Mind blowing Argument by the Advocate and highly rational observations and speaking order by the Honorable Justice. Really, this platform is highly useful for learning laws and we all must know laws because ignorance of law is not an excuse. Here this bail application was rejected only on the legal ground that a minor's consent is not legally binding and acceptable and therefore despite such a nice and convincing argument, the bail application was rejected.
It does not matter how smoothly and fluently the arguments were posed. It breaks down on the simple and stark fact that the victim was a minor, therefore not in a position to extend consent. The advocate's argument that the parents were not witnesses is weak and unconvincing, as it has nothing to do with the act or with the consent to that act by the victim. Good pleading wasted on a bad case. The continued and extended argument that the relatives and the parents were aware of the situation, and therefore in some way complicit, is preposterous. If that argument is to be heeded, there is no need for laws at all; merely social judgement can decide the matter.
@@indrajitgupta3280 I wonder why the family of the victim cannot be punished. I agree that the victim being a minor makes any consent on her part invalid and that the defendant's punishment was fitting. But why is the family, which supported the relation of a minor, not implicated? Can you explain that? PS: I am not being argumentative. I want to know the judiciary's stance on that.
Arguments in the Hon'ble High Court are never fancy. Every argument has a grounding based on law. Circumstances matter when an offence takes place and nothing happens in a vacuum. It is these surrounding circumstances that need to be brought about to the attention of the Hon'ble court.
The argument is that it was not a rape, they had an affair (which is true), and had sex (also true), and it was considered rape post facto when the boy refused to marry her. Her argument is that it was considered rape only because of a presumption of a false promise of marriage, and she says the promise was not false, but he later changed his mind. In any other civilized country, this would not be considered rape.
@@paritoshrjnin most countries if the boy and girl are of the same age it is not statuary rape , but in india if boy is 13 and girl is one day due her 18th birthday , the Girl would be consider victim and the real victim would be considered as the perpetrator.
@@Randomname254first of all it is totally wrong to say that in most countries if the age of boy and girl engaged is the same then it is not a statutory rape. It is a misleading statement. Secondly, it is not scientifically impossible for a 13 year old minor boy to commit rape. We have sufficient precedents to show that such cases have presented themselves in front of our courts.
@@larevote6496 Why is it misleading? Stop spreading your ignorance 🤥. In most civilised countries, rape laws are gender-neutral,and women have been convicted of statutory rape; mostly female teachers abuse their male students But in India, only girls can be victims satutory rape . Secondly, if both are underage, then the girl or boy is not charged with satutory rape as they are of the same age. But in India, a boy child is usually considered an abuser and a girl child a victim. Only truly insane people would draft such laws.
@@larevote6496 You're so ignorant that you just throw the word science around without knowing what it means. I'm talking about satutory rape (when two people have consensual sex, but it still counts as rape because one of the victims is a child). In a civilised country, if a 17-year-old girl has sex with an 11-year-old boy, the boy would be considered a victim of statutory rape. But in a cruel country like this, just because the girl is under 18, she would be considered a victim, and a boy would be considered a perpetrator.
Huge respect for judges. The last comment is commendable - "misplaced sympathy". No matter how intriguing arguments from the defense counselor were there, but as per law, everything goes away.
It has nothing to do with sympathy. It's rather cruelty to put him in jail for 4 years, just because he had coitus with a girl his own age, while both were minors and many years later she felt it was somehow rape! Why make such bogus laws? Just make a simple straight forward law, Indian constitution Article number 1 "Don't have sex".
