'll show myself out 🤣
People think military size in numbers is a must win!!!NO best eg 10,000s of Iraqi soldiers were surrendering to smaller coalition forces, experience and quality are the key
It's a great way to train because it makes all these allied forces more effective should they ever need to work together and multiplies the the hurt that smaller forces can inflict
RM and US marines are not comparable, training is very different, RM are more akin to tier 2 special forces, whereas US marines are really just their navies infantry, so the outcome isn't really surprising!!
The royal marines were always going to do well. The train in a variety of locations. Artic. Jungle, desert and european. The idea is that they know how to fight anywhere. They are dangerous in a number of ways, but are ultimately a thinking soldier. This makes them very adaptable. The usmc, by comparison are normal troops who are attached to the navy. Not the same at all.
I know the word Marines is in the title of both forces. However they operate completely differently. We’re one of the elite branches of the UK armed forces. Amphibious sure, but able to operate independently. That’s where the Commando element comes from.
Long one but bare with, I worked on ex USAF Greenham common after it was decommissioned, a customer, ex UKSF told us he was here in the eighties but got into trouble with his seniors and caused a low impact international incident, the commander of the then USAF Greenham common had been very vocal about how impenetrable and secure the base was, the customer heard this and took umbridge to his statement, so as part of a "training exercise" they LALO jumped into the base and set up a FOB on the longest runway in Europe to wave at the US sentry's with cups of tea in hand as the sun came up, his whole squad spent a week in the cells on site whilst butts were kissed and apologies were made! But ultimately proved the base wasn't as secure as the commander had boasted!
The simple fact is, anybody who takes on the RM is going to lose. So no shade to the US on this one. Much as I'd like to.
These guys could be within 10 feet ( 3 metres ) of you and you wouldn’t know with their blend in and camouflage skills
USMC are good no question. Royal Marines are a much smaller outfit geared for amphibious and onland Commando operations. Cant compare them really. Selection and Training for RM and getting that green beret is challenging. My fathers brother served in the Royal Marines.
Opeation Sky Shield and Sky Shield II showed the superiority of the British Air Force over the US Air Force (at the time, at least), when they were able to "nuke" America twice. So, it's certainly not the first time the Brits have outdone the Americans in training exercises.
It’s called Royal Air Force. (RAF) Not British airforce.
The US Airforce is much larger.
Imagine if Britain had the military budget of America!
Note that Royal Marines and US Marines are not created equal, sharing only the term “marine” in their names!
All Royal Marines are commando trained, undergoing 32w “basic” training compared with only 12w for USMC. The further trained elite US MARSOC or Force Recon, and general SEAL teams are more on par with Royal Marines Commandos.
Quality greater than Quantity every time
The Royal Marines are definitely NO push overs they are a bit Nutty but good, and the Training is one of the hardest in the world,Quiet Tuff. and Long i know its based in Dartmoor in Devon.
The very first appearance of a marine was the brain child of henry 8th as he formed the very early bssis of the royal navy he wanted doldiers to protect the ship while the sailors sailed the ship lots of other countrys have since established their own marines
Imagine if Britain had a huge Marine Corps like America does!
As mentioned elsewhere here in the comments, the UK got through the US air defences to "nuke" them in another training exercise.
There is video about it on UA-cam which I recommend that you seek out and do a reaction to.
we were being nice.... . You dont really think US Marines would surrender....
Us marines ask god for help …. Royal Marines just need each other
Royal Marines are basically US Commandos, mainly because they need to be being a smaller country.
It's not really a fair comparison. The US Marine Corp are (for the most part) regular soldiers with better training. The Royal Marine Commandos are elite forces, VERY highly trained and specialised in using smaller numbers to cut supply lines, keep the enemy off balance, operate in terrain regular soldiers would have difficulty dealing with. A better comparison would be the US Marines attempts to clear out Iraq's only deep water port (al quds?) from stay behind insurgents versus the Royal Marines who were sent in after a week of faliure.
I was misguided by signs in the area north of Barstow and probably drove through the 29 Palms training area at night, in a rental car some decades ago.
Most Royal marine commando units are Tier 2, they should comfortably win that battle. For a more equal exercise, it should have been Navy seals
True
They say one U.K. marine to 10 U.S. marines... also 2 U.S.Virginia class subs couldn't find a U.K. Astute class sub off the coast America the Astute class kept one step ahead of them..
The video is somewhat exaggerated as there were more than just one exercise during the five days, but yes, one of the exercises concluded with a last minute US assault which was repelled, leaving the Royal Marines in control of over 65 per cent of the entire area, having started with less than 20 per cent.
Regardless, well done to the United States Marine Corps, the British Royal Marines with 40 Commando, the Netherland Marine Corp, Canadian and United Arab Emirates forces.
3:19 Thing is, they may not have messed up: you can make no mistakes and still be beaten.
Royal Marines are hardcore like SAS and the Paras 🫡🇬🇧 and that seemed to be a sharing of knowledge tactics and unification of military
Sidenote: Back in the 60's or 70's, America invited our Airforce to participate in a military exercise about the USA air defense system, first time around we got 1 nuclear bomber through the defense.... Ya'll invited us back the next year and we still got 1 through the defense system..... Both years we only sent 8 planes in. We could have devastated your nation (not that you guys couldnt do it back, tbh, Much love to my american allies) if we sent more than the 8....
To be honest the Royal Marine Commandos and United States Marine Corps are trained in totally different ways. A Royal Marine Commando is probably comparable to a US Marine serving with Force Recon.
Good comparison.
Remember, UK forces train for years before deployment.
The US forces only train for 3 months before deployment.
Any British unit would show the US how it's done 😂 we train the best soldiers in the world
I suggest checking out ‘the greatest raid of all’ and the cockleshell heroes
You should see if you can find an old documentary series called "sas the soldiers story" it was amazing
Al Murray “that’s why we are called Great Britain ,because when countries look at the list of their allies and see Britain they say oh Great Britain “
The Royal Navy used to be hard as nails, even recruits at 15 years old would climb a 150 foot mast, with no safety net; then there was the gun race, the RM are the Navy's soldiers. Then wokeness set in!
I'm sorry about my fellow Brits "chest puffing". The truth is that no matter who comes out on top during these exercises nobody loses. Both sides learn how to do things better.
The biggest difference between US & UK forces is that the UK has always been on the back foot & has had to adapt to having a smaller & less equipped military forcing us to become experts in small unit tactics, but the US has the numbers & equipment. We need both in almost all wars which is why we make a good team.
A 4 man SAS unit can do a considerable amount of damage & intel gathering, but sometimes you just need a good old fashioned "smash the shit out of it" tactic.
Oh my god how ridiculous 😂 have a day off, it's all banter stop crying about nothing.
@@britishpatriot7386 I can see by your profile picture that you are a true patriot. So am I, but you have to understand that not everyone has the same ability to know the difference between banter and insult like we brits do.
You mean like in Iran.? Trying to rescue, your diplomats and marine ? Or in Kabul! When the Brits saved USA arses, o r in Libya, Mogadishu, Bay of Pigs , or when you were chased out of N Korea, I will pass on USA attempts in Vietnam! But shout out to the Aussie, and Kiwi guys that showed the USA, how to act, as a fighting force
Horses for courses, we complement each other
Royal marines are more intensely trained than us marines
Luxembourg is NOT in the Californian desert!😂