@@2cents4u hookup pigmeat Martin and tell me this man ain't rapping over a break beat also the whole speaker system that y'all be claiming was actually started in the Carolinas that some Jamaican visitors seen and brought the idea back to Jamaica just saying you can look up early Proto Hip Hop also Kool herc couldn't play reggae or dancehall because the group they hang out with was African Americans so he played Funk songs like James Brown along with disco record like Apache then Coke La Rock was the first MC in he's from Carolina
hiphop did not start in the Caribbean !!! if so hiphop would have also been started in London, Toronto and Miami around the same time!!! especially seeing how Caribbean people were in UK London in higher numbers than the USA in the 1950 via wind rush generations. If Caribbean people invented hiphop that means it would of travel to all the destination they settled in just like how 'jazz, ragtime, scat & beatbox etc' music originated in the south via black americans and went up north when many black americans heavily migrated to New York, Chicago , St louis, Detroit etc (all of those black americans cities had/have big black american music scene). hiphop was already in USA via Harlem Renaissance in NYC!!................ did y'all contribute via partaking in black american culture like the whole world does YES!!! did y'all invent it NO!!!.
Caribbean (this subject is about Jamaicans) people been traveling the world for centuries. UK seen Jamaican Migration since the early 1800's... Jamaicans started EDM, Hip-Hop, Miami Bass, DJ Scratching, Beatbox and all that. We've been pioneering the scene much longer than you can remember. Leaders like Marcus Garvey brought Jamaica to the forefront of America and many more. But going back to the music. Artist like Harry Belafonte been hitting the music scenes as one of the most successful Jamaican artist in the 50's on up. Even the Miami Bass scene with the custom speaker boxes at parties and in your car was started by a Jamaican. Sounds like Ska, Reggae or Rock Steady been on the streams since the early 1900's. Going back to Pioneers like Miss Lou who brought the scene to many people around the world as early as 1912. With Theater Stage Shows that included Jazz, Ska, Rock Steady, Poetry and Comedic routines. DJ Kool-Herc brought his talents and knowledge from Jamaica where he set the DJ (Disc-Jockey) Scene in the Bronx back in the early 70s, where he brought and revolutionized the form of scratching and giving creation to the term sampling/looping while the DJ cut and scratches another track into a song that was already playing which no one in America ever saw or heard. Now about your reference to Black American Culture. Jamaica had a major role in freeing the structure Black America was being crushed under. Many revolutionaries of Americas time came from Jamaica or was influenced by one. Like Malcolm X mother working for the Marcus Garvey Movement as Secretary on his National Recording Team. Jamaica lead the movement of Black Americans leaving America to go back home to Africa. Which that movement sparked Black People from around the world to rename their children or themselves under African Names, getting rid of their ties to Slave Masters. Even leading to the Black Nationalists and sparking the B.L.A. (Black Liberation Army) and the Black Panthers. Jamaicans been in America for a very long time. Just look at the foundation of Jamaica Queens under the Dutch and then the English. So please stop the foolishness and acknowledge the greatness of the Island that influenced the world.
@@2cents4u Stop with the delusion of the inclusion lies!!! FUNK & Disco birth 2 genres of music !! House music (which was birth in Chicago by the black LGBTQ community!!) that became EDM!! & hiphop that was created by BLACK AMERICANS!! The beautiful thing about the world we live in today is that GOOGLE is free! & every black American museum such as the “AFRICAN AMERICAN SMITHSONIAN in Washington DC” will tell you the same thing I’m telling you now because FACTS & DOCUMENTATION of my people’s lineage is a real thing!! Side note: there are no raw materials to create sound systems/electronic etc in the carribean!! All sound systems were made/created in USA especially Detroit!! It’s quite obvious that black Americans would have that technology first (seeing how black American engineers invented certain aspects of those electronic systems) . If we’re going to tell history please tell the truth !!! And stop with this jealousy of black Americans & our history/culture
@@2cents4u As for Marcus Garvey & his contribution to black Americans!! Once again tell the full story & stop this deflecting & projecting like white People!! Garvey (like the whole diaspora copied off of us) got inspired by BOOKER T WASHINGTON (black American) concept of former slaves afro Americans aka BLACK PEOPLE united in America towards building our own schools (now known as HBCU), inventions, politicians (like Frederick Douglass) & various institutions that are all still around over a century later!! Garvery took that concept global !! & that’s how you get the go back to Africa movement aka pan Africanism!!! Garvey & every other immigrant of the African diaspora/non African diaspora that came to USA to help black Americans are doing so on my people’s infrastructure!!!!!!!! I’m not negating the work y’all did but let’s be honest with ourselves!! BLACK AMERICANS have & will always be the leaders in liberation/freedom!! Black Americans have been leading even when USA wasn’t even a global supper power. These are facts!!