@@riscnxIndian Don't teach their kids about sex education, bad touch, good touch or anything like that. See if you just wanna defend the guy nd don't wanna think about the girl at all, then I don't think you'll understand this. But I'll talk about my experiences. Do you know that in present times teenagers especially boys are more drawn towards sex? Nd I won't talk about anyone else but the people I know myself. I've seen many boys luring girls and asking to either prove their love by making sexual relationships with the guy or by making false marriage promises to the girl. Most of the times, girls keep quiet. They don't talk about it cze they think it'll make them characterless in the eyes of the society. In my 4 male friend circles, I've seen 70% of the guys continuously objectify women, pass comments nd discuss about what they do with them if they get a chance. It's a harsh truth. I prefer to stay alone because of this thing only. Boys do make false promises to gain sexual favours sir. You must haven't done that but guys actually do that. For teenage boys, relationship is just a way to make sexual relationships. Whereas girl of the same age are more matured by that age nd they don't think much about getting sexual favours. Yes, some individuals may do it but on an overall basis, wmoen form relationships to marry. Whereas guys are more ambitious nd they do form relationships to marry but at the same time, the have this excellent manipulation technique to manipulate girls into having sex with them. I think you as well mist be knowing it irrespective of what your reply would be. Cze it's not possible for guys to not know about other guys. The good men never make promises if they have even the slightest doubt that they won't be able to fulfill it. They're always honest about what they want nd that's why few couples have lovely relationship and married life while others suffer. It all depends on the guy whether to make a promise nd fulfil it or to break it later. I could've defended the guy. Infact I had so much to say in favour of the guy if we talk about arguing. But deep down I know the truth nd every single guy whether good or bad, knows that most of us are unfortunately bad. We must always keep our good side up. That would be better for us and the society as well. Girls cheat too, they as well do terrible things. I'm not denying it. But the number is still very less as compared to guys. How many cases you've heard about women raping or manipulating men into sex? Probaly 10,12? Nd how many cases you've heard of men doing the same? There are lakhs of cases still pending in the court. So let's not promote this bad behaviour of boys towards girls. Please.
@@riscnx being a guy. We know how guys manipulate girls into having sex. My own friends were such nd I've seen most guys who go Asking girls out do the exactly same thing. My support is for every single guy who's actually a gem. But I can't ignore the reality of most of our young generation men.
If the rape victim is married and has family later on. That should not be an argument for relieving rape accuse in any way. It’s a false argument by lawyer.
simply a case of consentual sex with a minor girl in a relationship, which fails later But law states that minor girl's consent doesnt mttr. #outdated andha kanoon.
It is not that simple Tiwari ji This is not relieving a rape accused. It is a case of false/breach of promise only. You need to hear the detail of the argument from a lawyer before being judgmental. The judge is clearly trying to hide behind the weakness of the law and the weakness of the defense. Sanjay Agnihotri (Litterateur)
@@therandomprogrammer041 if thr boy is 11 and the girl is 17 both have consensual sex .the 11 year boy will charged for rape . That's how evil ipc when it comes to rape and DV. Boys can never be victms , girls are allways victms even if they're the abuser
@@vikashkumar-ll7qw aap mujhe pay kr de... Esi law bina padhe exam clear hai mera llb... I know what law saying.... I am saying it is not equality.. Balanced
Nice way of arguments by the defence lawyer..flawless and specific with humbleness and courtesy.... but She was trying to be smart bu quoting from old books but the judge was even smarter....much respect for the judge😊
Well currently I'm pursuing my B.A.LLB (2nd year) and after watching this trial this question really intrigue me that Do advocates really need to say 'MAY LORD' in every line :)
And how many times the honourable Supreme Court said that the strict laws of the lawbooks should be honoured with jurisprudence. The judges should have looked into the other aspect of the incident.
In india if 16 year old boy has consensual sex with girl his age he can be convicted of statury rape . But if a 35 year old woman does thr same with 13 year old boy it is toaly legal
The boy was also minor when this happened..... it's just that nkt punishing a biy badly is something that indian society is unable to comprehend. We see it right from young age where young boys are beaten like animals at schools and home and everyone considers ot totally fine . Court judges come from same society and have same mindset of punishing boys and excusing girls as much as as possible.
Even the accused was a minor, so how come she became the devil's advocate? And if a minor girl willing to have sex can't give consent then isn't it the guardians duty to not to let her get involved in any such thing - Sara bojh ladke pe kyu?? and in this even the guardians were aware that something is happening between them.
@@AbhishekSingh-dk3ks so you want to say that if a minor girl gives a consent then an adult man has the right to have sex? and it is girls guardians duty to stop the girl. Very great mentality.. Why a boys guardian can beat boys ass to teach that there is a POSCO act which prevents to have sex between a minor girl and Adult man. If you believe that having sex between minor girl and Adult man is ok due to what's ever reason then this is main reason to have strict law to protect girl child. Monsters are roming every where and it is very easy to say that it was girls consent. Minor girl can not prove it and monster is free. A minors consent has no meaning wether boy or girl that's it.
