OMG! I am a BELIEVER! These RPM Filters are phenomenal! I really wasn't expecting THAT much of a difference! WOW! 🤩 Full-throttle, hair-pin turns and no prop wash?!? Are you kiddin' me?!? 🤯 Where has this been my whole life? Thank you Betaflight Dev's, Jflight, & JazzMaverick!! Support the BF Dev's through link below! Have you experienced this yet?
Great video. One thing to add, if the quad is setup correctly and flying well, the goal would be to move both the Multiplier Sliders to the right, test- flying and feeling the motors in between every few notches. The further you go to the right(which decreases filtering), the more control you will gain, and the less bouncing and floating around you will have. If your motors get hot or you experience weird loss of control or flyaways, pull the sliders back to the left a couple notches(which adds a little filtering back). Currently with my 3" iFlight DC3 build, I've got both of my multiplier Sliders moved 8 notches to the right, from the default(middle) position. But, every quad will behave differently, so gradual changes are best.
Hey Carbon Icarus! Yes, absolutely, thank you for explaining those details🙏Your info is what I was alluding to at the 22:55 time hack. Sounds to me like you've got yourself an awesome setup there 👍 How's she flyin'?
As always, great video Mac! Very clear explanation. If you would like a suggestion on another video, I would like to recommend one or more episodes on RPM filters, where you go more in details on how to adjust the filters with some either real or hypothetical scenarios. For example, you can explain how to fine tune the filters based on how the quad reacts and flies based on previous settings. Hopefully this makes sense. Have a great Easter and stay safe and healthy! Cheers, Sam
I've been reluctant to set these up because my drones are solid and locked in, But I did today I updated my 5" drone. I hope today when I fly I can see the difference. Thanks for the video.
Wow! After watching this video, and applying the settings - My 5” quad now flys so smoothly and the jitters are gone!! I have been in FPV for a year and never understood RPM filtering until now. Thanks Tmac for the clear instructions!
Thank you very much for clear instructions and explanations! I really enjoy your approach, with all the flowcharts, hardcopies os instructions and so on! This is huge amount of work, really appreciate it!
@@TMacFPV Haha! You're too kind! I actually do use RPM filtering. I wasn't comfortable with going from DSHOT1200 to DSHOT600, but it works awesome! Happy Easter to you too brother!
Hey TMac! Thanks a lot for that helpful guide. It contains a well done tutorial in a excellent overview. It helped me a lot for finish my iFlight DC3 settings. My goal is to reduce the propwash. Also thanks to Carbon Icarus FPV.
I have a question. Looking at the log values, it seems that the rear 1 and 3 motor values are lower than the front motors 2 and 4. Is this correct to see that it uses a large propeller and a high rpm motor on the back side and is generating more output than the displayed value?
@@TMacFPV Not yet. I have only few flights on my Dc3. We just had a snowstorm so no outdoor tests this week.. I was waiting to do this and now with your video and great checklist, I have all the tools. We are very fortunate to have a natural / professional teacher who generously share his expertise / knowledge! I look forward to your weekly presentations Thank You!
@@joebasque2655 Thanks Joe, much appreciated! Snowstorm?! You're gonna love these RPM filters. Let me know how she flies with 'em. Stay safe and have fun!
Hello Tmac, thank you for your wonderful videos. I am trying to flash using Bheli_S but the configurator is identifying only 3 ESCs..should be be 4 right? I am using a STABLE F411 BLheli_S 4IN1 12A ESC 4 motors are working all right. any clue? tks a lot.
Question: If I have a smaller cinewhoop similar to an umm95 or beta95x it has a 2-4s 20A FC belheli_S and 1204 5000kv motors in JESC should I flash it with 24hz or 48hz?
I´m building a 2.5" 2S micro with 1103 motors at 8000kv. Would you recommend the 24 or 48 khz JESC firmware? And do you know if I need to do additional settings in Betaflight to get 48khz set up?
