In 30yrs NHS I have NEVER heard of a staff member searching for families on social media! Its simply accepted that you care for your pt. adult or paed & then, that's your part in their care - finished! The Consultant might tell us a few weeks later "Do you remember pt "a" who was touch & go? We actually, succeeded & now they're doing really well - thankyou team!" But, we would never investigate independently! Thats a "red light" to me! Seriously WTF?
@@Nick_80599I don't think it's about negligence in a hospital. No one thinks their colleague is killing patients. If you look at other medical murders they never get caught immediately, because no is looking for murder.
Why is this not being reported more? The woman, is a serial killer, i am a RMH nurse and am disgusted beyond words how she got a way with this for so long. Her escalation is quicker than ive ever known, she has done this before and no one can tell me otherwise. I hope and pray that the families get justice , but i foresee a mental health claim coming very soon if its felt the trail is not going her way.
Regardless of what you think! Innocent until proven guilty is the norm. Why do you think they stopped hanging people. It was because innocent people were given the guilty verdict and lost their lives. All you know is what you are being fed by the media which wants to condemn this person before the trial gets in motion.
@jackbrown4130mental illness isn't an excuse for your violent behaviour. You don't get a pass because you experienced something. We've all experienced plenty. The mental illness excuse is worn out now. Almost all mentally ill people know right from wrong.
@jackbrown4130so if you had harmed a premature baby in one of your violent flashbacks, would you lie about it, try to cover it up and continue your job looking after babies, risking the same thing happening again? Because that's what she did
The parents remember every little detail, ofc they do, its the most horrific memory, but they remember it all. After 34 yrs of nursing, a sister in ED, my advice to nurses and junior drs was always listen to the parents, they know baby best, and they know when something is wrong ie letby " hovering around" ,inappropriate behaviour to distraught parents...
Posing for pictures with the babies and baby clothes, searching the families on Facebook, constantly seeking praise and reassurance from colleagues. This woman seems truly unstable imo
I don’t know if she’s guilty or not but she doesn’t sound at all unstable because she poses with babies etc, she’s a nurse looking after babies, why would that be at all unusual
@@theSPUK901 seems very unprofessional to me, to pick random babies to get attached to or take selfies with. I have never heard of a nurse or midwife that wants a selfie with a patient. Plus she was searching them on social media, if you think that's all normal I would like to know where you work as a nurse or midwife?
So the mother's phone record states 21.07pm and Lucy entered different times - shifting the mother's visit one hour forward - which suggests Like Dr Shipman, Lucy has been utilising the falsification of times entered in data records. The discrepancy seems to be unequivocal.
@@derektaylor2941 No - i made a youtube comment indicating that her time keeping records are unequivocally proved to be false. You should'nt really troll comments associated with a social media podcast following a distressing trial - it's precisely the place the public can comment and chat - and i think we're all aware a jury exists but may not agree with your own belief that the criminal justice system in the UK is without fault, which is really another topic.
Been avidly following this Trial. I just cannot NOT see her Guilty. This is such an emotive case. Those poor babies and their families. Sorry, I know it's "Innocent until proved Guilty", but it just seems incredulous that she couldn't be guilty. Having seen her journal notes....who would write such damning statements??
Having worked on a special care baby unit, what she wrote isn't shocking considering what she's accused of. It's not uncommon to write your thoughts, feelings, as well as what others say. They're not always indistinguishable.
@@NikkiOwenyes it's like a outlet of the anxiety that has built up. I find it odd that she was able to harm so many, didn't they think something was up after the 5th or 6th? 17 babies, this exposes negligence of the hospital regardless if she did it or not. This is why I just can't make my mind up if she's guilty or not.
@@Nick_80599 Even though this is all said and done for the time being and she has been found guilty and convicted my mind would rest more at ease if the whole hospital was investigated as well staff and all medical preciduares if a hospital has faults surely at the least part of the blame falls on the hospital as well...
