A serious response to the serious question about hackers acting dumb: the information they get from hacking (which are attack timings, army position, and army size) are enough for hackers to grow their MMR much faster than their understanding. So it's not they're lazy, it's just they receive so much "discount" in their grow, they don't learn how to "earn money"
It the same vein also why toxic people are often stuck in MMR hell in team games, their toxicty pulls their win rate down resulting in games where their teammates have lower skill than them.
I think he quit because he realised how much he was going to have to work for the win. Getting this guy banned is a kindness, he should be playing against the AI.
Honestly, hackerman's playstyle looked a lot like what I did back in the day when doing single-player vs AI. Build a base, turtle, get an army and then after like 2h charge - and it was fun for me. Dunno why hackerman feels the need to play PVP
"he has to quickly google whether 8, or 12 is higher... See's it's 12" **quits** HA! Bro is slaying! And yeah, that was a REALLY sad match to watch. Even with full map vision ESP... he STILL full on lost. His intel advantage should have seen him the victor of damn near EVERY engagement he took. Though... the icing on the cake for me was the QUINTUPLE BLIND SHIELD BATTERIES!! Prompting me to say; "Either he's really smart, INCREDIBLY stupid, or is genuinely the SCAREDEST SC2 player on the face of the earth. Like... a blind battery.. Ok, yeah... makes sense. Presumably your third, and natural will come under _some form of assault_ or another, as the match progresses. And even 2 batteries... I mean... a bit much, but fine.. It's good to be prepared, I suppose. Resources that almost *certainly* would have been better spent on army supply... but it is what it is I guess... but it was when he already had 2 blind batteries in his natural, 2 blind batteries in his 3rd.. and started ANOTHER blind battery in his third that I'm thinking... he's either; 1. brilliant and knows something that we don't (As it would seem.. he DID know something we didn't, but it wasn't skill, it was cheats.) 2. an absolute brick who has *no idea* how to play on that level... or 3. he's quite literally the most terrified SC2 player to EVER play the game... Turns out he was both options 2, AND 3! He was a brick who is so terrified in SC2, that he feels like he was to cheat in order to succeed in any way. And in the end, EVEN THAT wasn't enough to save him!! GG Harstem, great video of catching hackers, bro!
Back in high school, one of my teachers told us “You gotta be smart to cheat, and none of you are smart enough to cheat.” He was absolutely right. In StarCraft, if you aren’t smart enough to use the information maphacks give you, why use them? Master your own build order if you’re gonna stick to it anyway. You’ll win more games. Unless you’re me, in which case, you’re gonna die to cheese in the first five minutes either way, and it ain’t worth the potential ban to try and struggle out of bronze league with cheats. XP
Feels weird to call these people hackers. They use hacks that somebody else built, no? They aren't hacking anything. Cheater would generally be the better term, I think.
I don't really even like Starcraft. I'm just here for Kevin's analogies. Hackermans 100% has been going HGH for years and no one has even noticed. No one even asks if he lifts.
@@Cheshire9k If you watch other gaming content, the algorithm will suggest various things. One day you get curious and watch a video, and find out you like the creator so you stick around, never having played or watched starcraft before.
Take a look at the hacking/cheating forums. There are closed forums, but even on the open public ones, you can see many, many people paying good money (even subscribing monthly) to get access to Map Hacks. They do soooo much more than vision. It's quite ridiculous.
5:53 This might be a selection bias thing. The people who cheat and are actually thinking it through are probably a) less likely to end up actually cheating(at least in StarCraft, where the reward is so low) or b) way less likely to actually be caught
Harstem do you keep track of the league and race of the confirmed hackers? Would be nice to see some stats after a while, just like with the gg counter.