@@TMacFPV Thank you kindly my good sir! The reason I ask is I tried setting up RPM filtering according to Joshua Bardwells instruction, but it flew like absolute garbage! Now I tried using your settings (that might be better suited for micros) but it still flies like excrement, major vibrations and prop wash at every turn, especially in the yaw it seems, so I guess I´ll have to try some tuning! Would you recommend tuning the pids or the filters first?
Sir please help for hotter motor setting for betaflight 4.2 and rpm filter. My notor is hot when using default settings. But after move both slider to far left. It improves but still warm motor around 15c-20c degrees. What is best setting to get rid of this stupid noisy signal? I almost give up on this jhemcu ghf411aio matek f411 aio 30a.
Hey HelioGenesis-HS! No worries, friend you got this! If you're using the Betaflight "defaults" for your PIDs (even though you've moved the filter sliders left), that may be your issue. This is because you've got a "micro quad" (based on the type of flight controller/ESC you've told me you have). Following the steps in this short Micro FPV Tuning Guide Playlist should help you out. ua-cam.com/play/PLKAiYAaTdvmoXyDzrPWj9-sxv4m1GNKCT.html Keep in mind, if after flight, you're able to gently press your fingers on the outside of the motor for 10-15 seconds without feeling the need to remove your fingers from it due to excessive heat, the motor temp is most likely ok.
@@TMacFPV hi again sir. Quick question. Do u think placing receiver on top of aio flights controler will effect gyro noise? I have placed receiver on top of aio with 2 plate double tape seem with tuning cool down motor abit with angle mode testing. Whats ur opinion sir? Should i place receiver higher away from aio? Thanks again for the throughly easy to understand pid tuning guides. Subbed
Hi TMAC im using a CrazybeeF4 PRO V2 from a Mobula7 but there is`nt a tab for number of Magnets in the Betaflight Configuration. Anyone here face the same issue? im using betaflight 10.7.0 currently.
You have to have Bi-directional D Shot toggled on and ESC firmware installed that supports it (i.e. if using BlHeli_S ESCs, you'll need JESC firmware installed on your ESCs or JazzMaverick v16.73): github.com/betaflight/betaflight/wiki/Bidirectional-DSHOT-and-RPM-Filter
You are correct. I've read various threads on this topic. Developer of JazzMaverick firmware chose to implement things i the firmware which are not the same standards/protocol for use withe Betaflight. My simplistic interpretation of this is JazzMaverick firmware above 16.73 version doesn't "speak the same language" as Betaflight expects. This is the reason I mention in this video I prefer JESC. It works really well, I don't have to think about what version works and doesn't, and it only costs about $6 (a very small fee considering the amount of time and effort that went into its development for us AND it increases our flight time (on every flight) by up to 30% on "smallish" motors (11xx and down). IF you really want to use JazzMaverick, I'd highly recommend to go with the Betaflight Dev's recommendation to use only 16.73. JESC though works really well and is soooo easy to implement (shown in video).
Yes you can, depending. . . I use 300 for best stability. Scroll down to "DShot 150, 300, or 600?" section on this site github.com/betaflight/betaflight/wiki/Bidirectional-DSHOT-and-RPM-Filter May have "loop time" limitations based on what type flight controller you have. See (scroll down to) "More Accurate Loop Times" section on this site: github.com/betaflight/betaflight/wiki/4.2-Tuning-Notes
@@TMacFPV I updated the firmware on my flight controller and esc. I switched on Bi-directional DSHOT in BetaFlight. When I look at the motors tab, I'm shown a 100% error on my motors. BetaFlight is updated, and I had my battery plugged in at this point. Do you have any insight as to why I'm getting this error on the motors and if at all possible to fix or adjust it.
Hey Joel, great to hear from you! At the 1:50 time of video I explain JESC is a "stable version" and JazzMaverick (per BF Wiki) is a Beta version. Each was developed by a different person. JESC was created by Joe Lucid who, to my knowledge, is the main person (others involved too) who actually developed bi-directional DShot (required for RPM filters) and gave to Betaflight. JazzMaverick is an attempt to do the same thing by another individual (not sure of name) but as Open source and at no charge. I do not know whether the mathematics/coding is the same for each or not.