ua-cam.com/video/Ohq9h6QIcHY/v-deo.html here's some proof that Jamaicans did not create hip-hop pigmeat Martin is rapping over a Beat that is actually a break beat
Here is a TRUE history lesson of the origin of hip hop. "Kool Herc went on Maury Polvich show to take a lie detector test' and the test results came back "YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER" it is very clear hip hop and rap music is African Americans culture and music created and originated by African Americans not carribeans or kool herc. he moved to america at age 12 in 1967. around the time hip hop was bubbling up. you telling me he brought hip hop culture or music with him. Herc didn't create or originate nothing in hip hop including extending / juggling, looping break beats or the merry go round the made up name he created for it. he leaarned all of that from african american DJ's. he just wants to be in the history books. he used to tell the truth early on. He said he used to attend disco parties and the djs were playing break beats while the people there were breakin and yes that was the term used in 1970 for break dancing. being done before herc. he wasnt the first to do anything in hip hop including his merry go round technique. Disco DJ's at disco clubs and parties would extend the breakdown of records for as long as 20 minutes at times to get the kids to get funky or break dance. That is what break dance means to dance on the breakdowns, DJ's would loop the break from turntable to turntable while the kids got funky on the dance floor break dancing. soul train was started in the late 60s in chicago as traveling record hops by Don Cornelius, where he traveled around to different venues putting on his dance record hops. the show went live on tv in 1970 were young kids dance to the latest funk soul rnb music. the soul train line literally was the DJ playing extended beats of records while the soul train dancers would do the latest dance crazes like poppin pop lockin robot breakin and hundreds more dance crazes. that was watched by millions. this was the early foundation of hip hop which included james brown who used to dance to extended breakdowns of the beat for as long as 30 minutes in his shows. Some may say pigmeat markums here comes the judge, is not a hip hop record but it has every element and the black spades and others around those neighborhoods who are the real founders of pretty much every element of hip hop culture said that is who they were copying when they would battle snap (rap) to music at block parties and just on the street corners in the neighborhood. block parties, toasting, sound systems, rapping, breakin, graffiti, and every other element of hip hop was created and influenced here in America by African American's. Not the Caribbeans. U-roy and other Jamaican Artists and toasters said they got their music culture from our music and DJ's so how could they have originated it. in fact, ska, rocksteady, and reggae music was directly inspired by African American music and culture. Many of the early pioneers of ska and rock steady which became reggae music said they were copying and inspired by African American music, and culture. FBA (Foundational Black Americans) originated and created hip hop period. not kool herc or carribeans. Herc did not create the extended breakbeat. So that is out. he didnt create the merry go round technique, he just put a name to what he was copying. African Americans created most of the worlds most popular music genras and subcultures. that is a fact. so stop with the ambiguity and if you are trying to truly get to the truth, then tell the truth and stop leaving it open for interpretation. African Americans created hip hop and rap period. Rap literally goes all the way back to slavery in the usa. kool herc and other carribeans here contributed and participated like the rest of the early pioneers. but they didnt start nothing accept maybe grandmaster flash with some of his techinlogical inventions and theories around turntabalism, but that is not the creation of turntabalism, deejaying or hip hop, but an elevation. a contribution of one element of the art form. if Jamaicans were listening to African Americans DJ's (Deejays) and were inspired to copy it, they couldn't have done it first, thus they didn't create it. dancehall which started in the late 70s was a speed up more rhythmic reggae inspired music form which was inspired by ska, which was literally inspired by African American music and DJs. see how the ball goes around. you people at this point ( And I'm talking to some of the people in your comments and just in general about these debates and responding to some of the statements you made in your videos), are down right disrespecting African Americans and their long and arduous creation of the culture. let me again explain it to yah, in my fake Jamaican accent. i love my Jamaica seestas and brudas but this