Uncover Hidden Struggles of IAS Officers | Roman, Athar, Anu, Medha, Mayank | Perspective Ep 2.1

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  • @pathfinderias
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  • @naturalbeauties2667
    @naturalbeauties2667 Рік тому +139

    IAS anukumari mam is just gem. How calm and composed she is. The day she topped in civil services till today she is just amazing and iconic personality.
    She is so practical, no fake glorifying thoughts on upsc .
    Officer like her is luckiest to have

  • @ankurtagde7784
    @ankurtagde7784 Рік тому +133

    Please Invite,
    Anudeep durishetty, Akshat jain, Divya mittal and srushti deshmukh/tina dabi It would be a 100% wonderful discussion!

  • @aditi7151
    @aditi7151 Рік тому +45

    Uff , Anu ma'am is glowing differently... She is so composed and looks satisfied with what she is doing ❤

  • @purbashreesaikia5419
    @purbashreesaikia5419 Рік тому +423

    Please invite Anudeep sir he is an inspiration.

    • @faith7724
      @faith7724 Рік тому +1

      Mai bhi

    • @tanishsharma72
      @tanishsharma72 Рік тому +5

      Sahi m bhai sir ko bulana chaiye he is a inspiration for me ❤

    • @rituparnachatterjee7463
      @rituparnachatterjee7463 Рік тому +1

      I second you.😊

    • @shivanirathore291
      @shivanirathore291 Рік тому +1

      Yes pls invite anudeep sir he is very inspirational for me other than anu mam

    • @Diwakar1410-INDIA
      @Diwakar1410-INDIA Рік тому +1

      Hn yr wo tho aaj kll mail ka bi reply nhi dere h pta ni kaha lage pade h kaam me! Wait rahega unka tho

  • @bebo6392
    @bebo6392 Рік тому +18

    Anu kumari mam is so humble ....she is continuously giving priority to athar Amir sir

  • @abulhasan8584
    @abulhasan8584 Рік тому +137

    Please make another combination of some officers i.e mentioned below: IAS Ansar Shaikh + IPS Safin Hasan + Akshat Jain +Tina Dabi + Satyam Gandhi + Pradeep Singh.

  • @ScorpionsStation20
    @ScorpionsStation20 Рік тому +17

    The reason anu Kumari is so feminine yet strong Ias officer (which demands more masculine traits) is because she enhanced her feminity before marriage also after marriage she had kids and later only she joined services, so the essence of feminity has not yet left her. She is so sweet

  • @user-wl7hw7op3p
    @user-wl7hw7op3p Рік тому +41

    Please invite following people -
    - Anudeep Durishetty (AIR 1 2017)
    - Satyam Gandhi (AIR 10 2020)
    - Akshat Jain (AIR 2 2018)
    - Shubham Kumar (AIR 1 2020)
    - PRADEEP SINGH (AIR 26 2019)
    MANUJ JINDAL (AIR 53 2016)
    etc.
    A combo of senior bureaucrats with freshers would be commendable.

  • @itsokay2403
    @itsokay2403 Рік тому +61

    I really didn't like how Medha Mam clearly cut away from Anu mam so insensitively. Medha Mam is daughter of civil servant(that's why she is not relating to her though for upsc both have worked hard but still extra social pressure which middle class or lower class faces she is not so much aware of). While Anu mam struggled so much socially which reflects her point of view. Not all of us are having same environment. Some boys and girls are more vulnerable than their counter parts who are children of doctor or officers.

    • @chetnasingh7747
      @chetnasingh7747 Рік тому +7

      Exactly bs books se pdhkr gyan de rhi hain😅😅😅 kitna age bdh rhi hain girls ao gaon me dekho

    • @ASO_ASHISH
      @ASO_ASHISH Рік тому +1

      Medha mam ne inspire kiya, anu mam ne discourage kiya. Patriarchal society ne hi help kri unki ias banne me aur wo complain hi kr rhi hain avi v

    • @tamannasharma256
      @tamannasharma256 Місяць тому

      Kon kri h complain ​@@ASO_ASHISH

  • @AnkitaSinha-123
    @AnkitaSinha-123 Рік тому +156

    Kindly invite IFS officers as well..... it would be very insightful.

