Does Plumb Bobbing Work For Putting? How To Plumb Bob Putts
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2021
- Does Plumb Bobbing really work for putting? In this video, I explain the Plumb Bob Putting Method, and most importantly show you how to make sure you are using your putter correctly when plumb bobbing putts. If you don't know how to use your putter, you will never accurately plumb bob putts. Watch to discover if plumb bobbing works for putting and learn exactly how to plumb bob putts.
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I have always had one big problem with this method. If you’re lining up a vertical plane with a ball and a hole, standing straight behind them, 100% of the time, the shaft should dissect both the ball and the hole in a straight line. If the hole is to one side of the shaft, you’re obviously not standing straight in line with the ball and the hole. You can see this blatantly in the video examples, and I noticed it the first time I heard about and tried this. I have no idea why anyone uses this, other than to maybe get a more blatant path read down the shaft, for only absolutely straight putts.
Thank you, yes! I’ve watched so many of these videos explaining plumbob and I can’t figure out what the hell they’re talking about! It makes no sense. You can make it lineup on either side just like you said it all depends on exactly where you stand. If you move 2 inches left or right it changes the result. This “method” does not work!
Lol yes it does
John Mr. One Putt, Fantastic video as you know it is critical to find the vertical plane of your putter when you plumb bob. I am so glad that you emphasized that aspect. Additionally to use your dominate eye, my right eye is dominate so I simply close my left eye when I plumb bob. Thanks for posting and keep up the great work in making us all better putters!
As per the video, the original view of the break was slightly right to left. However, when plumb bobbing, I cannot see how you arrived at a 3 foot break from left to right, and that's most likely because of the poor camera angle. For me that camera angle showed it as a straight putt, so this example is quite poor and does not really show the correct break. I've used the plumb bobbing method since I started playing golf back in 1973 and this is the first time I've become aware of how to determine that your shaft is absolutely in a perfect vertical straight line. It would have been a better instructional video if you had been wearing a go pro camera on your hat rather than a hand held camera, that way we would have seen the actual 3 foot left to right break..
Agreed. I didn't see the 3 foot right break. In fact it looked like the plumb bob showed the break to be right to left.
Two points at different distances viewed from a down the line perspective can always be viewed sharing the same vertical plane with correct down the line position of the observer. This method will not capture slope of the green unless the flagstick is used for comparison to vertical, in which case it is likely an unreliable reference point outside of large slope differential situations. Sounds like golf black magic to me.
I am not sure you understood the method though (or even if I did) ?
(but his explanation might not have been the best. From what I understand so far, anyway, there are '3' points (before you begin plumb bobbing) that have to be on a straight line to the hole, where the hole is one of those reference points and the third reference point (which they usually don't clearly mark, but only 'in their mind'?) is between you and the ball). So you can't move around freely trying to find some place where 2 points (hole and ball) align vertically with the golf shaft. You are not free to move around but the '3' reference points have to be on a line, as viewed from behind the ball before you begin. And then one can do the plumb bob (using the ball and the third reference point, where the latter is between you and the ball), and now see where the golf club shaft is relative to the hole.
Or?
I agree with you, This doesn't make sense to me. You can always find that vertical line that connects two points. I think it's the effect of closing one eye vs the other eye. This will create the effect seen because we have a dominant eye.
A plumb will always align with the gravitation force of the earth. It cannot do anything else. If you are standing on a hill (however slight), the difference between the angle in degrees between the straight line described by the plumb and the angle of the hill, is by definition, the slope. The question pertaining to plumb bobbing is not whether it works, but how accurate is it? I’ve found that I get similar results from just observing the characteristics of the green. But, not always sometimes my eyes and senses fool me and the green breaks the opposite way than I perceived. When that happens, I will immediately plumb bob the putt as a check. And, it always shows me that I should have checked with a plumb bob. Someday I’ll learn. Maybe. LOL
Going to try all the tips tomorrow so hope I reduce my puts
Reading putts can be such a 50/50 thing. The less break, the easier the putt is. The shorter the putt, the easier the putt is. If you have a long breaking putt, just try to get a good general sense of the break and a good general sense of the distance/speed, and be happy if you leave it within a few feet of the hole for a good chance at the follow up putt. And then, it you just happen to make the approach putt, then even better! I find more long putts tend to go in when I’m not really trying to make them but rather get them close.
I’m lost….. if you line the ball and hole up in a line, it will always be hidden by the shaft……. No?
No. If the shaft is straight up and down and the ground is sloped you will see the hole to the side. Only on perfectly level putts will the shaft hide the hole
It took me about 5 minutes and then it clicked, what in the world am I watching?
From what I can tell, the plumb bob method works just as well as a Ouija board or a divining rod.