gotta stop. The rhythmic rhyming of vocals of African American toasting (Jive Talking) influenced the development of toasting in Jamaica and development of the dancehall style In the late 1950s deejay toasting (In Jamaica) was developed by Count Matchuki. He conceived the idea from listening to disc jockeys on American radio stations. He would do African American jive over the music while selecting and playing R&B music. Deejays like Count Machuki working for producers would play the latest hits on traveling sound systems (African American inspired mobile Dj systems) at parties and add their toasts or vocals to the music. These toasts consisted of comedy, boastful commentaries, half-sung rhymes, rhythmic chants, squeals, screams and rhymed storytelling, which was inspired by African American minstral shows and stage shows (Of course they added their own flare making it their own style) but that's my point. Creativity comes from inspiration. They were inspired by African American Deejaying and Music Culture but they then made it their own. That's like how everything else is created Later in the 1960s toasting deejays included U-Roy and Dennis Alcapone, the latter known for mixing gangster talk with humor in his toasting. In the early 1970s, toasting deejays included I-Roy (his nickname is in homage to U-Roy) and Dillinger, the latter known for his humorous toasting style. In the early 1970s Big Youth became popular. In the late 1970s, Trinity followed and they all said they were inspired by and emulating African American music and culture with their own flair. This all comes back around full circle to African American Culture and music. Not saying we created everything but out of shear necessity we created our own cultures and music, as well as many other American traditions. sometimes we get credit for it but in the broader scheme of things it is hidden from American society and thus hidden from the world as a form of deliberate oppression and deliberate cultural appropriation. This goes on a lot. We don't get the credit for a lot of our contributions to the world. and really it's by design. These historians know the truth about it but African Americans are discredited in place of other people. This has to stop. Go read a book on the inventions and innovations that African Americans have contributed to the world and you will literally be shocked beyond belief. how can you be the root of hip hop music when hip hop music is literally African American music. disco, r&b ,funk ,jazz, and anything else you wanna mix in there that we created. Herc already said it was alread bubbling up and he was inspired by other DJ's and what he was hearing and seeing. if he wasnt the first to juggle break beats, didnt create or the music that was inspiring it, he wasnt the first throwing parties in the park. wasnt the first throwing house partys, how could he have invented it. This is a stupid argument. he came over here and seen African Americans are lit. and got inspired like everyone else in the world. hes not the creator. one of the early pioneers yes. creator no. Herc literally does not even know how to dj. Look at what he is doing in his video explaining the merry go round technique which is just beat juggling and looping or extending the beat. It literally does not match up to how cross fading works. He is a huge fraud and liar. That is why you see no video of him dj'ing and your telling me this guy created extended break beat juggling and looping and hip hop. This is blasphemy in its highest form and literally the text book definition of cultural appropriation, and it is being deliberately and blindly spread around the world, stealing the real credit from the real African American pioneers and creators. Pete DJ Jones and DJ Flowers were some of the first to isolate the instrument break beat and extend and loop it, The get down. And that was influenced by James Brown shouting out get down and him dancing to the breakdowns and getting funky. That was the first DJ'S doing what Kool Herc named his merry go round technique. He didnt create it. Rappers Delight literally copied that song by the Jubilaires' in this video Go Listen To Rappers Delight' it Sounds Just Like the jubilairs rapping in the 40s. They just changed the words' it is the same exact cadence' That cadence is the exact cadence and rapping flow of all hip hop in the 70s and 80s the foundation of hip hop' the black spades the true founders of hip hop culture said they were mimicking them and Pigmeat Markum during their snap battles which is basically battle rapping or cracking on each other over a beat and sometimes without a beat' So No! Kool Herc or Caribbeans did not create or inspire hip hop. It was actually the other way around. African American culture and music inspired Carribean culture. Was he and other Caribbeans early contributors and pioneers, yes. They contributed, but founding fathers no.