TMac thanks for the comprehensive reply appreciate it 😊 I skipped directly to the BLHeli S part that’s why I missed it hahahahaha love the time stamp content thing. Btw keep up the good work and love your straight forward no fuss explanation. Looking forward to your coverage on betaflight 4.2
OMG! I am a BELIEVER! These RPM Filters are phenomenal! I really wasn't expecting THAT much of a difference! WOW! 🤩 Full-throttle, hair-pin turns and no prop wash?!? Are you kiddin' me?!? 🤯
Where has this been my whole life? Thank you Betaflight Dev's, Jflight, & JazzMaverick!! Support the BF Dev's through link below!
Have you experienced this yet?
TMac is this applicable to micro whoops? Like 65mm, 75mm?
Great video. One thing to add, if the quad is setup correctly and flying well, the goal would be to move both the Multiplier Sliders to the right, test- flying and feeling the motors in between every few notches. The further you go to the right(which decreases filtering), the more control you will gain, and the less bouncing and floating around you will have. If your motors get hot or you experience weird loss of control or flyaways, pull the sliders back to the left a couple notches(which adds a little filtering back). Currently with my 3" iFlight DC3 build, I've got both of my multiplier Sliders moved 8 notches to the right, from the default(middle) position. But, every quad will behave differently, so gradual changes are best.
Hey Carbon Icarus! Yes, absolutely, thank you for explaining those details🙏Your info is what I was alluding to at the 22:55 time hack. Sounds to me like you've got yourself an awesome setup there 👍 How's she flyin'?
Appreciate the extra info
Thank you, this is good info as well.
Just wanted to say THANK YOU! This was the easiest video to follow on how to install and do the RPM filter.
You're quite welcome Richard👍I very much appreciate you making the time to comment! Have a blast, Journey to Better and Clear Skies my friend 🌞😁
Thank you so much. I have been trying to watch videos that show how to do this but the way you explained it really helped.
Sure thing Dion!👍😁
As always, great video Mac! Very clear explanation.
If you would like a suggestion on another video, I would like to recommend one or more episodes on RPM filters, where you go more in details on how to adjust the filters with some either real or hypothetical scenarios. For example, you can explain how to fine tune the filters based on how the quad reacts and flies based on previous settings. Hopefully this makes sense.
Have a great Easter and stay safe and healthy!
Cheers,
Sam
Thanks Sam, I appreciate your suggestions. You too have a wonderful Easter & weekend 😁👍
@@TMacFPV I agree with Sam
I've been reluctant to set these up because my drones are solid and locked in, But I did today I updated my 5" drone.
I hope today when I fly I can see the difference.
Thanks for the video.
I think you may be in for a pleasant surprise!🤩 You're quite welcome 👍
Wow! After watching this video, and applying the settings - My 5” quad now flys so smoothly and the jitters are gone!!
I have been in FPV for a year and never understood RPM filtering until now.
Thanks Tmac for the clear instructions!
Hey David! Amazing aren't they?!🤩
@@TMacFPV Yes - I just finished implementing on the Rattler and the rest of my quads. Fantastic!
Thank you very much for clear instructions and explanations!
I really enjoy your approach, with all the flowcharts, hardcopies os instructions and so on!
This is huge amount of work, really appreciate it!
So I have not flown it yet but your step by step made it super easy. Thank you. Excellent video. Subbed and Liked
Happy you found it useful Steve-O! I won't fly without the RPM filters anymore 😁👍
Awesome! I didn't know the configuration description was the magnet count- thanks Tmac! 😄
Sure Jason! By the way, you don't need this RPM filter stuff. Your flights are plenty smooth enough friend! Have a Happy Easter!😃
@@TMacFPV Haha! You're too kind! I actually do use RPM filtering. I wasn't comfortable with going from DSHOT1200 to DSHOT600, but it works awesome! Happy Easter to you too brother!
Very well explained... Think I'll do this in the morning (UK)
Great! 👍Let me know how it works out for you! BLHeli_32 or BLHeli_S? 🤔
this is a very important step and very well documente thank for giving us the steps to up betaflight RPM filter.