Harstem my captain, please please please expose some hackers in the lower leagues! That's where the vast majority of them are. Judging by my replays about 1 in 5 games show peeking through fog of war, mirror army movements, "blind" counters after peeking, and zero scouting. It's a cancer in sc2. Not to mention it's a gold mine of content for you
I get it that as a high tier player people take offense to maphacking, it would piss me off at a low level too. That being said not knowing how to respond to every situation has nothing at all to do with intelligence lol. Not sure why the average sc2 player is so arrogant thinking theyre so intelligent. 90% of trolling relates to intelligence, but knowing how to respond to a situation would be knowledge more than intelligence. Toxic people are toxic imho
Its more than intelligence its actual unquantifiable magical talent that u cant get from training all day. Intelligence is only what unlocks the potential
macro so bad that they're constantly down so far in supply, and never harasses (can only All Army judging from their grouping all the time), which would take advantage of being able to always catch the opponent off position. and yet so much scrolling camera movement and clicking my head hurts watching. where is all that APM going. geez
The issue is that at this level we have people that do one thing quite decently without the need to scout and adapt. So as an example: Mr. Braindead is playing airtoss every game without really adapting to his opponent. But he uses hacks to sniff out and defend most of the all-ins. That by itself increases his chances by like 20%. Then when he meets an opponent with a similar one trick style he wins some of the macro games by pure lucky coin toss. Only the games where the opponent does any thinking are the games he's going to lose. In his feeble little mind it may actually seem like he's doing pretty good, cause I believe that he actually a pretty good win rate, before he hits his ceiling (the ELO where players are starting to think). And sometimes by a pure miracle he might even briefly break thorough this ceiling giving him the false impression that he's improving. Yes I may be basing this on nothing, but I believe that even as brainead as he is, he'd be capable of building a bunch of batteries when spotting an all in. And my second assumption that hacker or not, a lot of players will just play their own and not adapt to the opponent. So yeah.. he definitely thinks he's a big boy 😊
Obviously, the m.m.r. system gives everyone a roughly 50% winrate so hackers lose 50% of the time as well. They're simply matched against players they'd lose 80% of the time to without hacks
Thats not CSGO where an Aimbot and Wallhack males a real different. Maybe he thought that, with the help of cheats he automatically wins every game. Without really knowing the game. 🤷
@@mothrahlurker788 I judge the hacker play level and I've seen guys like him at around 3500. If his opponent (who we almost never witness throughout the video, so judging his level directly is quite difficult) is 4300, it's surprising how long and unconvincing was his victory
I don’t condone hacking in the slightest, but I feel like it is kind of interesting to think that mmr does not take hacking into account, so technically unless a hacker is on a new account they are technically “fair” competition based on ladder rank.
You often complain about hackers not utilizing the info they get but i feel like you are forgetting an important part.. These idiots might be master tier by their elo but they got there by cheating. You expect them to have the knowledge of a master player and know the correct responses, but they are actually bronze players with bronze knowledge and an unfair adventage.
This looks like diamond player. That's why he can't really do anything even with hacks. And the reason he uses hacks - he really want to make master league. Although I am a dia player, and I can do better than this guy.
The thing you aren’t considering about hackers is that the good ones all get banned or are so careful they’re never caught. The only ones left are new to it or play so badly they’re hard to spot. StarCraft should have an IQ/reflex test that allows certain players to have map hacks legally. This would allow many slug brained individuals to compete and have fun and be more inclusive :)
Please dont use ai generated thumbnails. Even if it is meta commentary on the hackers playinng, it is still bad to use. We want to play human opponents and human cheesy thumbnails.
shouldn't it be the highest priority for a game developer to fix any weakness to hacking software? The maphack is around for like a decade, it's jsut sad
>Harstem is seriously asking why hackers are so stupid while he criticizes people on comparable flaws in his imba series. Not everyone is a high grandmaster. Every platinum league player is going to look dumb to you.
The screen isnt bright.@arnoldmayer1158 it is less colourful then when they leave or I notice they are losing it goes brighter. It isn't power. The dullness I'd say is about 15% darker than normal.
The fact that hamster has to "send this to his contact at blizzard" in order for anyone to get banned speaks volumes of how little attention blizzard is playing. The report function doesn't do anything anymore, no one is paying attention to SC2, and especially now that it's f2p, it's overrun with hackers.
@@cobble3231 Depends what you consider lately, in my book once someone/ some clan is associated with hacking and other offenses they need to rehabilitate themselves.
Thanks for taking a look at my replay Captain. Keep up the good work!
What MMR was this played at? really want to know
@@Korensun around 4300
@@JoeMufferaw thanks buddy, did you encounter many hackers in the way to 4300? I really need to check my replays more often 🫣
@@Korensun honestly I never usually think about it, but like he said in the video I only checked because of the random quit
@@JoeMufferaw Ye thats fair, I never do too, that is why I asked, wp buddy and thanks for making the ladder a better environment
Hackerman should pay you for the free coaching lesson that is this video.