  • @Manish_1810
    @Manish_1810 Рік тому +10

    I can see social media taking a giant step in shaping the career of youths. "Perspective" like this enlightens the mind to introspect and become the best version of ourselves. It opens a wide horizon of how we can make our country prosper.
    Thanks Unacademy for such an entrepreneurship !!

  • @Pragya_453
    @Pragya_453 Рік тому +59

    Athar sir is very much conscious about his words❤

    • @cinebuzzer9273
      @cinebuzzer9273 Рік тому +8

      Yeah the kind of secularism he holds into the service on duty using religious words like 'Inshaallah'...

    • @akshaydeepthakur9929
      @akshaydeepthakur9929 Рік тому

      @@cinebuzzer9273

    • @devishapareek2273
      @devishapareek2273 Рік тому +22

      ​@@cinebuzzer9273 intolerance at peak

    • @Gorusuur
      @Gorusuur Рік тому +12

      ​@@cinebuzzer9273 what's the big deal? Why so pissed off?

    • @cinebuzzer9273
      @cinebuzzer9273 Рік тому +7

      @@Gorusuur thats the real probl. Na that its not a big deal for u.. The way u came and tryn to defend him.. You must knw where u r.. This is the country where secularism lies.. Dont come and shit with your religious sentiments here.. I was talking about on duty case, i m not personal to him..

  • @manishasain2034
    @manishasain2034 Рік тому +26

    The perspective of all the officers is based on their experiences and that open up the mind of aspirants...all officers work harder to develop a good liveable society....I love this session..n roman sir is great from his thinking looks and color doesn't matter at all....

  • @mohangirase129
    @mohangirase129 Рік тому +42

    Lucky to have studied with Ather Amir at Vajiram and Philosophy Patanjali in same batch. He is phenomenal.

  • @ambitious786
    @ambitious786 Рік тому +6

    Athar Aamir Khan sir & Mrs Anu kumari mam such a most brilliant civil servants 🥰

  • @manojmishra3862
    @manojmishra3862 Рік тому +12

    Beech beech me Roman sir ka sarcastic look wala comment is above all expressions 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @vecna7523
    @vecna7523 Рік тому +10

    Gaurav Sir and Junaid Bhai Round Table Conference was another level.
    I enjoyed that one better

  • @Shubhmore00
    @Shubhmore00 Рік тому +3

    Everyone is saying don't make it your life but the harsh reality is that unless you make it your life you can't get through it

  • @vaibhavanandsharma88
    @vaibhavanandsharma88 Рік тому +9

    Athar's body language and maturity is just amazing.

  • @kajaltripathi745
    @kajaltripathi745 Рік тому +2

    Anu kumari ma'am is best.. No fake answer... Very practical and honest you are ma'am

  • @rizwanulhaqspeaks
    @rizwanulhaqspeaks Рік тому +81

    He is phenomenal ❤ He is a true IAS ❤ His vision, way of talking and other things are amazing. This is AIR 2😎

  • @rajnishsingh9695
    @rajnishsingh9695 Рік тому +11

    Please invite Surabhi Gautam on this perception series
    Her journey is very inspiring, she had cleared variety of exams
    Roman sir, ⚘❤⚘, doing great ❤❤

  • @dhruvpatel7813
    @dhruvpatel7813 Рік тому +26

    Sir please bring some diplomats also through online interaction, especially IFS Suyash chavan sir, IFS Vikram grewal sir, IFS Yashika Mehta etc

  • @missmanu9956
    @missmanu9956 Рік тому +6

    somewhere the other woman officer was trying to make an anti impact in anu mam's answer and here on work-life balance question anu mam did the same😍😍🙏♥️

    • @chetnasingh7747
      @chetnasingh7747 Рік тому +3

      I can relate more to anu m'am because when you just study woman empowerment in books you can say everything is good but when you are living that life as woman who has very few opportunity and only being raised for just to become someone's wife then you will understand the real prblm

  • @surajsinghmeena9912
    @surajsinghmeena9912 Рік тому +20

    Such a intelligent panel ….thanks a lot sir for everything 😊👏

  • @xa_vlogs
    @xa_vlogs Рік тому +5

    Alot i learnt from this video specially Annu madam she said dont take upsc as life or death. If u didn't get koi baat ni. Enjoy every part of lyf is most important.

