Get Carter film locations part three : pub outside station
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My analysis of the 1971 British cult crime thriller Get Carter. This is the beginning of a series of films showing the locations where the film was made.
Get Carter is a 1971 British crime film directed by Mike Hodges and starring Michael Caine as Jack Carter, a gangster who sets out to avenge the death of his brother in a series of unrelenting and brutal killings played out against the grim background of derelict urban housing in the city of Newcastle upon Tyne. The film was based on Ted Lewis' 1969 novel Jack's Return Home, itself inspired by the real life one-armed bandit murder in the north east of England.
The film was Hodges' first as a director; he also wrote the script. The production went from novel to finished film in eight months, with location shooting in Newcastle and Gateshead lasting 40 days. It was produced by Michael Klinger and released by MGM. Get Carter was also Alun Armstrong's screen debut.
In 1999, Get Carter was ranked 16th on the BFI Top 100 British films of the 20th century; five years later, a survey of British film critics in Total Film magazine chose it as the greatest British film of all time. Get Carter was remade in 2000 under the same title, with Sylvester Stallone starring as Jack Carter, while Caine appears in a supporting role. This remake was not well received by critics.
Initial critical reception was poor, especially in the United Kingdom: "soulless and nastily erotic...virtuoso viciousness", "sado-masochistic fantasy", and "one would rather wash one's mouth out with soap than recommend it". The American film critic Pauline Kael, however, was a fan of the film, admiring its "calculated soullessness". A minor hit at the time, the film has become progressively rehabilitated via subsequent showings on television; with its harsh realism, quotable dialogue and incidental detail, it is now considered among the best British gangster films ever made. In 2004, the magazine Total Film claimed it to be the greatest British movie in any genre.
There are two slightly different versions of this film. In the opening scene of the original version Gerald Fletcher warns Carter that the Newcastle gangs "won't take kindly to someone from The Smoke poking his bugle in". This was later redubbed for American release in a less pronounced Cockney accent (not by Terence Rigby) with "won't take kindly to someone from London poking his nose in", as tape previews in the US had revealed that many Americans did not understand what "The Smoke" and "bugle" meant in this context. "Smoke" is slang for London, in reference to its reputation as a foggy city, while "bugle" is slang for nose. The line "I smell trouble, boy" is also edited out.
Places from the film not shown here but still standing in October 2010:
Dryderdale Hall, near Wolsinghamd - current up for sale at GBP1.6m
Newcastle's West Road Crematorium
Oxford Galleries in Newcastle - I should have filmed this as it is very easy to get to!
Post Office in Hebburn
I state that Cliff Brumby's house in northern Durham is still standing. However it was knocked down to redevelop the site.
Cast:
Michael Caine as Jack Carter
John Osborne as Cyril Kinnear
Ian Hendry as Eric Paice
Bryan Mosley as Cliff Brumby
George Sewell as Con McCarty
Tony Beckley as Peter the Dutchman
Glynn Edwards as Albert Swift
Terence Rigby as Gerald Fletcher
Godfrey Quigley as a work colleague of Frank Carter's
Alun Armstrong as Keith
Bernard Hepton as Thorpe
Petra Markham as Doreen
Geraldine Moffat as Glenda
Dorothy White as Margaret
Rosemarie Dunham as Edna Garfoot
Britt Ekland as Anna
John Bindon as Sid Fletcher
Kevin Brennan as Harry
Ben Aris as Architect
John Hussey as Architect
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The thin glass thing helps to emphasise that Jack has become a stranger in his home town. London would have been like a different world, and he's now part of that world - world in which beer is served in thin glasses. The train journey is almost like him travelling back in time. Back to his own past, but also back to an older version of Britain that only exists in the north.
I would agree with Sam Green. I think a 'thin' glass is what is now called a straight-glass as opposed to a jug. Definitely emphasises the north/south difference. I write this as I have my pint in a jug! - im a softy southerner, but love the north of the country. I remember Newcastle in the 70s and Get Carter is an incredibly evocative film that captures the era so well, and shows much of the character we have lost and the industry we threw away. Thanks for posting.
Thanks - that explanation makes it much clearer.