If you are referring to the post notes , they make no reference to the babies directly . They begin They went this often means in the idiom they said it is how they talk in Manchester in the middlands they might say they go ,both mean they say ,more of a grammar error if you ask me the prosecution skipped over this quickly ,the damage had already been done by the media , an opportunity was missed by the defence to point this out , the trial was a disgrace to British law There was no hard evidence against her she is probably carrying the can for incompetent doctors and a poorly run hospital mon avis
Someone under huge pressure from all sides could easily beat themselves up and write what Lucy wrote. So, it is not safe to “assume” that Lucy made what amounts to a confession”…… which many have done erroneously.
Well, she’s contradicting the recollections of the parents. That is damning. That poor baby screaming and bleeding and telling mother to go away - totally denied. That really is damning
It's not irrefutable just because the parents said it They could be mistaken with times and the other parent said it was at 9pm when she saw her hovering over crib but data clearly showed she didn't even get there until 9.26pm
Times maybe you could get wrong but you would *never* forget things like that, or misremember so much so that you remember a nurse - near your baby (in distress and bleeding) - acting strange telling you to leave. You would NEVER forget never mind misremember something like that. Very damning
@@anna-rosephipps3132 do you find it hard to fathom why serial killers kill people? Power, revenge, enjoyment. My guess with Lucy is she was infatuated with this doctor guy and was “doctor or bust” in terms of dating, years were passing her by and she was deeply jealous and resentful she couldn’t have a family - well, a family with the guy she think she deserved. I’m sure she could have found some dude who worked in an office or something…..she decided as she couldn’t, she would take pleasure in preventing others from having the joy she wanted. That’s my hypothesis
@@RaferJeffersonIII who knows. I still can't get my head round this one. Many serial killers you later discover showed some early signs of behavioural disturbance.
She mentions a lot that being redeployed at work depressed her, and it could ruin her career and social standing. I doubt that would enter most people’s head, they’d be so wracked with guilt at the possibility that their incompetence might have taken the lives of 7 babies
Lucy was expected to remember events some years ago - YET, Dr. Stephen Breary, in an interview, said that he could not remember certain events some years back. How, therefore, is Lucy magically EXPECTED to remember, and criticized for forgetting certain details - yet, an experienced Dr. effectively “gets away” with forgetting. Then tell me there isn’t a form of discrimination against work here - the old “ it’s not what you know, it’s who you know” syndrome at work again.
@@stephenhurd1489 I’d say these are extenuating circumstances in which a layperson will need a lot of medical explanations of the evidence in order to properly understand what they are deliberating on. A jury of her *peers* - it is not insane to say medical professionals would be true peers in *this* case.
Funny how with the defence lawyer she remembers everything he asks letby about her, her feelings, how she felt , yet when it comes to parents or doctors statements she either doesn't recall or disagrees. She actually really conniving and manipulative and a bare face liar.
@@derektaylor2941 i agree, but there are plenty of comments on here that do the opposite to what you say and certain people with very strong presumptions of innocents with nothing really to back it up that i can see so i can only assume that its to do with her not fitting the typical "Psychotic male abuser" image were used to seeing. I have no idea weather she is guilty or not but the "wake up" comment had suggestions that the poster had evidence to suggest she is innocent and everyone needs to wake up to this fact.
Female prisoners don't harm those who hurt children it's not a problem in female jails unlike in make prison where anyone whos crimes are against child is a target for extreme violence and death
JURY of peers should actually be peers qualified experienced healthcare staff, who actually can understand the med evidence! I have both experience as a staff member, Theatre Manager & as a mother of a baby/child in PICU/ HDU! For me there's way too many "issues" with this nurse! I'd be asking very specific questions! Hope justice is served!
There would be a conflict of interest to have professional peers deciding this case, it would be almost impossible to sequester a jury in that scenario also. Not to mention medical professionals are exempt from jury duty. Professional medical boards exist to review & revoke negligent practitioners. Medical professionals can also be called to give expert testimony. Peers in the legal context refer to the common man & woman.