  • @PrashantSingh-rp6mf
    @PrashantSingh-rp6mf Рік тому +9

    Bring IFS(Foreign) and people from IA&AS too 😭😭 and CAPF officers too. They too deserve same amount of respect

  • @thor815
    @thor815 Рік тому +2

    IAS Amir Athar is a true gem💎 in Indian bureaucracy🎉

  • @Whyowhy123
    @Whyowhy123 Рік тому +12

    👍👍👍
    This series is really helpful in deeper understanding of what exactly bureaucrats play a role in the functioning of our government and society.

  • @Muleslover
    @Muleslover Рік тому +15

    To listen Athar is akways be like refreshment as always.

  • @dakshsingh1112
    @dakshsingh1112 Рік тому +3

    sir firsly i just wanna thanku mr. mahipal sir... u asked questions which are meant to be ask. hatssoff sir,,, i mean we have seen how other coachings are asking stupid questions but u did a very well job. totlly appricieated sir... and my all time fav. athar sir and roman sir. they explain well , and deep, ... thats alot

  • @amankhan4443
    @amankhan4443 Рік тому +5

    The perspectives shared by the officers in these 3 videos are pretty much like mains answer...one gets the holistic view along with both sides of the coin... appreciate the work of pathfinder team.

  • @vivekkhandelwal6510
    @vivekkhandelwal6510 Рік тому +9

    Pls invite 🙏
    Akshat jain (AIR 2 2018)
    Pradeep singh ( AIR 26 2019) ❤❤

  • @shivanimanyal2984
    @shivanimanyal2984 Рік тому +4

    I like the way anu mam interacting with everyone ❤

  • @MahaLakshmi-um8zu
    @MahaLakshmi-um8zu Рік тому +2

    Married couple Ias officers can be posted in the same place so that developmental activities will be faster. Even we can develop IAS officers matrimonial app. The course teachers ( HR) can suggest marriage between different skill set of IAS officers so that they can work as a couple.......

  • @pmusic4258
    @pmusic4258 Рік тому +1

    Mai jis chij ko UA-cam pe kaha kaha nahi dhudha but pta nahi kyu sir ne ye video bnaya lagata hai mere liye bna hai, O'my god i am very thankful for you

  • @shrishshukla4311
    @shrishshukla4311 Рік тому +8

    Medha roopam ma'am she was posted as CDO of Barabanki she is one of the finest IAS officer BBK district have ever seen

  • @Downloadingpeace
    @Downloadingpeace Рік тому

    Civil cervice walo ki bat hi alag hoti he...how calmly they are discussing the things...these are called the officer...proud of u all of them

  • @Gorusuur
    @Gorusuur Рік тому +9

    I think the previous session was more interesting. This time all guys are serious ones. Last time Gaurav Agarwal Sir and Roman Sir kept the session light and humourous.

  • @Himansshh
    @Himansshh Рік тому +110

    Arrange a similar setup with all 1st RANKERS - Shah Faesal , Kanishk Kataria , Tina Dabi , Anudeep Durishetty. They are the best of this field. 🙏🙏

    • @shadow-hi7iq
      @shadow-hi7iq Рік тому +23

      how can u be so sure they r best. matlab 179 officers of same batch r not worthy to share their views. change your mentality. har exam mein 1st sirf ek hi aata h. uske peeche bhi log hote h.

    • @Himansshh
      @Himansshh Рік тому +5

      @@shadow-hi7iq Aise to kisi v game k world cup me har team ache level pe hoti hai fir v winner decide kia jata.Koi kisi chiz me 1st aya hai to jarur usne kuch bakiyon se better kia hoga isilie unki value hoti. Nai to maine aise nai kaha ki baki kharab hai but they have proved that they were the best in their respective years.