I recon there's some psychology going on here.
I think ordering a thin glass is Carters way of stamping his difference on the people he sees around him. He wants all the strangers looking him over to know that he is a new man in town and he wants them to know that he does things his way and is not scared of showing it. First impression moment.
Greg, that is the way I see it now too!
I remember watching an interview with the film's director some years back. He said that the choice of a thin glass was made deliberately to emphasise Jack's attention to detail. As per his choice of tailored suits and a fine watch, this implied that Jack was distinguished from regular gangsters and rogues by virtue of his innate character as a perfectionist. Whilst this eye-for-detail may certainly have set him aside from the particular choice of 1970's townsfolk as portrayed in the film, there is an additional suggestion that Jack had always been something of an outsider his entire life - whether in the NE of England, or indeed in London. This notion may also be corroborated by the fact that Jack faces nothing but relentless mistrust wherever he goes, even from people purporting to be his allies.
Another titbit of information that my late father shared with me some years back, is that in working class neighbourhoods until the 1960's it was a subtle sign of self-esteem for a working man to order his beer in a thin glass. The reason was apparently something along the lines that during the week, a working man would be used to hard graft, grit, and behaviour that was entirely pragmatic, and unsympathetic, in an industrial environment. Nevertheless, however tough his working conditions may be, such a hardened fellow would still want demonstrate that he can put on a good suit, take care of his grooming, and drink beer in a thin a glass, instead of gulping it down from a pint-pot like he's just escaped the Sahara. What my father was suggesting is that it was almost a sign of defiance against what was then a very class-ridden society. Make of that what you will.
I love that song too! A 60's tune Roy Budd's old band?
Great vids Alan. How you doing? Keep posting more if you get the chance. (Corbridge and now in Aberdeen for 25 years).
Unfortunately unlikely to be anything from Newcastle for a long while - even though I still have not finished all the locations from Get Carter. I have not been there since 2011.
"A thin glass" because it becomes an instant weapon if sh*t kicks off. It is much easier to "glass" someone with the thin ones than with the older style thick glass tankard ones. Back in the 80's we favoured a certain brand of bottled lager for much the same reasons.
Thin glass . He means thin glass as in a straight "modern " beer glass as opposed to a big heavy glass tankard type beer glass with a handle on it [ the one with the dimples remember? ] .I suppose this is to emphasise cultural differences. In that Jack had become a softy southerner and was returning to the harsh ,tough North !
+Sam Green Good idea - to mark the cultural differences. A bit like my idea that the first visit to the pub is treated like a vist to the zoo ......
+Sam Green also to show the customers that he is above them in terms of class.
Also a “thin glass” makes for a much better weapon if things get a bit lively...
It was the notorious LONG BAR - Not only is not there, The phriggin building's gone.
Used to be next to Barry Nobles green grocers - Had an entry on Neville Street and
another on the other side of the block on Granger Street opposite John The Baptist
parish church .
A famous photo exists of Michael Caine standing outside the Granger Street entry
in the same black mac in daylight - Those were the days .
Thin Glass - Sorry I thought he said " Clean Glass " cue next frame with dirty glass .
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PCLA7 I think you know far more than I do but as I understand it, the bar went almost straight after filming! A bit before my time so I don't remember it!
***** I was there in short trousers with wor jack russel Pip waiting outside
most weekend nights for me dad - You could smell the beer soaked Long Bar
carpets from across the street and the smell of hops hung heavy in the air from
Newcastle Breweries, another piece of Toon heritage that fell by the wayside .
@paulallan1000 The pub was knocked down around the time the film was released - I don't see what would have been gained by getting closer - but thanks for the comment anyway!
@pkingan Yes, thanks - I found that one out. I remember the two types of glass. I seem to recall (probably erroneously) that lager was served in a thin glass whilst bitter would have been in the dimpled glass.
Yep👍
As already mentioned, some folk preferred their ale or lager in something other than a traditional 'dimple mug' with a handle. Jack specifies 'in a thin glass' but most folk I know have always referred to that type as a 'straight glass'.
I don't know what it is called - is it on the soundtrack to the film?