She knew she was being investigated by the hospital, long before the police became involved, therefore she had the chance to run if she wanted to, although obviously that would strongly imply guilt. Instead, she continued right up until being moved to desk duties. That she didn't run suggests either supreme arrogance that she would not be caught, or a serious fault in her psychology. It must surely have crossed her mind.
In over 42yrs of nursing and still a nurse in the NHS, l have never ever looked on social media for any of my patients, so very very unprofessional and personally I’m not interested once patients leave my care that’s where my interest stops.As long as I’ve done my best for the patient and lve helped them in anyway l can within my professional capacity that’s the end of the relationship.
I agree, the masses have already deemed her guilty and I don't understand how she can have a fair trial with all the media attention over the past few years. There is no way the Jury are impartial.
I have found the British press coverage very thin on the ground, and I think it’s probably due to court orders of what can be published in the UK. There is an American you tuber who has done at least 3 deep dive videos where she has gone through the time lines and pieced together evidence of parents and staff and medical experts. Puts everything into perspective.
@@420candle8 Thankyou, 420 Candle. I've just listened to her first episode and she came over as much clearer than these podcasts. An eloquent speaker who was able to follow a timeline rather than the presentation of evidence which seems a bit haphazard which these reporters had to follow. Different approaches but equally compelling.
And, yes, Lucy was known to accept extra shifts - she was a “workaholic”… they were well aware of this - coupled with Lucy’s perfectionist attitude to her work. Easy to make the connection that Lucy WAS definitely targeted. IMHO - but I would not be surprised to learn others feel likewise. 😮❤…Lucy.
Lucy - asked to change shift ? Could this have been “engineered” to get Lucy to work when there was a possibility that a given Baby might fail - thus, making it look like Lucy was responsible ? Could this be a factor in the “let’s denigrate and smear Lucy” theory camp. Lucy was NOT universally liked - I think we can accept this as a given - yes, even among her peers - and the post - conviction interviews with some of Lucy’s colleagues lends credibility to this. Lucy : 🐱🙂🌈⭐️💖♥️☀️🍷🌺
Where’s all the women calling for background checks on nurses and doctors. Where’s all the protesters and people complaining. Suppose it’s only male police officers that are bad. Don’t hear anyone saying they don’t feel safe leaving their baby alone with a nurse.
A background check in this situation would have given no warning. A psychological evaluation, on the other hand! As for ur police argument. It's just not relevant to this.
I don't feel safe leaving a baby alone with strangers, this just magnifies that feeling. Background checks are meaningless. She'd have passed every check until she was charged. And there are already systems to revoke the licenses of nurses who commit crimes.
An enhanced background check will show clear if there are no convictions so people can commit offences for years and not until they are caught and convicted will there be anything to show….it would valuable to check if the death rate reduced when she left previous jobs…
The fact she's a woman is why the media aren't demanding background checks, scapegoating all women, demanding new gender biased laws and even demanding female only curfews like they did for men after the killer copper.
🙄 use your brain - it's to protect the victims families privacy - last thing they need is to be hounded by the media or acquaintances about the most traumatic experiences of their lives.
In 30yrs NHS I have NEVER heard of a staff member searching for families on social media! Its simply accepted that you care for your pt. adult or paed & then, that's your part in their care - finished! The Consultant might tell us a few weeks later "Do you remember pt "a" who was touch & go? We actually, succeeded & now they're doing really well - thankyou team!" But, we would never investigate independently! Thats a "red light" to me! Seriously WTF?
Theres something wrong with the system when she had free reign to do this over and over and over and over again.
Yes it exposes negligence in the hospital and this why some people including myself can't make up there minds if she's guilty or not
With uk society totally WOKE now and very passifist, it's no suprise EVIL LETBY was treat with like a victim😮
@@Nick_80599I don't think it's about negligence in a hospital. No one thinks their colleague is killing patients. If you look at other medical murders they never get caught immediately, because no is looking for murder.
I wish i could see her demeanor while testifying.