    • @legender35
      @legender35 Рік тому +11

      @@Himansshh rank doesn't decide whether they r going to be best in their jobs or not

    • @shadow-hi7iq
      @shadow-hi7iq Рік тому +6

      @@Himansshh agree with what gaurav below said... Aur yeh ek competitive exam h... Koi cricket match nhi... Jo ek ko ek se khilakar chalo dekhte h... Who is the best. What they do matters the most.
      Par shayad tum na samajh pao... Har around 1000 candidates ki alag-2 story hoti h. Har koi winner hota h. Intact, jo 1-2 number se reh jate h woh bhi.... Aur agar aapko sirf rank1 ka hi shauk h toh unke old videos dekh lijiye.... And one more thing... Tell me what's your probability of getting rank 1 in this exam😂😂

    • @Himansshh
      @Himansshh Рік тому +1

      @@shadow-hi7iq Unacademy k jo core audience hai unko koi future me kya karta usse lena dena nai wo log bas respective exam clear karne k strategies janane k lie dekhte hai aur ye jo better rankers hai wo most probably better bata sakte. I agree ki 1st rank lana is not the end of the world par jo log ye sab videos dekhte unke lie bas wo better guide ho sakte most probably.

  • @neerajrajput9977
    @neerajrajput9977 Рік тому +6

    all the ias are very down to earth.bus jhadu poche wali baat hurt kar gyi🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @RamakantYadav.
    @RamakantYadav. Рік тому +5

    I personally like Roman Saini sir very much❤❤

  • @peerzadanatiqnabi8468
    @peerzadanatiqnabi8468 Рік тому +7

    Anu kumari is so real.

  • @devrajkc4681
    @devrajkc4681 Рік тому +6

    Eagerly awaiting for this precious session... thank u mahipal sir.. ❤

  • @aaami7993
    @aaami7993 Рік тому +2

    Anu Kumari mam apka story really inspire me 👍

  • @ankitsaroj3935
    @ankitsaroj3935 Рік тому +13

    I found episode 1,1.2 more informative for upsc presentation.

    • @RamSiya14
      @RamSiya14 Рік тому +2

      That was very natural & people are very down to earth in their approach. I also liked first.

  • @dhrutisoni7221
    @dhrutisoni7221 Рік тому +6

    Please invite IFS officers also... It will be helpful for many aspirants..

  • @anjalimewade5211
    @anjalimewade5211 Рік тому +15

    Roman sir should call doctors also because he has that opportunity so that aspirants for NEET can be benefited. It's the only place where diverse career perspectives can be pulled out. It would help students to realise their strength for the medical field as well.

    • @airtelentertainment2827
      @airtelentertainment2827 Рік тому +1

      Doctor🍵 doctor 😂😂😂😂

    • @premreddy5958
      @premreddy5958 Рік тому

      ​@@airtelentertainment2827 why are u laughing ?

    • @airtelentertainment2827
      @airtelentertainment2827 Рік тому +2

      @@premreddy5958 in front of upsc doctor are child 🚸

    • @ah7905
      @ah7905 Рік тому

      ​@@airtelentertainment2827 infront of ministers ias ips like ghodi 😂😂😠😤

    • @airtelentertainment2827
      @airtelentertainment2827 Рік тому

      @@ah7905 but doctor to budha ho jata padate padate sadi 55 age me hogi hai ,,,

  • @loveandlight5986
    @loveandlight5986 Рік тому +8

    Anu ma'am and medha ma'am are GOLD✨

  • @varsha_food_hands
    @varsha_food_hands Рік тому +3

    I personally found so down to earth as well calm mayank sir 🤗

  • @minnushaik2569
    @minnushaik2569 Рік тому +26

    We need anudeep durishetty sir. Please invite him

  • @shaileshwadhave
    @shaileshwadhave Рік тому +11

    Should invite Surabhi Gautam IAS.

  • @akashvashisth1649
    @akashvashisth1649 Рік тому

    All the officers were amazing..were very calm. I just felt that Anu ma’am interrupts others while they were put forwarding their views. Don’t take it negatively..I have a respect for her..she topped upsc..but being a leader you should be a good listener also and other officers were listening attentively and spoke when given chance..without interrupting anyone else.
    By the way..we are grateful to have such officers in beaurocracy ❤

  • @Vivek_Singh95
    @Vivek_Singh95 Рік тому +3

    My all time favorite Annu Kumari

  • @PrashantMalviya
    @PrashantMalviya Рік тому +4

    Keep bringing such content ❤❤😊
    Next time we want Kanishka Kataria and their batch ie. 2019❤️

  • @niharika6450
    @niharika6450 Рік тому +1

    bas bas me to intezar me thi kab se anu mam ko dekhne k liye ......

  • @anthonysarkar6538
    @anthonysarkar6538 Рік тому +7

    Why only top rank holder bureaucrats?? Plz bring other services officers as well.