If you hang the putter directly over the hole-ball line, the hole will ALWAYS be hidden by the putter. If you hang the putter a bit to the right of the hole-ball line, the hole will always appear to the rightof the putter. ( and to the left if left of the line). The break of the green has no effect. Just parallax.
That’s what I was trying to figure out. Regardless of the break I can always get the shaft to line up with the ball and the hole?
Thank you, yes! I’ve watched so many of these videos explaining plumbob and I can’t figure out what the hell they’re talking about! It makes no sense. You can make it lineup on either side just like you said it all depends on exactly where you stand. If you move 2 inches left or right it changes the result. This “method” does not work!
I use plumb bobbing all the time. I use the Taylormade Wide Stripe balls.... because I like them.
I am a teaching pro, and occasionally my students ask me to how to plumb bob. I tell them to hit a few putts from 12-15 feet away and see how the ball reacts. Now that you know the break, see if you can read the break by plumb bobbing. Once they begin to develop a feel they can try other distances.
BTW I have several putters, but the most important reason I still like to putt with my Bullseye blade is that it is so easy to plumb bob with that putter.
Having said all this ... I have been playing golf for 32 years, am nearly scratch, and the most trouble I have reading break is when the putt is nearly straight or the green is deceptive. I am yet to find a fool-proof technique for such situations. We rarely misread when there is a lot of obvious break.
You're a teaching Pro and you believe this horseshit method ????!!!! OMG. You can just move your head and make the cup line up on either side !!! It goes against all laws of Math and Science. WAKE UP !!! I can put a ball on the side of a steep mountain slope and get the ball to line up with the hole !! So it's a straight putt then ????
Finally someone who knows the truth.
I only plumb bob my first wall. After that I use a level. When I'm putting I use my first instinct. I'm a pretty good putter on difficult greens. Normal greens just OK. Straight easy 6 footers kick my ass.
thanks for the tip on check how your plumb (club) hangs. I hadn't considered that. BTW, plumb comes from lead (pb on the periodic table, plombum in Latin or plomb in French). The weight on the end of the string was probably lead since it was common, dense and heavy.
I accidentally found another way to find the balance point on my putter for a vertical plane. I'd be interested for you to try it to see if you get the same result. I found it because I wanted to mark the balance point of the putter with a sharpie to help me orient it correctly.
1. I used a rounded bar I found in my garage (I think another club would work as well) balanced on two points that were the same height so it was horizontal to the ground.
2. I balanced the putter on the rounded bar until it was level. I noticed that it naturally settled in the same orientation (putter at about 10 o'clock) as my testing against a door frame and realized that it made sense that gravity would help orient it correctly.
3. Once I had it balanced at level and it self oriented, I marked that balance point with a sharpie and then again at the hozel so I had another reference point.
I held it up against the door frame and it appeared perfectly level (and oriented at 10 o'clock). Now, I line the balance point mark up with the center of my ball and then I can see the slight left to right on the hole and it's worked very well thus far.
Using this to get a simple left or right slope, then using the quick aimpoint techniques has really helped me confirm my eye as I've just read slopes on green for decades using experience and my eye. Together, it's really helped my accuracy...as long as I actually hit it correctly :).
Genious...I actually tried this in my garage and it seems to work correctly.
Isn't it the mark on the putter the CG point in addition to the center of the putter face?
How is that 3’ to the right? Confused
I agree with most of your instruction other than you should be using the edge of your putter shaft that you confirmed hangs plumb not the center of the shaft. It is the edge of the putter shaft that shows the spot to align your ball to. Thanks for the video plumb bobbing is a reliable method if done correctly.
I agree with you. That’s what I’ve said on multiple videos on the channel.
Been struggling with putting {why I’m here} I’m a carpenter and can’t believe I’ve never tried this before. Mister One Putt can’t be wrong, nor were the Egyptians! I find it easy to plumb my putter shaft and keep it still. Playing tomorrow, so looking forward to see the results. Cheers
How'd you go Nigel? do you still use it? Curious as i'm finding this video 6 months after your comment.
@@Ronoconnor Hi Ron….YES, still using and working well. Cheers
Respectfully i slightly disagree with your plumbob method. I have been using plumb bobbing for several years. 1. Determine the balance point of your putter ( i simply balanced the shaft over my index finger until i found it balance point - then marked it with a sharpie). 2. I held the shaft up agInst a door frame until i found the correct angle ( just as you did). 3..On the green i hold the putter at the correct alignment position with the marked balance point over the ball. 4. If the break is left to right it will be obivious right away, however if it is a right breaking putt the shaft will be straight in line with the flag stick. In that case i move behind the hole ( which also helps determine uphill or downhill etc) and plumb again with the balance point now over the hole looking back to the ball. That will show the aproximate line for a right break putt. Plumb bobbing has helped me read greens much better than i did prior to using this method. I really enjoy your putting tips and you have help me improve my putting.