Why is this not being reported more? The woman, is a serial killer, i am a RMH nurse and am disgusted beyond words how she got a way with this for so long. Her escalation is quicker than ive ever known, she has done this before and no one can tell me otherwise.
I hope and pray that the families get justice , but i foresee a mental health claim coming very soon if its felt the trail is not going her way.
I can tell you otherwise you blinkered nutjob.
Regardless of what you think!
Innocent until proven guilty is the norm.
Why do you think they stopped hanging people. It was because innocent people were given the guilty verdict and lost their lives.
All you know is what you are being fed by the media which wants to condemn this person before the trial gets in motion.
She hasn't been found guilty yet...
@jackbrown4130mental illness isn't an excuse for your violent behaviour. You don't get a pass because you experienced something. We've all experienced plenty. The mental illness excuse is worn out now. Almost all mentally ill people know right from wrong.
@jackbrown4130so if you had harmed a premature baby in one of your violent flashbacks, would you lie about it, try to cover it up and continue your job looking after babies, risking the same thing happening again? Because that's what she did
The parents remember every little detail, ofc they do, its the most horrific memory, but they remember it all.
After 34 yrs of nursing, a sister in ED, my advice to nurses and junior drs was always listen to the parents, they know baby best, and they know when something is wrong ie letby " hovering around" ,inappropriate behaviour to distraught parents...
Who told you to speak 🤬 Lucy is innocent
@@motziali3942same person who told you
@@Craigox001 what you going to do I'll shut you up to
@@motziali3942deluded
She's denying everyone's recollections, thats telling.
She, and the magnetic card reader at the unit entrance.
Posing for pictures with the babies and baby clothes, searching the families on Facebook, constantly seeking praise and reassurance from colleagues. This woman seems truly unstable imo
I don’t know if she’s guilty or not but she doesn’t sound at all unstable because she poses with babies etc, she’s a nurse looking after babies, why would that be at all unusual
@@theSPUK901 seems very unprofessional to me, to pick random babies to get attached to or take selfies with. I have never heard of a nurse or midwife that wants a selfie with a patient. Plus she was searching them on social media, if you think that's all normal I would like to know where you work as a nurse or midwife?
@@GizmoGremlinDog it's actually very common, if it wasn't the hospital wouldn't allow it. 👍
She was raising money for the unit and that's where the media picture came from.... that's very normal...
Did u just say unprofessional for a baby nurse to get attached... 😳 🤔 that's strange in itself is it not
So the mother's phone record states 21.07pm and Lucy entered different times - shifting the mother's visit one hour forward - which suggests Like Dr Shipman, Lucy has been utilising the falsification of times entered in data records. The discrepancy seems to be unequivocal.
Indeed.
@@derektaylor2941 No - i made a youtube comment indicating that her time keeping records are unequivocally proved to be false.
You should'nt really troll comments associated with a social media podcast following a distressing trial - it's precisely the place the public can comment and chat - and i think we're all aware a jury exists but may not agree with your own belief that the criminal justice system in the UK is without fault, which is really another topic.
@jackbrown4130mental ill health is not the same as evil. The DSM-V would like you to think otherwise but this is not the case.
@@CannabrannaLammer"evil" is not a clinical or legal term
It's always after LL fed the babies or helped other nurses with feeding the babies. After 25 incidents, how can she say it was bad luck.
Yes Lucy it was certainly unimaginable for the parents. 🙈
Been avidly following this Trial. I just cannot NOT see her Guilty.
This is such an emotive case. Those poor babies and their families.
Sorry, I know it's "Innocent until proved Guilty", but it just seems incredulous that she couldn't be guilty.
Having seen her journal notes....who would write such damning statements??
Having worked on a special care baby unit, what she wrote isn't shocking considering what she's accused of. It's not uncommon to write your thoughts, feelings, as well as what others say. They're not always indistinguishable.
@@NikkiOwenyes it's like a outlet of the anxiety that has built up. I find it odd that she was able to harm so many, didn't they think something was up after the 5th or 6th? 17 babies, this exposes negligence of the hospital regardless if she did it or not. This is why I just can't make my mind up if she's guilty or not.