@Natasha L. John agreed that Puerto Rican took credit for reggaeton, but it was Jamaicans when they moved there to help build the Panama Canal. But people have been rapping and using breakbeats and speaker systems before Jamaicans look up somebody called pigmeat Martin. Also cool hurt hang around African Americans because he DJs at those parties and it couldn't play dancehall and reggae because the crowd didn't enjoy it. Also there's the first MC ever Coke La Rock who was one of the first people who rapped over a microphone. His family also came from the Carolinas isn't that hilarious how a lot of the rappers came from that area. Also while you're at it look up The jubilaires they were also rapping so really Hip Hop was being done before the Caribbean people got here
Huey Percy Newton (February 17, 1942 - August 22, 1989) was an African-American revolutionary, founder of blk panther party and political activist. Not Caribbean
ua-cam.com/video/Wx0oU1OnHf8/v-deo.html I'm in a generous mood so here's some more proof that it didn't start in Jamaica that hip-hop was something that was happening in the United States this is 1949 the person that's actually rapping is named Ted Brooks so let's chill out with Caribbean music starting hip-hop I think I have a better idea that y'all heard it over the radio like y'all heard R&B and everything and it inspired y'all to make similar but unique to your cultures music
Most of the Islanders in California, are in Culver City or Inglewood, I grew up around the carribean community for a little bit. There are some major differences and also some strong similarities in culture practices with different names. I hated that Steve Segal movie too 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 My elders, shaped me to have manners and be a well rounded and cultured lady. My parentals reinforced their teachings, being courteous ain't got nothing to do with being bitter personality wise. Patience is a virtue, and other people's problems will not bring me out of character. Other people ruin their image, but that doesn't give me right to treat them bad either. My elders taught me, you ain't gotta act a fool because everyone else is. Set your boundaries, but you ain't gotta be cruel with them.
@@LiveAtTheBarbershop Are you serious? Jamaican music was influenced by black Americans music and u know that.Black Americans created all forms of music in America and all other music was influenced by black Americans music.Your own fire father has told u over and over.Toasting was copied from our jive talk on the radio.We have all the history to prove it and yall only have,well that person or this person has carribean lineage,not understanding that his lineage doesn't play a part at all, they'll cos playing black Americans culture.You can keep lying to yourself but it doesn't change the true facts Yall not like us at all and historically shows that till today,just be u and stop cos playing us,its its like putting on black face even tho u have melanin in y skin
Big daddy Kane family from South Carolina! What y’all lying for ? Kool Herc never once played any West Indian music
Thank you for the info
HIP HOP DIDN'T START FROM THE CARIBBEAN
Prove it.
@@2cents4u It's been debunked all over the internet, I don't know what rock you've been hiding under.
@@2cents4u it didn't
@@2cents4u Its up to you to prove it did'
@@2cents4u hookup pigmeat Martin and tell me this man ain't rapping over a break beat also the whole speaker system that y'all be claiming was actually started in the Carolinas that some Jamaican visitors seen and brought the idea back to Jamaica just saying you can look up early Proto Hip Hop also Kool herc couldn't play reggae or dancehall because the group they hang out with was African Americans so he played Funk songs like James Brown along with disco record like Apache then Coke La Rock was the first MC in he's from Carolina
hiphop did not start in the Caribbean !!! if so hiphop would have also been started in London, Toronto and Miami around the same time!!! especially seeing how Caribbean people were in UK London in higher numbers than the USA in the 1950 via wind rush generations. If Caribbean people invented hiphop that means it would of travel to all the destination they settled in just like how 'jazz, ragtime, scat & beatbox etc' music originated in the south via black americans and went up north when many black americans heavily migrated to New York, Chicago , St louis, Detroit etc (all of those black americans cities had/have big black american music scene). hiphop was already in USA via Harlem Renaissance in NYC!!................ did y'all contribute via partaking in black american culture like the whole world does YES!!! did y'all invent it NO!!!.