First Both were of same age. Secondly guardian of the girl knew about their relationship. I This establishes the fact that whatever happened many times was done with consent. If still this is considered as rape. Than govt and judiciary should make it clear that sex before 18 is rape irrespective whether it was done with consent or not. Awareness campaign in schools colleges must be done. Because most people know rape as sex without consent. Most importantly how can someone be sent to jail for 7 yrs or more just on the basis of victim statement. This will lead to extortion and men committing suicide.
Your thoughts would have a devine change if she was your sister or daughter. If the lawer could not convince the court with all so called scripted evidence then kindly go to the court room and explain what ever you think on this matter. Just FYI there nothing called consent of a minor. Kindly educate your self with posco act and pray to god the none of your family members get in to it. No matter boy or girl.
@@raghavpurohit5004 I guess you missed the last seconds of debate @19:43 Judge said Aap ek saal ke baad aa jaiye... Then lawyer said ji huzoor Likhwa diya jaye that means judges agreed to her 😊
Young boy है तो किसिपर भी चढेगा क्या? जैल मै हैं तो ओर भी ज्यादा गुस्सेल होगा क्या? वकील सहिबा ऐसे बोल रही हैं जैसे की कोई युद्ध लडकर आया है ओर parents का नाम रोशन किया हैं
This strict letters of law is bull shit specially in case of women defence. Just think of the logic the guy is in custody that 1. he had been relationship with girl with the assurance of marrying. Now this means that girl also gave the consent that she would be marrying that's why she went ahead with physical relationship. Now she is married to someone else having kids can boy go and say breach of trust. 2. The other argument is girl was minor and didn't had the age limit of giving consent for physical relationship but willingness was there. Who is incharge of the girl to check whether she is willing going in good or bad relationship specially she is minor. Should the guardian be also prosecuted and charged why only the boy have all burden. The girl is going in relationship willing to have physical relationship but the only guilty party is the boy. One side the women can have adultery and not a crime even if being in marriage. This law we have made. On other side we are saying that if girl is in relationship and it sour she can go ahead and file complaint that relationship was with a assurance of marrying and now it's a breach of trust since the relationship has gone ba. Completely crap age old laws which should be amended.
The girl had an affair with the boy. But on refusal to marry her , she files rape case .As she is a minor at that time law says she can't give consent. Now the girl's married have children living happily. But the boy is still suffering in custody from 4 years.
Bro, girl age is 16 ... she was mature enough . In other country , its not rape at all.... She is right in her argument ... Boys just get trapped in this law ... 15 years imprisonment sound unimaginable ... 5 years is enough for this, since it is violent crime .. try to understand bro... She was totally correct in her argument...
As per IPC & Many Judgements of SC & HC,physical relations with a minor girl is illegal and amounts to rape. Even Consent of Minor Girl is irrelevant. But this rule is not applicable in case of Husband & wife if their marriage is valid as per law
@@aartishah7988 Generally a major person is that who attains 18 years of age but as per Muslim personal laws & Exception 2 of Sec.375 of IPC physical relationship with wife who not below 15 years age is not rape. So, If Age of Girl is Above 15 years or 15 years & Her Marriage is valid as per law then physical relationship with her not amounts to rape.
i may be confused on how the law of the land works for every crime there is a situation behind it which builds up the motive of crime either it can be act of passion..if 2 people r going into relationship with consent even they r minor n which is crime in eyes of court than why it's the boy getting that sentence ? If 2 r indulged n if it's a crime than both should be sentenced for the crime ? Law have to be kind in this kind of cases where this relationship come in forms Bec of consent how can a consent relationship been treated as forced ones ? For me it's confusing
so before relationship , he shud have not only taken consent but verified the birth certificate of the girl? what if she produced a fake certificate or shes not having that? If a community girl can marry at 15 ,how other community girls are biologically different? what laws we have?
What is, superb arguement ? When it's only to mislead the Court of law. The arguement should be Relevant to matter. Well she's reading from the old book, before amendment. Well for taking the concent of girl, she should be Major at the age of 18 years.