Mister One Putt, I appreciate your explanation on plumb bobbing. Because I believe you are interested in people learning this, I hope you don’t mind if I share with you that’s the best video I have seen on plumb bobbing is by Mr. Short Game.
Thank you and I don't mind at all. This isn't a competition and he puts out great content. My goal is having fun while helping people.
I've used the plumb bob method since I've learned how to golf.
that guy doesnt explain that your putter shaft needs to be vertical and how to figure the weight balance. Without that step it is impossible to properly plumb bob.
As I watched the video to learn how to plum bob, I noticed the practice green you were on looked very familiar. I then realized it is my home course in the community I live in. Small world.
Yes...I love that course...playing there Friday morning this week...in fact you can hear Jessica the former beverage cart girl driving up to say "Hi" during the video...LOL
@@misteroneputt We love it too, which is why we moved there. ;) I'll try to keep any eye out for you. We live on the 6th tee directly in line with the blue tees. If you hear someone trying to get your attention while on the 6th it will be me, otherwise have a great round. And thanks for the reply.
The problem with plumb bobbing is that you have to be standing exactly in line with the ball and the hole. Get it 2 inches out and you get a duff read?
Agree...it isn't easy to do, but it seems I sometimes get a duff read no matter what I do.
Yeah it's a bit iffy for me too, if you were to get an actual plumb Bob and stood directly behind your ball and inline with the cup, to me it's always going to be inline with the centre of the cup. 🤷🏻
No...if you did that it would show the cup left or right depending on the break...I've actually set up an engineer's plumb bob and done it...But it is iffy because it is so difficult to set up properly with your putter.
Exactly. He set up off line and then said the cup is to the right. Well then just move left a bit, and the cup will move left too.
I just mark my grip when I get my shaft plumb.
Does anyone know if it makes a difference which arm you hold the putter in if you’re left eye dominant?
Should be arm for non dominant eye although I can’t see that it makes a difference. So right eye dominant would be left hand
Like others, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this. I tried it on the green today and I could always get the cup to appear either to the left or right of the putter shaft just by slightly moving my head a bit. The only way this works from a geometry standpoint is lining up the ball with the hole and then seeing how much the FLAG deviates from the 90 degree putter shaft. Because holes cut in greens generally follow the slope of the green this will generally tell you the break. You can also see if the cup itself is perpendicular to the putter shaft, but it's much easier to see the deviation between a leaning flag and the putter.
Exactly and that is why so many people struggle with using this method. You have to learn to position the putter 90 degrees and view with your dominant eye consistently in the same position without moving your head. It's not easy. Tip if you are using the flag lean...always make sure the flag is in all the way and positioned straight...sometimes they lean when they shouldn't
I believe that what you learn from plumb bobbing is the slope of the ground that you are standing on. If this is representative of the slope of the putt over-all then you are good to go. If not then the information is useful, but "you really are not done yet" with your read in that case.
Correct. Double breakers are difficult with plumb bobbing
What about double breaking putts over a longer distance?
That’s where plum bobbing breaks down in my experience.
yes it works ..if you are a good putter
Like most things… hahahaha
How do you know how much break there is?
It takes practice to learn to match what you see with the amount of break. That’s the weakness of this method
I’m sorry, but I simply used a level, and at the point that my putter bubbled vertical, I made a mark at the bottom of my putter grip. Done.
But at 5 min or so, you somehow determine that a putt that was “almost” perfectly straight, with a “tiny” break required a 3-foot adjustment? How do you arrive at that?
Not sure about a 3 foot adjustment. Will have to rewatch this It’s a few years old and the videography and camera angles aren’t very good
@@misteroneputt Please do. I’d love to hear your reply because your teacher is usually excellent.
It seems, to get the read of the putt, you'd have to stand between your ball and the hole. 10 feet behind the ball will show you the plumb bob line of where your feet are standing..or am I off base with that thinking?
You have to be far enough behind the ball to sight the ball hole and shaft in line. Where you are standing has no matter as long as you’re on the line directly behind ball and in line with the hole
At 5:43 the hole is left of the shaft, I thought that meant it would break to the left. I’m so confused.
I think what he see and what the camera show is different
@@JojohnWick I hope so or I’m doing it completely wrong. I’m not questioning him just wanting verification.
Camera angles are so difficult on this that it is confusing. I see what you see at 5:43, but it is an optical illusion. It is almost impossible to get the camera girl to stand in the exact right spot because while recording, I'm seeing what I see and not what the camera sees. So I don't know until later that she wasn't standing in the right spot with the camera...and she isn't a golfer so she doesn't get it...not criticizing her, she's great. You are right if the hole is left it will break left. Sorry for the confusion
@@misteroneputt Thank you sir. I figured it was an illusion but wanted to verify. You gave an excellent explanation of the plumb bob and definitely a confidence builder.