@@Nick_80599 Even though this is all said and done for the time being and she has been found guilty and convicted my mind would rest more at ease if the whole hospital was investigated as well staff and all medical preciduares if a hospital has faults surely at the least part of the blame falls on the hospital as well...
If you are referring to the post notes , they make no reference to the babies directly . They begin They went this often means in the idiom they said it is how they talk in Manchester in the middlands they might say they go ,both mean they say ,more of a grammar error if you ask me the prosecution skipped over this quickly ,the damage had already been done by the media , an opportunity was missed by the defence to point this out , the trial was a disgrace to British law
There was no hard evidence against her she is probably carrying the can for incompetent doctors and a poorly run hospital mon avis
Someone under huge pressure from all sides could easily beat themselves up and write what Lucy wrote. So, it is not safe to “assume” that Lucy made what amounts to a confession”…… which many have done erroneously.
Well, she’s contradicting the recollections of the parents. That is damning. That poor baby screaming and bleeding and telling mother to go away - totally denied. That really is damning
It's not irrefutable just because the parents said it
They could be mistaken with times and the other parent said it was at 9pm when she saw her hovering over crib but data clearly showed she didn't even get there until 9.26pm
Times maybe you could get wrong but you would *never* forget things like that, or misremember so much so that you remember a nurse - near your baby (in distress and bleeding) - acting strange telling you to leave. You would NEVER forget never mind misremember something like that. Very damning
Too many coincidences. Yet still, I find it difficult to fathom how or why anyone would do this.
@@anna-rosephipps3132 do you find it hard to fathom why serial killers kill people?
Power, revenge, enjoyment.
My guess with Lucy is she was infatuated with this doctor guy and was “doctor or bust” in terms of dating, years were passing her by and she was deeply jealous and resentful she couldn’t have a family - well, a family with the guy she think she deserved. I’m sure she could have found some dude who worked in an office or something…..she decided as she couldn’t, she would take pleasure in preventing others from having the joy she wanted.
That’s my hypothesis
@@RaferJeffersonIII who knows. I still can't get my head round this one. Many serial killers you later discover showed some early signs of behavioural disturbance.
She will never ever admit it.
Would you admit something you're not guilty of?
@@liisamaarit4607she is guilty
She wrote a confession.
@@maureenmacfarlane1383 no she didn't
@@Just-bj8xi I saw a picture of it and read it, so yes it exists.
She can’t remember anything!! - playing games!!!
Years have gone by though and its shocking how so many were harmed, negligence at its best.
She mentions a lot that being redeployed at work depressed her, and it could ruin her career and social standing. I doubt that would enter most people’s head, they’d be so wracked with guilt at the possibility that their incompetence might have taken the lives of 7 babies
Time to retire If you truly believe yourself to be negligent.
She did it intentionally.
Thing is she clearly wasn't incompetent and she knew she wasn't incompetent....so that leaves one option
Bring back the death penalty
Don't be so ridiculous
Lucy was expected to remember events some years ago - YET, Dr. Stephen Breary, in an interview, said that he could not remember certain events some years back. How, therefore, is Lucy magically EXPECTED to remember, and criticized for forgetting certain details - yet, an experienced Dr. effectively “gets away” with forgetting. Then tell me there isn’t a form of discrimination against work here - the old “ it’s not what you know, it’s who you know” syndrome at work again.
People really kill to be remembered as a killer...😢
If Lucy really did this she's very heartless and it very disgusting
If guilty, she is extremely dangerous and unhinged
If… no question
Add evil in to this also.. If she did do it.
A jury of her peers, should be medical professionals specifically trained for neonatal care. In my opinion
Not at all! Should a jury be all cops or lawyers? That's insane
@@stephenhurd1489 I’d say these are extenuating circumstances in which a layperson will need a lot of medical explanations of the evidence in order to properly understand what they are deliberating on. A jury of her *peers* - it is not insane to say medical professionals would be true peers in *this* case.