I humbly want to give an opinion which you may consider that please try to mention the names of the honourable high court judges with the names of the counsel appearing for the respective parties!
If it was a minor and they were in relationship then is it just to say that girl is taking revenge even after well understanding the consequences? And judges could have been bit more mercy looking at the young boy who had the concent of girl and the guy never knew that it could be termed as a rape later
Just because the girl is married now, doesn't give right to the guy to misuse her sexuality while she was unmarried. If you are not sure, do not commit. Period.
Just a statement of the girl puts the boy behind bar is not fair, if the girl was minor then how the statement of minor can be considered? Biased laws are not good. Strict punishment should be avoided unless there are medical evidences.
What is problem in giving bail? What happened to innocent unless proven guilty? Bail is the right of every innocent if person does not poses any further danger or influence.
The first question was. Are you related? Which speaks how serious the honorable court looks into such rape cases. The defense were benefit of doubt in victims age, parents knew the relatiinship bec he was neighbour, convicted is young, victim is happily married with children saying other wise she is spoiled now. If her statement is allowed there will be great illegality against women in society. Many criminals will hide under this verdict And go scot free. The honorable Judge differentiated between law of land and culture. Before british came our culture was exploited by brahmins by following varna and manu which did not allow a lower caste to seek justice on equality and women considered as sex satisfying object. Hail democratic india for such wisdom. My salute to both the wise judges.
Very sad state of anti men laws. If women promises and breaks there is no prosecution. Instead of educating people on sex after marriage laws are cruel to its own citizens. what future will he have after this?
From my experience I can say it is always a boy who forces or compels or persuades girl to get involved in physical relationship therefore, there is a law which punishes boy if a fir is a minor…… now, please don’t tell me girls also compels boys to get involved in physical relationships because from my experience with more than 2 dozen girls I have never come up such scenario
Girl is lucky that she is married and happy. But usually no one accepts the victims of rapes. Ek bar daag lag na bahot bura hai, ladkiyon ki jindagi barbad ho jati hai. 15 yrs rigorous imprisonment is proper and no bail should be given, there has to be more strict laws in case of rapes.
This was consensual relationship ... Boys age was 18.... Try to understand... Girl age is about 16 years .. Its just about cheating... He deserved not a single day in jail .. in other country , its not rape...
Indian laws, define consential relationship as rape, In this case both boy and girl mutually agreed on sexual relationship. Any democratic, responsible, progressive country will not even consider this as a rape! Our laws are written just to get misused so that all make money, while rich people will get easily get away from any situation,
ये आश्चर्यजनक है कि देश के सारे न्यायाधीश सिर्फ पुलिस के लिखे कागजों पर माथा खपाते है और इससे बड़ा आश्चर्यजनक और घिनौना सत्य जो देश का बच्चा बच्चा जानता है कि पुलिस से बड़ा भ्रष्टाचारी कोई नहीं सोचो जरा ???????
यार क्या कोई हिंदी में बता सकता है कि क्या चल रहा है और मुझे यह भी लगता है कि हमारे संविधान में हिंदी की बजाए इंग्लिश अनिवार्य कर दिया है गया है। Mylord
महिला वकील अपने क्लाइंट के लिए बेल मांग रही है जो की जेल में चार साल से बंद है उस पर नाबालिक लड़की से शादी का झाशा देकर रेप का आरोप है। यौन संबंध सहमति से बने ये वकील केह रही है और अभी नाबालिक लड़की की शादी और बच्चे हो चुके हैं, और ये कोई धोका देने बाली बात नहीं है लड़का उससे शादी करने भी तैयार है। बात अटकती हैं कि लड़की नाबालिक थी सेक्स चाहे सहमति से हुआ हो और चाहे लड़के ने धोका नहीं दिया पर पोक्सो एक्ट के मुताबिक उसने रेप किया है क्योंकि लड़की की उम्र अठारह से कम है।
Mind blowing Argument by the Advocate and highly rational observations and speaking order by the Honorable Justice.
Really, this platform is highly useful for learning laws and we all must know laws because ignorance of law is not an excuse.
Here this bail application was rejected only on the legal ground that a minor's consent is not legally binding and acceptable and therefore despite such a nice and convincing argument, the bail application was rejected.