Sure thing! Have fun with it H2O-Lobo!👍
Hey TMac! Thanks a lot for that helpful guide. It contains a well done tutorial in a excellent overview. It helped me a lot for finish my iFlight DC3 settings. My goal is to reduce the propwash. Also thanks to Carbon Icarus FPV.
Sure thing freakkingdom007! Happy to help👍
I have a question.
Looking at the log values, it seems that the rear 1 and 3 motor values are lower than the front motors 2 and 4.
Is this correct to see that it uses a large propeller and a high rpm motor on the back side and is generating more output than the displayed value?
Excellent video and very well presented, Thanks!
Thanks Joe! Have you tried the RPM filters yet?
@@TMacFPV Not yet. I have only few flights on my Dc3. We just had a snowstorm so no outdoor tests this week..
I was waiting to do this and now with your video and great checklist, I have all the tools.
We are very fortunate to have a natural / professional teacher who generously share his expertise / knowledge!
I look forward to your weekly presentations
Thank You!
@@joebasque2655 Thanks Joe, much appreciated! Snowstorm?! You're gonna love these RPM filters. Let me know how she flies with 'em. Stay safe and have fun!
Very clear. Thanks!
Sure thing 👍
instruction clear
Great! Thank you!
what if all ESCs are unreadable? is it possible to flash?
Hello Tmac, thank you for your wonderful videos. I am trying to flash using Bheli_S but the configurator is identifying only 3 ESCs..should be be 4 right? I am using a STABLE F411 BLheli_S 4IN1 12A ESC
4 motors are working all right. any clue? tks a lot.
Question: If I have a smaller cinewhoop similar to an umm95 or beta95x it has a 2-4s 20A FC belheli_S and 1204 5000kv motors in JESC should I flash it with 24hz or 48hz?
48khz. I flash all of my micro motors from 1507 on down with 48khz. Definitely 13xx on down. Extra flight time!
Thanks, but no com port detected, what have I missed?
Have you tried using ImpulseRC Driver Fixer? impulserc.com/pages/downloads Also, make sure all other unnecessary browser windows & apps are closed
Will test this on my 5" , maybe it will take out the jitter and propwash 🙏
Should help Hans!👍
hi wgat about dinamic filtering is on or OFF ? thanks
On.
I´m building a 2.5" 2S micro with 1103 motors at 8000kv. Would you recommend the 24 or 48 khz JESC firmware? And do you know if I need to do additional settings in Betaflight to get 48khz set up?
Hey Shattered DnB! 48kHz will do you good! Nothing else in BF to do additionally for 48kHz. You should get about 20-30% more flight time with it.
@@TMacFPV Thank you kindly my good sir! The reason I ask is I tried setting up RPM filtering according to Joshua Bardwells instruction, but it flew like absolute garbage! Now I tried using your settings (that might be better suited for micros) but it still flies like excrement, major vibrations and prop wash at every turn, especially in the yaw it seems, so I guess I´ll have to try some tuning! Would you recommend tuning the pids or the filters first?
flashed jesc per video and getting 100 percent error...what do I do? never mind- once i plugged in and moved slider it reset and stayed at zero
Sir please help for hotter motor setting for betaflight 4.2 and rpm filter. My notor is hot when using default settings. But after move both slider to far left. It improves but still warm motor around 15c-20c degrees. What is best setting to get rid of this stupid noisy signal? I almost give up on this jhemcu ghf411aio matek f411 aio 30a.
Hey HelioGenesis-HS! No worries, friend you got this! If you're using the Betaflight "defaults" for your PIDs (even though you've moved the filter sliders left), that may be your issue. This is because you've got a "micro quad" (based on the type of flight controller/ESC you've told me you have). Following the steps in this short Micro FPV Tuning Guide Playlist should help you out. ua-cam.com/play/PLKAiYAaTdvmoXyDzrPWj9-sxv4m1GNKCT.html Keep in mind, if after flight, you're able to gently press your fingers on the outside of the motor for 10-15 seconds without feeling the need to remove your fingers from it due to excessive heat, the motor temp is most likely ok.