Caribbean (this subject is about Jamaicans) people been traveling the world for centuries. UK seen Jamaican Migration since the early 1800's...
Jamaicans started EDM, Hip-Hop, Miami Bass, DJ Scratching, Beatbox and all that. We've been pioneering the scene much longer than you can remember. Leaders like Marcus Garvey brought Jamaica to the forefront of America and many more. But going back to the music. Artist like Harry Belafonte been hitting the music scenes as one of the most successful Jamaican artist in the 50's on up. Even the Miami Bass scene with the custom speaker boxes at parties and in your car was started by a Jamaican. Sounds like Ska, Reggae or Rock Steady been on the streams since the early 1900's. Going back to Pioneers like Miss Lou who brought the scene to many people around the world as early as 1912. With Theater Stage Shows that included Jazz, Ska, Rock Steady, Poetry and Comedic routines. DJ Kool-Herc brought his talents and knowledge from Jamaica where he set the DJ (Disc-Jockey) Scene in the Bronx back in the early 70s, where he brought and revolutionized the form of scratching and giving creation to the term sampling/looping while the DJ cut and scratches another track into a song that was already playing which no one in America ever saw or heard.
Now about your reference to Black American Culture. Jamaica had a major role in freeing the structure Black America was being crushed under. Many revolutionaries of Americas time came from Jamaica or was influenced by one. Like Malcolm X mother working for the Marcus Garvey Movement as Secretary on his National Recording Team. Jamaica lead the movement of Black Americans leaving America to go back home to Africa. Which that movement sparked Black People from around the world to rename their children or themselves under African Names, getting rid of their ties to Slave Masters. Even leading to the Black Nationalists and sparking the B.L.A. (Black Liberation Army) and the Black Panthers. Jamaicans been in America for a very long time. Just look at the foundation of Jamaica Queens under the Dutch and then the English.
So please stop the foolishness and acknowledge the greatness of the Island that influenced the world.
@JaVion Riley You don't look or sound like a Foundational Black American, why are you on here stirring up trouble?
@@2cents4u All lies, Caribbean blacks played no major role in anything American.
@@2cents4u
Stop with the delusion of the inclusion lies!!! FUNK & Disco birth 2 genres of music !! House music (which was birth in Chicago by the black LGBTQ community!!) that became EDM!! & hiphop that was created by BLACK AMERICANS!!
The beautiful thing about the world we live in today is that GOOGLE is free! & every black American museum such as the “AFRICAN AMERICAN SMITHSONIAN in Washington DC” will tell you the same thing I’m telling you now because FACTS & DOCUMENTATION of my people’s lineage is a real thing!!
Side note: there are no raw materials to create sound systems/electronic etc in the carribean!! All sound systems were made/created in USA especially Detroit!! It’s quite obvious that black Americans would have that technology first (seeing how black American engineers invented certain aspects of those electronic systems) . If we’re going to tell history please tell the truth !!! And stop with this jealousy of black Americans & our history/culture
@@2cents4u
As for Marcus Garvey & his contribution to black Americans!! Once again tell the full story & stop this deflecting & projecting like white People!! Garvey (like the whole diaspora copied off of us) got inspired by BOOKER T WASHINGTON (black American) concept of former slaves afro Americans aka BLACK PEOPLE united in America towards building our own schools (now known as HBCU), inventions, politicians (like Frederick Douglass) & various institutions that are all still around over a century later!! Garvery took that concept global !! & that’s how you get the go back to Africa movement aka pan Africanism!!!