  • @dushyantsharma4710
    @dushyantsharma4710 Рік тому +3

    Thanks to arrange this kind of knowledgeable session for aspirants.👍

    • @pathfinderias
      @pathfinderias  Рік тому

      Thankyou, we really appreciate your feedback.

  • @astitvbharadwaj2018
    @astitvbharadwaj2018 Рік тому +5

    Try to bring other services too to get an overall perspective specially the IFS and IPS....although this perspective series is very informative !🙌

  • @Waheguruji_Ka_Khalsa
    @Waheguruji_Ka_Khalsa Рік тому +2

    Thank You So Much Pathfinder Unacademy 🙏🙏❤️❤️💎💎💯💯🇮🇳🇮🇳

  • @hemaray19
    @hemaray19 Рік тому +2

    I m here just for annu ma'am my 1st and last inspiration..❤️🤗💗💗💗

    • @Nigam_abhishek18
      @Nigam_abhishek18 Рік тому

      Where is your father, mother, brother, sister 😂😂

    • @hemaray19
      @hemaray19 Рік тому

      @@Nigam_abhishek18 I m alone ..with my little kid...

  • @amanchoubey4334
    @amanchoubey4334 Рік тому +2

    Safin Hasan , anudeep durusethi , Satyam gandhi, akshat Jain ❤️

  • @loveandlight5986
    @loveandlight5986 Рік тому +7

    Can you call Akshat Jain sir? His views would definitely be enlightening...

  • @shubhamvyas8249
    @shubhamvyas8249 Рік тому +1

    Dr Mahipal Sir Ko Dekhta Hu To Hamesha Wo Period Yadd Aata Hai, Corona Ki 1st Wave, April-2020, Ramayan😍😍😍😍😁😁😂

  • @ankith1316
    @ankith1316 Рік тому +2

    Watching pathfinder after a long time... Good 2 see u sir...

  • @sandipanroy3106
    @sandipanroy3106 Рік тому +6

    Great session as usual. Looking forward to more of this.

  • @shivitripathi3492
    @shivitripathi3492 Рік тому +2

    Please invite HIMANSHU NAGPAL Sir(Varanasi CDO) AIR-26(2018)...He is an amazing officer..How he handle and develop Varanasi villages...Mind Blowing person and officer & KAMAL KISHOR KANDARKAR Sir(SDM & BDO of one of the block of Varanasi)AIR-137(2020) also...He is very motivational person and very knowledgeable officer...Plz invite both Legendary

  • @reemachauhan1543
    @reemachauhan1543 Рік тому

    I just love anu kumari maam . So calm , composed and amazing personality ❤️

  • @jayantkumar7447
    @jayantkumar7447 Рік тому +13

    Tina dabi and Shruti Sharma together please

  • @kanikasingh5440
    @kanikasingh5440 Рік тому +3

    For the next video of the series plz do invite IAS IPS couples.

  • @smilecable-funny
    @smilecable-funny Рік тому

    Aur un sabse achchha aap aur roman sir kr rhe h jo ye initiative shuru kiya.

  • @parivaarhaiapnto
    @parivaarhaiapnto Рік тому +2

    These two ladies are Queen 👑

  • @akshaypal2684
    @akshaypal2684 Рік тому +4

    Thanks alot sir for letting us to get deep insights about the Life of ias

  • @shadow-hi7iq
    @shadow-hi7iq Рік тому +1

    Plz bring officers from different states, rank... We want to hear their stories, innovations and many more.

  • @shivambhardwaj5614
    @shivambhardwaj5614 Рік тому +1

    Ye jyada formal tha buss roj vali statements, pichla episode acha tha means little raw like gaurav sir usse se sikhneko hota hai and sach batein bi please do rhe same .
    Thank you

  • @SakshiPorate
    @SakshiPorate Рік тому +2

    Eagerly waited for Shrushti mam , Ansar shaikh sir , Tina mam ,Manuj jindal sir, smita sabhrawal mam ,Akshat jain sir , Kanishak kataria sir

  • @shahzad766
    @shahzad766 Рік тому

    Honestly without boaring maine ye video dekha great Conversation

  • @khushboochoudhary1705
    @khushboochoudhary1705 Рік тому +12

    Please Teena mam and Shruti Sharma ko bhi next episode me involved kre.please . thank you ❤

  • @iamdiwakarchauhan
    @iamdiwakarchauhan Рік тому +5

    Athar sir aur tina dabi ma'am ko ek saath bulayiyega please 😁😁

  • @Sandeep-zd6dq
    @Sandeep-zd6dq Рік тому +3

    Really very useful session not only for aspirants but for other bureaucrats as well 🔥💪

    • @pathfinderias
      @pathfinderias  Рік тому +1

      Thankyou, we really appreciate your feedback.