@@danwesson1934 Thank you
It can only work on a flat putting surface.
hahahaha got it and every easy to understand now I know how to apply plum bobbing in the green.
Little confusing,your looking at the hole thought the ball,which to me mean you have all three elements in line,shaft in line with ball ,ball in line with hole ,where is the deviation?
It’s just shows up if there is break they will not all 3 line up. Am working on a new plumb bobbing video that better explains this
@@misteroneputt thanks for the reply.
Can you use a real plumb bob during a round? A string with a weight.
I think that is against the rules
Plumb bobbing does work they built the Acropolis with this idea. Plumbing is obviously easier with this HONU putter he has as its mass balanced and would hang dead vertical, whereas all these other putters are out of balance and one needs to find the hang point and mark it somehow. Just another reason not to play any putter that is not mass balanced i'd guess.
Doesn't work with putting though. If you stand directly behind the ball and always in a perfect line to the hole how can it show different breaks as the ball will always be directly in line with the hole?
If you are standing on a slope PB’ing does not work.
So if the hole appears left of the shaft ... then I move my hand left so the shaft is now over the ball ... in other words, I can always make the shaft cover the hole. I can see vertical - but that's all. And anyway, it is an illegal use of a putter.... club used for an unintended purpose. Similar to hanging a club between your legs on an incline to determine slope ... illegal.
3 Things: 1. Obviously you can always move the shaft to cover the hole, but that is not properly using the shaft as a plumb bob as explained here. 2. Seems your interpretation of plumb bobbing as using the club for an unintended purpose is incorrect as Pros use their putter to plumb bob frequently in tour events and are not penalized for it. We could say putting with a driver if your putter is damaged or lost is also unintended usage. 3. I'm not promoting plumb bobbing or attacking it...simply providing information on the fact that it does work if done properly and a very basic and introductory how to do it
@@misteroneputt I still can't see how the geometry works. If I stand behind the ball in line with the ball to hole line then the vertical line of anything lines up with the ball and the hole - if you stand to the right of the ball there's a gap showing between the shaft and the hole to the right of the hanging shaft - but it means nothing more than I'm just not in line with the ball and the hole. I'm missing something (?)
@@ChristopherDowning You need to stand behind the ball looking straight through the ball to the hole...For me, when done properly the ball actually blots out the stick. Then without changing position in any way raise the putter to bisect the ball. Amazingly the hole will suddenly appear to move left or right of the putter shaft. Not sure you are missing something...I do know that 65% of people naturally see curved lines when looking at a putt but they can see straight lines when they try and about 5% of people literally cannot see a straight line not matter what because of the way their eyes work. If the vertical line always lines up to the hole for you, then your unique eyesight might very well make plumb bobbing worthless for you...Most people see what I described above. I have a putting mat in my house and the floor is very slightly off and putts break right to left. I put the ball on an absolutely straight line that is factory placed and goes straight to the hole and roll it up that line and it misses left. I line up and plumb bob the line the ball and the hole and suddenly the hole and line move about 1/8 inch to the left. Then I start the ball 1/8 inch to the right of the line and it breaks into the center of the hole.
@@ChristopherDowning you're not confused... you're simply a logical human stating the obvious, because plumb bobbing doesn't work! How more people cannot see this is beyond me.
@@clarkay3049 So I'm not alone or going mad!? Thank you!
Why make videos with a shoe
This is total rubbish. A straight line from the ball to the hole never changes even if the green slopes 45 degrees. A plumbob on that line will ALWAYS line up with the ball and hole if viewed directly along that line. It’s basic geometry really.
Robert...millions of engineers, builders and golfers disagree with your assessment. I understand plumb bobbing doesn't work for everyone, but that doesn't dilute it's validity. Which is why I present it as ONE of many options for reading greens. You are right, a straight line never changes...but where the hole appears relative to that line does in fact change based on slope.
Sorry, as a qualified engineer I can assure you that you are incorrect.
If you had a ball and a hole on a long flat board with a line between them a plumbob on that line will appear vertical passing through the hole. Tilt the board over at some angle, the line from ball to hole remains the same as does the vertical plumbob passing through the hole. The slope of the board has no effect on the plumbob line.
@@robertpritchard4101 I'm talking about how the line appears to the eye...Again, the method works for a lot of people...or at least they think it works and that mental confidence in and of itself helps them make more putts.
It’s about the dominant eye. Line up with both eyes. Then use dominant eye to plumb bob.
Left eye, right eye or both eyes, it still does not work.