Free coaching strat is IODIS
A serious response to the serious question about hackers acting dumb: the information they get from hacking (which are attack timings, army position, and army size) are enough for hackers to grow their MMR much faster than their understanding. So it's not they're lazy, it's just they receive so much "discount" in their grow, they don't learn how to "earn money"
It the same vein also why toxic people are often stuck in MMR hell in team games, their toxicty pulls their win rate down resulting in games where their teammates have lower skill than them.
I think he quit because he realised how much he was going to have to work for the win.
Getting this guy banned is a kindness, he should be playing against the AI.
He'll just make a new account.
@@OldSpaghettifactory89 ye, but it takes time to get to 4300
Honestly, hackerman's playstyle looked a lot like what I did back in the day when doing single-player vs AI. Build a base, turtle, get an army and then after like 2h charge - and it was fun for me. Dunno why hackerman feels the need to play PVP
@@OldSpaghettifactory89But he needs 10 "first win of the day" wins so he's loosing 10 days and time and he'll get low rank
My fav thing to do is a get one of those puzzle books with all of the puzzles already filled out and then I frame it on the wall. Anyway, good video!
Watching this replay just confirms that even with hacks I'd suck.
this video reminds me a lot of old 'is it imba or do i suck' where harstem relentlessly roasts the player
Shout out to Joe for the solid plays
"he has to quickly google whether 8, or 12 is higher... See's it's 12"
**quits**
HA! Bro is slaying!
And yeah, that was a REALLY sad match to watch. Even with full map vision ESP... he STILL full on lost. His intel advantage should have seen him the victor of damn near EVERY engagement he took. Though... the icing on the cake for me was the QUINTUPLE BLIND SHIELD BATTERIES!! Prompting me to say; "Either he's really smart, INCREDIBLY stupid, or is genuinely the SCAREDEST SC2 player on the face of the earth.
Like... a blind battery.. Ok, yeah... makes sense. Presumably your third, and natural will come under _some form of assault_ or another, as the match progresses. And even 2 batteries... I mean... a bit much, but fine.. It's good to be prepared, I suppose. Resources that almost *certainly* would have been better spent on army supply... but it is what it is I guess... but it was when he already had 2 blind batteries in his natural, 2 blind batteries in his 3rd.. and started ANOTHER blind battery in his third that I'm thinking... he's either;
1. brilliant and knows something that we don't (As it would seem.. he DID know something we didn't, but it wasn't skill, it was cheats.)
2. an absolute brick who has *no idea* how to play on that level... or
3. he's quite literally the most terrified SC2 player to EVER play the game...
Turns out he was both options 2, AND 3! He was a brick who is so terrified in SC2, that he feels like he was to cheat in order to succeed in any way. And in the end, EVEN THAT wasn't enough to save him!!
GG Harstem, great video of catching hackers, bro!
harstem's commentary almost makes you feel bad for the hacker lol
Back in high school, one of my teachers told us “You gotta be smart to cheat, and none of you are smart enough to cheat.” He was absolutely right.
In StarCraft, if you aren’t smart enough to use the information maphacks give you, why use them? Master your own build order if you’re gonna stick to it anyway. You’ll win more games.
Unless you’re me, in which case, you’re gonna die to cheese in the first five minutes either way, and it ain’t worth the potential ban to try and struggle out of bronze league with cheats. XP
Feels weird to call these people hackers. They use hacks that somebody else built, no? They aren't hacking anything. Cheater would generally be the better term, I think.
In my experience stalker-voidray tends to happen at 3k and below. It falls off *really* fast and is not seen in 3.2k except once in a blue moon.
im 3600 toss and I still die to mass voids lol :
I don't really even like Starcraft. I'm just here for Kevin's analogies. Hackermans 100% has been going HGH for years and no one has even noticed. No one even asks if he lifts.
Aha sure, you dont like SC2 yet youre on an SC2 only channel, you just found it by tags as "Kevin" and "analogy".
u wont grow much with hgh only, u need at least testo too and if u rly wanna go for it insulin
@@Cheshire9k If you watch other gaming content, the algorithm will suggest various things. One day you get curious and watch a video, and find out you like the creator so you stick around, never having played or watched starcraft before.
19:33 below moron, below maroon, at a mythical Fuchsia level somehow I had a great time watching this video
This makes me think there are quite a few hackers on the ladder
Take a look at the hacking/cheating forums. There are closed forums, but even on the open public ones, you can see many, many people paying good money (even subscribing monthly) to get access to Map Hacks. They do soooo much more than vision. It's quite ridiculous.