Garvey & every other immigrant of the African diaspora/non African diaspora that came to USA to help black Americans are doing so on my people’s infrastructure!!!!!!!! I’m not negating the work y’all did but let’s be honest with ourselves!! BLACK AMERICANS have & will always be the leaders in liberation/freedom!! Black Americans have been leading even when USA wasn’t even a global supper power. These are facts!!
ua-cam.com/video/Ohq9h6QIcHY/v-deo.html here's some proof that Jamaicans did not create hip-hop pigmeat Martin is rapping over a Beat that is actually a break beat
We were just saying a lot of artists we’re from the islands as was stated.
Just admit y'all had to adapt to the culture
This is in 1941
ua-cam.com/video/ahoJReiCaPk/v-deo.html
@@blac-mode yes the same way America adapted to the Caribbean culture
Here is a TRUE history lesson of the origin of hip hop.
"Kool Herc went on Maury Polvich show to take a lie detector test' and the test results came back "YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER"
it is very clear hip hop and rap music is African Americans culture and music created and originated by African Americans not carribeans or kool herc. he moved to america at age 12 in 1967. around the time hip hop was bubbling up. you telling me he brought hip hop culture or music with him. Herc didn't create or originate nothing in hip hop including extending / juggling, looping break beats or the merry go round the made up name he created for it. he leaarned all of that from african american DJ's. he just wants to be in the history books. he used to tell the truth early on. He said he used to attend disco parties and the djs were playing break beats while the people there were breakin and yes that was the term used in 1970 for break dancing. being done before herc. he wasnt the first to do anything in hip hop including his merry go round technique. Disco DJ's at disco clubs and parties would extend the breakdown of records for as long as 20 minutes at times to get the kids to get funky or break dance. That is what break dance means to dance on the breakdowns, DJ's would loop the break from turntable to turntable while the kids got funky on the dance floor break dancing. soul train was started in the late 60s in chicago as traveling record hops by Don Cornelius, where he traveled around to different venues putting on his dance record hops. the show went live on tv in 1970 were young kids dance to the latest funk soul rnb music. the soul train line literally was the DJ playing extended beats of records while the soul train dancers would do the latest dance crazes like poppin pop lockin robot breakin and hundreds more dance crazes. that was watched by millions. this was the early foundation of hip hop which included james brown who used to dance to extended breakdowns of the beat for as long as 30 minutes in his shows. Some may say pigmeat markums here comes the judge, is not a hip hop record but it has every element and the black spades and others around those neighborhoods who are the real founders of pretty much every element of hip hop culture said that is who they were copying when they would battle snap (rap) to music at block parties and just on the street corners in the neighborhood. block parties, toasting, sound systems, rapping, breakin, graffiti, and every other element of hip hop was created and influenced here in America by African American's. Not the Caribbeans. U-roy and other Jamaican Artists and toasters said they got their music culture from our music and DJ's so how could they have originated it. in fact, ska, rocksteady, and reggae music was directly inspired by African American music and culture. Many of the early pioneers of ska and rock steady which became reggae music said they were copying and inspired by African American music, and culture. FBA (Foundational Black Americans) originated and created hip hop period. not kool herc or carribeans. Herc did not create the extended breakbeat. So that is out. he didnt create the merry go round technique, he just put a name to what he was copying. African Americans created most of the worlds most popular music genras and subcultures. that is a fact. so stop with the ambiguity and if you are trying to truly get to the truth, then tell the truth and stop leaving it open for interpretation. African Americans created hip hop and rap period. Rap literally goes all the way back to slavery in the usa. kool herc and other carribeans here contributed and participated like the rest of the early pioneers. but they didnt start nothing accept maybe grandmaster flash with some of his techinlogical inventions and theories around turntabalism, but that is not the creation of turntabalism, deejaying or hip hop, but an elevation. a contribution of one element of the art form.
if Jamaicans were listening to African Americans DJ's (Deejays) and were inspired to copy it, they couldn't have done it first, thus they didn't create it. dancehall which started in the late 70s was a speed up more rhythmic reggae inspired music form which was inspired by ska, which was literally inspired by African American music and DJs. see how the ball goes around. you people at this point ( And I'm talking to some of the people in your comments and just in general about these debates and responding to some of the statements you made in your videos), are down right disrespecting African Americans and their long and arduous creation of the culture. let me again explain it to yah, in my fake Jamaican accent. i love my Jamaica seestas and brudas but this gotta stop.