I was thinking the same
That’s not how the law works 😊
@@JamesCM86 the law is an ass
Funny how with the defence lawyer she remembers everything he asks letby about her, her feelings, how she felt , yet when it comes to parents or doctors statements she either doesn't recall or disagrees. She actually really conniving and manipulative and a bare face liar.
This podcast says nothing to her being guilt so far we should listen to the whole court case before condemning 😢
Totally agree mate! wake up people!
@@ericmcarthur1975 wake up to what? Do you know something that proves she is innocent do you?
@@derektaylor2941 i agree, but there are plenty of comments on here that do the opposite to what you say and certain people with very strong presumptions of innocents with nothing really to back it up that i can see so i can only assume that its to do with her not fitting the typical "Psychotic male abuser" image were used to seeing. I have no idea weather she is guilty or not but the "wake up" comment had suggestions that the poster had evidence to suggest she is innocent and everyone needs to wake up to this fact.
This is true but people are just doing what the jury do one day you think guilty next day not guilty and so on
She's guilty!
I’m sure the inmates of Holloway will make her feel very welcome.
FYI, HMP Holloway closed down years ago. I believe that it now a housing development.
Female prisoners don't harm those who hurt children it's not a problem in female jails unlike in make prison where anyone whos crimes are against child is a target for extreme violence and death
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24they don't hurt them as much but they do hurt them. They bully them and other things.
JURY of peers should actually be peers qualified experienced healthcare staff, who actually can understand the med evidence! I have both experience as a staff member, Theatre Manager & as a mother of a baby/child in PICU/ HDU! For me there's way too many "issues" with this nurse! I'd be asking very specific questions! Hope justice is served!
There would be a conflict of interest to have professional peers deciding this case, it would be almost impossible to sequester a jury in that scenario also. Not to mention medical professionals are exempt from jury duty. Professional medical boards exist to review & revoke negligent practitioners. Medical professionals can also be called to give expert testimony. Peers in the legal context refer to the common man & woman.
Like the managers?
i think i know what kind of people do these evil things, what their ideology are, its out there if you paid attention whats going on lately
I Don’t Know Why Anyone Is Even Surprised This Happened 🙄😤
Tell us what you know
Brilliant reporting
What was her motive i dont get it.
Jealousy and spoilt rotten
You're not supposed to get it if you're sane & have a conscience. Serial killers motivations differ - but 40% of female ones are nurses...
We'll probably never know fully.
Clap for the NHS
The NHS will probably give you clap.
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 nice one lol
By God’s Grace may his light and sense of Justice come through for these little lambs that belong to Him. For vengeance is the Lord’s. ❤
nonsense
She is a liar
She knew she was being investigated by the hospital, long before the police became involved, therefore she had the chance to run if she wanted to, although obviously that would strongly imply guilt. Instead, she continued right up until being moved to desk duties.
That she didn't run suggests either supreme arrogance that she would not be caught, or a serious fault in her psychology. It must surely have crossed her mind.
@@cupofteawithpoetry Exactly
Lock her up
Wow didn't know they have shown all the evidence yet .. tell all.
@@garyking9623 look at the diaries.
you know something we do not?
Thanks Angle
There are 3 types of angle.
So unprofessional nosing at parents on Facebook... Either she is lying or the two other nurses are. I know who i believe.
And the parents
In over 42yrs of nursing and still a nurse in the NHS, l have never ever looked on social media for any of my patients, so very very unprofessional and personally I’m not interested once patients leave my care that’s where my interest stops.As long as I’ve done my best for the patient and lve helped them in anyway l can within my professional capacity that’s the end of the relationship.
If the prosecution cant find actual evidence of her purposefully killing the newborns then they owe this woman a gigantic apology.
I believe she has spent the last couple years in jail 😳 😢
I agree, the masses have already deemed her guilty and I don't understand how she can have a fair trial with all the media attention over the past few years. There is no way the Jury are impartial.
They found notes at her house in her handwriting saying she killed them
she is as guilty as hell ..