@@jaya3582I once thought a guy was hacking cuz his units were moving individually then realized I was playing ai
Once I was blamed as a maphacker - blindly deffing pool first.
But it was a tournament and I had reviewed his latest games - 3-5 mins each.
The Captain said he loved me. 😢 Even my mother never said that.
I bet if you gave Serral maphack, it wouldn't even change a thing.
it woud make him play worse in the long run.
It would probably throw him off his routine tbh.
« Buying a second hand puzzlebook and framing it on the wall » bro i swear u coulda been my brother roflmao
Challenge for you captain. Cheesing with a Bunker rush and with using a supply drop to reinforce the bunker
wait, wait, wait. . . taking hackermans off the ladder does none of us any favors. . . that's free and easy wins! leave him be!
Top tier analogies and some StarCraft
Real pro gamer move: play so bad no one suspects you're cheeting
I appreciate that Hackerman managed to be caught off-guard at 15:45 despite having full map vision.
Change the name of the video to "Harstem roast StarCraft 2 hacker for 20 minutes"
5:53
This might be a selection bias thing. The people who cheat and are actually thinking it through are probably a) less likely to end up actually cheating(at least in StarCraft, where the reward is so low) or b) way less likely to actually be caught
Do you accept teams ladder games too ???
I mean send it. I'd be very interested in the captains analysis of a different style hacker
Harstem do you keep track of the league and race of the confirmed hackers? Would be nice to see some stats after a while, just like with the gg counter.
Harstem my captain, please please please expose some hackers in the lower leagues! That's where the vast majority of them are. Judging by my replays about 1 in 5 games show peeking through fog of war, mirror army movements, "blind" counters after peeking, and zero scouting. It's a cancer in sc2.
Not to mention it's a gold mine of content for you
Blizzard should send him a link to this video in the ban note 😂
Ahhh my 2nd favorite series
Love your content Harstem!
I get it that as a high tier player people take offense to maphacking, it would piss me off at a low level too. That being said not knowing how to respond to every situation has nothing at all to do with intelligence lol. Not sure why the average sc2 player is so arrogant thinking theyre so intelligent. 90% of trolling relates to intelligence, but knowing how to respond to a situation would be knowledge more than intelligence. Toxic people are toxic imho
Its more than intelligence its actual unquantifiable magical talent that u cant get from training all day. Intelligence is only what unlocks the potential
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n I feel like you should google the definition of intelligence... it may help improve your knowledge... words bro, words
macro so bad that they're constantly down so far in supply, and never harasses (can only All Army judging from their grouping all the time), which would take advantage of being able to always catch the opponent off position. and yet so much scrolling camera movement and clicking my head hurts watching. where is all that APM going. geez
Noticed the ugly AI thumbnail immmediately, I much prefer your original ones. Don’t know if you care at all but just a thought of mine
then ending got me
I'm guessing this guy has only been playing StarCraft for a few days / weeks, thats why you can se him literally learning in-game
The issue is that at this level we have people that do one thing quite decently without the need to scout and adapt.
So as an example: Mr. Braindead is playing airtoss every game without really adapting to his opponent. But he uses hacks to sniff out and defend most of the all-ins. That by itself increases his chances by like 20%. Then when he meets an opponent with a similar one trick style he wins some of the macro games by pure lucky coin toss. Only the games where the opponent does any thinking are the games he's going to lose.
In his feeble little mind it may actually seem like he's doing pretty good, cause I believe that he actually a pretty good win rate, before he hits his ceiling (the ELO where players are starting to think). And sometimes by a pure miracle he might even briefly break thorough this ceiling giving him the false impression that he's improving.
Yes I may be basing this on nothing, but I believe that even as brainead as he is, he'd be capable of building a bunch of batteries when spotting an all in. And my second assumption that hacker or not, a lot of players will just play their own and not adapt to the opponent.
So yeah.. he definitely thinks he's a big boy 😊
I love Hacker Hunter!
Ik hou van de metaforen die je steeds gebruikt😂
hopefully blizzard will take appropriate mmr taxes from that guy.
Holy crap, imagine hacking AND LOSING
Obviously, the m.m.r. system gives everyone a roughly 50% winrate so hackers lose 50% of the time as well. They're simply matched against players they'd lose 80% of the time to without hacks
Serious question for Harstem: Did you buy a colouring book from Irene and then frame it up? Your analogy is oddly specific.
do actually something happens to maphackers after videos like this one?