The rhythmic rhyming of vocals of African American toasting (Jive Talking) influenced the development of toasting in Jamaica and development of the dancehall style
In the late 1950s deejay toasting (In Jamaica) was developed by Count Matchuki. He conceived the idea from listening to disc jockeys on American radio stations. He would do African American jive over the music while selecting and playing R&B music. Deejays like Count Machuki working for producers would play the latest hits on traveling sound systems (African American inspired mobile Dj systems) at parties and add their toasts or vocals to the music. These toasts consisted of comedy, boastful commentaries, half-sung rhymes, rhythmic chants, squeals, screams and rhymed storytelling, which was inspired by African American minstral shows and stage shows (Of course they added their own flare making it their own style) but that's my point. Creativity comes from inspiration. They were inspired by African American Deejaying and Music Culture but they then made it their own. That's like how everything else is created
Later in the 1960s toasting deejays included U-Roy and Dennis Alcapone, the latter known for mixing gangster talk with humor in his toasting. In the early 1970s, toasting deejays included I-Roy (his nickname is in homage to U-Roy) and Dillinger, the latter known for his humorous toasting style. In the early 1970s Big Youth became popular. In the late 1970s, Trinity followed and they all said they were inspired by and emulating African American music and culture with their own flair.
This all comes back around full circle to African American Culture and music. Not saying we created everything but out of shear necessity we created our own cultures and music, as well as many other American traditions. sometimes we get credit for it but in the broader scheme of things it is hidden from American society and thus hidden from the world as a form of deliberate oppression and deliberate cultural appropriation. This goes on a lot. We don't get the credit for a lot of our contributions to the world. and really it's by design. These historians know the truth about it but African Americans are discredited in place of other people.
This has to stop. Go read a book on the inventions and innovations that African Americans have contributed to the world and you will literally be shocked beyond belief.
how can you be the root of hip hop music when hip hop music is literally African American music. disco, r&b ,funk ,jazz, and anything else you wanna mix in there that we created. Herc already said it was alread bubbling up and he was inspired by other DJ's and what he was hearing and seeing. if he wasnt the first to juggle break beats, didnt create or the music that was inspiring it, he wasnt the first throwing parties in the park. wasnt the first throwing house partys, how could he have invented it. This is a stupid argument. he came over here and seen African Americans are lit. and got inspired like everyone else in the world. hes not the creator. one of the early pioneers yes. creator no.
Herc literally does not even know how to dj. Look at what he is doing in his video explaining the merry go round technique which is just beat juggling and looping or extending the beat. It literally does not match up to how cross fading works. He is a huge fraud and liar. That is why you see no video of him dj'ing and your telling me this guy created extended break beat juggling and looping and hip hop. This is blasphemy in its highest form and literally the text book definition of cultural appropriation, and it is being deliberately and blindly spread around the world, stealing the real credit from the real African American pioneers and creators.
Pete DJ Jones and DJ Flowers were some of the first to isolate the instrument break beat and extend and loop it, The get down. And that was influenced by James Brown shouting out get down and him dancing to the breakdowns and getting funky. That was the first DJ'S doing what Kool Herc named his merry go round technique. He didnt create it.
Rappers Delight literally copied that song by the Jubilaires' in this video Go Listen To Rappers Delight' it Sounds Just Like the jubilairs rapping in the 40s. They just changed the words' it is the same exact cadence' That cadence is the exact cadence and rapping flow of all hip hop in the 70s and 80s the foundation of hip hop' the black spades the true founders of hip hop culture said they were mimicking them and Pigmeat Markum during their snap battles which is basically battle rapping or cracking on each other over a beat and sometimes without a beat' So No! Kool Herc or Caribbeans did not create or inspire hip hop. It was actually the other way around. African American culture and music inspired Carribean culture. Was he and other Caribbeans early contributors and pioneers, yes. They contributed, but founding fathers no.