  • @idyllicquest6259
    @idyllicquest6259 Рік тому +2

    Thanks a lot each of you to make it possible.... it was just so insightful!

  • @trishitagupta5171
    @trishitagupta5171 Рік тому

    Thankuuu for inviting Athar amir sir

  • @AkashDutta-zp1rk
    @AkashDutta-zp1rk Рік тому +2

    Ansar Sheikh from 2015 batch ko bhi bulaiye.Roman sir ke youngest IAS ka v record unhone break kiya tha 😬

  • @khushboochoudhary1705
    @khushboochoudhary1705 Рік тому +7

    I am waiting for next episode.👍👍👍👍

  • @vikaspratap8896
    @vikaspratap8896 Рік тому +4

    Pls also bring the one who has cleared this examination in 6th, 8th attempt.

  • @Adeshkumar-vg3sr
    @Adeshkumar-vg3sr Рік тому +5

    जो बात पहले एपिसोड में थी वह इसमें नहीं है

  • @kavitamandal1041
    @kavitamandal1041 Рік тому +1

    Medha ma'am is too good and talented Ias officer ❤

  • @aishwaryupadhyay9852
    @aishwaryupadhyay9852 Рік тому +1

    Please invite Mr Manish Kumar sir, AIR 63 Jharkhand cadre, certainly an inspiration for many.

  • @poojakarn
    @poojakarn Рік тому +2

    Really awesome.
    Also call Vikram Grewal Sir (IFS).

  • @vsnv4597
    @vsnv4597 Рік тому +5

    Please call Indian Foreign Services' officers too

  • @avi.kant_01
    @avi.kant_01 Рік тому +2

    Sir plssss invite Satyam Gandhi sir please

  • @sd33252
    @sd33252 Рік тому +2

    Foreign Officers ke Sath bhi ek episode banaiye.

  • @reena9296
    @reena9296 Рік тому +4

    Please invite manuj Jindal sir please it's a heartly requested please ❤❤

  • @mamtadubariya8675
    @mamtadubariya8675 Рік тому +1

    Please invite srusthi jayant deshmukh ,Tina Dabi ,Anudeep Durisheety , kanishka kataria, Akshat jain 🎉🎉plz

  • @nabanitabayen5884
    @nabanitabayen5884 Рік тому +3

    Sir pls .next invite Artika Shukla mam , Akshat Jain Sir ,Anudeep Sir

  • @hasmukhalam
    @hasmukhalam Рік тому

    please i request you sir hindi me baat kre jisse aur achhi tarah se baat samjh aa sake
    jaise mayank sir kr rhe the
    unka perspective mujhe kafi achha laga 🙏🙏
    thank you panel members
    specially Mayank sir I'm inspiring your thoughts and others also
    take a bow sir from my side sir
    thank you very much 🧡🧡

  • @Brilliantvibesfromyou
    @Brilliantvibesfromyou Рік тому +4

    Athar Amir looks handsome 🔥 no doubt

    • @ah7905
      @ah7905 Рік тому +3

      That's why he dumped Tina dabi 😂😂😂

    • @Brilliantvibesfromyou
      @Brilliantvibesfromyou Рік тому +2

      @@ah7905 dumping is different, parting ways with mutual understanding is different.

  • @kamyadalal699
    @kamyadalal699 Рік тому +1

    It's a great series 😊😊keep it up, learnt a lot, thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏

  • @bideshmaitra5696
    @bideshmaitra5696 Рік тому

    Great interactive session but definitely we need more vacancies for IAS Officers, I would suggest having magisterial board so that you also get support and back up .We definitely need to enhance employability by upskilling and ensure information sufficiency for decision making. Language barrier is not insurmountable.