Why he stayed in the game is because at his true MMR players still throw that big of a lead.
would you be able to cover my friends game that he submitted? the hackers name is ICE
Yo, who did the thumbnail work for this vid?
@@ThunderChanter AI, look at his missing left thumb...
wow this hacker was impressively terrible
Maybe this is a failed attempt at "hacking without being caught"?
Like you never seen noobs before? And never been noob yourself xD
Thats not CSGO where an Aimbot and Wallhack males a real different. Maybe he thought that, with the help of cheats he automatically wins every game. Without really knowing the game. 🤷
naa the rel nuub move its zealots with mass air
not the AI thumbnail :(
I would prefer paint-drawing with Hamster's left ear over AI thumbnail.
@@copter2000 amen
You have a strange voice today :')
Do you know why you see only dumb hackers? Because smart hackers can hide they hack
no such thing as a smart hacker since no brained human would ever cheat in a leisure activity
Stream is over
but youre streaming
pro players have such high reaction/processing times they can do youtube management with ease while streaming.
@@bezceljudzelzceljsh5799 no its actually just high apm
That's around 3500 mmr
I thought so too, the player who submitted the replay has responded here saying this was 4300, so fair play to him
@@Korensun I'd like to get such 4300 guy on the ladder, would be a nice donation
@@blaurvedrur If you look at the non-hacker and think that a 3500 would beat them idk what to tell you.
@@mothrahlurker788 I judge the hacker play level and I've seen guys like him at around 3500. If his opponent (who we almost never witness throughout the video, so judging his level directly is quite difficult) is 4300, it's surprising how long and unconvincing was his victory
I don’t condone hacking in the slightest, but I feel like it is kind of interesting to think that mmr does not take hacking into account, so technically unless a hacker is on a new account they are technically “fair” competition based on ladder rank.
You often complain about hackers not utilizing the info they get but i feel like you are forgetting an important part.. These idiots might be master tier by their elo but they got there by cheating. You expect them to have the knowledge of a master player and know the correct responses, but they are actually bronze players with bronze knowledge and an unfair adventage.
This looks like diamond player. That's why he can't really do anything even with hacks. And the reason he uses hacks - he really want to make master league.
Although I am a dia player, and I can do better than this guy.
We live in sad times for sc2 where you have to know a guy blizzard to get a hacker banned :(
Wow harstem using ai generated thumbnails
The thing you aren’t considering about hackers is that the good ones all get banned or are so careful they’re never caught. The only ones left are new to it or play so badly they’re hard to spot.
StarCraft should have an IQ/reflex test that allows certain players to have map hacks legally. This would allow many slug brained individuals to compete and have fun and be more inclusive :)
They arnt hackers, just installer cheaters.
Please dont use ai generated thumbnails. Even if it is meta commentary on the hackers playinng, it is still bad to use.
We want to play human opponents and human cheesy thumbnails.
shouldn't it be the highest priority for a game developer to fix any weakness to hacking software? The maphack is around for like a decade, it's jsut sad
>Harstem is seriously asking why hackers are so stupid while he criticizes people on comparable flaws in his imba series.
Not everyone is a high grandmaster. Every platinum league player is going to look dumb to you.
Out of interest, does anyone else notice screen dulling? I noticed it when hackers are playing. Like they are observing the screen or something.
What do you mean by dulling?
The screen isnt bright.@arnoldmayer1158 it is less colourful then when they leave or I notice they are losing it goes brighter. It isn't power. The dullness I'd say is about 15% darker than normal.
The fact that hamster has to "send this to his contact at blizzard" in order for anyone to get banned speaks volumes of how little attention blizzard is playing. The report function doesn't do anything anymore, no one is paying attention to SC2, and especially now that it's f2p, it's overrun with hackers.
I only play to get better. Even if the dude has hacks playing the game for him its still god practice
Funny how LTK players would accuse others of hacking while hacking themselves, both players in this game should be banned.
Lol how was I hacking exactly?
LTK players are a lot of things but I haven't heard of any of them hacking lately
@@JoeMufferawon an unrelated note, how did u killed czech prime? pvp is his best match (while pvp is ur worst) that was like a 700 mmr difference wow
@@ahuzel I play good and take maps of GMs often enough. I find PVP hard because of all the random cheese/late game
@@cobble3231 Depends what you consider lately, in my book once someone/ some clan is associated with hacking and other offenses they need to rehabilitate themselves.
Ai thumbnail
3:52 LMAOOOO
No one has ever hacked in sc2 like i said. Its not even possible.