Pinning it
Bail application had been rejected as because the victim was minor at the time of occurrence. This is the main issue.
Thanks all of you dear
It does not matter how smoothly and fluently the arguments were posed. It breaks down on the simple and stark fact that the victim was a minor, therefore not in a position to extend consent.
The advocate's argument that the parents were not witnesses is weak and unconvincing, as it has nothing to do with the act or with the consent to that act by the victim. Good pleading wasted on a bad case.
The continued and extended argument that the relatives and the parents were aware of the situation, and therefore in some way complicit, is preposterous. If that argument is to be heeded, there is no need for laws at all; merely social judgement can decide the matter.
@@indrajitgupta3280 I wonder why the family of the victim cannot be punished. I agree that the victim being a minor makes any consent on her part invalid and that the defendant's punishment was fitting. But why is the family, which supported the relation of a minor, not implicated? Can you explain that? PS: I am not being argumentative. I want to know the judiciary's stance on that.
Very Inspiring arguments. Attitude of Honbl'e Judges highly Supporting and Motivating . My best regard to judiciary.
Good to see respect to the law. Honourable judges were not deviated by fancy arguments
Arguments in the Hon'ble High Court are never fancy. Every argument has a grounding based on law. Circumstances matter when an offence takes place and nothing happens in a vacuum. It is these surrounding circumstances that need to be brought about to the attention of the Hon'ble court.
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The argument is that it was not a rape, they had an affair (which is true), and had sex (also true), and it was considered rape post facto when the boy refused to marry her. Her argument is that it was considered rape only because of a presumption of a false promise of marriage, and she says the promise was not false, but he later changed his mind. In any other civilized country, this would not be considered rape.
They want equality in society . But every law sees victim in girl and accuse in men.
@@paritoshrjnin most countries if the boy and girl are of the same age it is not statuary rape , but in india if boy is 13 and girl is one day due her 18th birthday , the Girl would be consider victim and the real victim would be considered as the perpetrator.
@@Randomname254first of all it is totally wrong to say that in most countries if the age of boy and girl engaged is the same then it is not a statutory rape.
It is a misleading statement.
Secondly, it is not scientifically impossible for a 13 year old minor boy to commit rape. We have sufficient precedents to show that such cases have presented themselves in front of our courts.
@@larevote6496 Why is it misleading? Stop spreading your ignorance 🤥. In most civilised countries, rape laws are gender-neutral,and women have been convicted of statutory rape; mostly female teachers abuse their male students
But in India, only girls can be victims satutory rape .
Secondly, if both are underage, then the girl or boy is not charged with satutory rape as they are of the same age.
But in India, a boy child is usually considered an abuser and a girl child a victim. Only truly insane people would draft such laws.
@@larevote6496 You're so ignorant that you just throw the word science around without knowing what it means.
I'm talking about satutory rape (when two people have consensual sex, but it still counts as rape because one of the victims is a child).
In a civilised country, if a 17-year-old girl has sex with an 11-year-old boy, the boy would be considered a victim of statutory rape.
But in a cruel country like this, just because the girl is under 18, she would be considered a victim, and a boy would be considered a perpetrator.
Dhandha,rape economy of India isse laakho darje badhiya veshyalay jao maintenance bachaao Alimony bachaao rape case se bacho
Huge respect for judges. The last comment is commendable - "misplaced sympathy". No matter how intriguing arguments from the defense counselor were there, but as per law, everything goes away.
Absolutely True
It has nothing to do with sympathy.
It's rather cruelty to put him in jail for 4 years, just because he had coitus with a girl his own age, while both were minors and many years later she felt it was somehow rape!
Why make such bogus laws? Just make a simple straight forward law, Indian constitution Article number 1 "Don't have sex".
@@riscnxIndian Don't teach their kids about sex education, bad touch, good touch or anything like that.
See if you just wanna defend the guy nd don't wanna think about the girl at all, then I don't think you'll understand this.
But I'll talk about my experiences. Do you know that in present times teenagers especially boys are more drawn towards sex? Nd I won't talk about anyone else but the people I know myself. I've seen many boys luring girls and asking to either prove their love by making sexual relationships with the guy or by making false marriage promises to the girl. Most of the times, girls keep quiet. They don't talk about it cze they think it'll make them characterless in the eyes of the society.