Margaret was the lover of Carter's late brother 😊
I always thought that the pub he went into was actually one at Haymarket. Was it called 'The Hotspur'? (since demolished by the university) but I do remember it from my student days up there (late 80's)
The Hotspur rings a bell with me although I cannot place it now. Maybe someone else can help us out?
Actually the Hotspur is still near here further down Percy Street. But I thought that this crossing was the one seen in the film with the other pub (whose name I forget) next to what was, or what became, The Barbecue Express: www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.9775214,-1.6145471,3a,90y,323.37h,93.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHPk3YmFjj8FONbBbhyVl7Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Found it! www.chroniclelive.co.uk/lifestyle/nostalgia/remember-when-haymarket-pub-newcastle-7792557
Well done! 1987 - I should have remembered it!
The scene where he meets his niece in the cafe is in Pink Lane which is vis a vis the central station. I filmed it but when I got back to Warsaw I realised that I had filmed the wrong side of the street - I will do it when I am next in Newcastle!
It was just an ordinary pint glass rather than a tanker coz if u look closely in the scene he using a tanker glass to start off with
Yes, it is Pink Lane - very convenient for the railway station. You can imagine how wound up I was when I realised that I had filmed the wrong side of the street - particularly as it is so far away from where I live!
Lagers we're in thin glass
I always thought the cafe where he meets his niece was the old wimpey's in the 80's that used to be on Newgate street just up from the Bigg Market because that was very similar. Idols is next to where it used to be. That was until I started looking at the locations and relaised it was Pink Lane
A thin glass in no reference to it being a better weapon ... The thick chunky type glasses are never used on tyneside... every pint is served in what is called a "24 oz Nonic" type glass ( not a term a punter would know, i have owned bars 30 years ).. the pub directly opposite the station what you refer too as the "Irish bar " was in fact called the Victoria and Comet ( known locally as the Spit and Vomit ) at the time the movie was filmed. the Long Bar you refer too is now on the opposite side of that building. but is was in fact the "Spit" that was used not the long bar .
In the other words, this scene is one in which the difference between the north and south is further emphasized.
Why are you right down from where Carter exited the Central Station and crossed over to the pub.Surely you could have got a bit closer
At the time beer was served in Handled glasses very heavy and dimpled The new glasses were thin and light for the new Lager type drinks
I noticed the elderly man with six fingers drinking in the pub.
I allways thought it was the Haymarket,I can't remember a bbq express at the central station, but maybe I am wrong, I would have visited bbq express,but we always went into bowers all night cafe for an all night breakfast at about 2.30am about 400 mtrs out side the central station, there is a scene where he meets his niece in the cafe and gives her some money,spent lots of time down at the ferry landing at Walker
Ta for loading your videos, real quality material. This can't be a North South thing. My reasons are two fold. Firstly, my dad and uncle always preferred jugs to continental, they lived their entire lives in Berks. But you always had the choice & so it was more a young v old situation. Also, all the folk in the bar in N'castle seem to be drinking out of the thin glasses, so coming back to 'home' Carter just wants to be like one of the locals, from his own home ground. Does this seem reasonable?
Does anyone know what the song is when he walks in?
Someone will know Harry. I have forgotten, it might come back but it is not on the tip of my tongue!
Looking for Someone by Roy Budd. Here's a link to the soundtrack:
ua-cam.com/video/m-Fc31-WIt8/v-deo.html
Well done. Soundtracks with dialogue really wind me up. I bought one of Apocalypse Now like that around 1990.
He wanted a thin glass like we have these days not one of those old dimples glasses with the handle
3 months too late pal
Steuth, I'm guessing most of you are sceptics. Anyway, a 'thin glass' is a sleever as opposed to the handle/dimpled glasses which were standard up North at the time. It's just showing Jack as a Southener. No More, no less. Personally as someone who has lived and worked in the SW, SE, middlands and North Yorkshire I'll always go straight (thin) glass. Currently only effing hipsters would want a handle/dimple glass. And they are all massive ****'s. At least in Kent where I currently live.
No he asks for a thin glass because he is a southerner from London and they are not really drinkers there