@@TMacFPV thx i will try move slider to left. Ur videos have some incredible explanation ever in fpv tuning guides. I will watch all
Thanks! You'll get it, I'm sure👍They should help you out 👌
@@TMacFPV hi again sir. Quick question. Do u think placing receiver on top of aio flights controler will effect gyro noise? I have placed receiver on top of aio with 2 plate double tape seem with tuning cool down motor abit with angle mode testing. Whats ur opinion sir? Should i place receiver higher away from aio? Thanks again for the throughly easy to understand pid tuning guides. Subbed
Hi TMAC im using a CrazybeeF4 PRO V2 from a Mobula7 but there is`nt a tab for number of Magnets in the Betaflight Configuration. Anyone here face the same issue? im using betaflight 10.7.0 currently.
You have to have Bi-directional D Shot toggled on and ESC firmware installed that supports it (i.e. if using BlHeli_S ESCs, you'll need JESC firmware installed on your ESCs or JazzMaverick v16.73): github.com/betaflight/betaflight/wiki/Bidirectional-DSHOT-and-RPM-Filter
Tmac betaflight devs claim jazzmaverick firmware above 16.73 is not stable and non official??
What is your thoughts on this???
You are correct. I've read various threads on this topic. Developer of JazzMaverick firmware chose to implement things i the firmware which are not the same standards/protocol for use withe Betaflight. My simplistic interpretation of this is JazzMaverick firmware above 16.73 version doesn't "speak the same language" as Betaflight expects. This is the reason I mention in this video I prefer JESC. It works really well, I don't have to think about what version works and doesn't, and it only costs about $6 (a very small fee considering the amount of time and effort that went into its development for us AND it increases our flight time (on every flight) by up to 30% on "smallish" motors (11xx and down). IF you really want to use JazzMaverick, I'd highly recommend to go with the Betaflight Dev's recommendation to use only 16.73. JESC though works really well and is soooo easy to implement (shown in video).
Thanks and I agree with choosing jesc fw
Did the jesc 2.3 update with 4.2.0 and 5in flys awesome!
Thanks TMAC your advice and guidance is impeccable!
I noticed that you set your ESC protocol to DSHOT300. My question is, can I use this BetaFlight RPM filtering setup on DSHOT600 ESC's?
Yes you can, depending. . . I use 300 for best stability. Scroll down to "DShot 150, 300, or 600?" section on this site github.com/betaflight/betaflight/wiki/Bidirectional-DSHOT-and-RPM-Filter May have "loop time" limitations based on what type flight controller you have. See (scroll down to) "More Accurate Loop Times" section on this site: github.com/betaflight/betaflight/wiki/4.2-Tuning-Notes
@@TMacFPV I updated the firmware on my flight controller and esc. I switched on Bi-directional DSHOT in BetaFlight. When I look at the motors tab, I'm shown a 100% error on my motors. BetaFlight is updated, and I had my battery plugged in at this point. Do you have any insight as to why I'm getting this error on the motors and if at all possible to fix or adjust it.
What’s the difference between JazzMaverick and JESC?
Hey Joel, great to hear from you! At the 1:50 time of video I explain JESC is a "stable version" and JazzMaverick (per BF Wiki) is a Beta version. Each was developed by a different person. JESC was created by Joe Lucid who, to my knowledge, is the main person (others involved too) who actually developed bi-directional DShot (required for RPM filters) and gave to Betaflight. JazzMaverick is an attempt to do the same thing by another individual (not sure of name) but as Open source and at no charge. I do not know whether the mathematics/coding is the same for each or not.
TMac thanks for the comprehensive reply appreciate it 😊 I skipped directly to the BLHeli S part that’s why I missed it hahahahaha love the time stamp content thing. Btw keep up the good work and love your straight forward no fuss explanation. Looking forward to your coverage on betaflight 4.2
@@joevo2 You bet Joel👍Have a great weekend 😁