In my 4 male friend circles, I've seen 70% of the guys continuously objectify women, pass comments nd discuss about what they do with them if they get a chance. It's a harsh truth. I prefer to stay alone because of this thing only.
Boys do make false promises to gain sexual favours sir. You must haven't done that but guys actually do that. For teenage boys, relationship is just a way to make sexual relationships. Whereas girl of the same age are more matured by that age nd they don't think much about getting sexual favours. Yes, some individuals may do it but on an overall basis, wmoen form relationships to marry. Whereas guys are more ambitious nd they do form relationships to marry but at the same time, the have this excellent manipulation technique to manipulate girls into having sex with them. I think you as well mist be knowing it irrespective of what your reply would be. Cze it's not possible for guys to not know about other guys.
The good men never make promises if they have even the slightest doubt that they won't be able to fulfill it. They're always honest about what they want nd that's why few couples have lovely relationship and married life while others suffer. It all depends on the guy whether to make a promise nd fulfil it or to break it later.
I could've defended the guy. Infact I had so much to say in favour of the guy if we talk about arguing. But deep down I know the truth nd every single guy whether good or bad, knows that most of us are unfortunately bad. We must always keep our good side up. That would be better for us and the society as well.
Girls cheat too, they as well do terrible things. I'm not denying it. But the number is still very less as compared to guys. How many cases you've heard about women raping or manipulating men into sex? Probaly 10,12? Nd how many cases you've heard of men doing the same? There are lakhs of cases still pending in the court.
So let's not promote this bad behaviour of boys towards girls. Please.
what happened to Italian marines case?
@@riscnx being a guy. We know how guys manipulate girls into having sex. My own friends were such nd I've seen most guys who go Asking girls out do the exactly same thing.
My support is for every single guy who's actually a gem. But I can't ignore the reality of most of our young generation men.
Hon'ble Judge Ashutosh Sir is really a knowledgeable person. He quotes really nice examples.
Well the Brave lady ... Very well argument 👍
If the rape victim is married and has family later on. That should not be an argument for relieving rape accuse in any way. It’s a false argument by lawyer.
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simply a case of consentual sex with a minor girl in a relationship, which fails later But law states that minor girl's consent doesnt mttr.
#outdated andha kanoon.
It is not that simple Tiwari ji
This is not relieving a rape accused. It is a case of false/breach of promise only. You need to hear the detail of the argument from a lawyer before being judgmental. The judge is clearly trying to hide behind the weakness of the law and the weakness of the defense.
Sanjay Agnihotri
(Litterateur)
@@userS1351yes because minors don't have the capability of providing and understanding consent..
@@therandomprogrammer041 if thr boy is 11 and the girl is 17 both have consensual sex .the 11 year boy will charged for rape . That's how evil ipc when it comes to rape and DV.
Boys can never be victms , girls are allways victms even if they're the abuser
Very nice channel for learning how court works for ordinary people like us, nahi to advocate log sirf aam admi ko bewquf banate hain
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So much knowledgeable people in the room💕
Everything vanishes when it comes to the case of minor. Great judgement.
What about if minor herself forces and persuede man
@@navneetsharma2098 it's your duty to push her away, if you won't get trapped.
@@vikashkumar-ll7qw ok what about if she poisioned faint a man like that and then did.
@@navneetsharma2098 first pay my legal fee then i will answer your all legal doubts. I am not here to clear your doubts for free of cost.
@@vikashkumar-ll7qw aap mujhe pay kr de... Esi law bina padhe exam clear hai mera llb... I know what law saying.... I am saying it is not equality.. Balanced
Nice way of arguments by the defence lawyer..flawless and specific with humbleness and courtesy.... but She was trying to be smart bu quoting from old books but the judge was even smarter....much respect for the judge😊
Excellent clarity of the judge and beautiful arguments from the lawyer.
Excellent argument by Lady Advocate
Well currently I'm pursuing my B.A.LLB (2nd year) and after watching this trial this question really intrigue me that Do advocates really need to say 'MAY LORD' in every line :)
Yes always
तू पापा कहियो
You can also say dude , bro etc..
@@star-man3900 😂
My Lord
And how many times the honourable Supreme Court said that the strict laws of the lawbooks should be honoured with jurisprudence. The judges should have looked into the other aspect of the incident.