Ah book! Stop tell lie. It was Jamaicans who did that. Started it all. Same thing as Reggaeton in Panama. Jamaica influence and expats.
@Natasha L. John agreed that Puerto Rican took credit for reggaeton, but it was Jamaicans when they moved there to help build the Panama Canal. But people have been rapping and using breakbeats and speaker systems before Jamaicans look up somebody called pigmeat Martin. Also cool hurt hang around African Americans because he DJs at those parties and it couldn't play dancehall and reggae because the crowd didn't enjoy it. Also there's the first MC ever Coke La Rock who was one of the first people who rapped over a microphone. His family also came from the Carolinas isn't that hilarious how a lot of the rappers came from that area. Also while you're at it look up The jubilaires they were also rapping so really Hip Hop was being done before the Caribbean people got here
we need another one for sure we need more spaces to have these conversations
We are working on it
Huey Percy Newton (February 17, 1942 - August 22, 1989) was an African-American revolutionary, founder of blk panther party and political activist. Not Caribbean
Stockley Carmichael didn’t star the Black panthers !
ua-cam.com/video/Wx0oU1OnHf8/v-deo.html I'm in a generous mood so here's some more proof that it didn't start in Jamaica that hip-hop was something that was happening in the United States this is 1949 the person that's actually rapping is named Ted Brooks so let's chill out with Caribbean music starting hip-hop I think I have a better idea that y'all heard it over the radio like y'all heard R&B and everything and it inspired y'all to make similar but unique to your cultures music
@smitty753 thank you for your comment
Most of the Islanders in California, are in Culver City or Inglewood, I grew up around the carribean community for a little bit. There are some major differences and also some strong similarities in culture practices with different names. I hated that Steve Segal movie too 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 My elders, shaped me to have manners and be a well rounded and cultured lady. My parentals reinforced their teachings, being courteous ain't got nothing to do with being bitter personality wise. Patience is a virtue, and other people's problems will not bring me out of character. Other people ruin their image, but that doesn't give me right to treat them bad either. My elders taught me, you ain't gotta act a fool because everyone else is. Set your boundaries, but you ain't gotta be cruel with them.
One question for you Amy......how big is the west indian culture in california?
Belizeans run Los Angeles California so you in the wrong part of California
Huge lie
Haiti didn't have any impact on our freedom,do you know the hundreds of uprising in North America
What impact y'all made
Thank you for your response, but who are you talking about when you stated "What impact y'all made" and are you caribbean.
@@LiveAtTheBarbershop Caribbean people in general.
@@juniormiles6773 ...╰(￣ω￣ｏ) please stop. Learn History and stop listening to that watered down garbage that out these lame schools.
I am Haitian and I don't know why this Haitian is on the panel.
What was the problem?
Why are having this conversation today. Why haven't you educated you all selves on you all history.
Look beyond the colonist narrative people
Y'all just sat here and spoke on education and u turn around and just straight lied about hip hop
How is it a lie?
@@LiveAtTheBarbershop Are you serious? Jamaican music was influenced by black Americans music and u know that.Black Americans created all forms of music in America and all other music was influenced by black Americans music.Your own fire father has told u over and over.Toasting was copied from our jive talk on the radio.We have all the history to prove it and yall only have,well that person or this person has carribean lineage,not understanding that his lineage doesn't play a part at all, they'll cos playing black Americans culture.You can keep lying to yourself but it doesn't change the true facts Yall not like us at all and historically shows that till today,just be u and stop cos playing us,its its like putting on black face even tho u have melanin in y skin
Y'all have like 15 artists stop it
What's your beef with carribean people.
@@kyleedwards6310 You clearly talking about us.
@@juniormiles6773 I guess so
@@kyleedwards6310They hate themselves