@@derektaylor2941 she wrote "i k.lled them" "i did this" "im evil". See previous episodes.
Has she been sentenced yet
She hasn't even been found guilty yet...
@@ukguy yeah I just finished reading it, was the first trial hung jury or something?
Is that even Lucy Leyby's voice? It sounds like a reenactment.
it is a reenactment you absolute thicko 😂
7 months??????😮
No comments about her race? How refreshing 😂
How long has this trial been in progress. Never hear anything about it tbh.
Since last October 2022 😳
I have found the British press coverage very thin on the ground, and I think it’s probably due to court orders of what can be published in the UK. There is an American you tuber who has done at least 3 deep dive videos where she has gone through the time lines and pieced together evidence of parents and staff and medical experts. Puts everything into perspective.
@@katerinakaye2228 Can you supply a link to that please, Katerina?
Its possibly Stephanie Harlowe
@@420candle8 Thankyou, 420 Candle. I've just listened to her first episode and she came over as much clearer than these podcasts. An eloquent speaker who was able to follow a timeline rather than the presentation of evidence which seems a bit haphazard which these reporters had to follow. Different approaches but equally compelling.
What does she mean about the memory box
It was me who started it
Does this mean the memory box was Letbys concept
Is this a case of incompetence? Are there any drug issues?
No. Because some of the babies were harmed in ways unrelated to medical interventions, so can't be dismissed as negligence or accidental.
I don't think.uou need to say 'So' moving on to another baby case ..it's American slang misuse! Tough cases here
And, yes, Lucy was known to accept extra shifts - she was a “workaholic”… they were well aware of this - coupled with Lucy’s perfectionist attitude to her work. Easy to make the connection that Lucy WAS definitely targeted. IMHO - but I would not be surprised to learn others feel likewise. 😮❤…Lucy.
She is evenly beyond years!
Lucy - asked to change shift ? Could this have been “engineered” to get Lucy to work when there was a possibility that a given Baby might fail - thus, making it look like Lucy was responsible ? Could this be a factor in the “let’s denigrate and smear Lucy” theory camp. Lucy was NOT universally liked - I think we can accept this as a given - yes, even among her peers - and the post - conviction interviews with some of Lucy’s colleagues lends credibility to this. Lucy : 🐱🙂🌈⭐️💖♥️☀️🍷🌺
I gave up after 4 mins, because of the endless, unrelenting, padding with irrelevant information and pointless duplication.
Where’s all the women calling for background checks on nurses and doctors. Where’s all the protesters and people complaining. Suppose it’s only male police officers that are bad. Don’t hear anyone saying they don’t feel safe leaving their baby alone with a nurse.
A background check in this situation would have given no warning. A psychological evaluation, on the other hand!
As for ur police argument. It's just not relevant to this.
Yeah I’d leave my brown skinned baby with any nurse before a white cop
I don't feel safe leaving a baby alone with strangers, this just magnifies that feeling. Background checks are meaningless. She'd have passed every check until she was charged. And there are already systems to revoke the licenses of nurses who commit crimes.
An enhanced background check will show clear if there are no convictions so people can commit offences for years and not until they are caught and convicted will there be anything to show….it would valuable to check if the death rate reduced when she left previous jobs…
The fact she's a woman is why the media aren't demanding background checks, scapegoating all women, demanding new gender biased laws and even demanding female only curfews like they did for men after the killer copper.
THANKS TO LORD OF UNIVERSE
For what?
what?
Who pazuzu? Moloch? Great Gilgamesh?
Eze ....grow up
Letby gones be by gones ffs
wow so babies dont even deserve a name in death...WOW
Its just for the families privacy
The families have a right to confidentiality and haven't given the permission to air their child's names which is understandable. I would to
Data protection, people steal dead babies identities.
🙄 use your brain - it's to protect the victims families privacy - last thing they need is to be hounded by the media or acquaintances about the most traumatic experiences of their lives.
So obvious she is innocent. Who is responsible? Another Dr?
Is it obvious? Is your doubt reasonable?
Who care