Bhai mujhe bhi bta dijiye ki ye videos kha se milegi please 🙏🙏🙏
अभी हाल में ही अपराधी का भविष्य भी सुनने को मिला था
The most appreciable argument by defence learned lawyer.
Wow what an argument.. The advocate knows how to behave in the court and how to respect the judge....
Strict letters of law should be strictly ammended to the present platform of the society
True, Indian law is very much outdated
Lawyer is too good. ❤
Very good advocacy inteligent judge justice done'
Good Judge vs Good Advocate.
To all the adult men out there , before going into relationship with a minor girl think twice. 😅😅
both boy and girl were of same age.
It's not joke, well true matter of fact.
In india if 16 year old boy has consensual sex with girl his age he can be convicted of statury rape . But if a 35 year old woman does thr same with 13 year old boy it is toaly legal
The boy was also minor when this happened..... it's just that nkt punishing a biy badly is something that indian society is unable to comprehend. We see it right from young age where young boys are beaten like animals at schools and home and everyone considers ot totally fine .
Court judges come from same society and have same mindset of punishing boys and excusing girls as much as as possible.
And why go on a relationship with a minor in the first place? Get some adult person or make yourself happy on your own
Such a informative and one of the best argument
Irony is that this judicial system in same case a Muslim minor girl custody was given to his husband, why double standard.
Fantastic urgument by defender lawer
Nice argument in this case.
Happy married so give him bail.
She was lucky enough to find someone accepting her respectfully.
Victim was minor and that's all...
Davils advocate...
Even the accused was a minor, so how come she became the devil's advocate? And if a minor girl willing to have sex can't give consent then isn't it the guardians duty to not to let her get involved in any such thing - Sara bojh ladke pe kyu?? and in this even the guardians were aware that something is happening between them.
@@AbhishekSingh-dk3ks so you want to say that if a minor girl gives a consent then an adult man has the right to have sex? and it is girls guardians duty to stop the girl.
Very great mentality..
Why a boys guardian can beat boys ass to teach that there is a POSCO act which prevents to have sex between a minor girl and Adult man.
If you believe that having sex between minor girl and Adult man is ok due to what's ever reason then this is main reason to have strict law to protect girl child.
Monsters are roming every where and it is very easy to say that it was girls consent. Minor girl can not prove it and monster is free.
A minors consent has no meaning wether boy or girl that's it.
@@AbhishekSingh-dk3kssara both ladke par isiliye kyonki samaj ki adulation me ladki ko sazaa milni hi hai...
Hamare samaj sada hua hai
First Both were of same age. Secondly guardian of the girl knew about their relationship. I This establishes the fact that whatever happened many times was done with consent. If still this is considered as rape. Than govt and judiciary should make it clear that sex before 18 is rape irrespective whether it was done with consent or not. Awareness campaign in schools colleges must be done. Because most people know rape as sex without consent. Most importantly how can someone be sent to jail for 7 yrs or more just on the basis of victim statement. This will lead to extortion and men committing suicide.
Your thoughts would have a devine change if she was your sister or daughter.
If the lawer could not convince the court with all so called scripted evidence then kindly go to the court room and explain what ever you think on this matter.
Just FYI there nothing called consent of a minor.
Kindly educate your self with posco act and pray to god the none of your family members get in to it. No matter boy or girl.
Both the Counsel and Hon'ble Judges did their jobs exceptionally well.
Finally Judges agreed to 1 year
Kudos to your Efforts 👏👍🏻
Uff Section 376 and section 90 🙄🤫
No judges didn't agree. They left saying sorry,
@@raghavpurohit5004 I guess you missed the last seconds of debate @19:43 Judge said Aap ek saal ke baad aa jaiye... Then lawyer said ji huzoor Likhwa diya jaye that means judges agreed to her 😊
@@9705186160 then u missed again at 19:47 where the second judge said "likwaynge ge to 2 saal" before the got up from their chairs...said sorry!
Young boy है तो किसिपर भी चढेगा क्या? जैल मै हैं तो ओर भी ज्यादा गुस्सेल होगा क्या? वकील सहिबा ऐसे बोल रही हैं जैसे की कोई युद्ध लडकर आया है ओर parents का नाम रोशन किया हैं
This strict letters of law is bull shit specially in case of women defence.
Just think of the logic the guy is in custody that
1. he had been relationship with girl with the assurance of marrying. Now this means that girl also gave the consent that she would be marrying that's why she went ahead with physical relationship.
Now she is married to someone else having kids can boy go and say breach of trust.
2. The other argument is girl was minor and didn't had the age limit of giving consent for physical relationship but willingness was there. Who is incharge of the girl to check whether she is willing going in good or bad relationship specially she is minor. Should the guardian be also prosecuted and charged why only the boy have all burden.
The girl is going in relationship willing to have physical relationship but the only guilty party is the boy. One side the women can have adultery and not a crime even if being in marriage. This law we have made. On other side we are saying that if girl is in relationship and it sour she can go ahead and file complaint that relationship was with a assurance of marrying and now it's a breach of trust since the relationship has gone ba.
Completely crap age old laws which should be amended.
I'm agree with you....
clearly, power is tilted towards female side. She can easily cheat/torture a male before as well as after marriage.
True bro.. Its not rape at all .... She was good in her argument....
Best argument.exilant
Ye konsa case hai iski details kaha milegi
2:51 it's natural 😆😆😆
😂😂😂felt like bombardment in court
Did he fart? 😂😂 eww
The girl had an affair with the boy. But on refusal to marry her , she files rape case .As she is a minor at that time law says she can't give consent. Now the girl's married have children living happily. But the boy is still suffering in custody from 4 years.
Justice muat be served without Sympathy
Boy 18 and girl 16
They both wanted relationship
Girl satisfied and boy in pain😢
And taking about misplaced sympathy😑
But she was underage, so the Man should have stayed away.
This judge is always right
Kya mam personal hoke case ladte ho is the Point.
At @2:51 judge saab ne control kho diya 😀😀
Happens in argument and counter argument
Lawyer ka presentation was good
Potential lawyers must learn how to conduct oneself calmly and extract the maximum in most adverse situations!
Mi Lord mi Lord mi Lord mi Lord mi Lord mi Lord...
Justice and Law are very different 😔
Do anyone know name of female advocate?? Such a best argument by laywer
I also need
khata na bahi ladaki jo kahe wahi sahi.
😌😌 exactly
बढ़िया वकील
Jab man kare realation banao.jab man kare case thoko.
Wht superb argument.she is a senior advocate and she doesn’t even know whether her act from which she is arguing is amended or not such a shame
Bro, girl age is 16 ... she was mature enough . In other country , its not rape at all.... She is right in her argument ... Boys just get trapped in this law ... 15 years imprisonment sound unimaginable ... 5 years is enough for this, since it is violent crime .. try to understand bro... She was totally correct in her argument...
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As per IPC & Many Judgements of SC & HC,physical relations with a minor girl is illegal and amounts to rape. Even Consent of Minor Girl is irrelevant. But this rule is not applicable in case of Husband & wife if their marriage is valid as per law
Even if the wife is a minor???
@@aartishah7988 Generally a major person is that who attains 18 years of age but as per Muslim personal laws & Exception 2 of Sec.375 of IPC physical relationship with wife who not below 15 years age is not rape.
So, If Age of Girl is Above 15 years or 15 years & Her Marriage is valid as per law then physical relationship with her not amounts to rape.
Girl enjoyed and now free to continue ....these are unfair ....
Very nice
Madam Judges ko Ghumane ki koshish kar rahi thi age ke matter par old bare act se..but judges ne pakad liya
i may be confused on how the law of the land works for every crime there is a situation behind it which builds up the motive of crime either it can be act of passion..if 2 people r going into relationship with consent even they r minor n which is crime in eyes of court than why it's the boy getting that sentence ? If 2 r indulged n if it's a crime than both should be sentenced for the crime ? Law have to be kind in this kind of cases where this relationship come in forms Bec of consent how can a consent relationship been treated as forced ones ? For me it's confusing
so before relationship , he shud have not only taken consent but verified the birth certificate of the girl? what if she produced a fake certificate or shes not having that? If a community girl can marry at 15 ,how other community girls are biologically different? what laws we have?
This is what I am submitting.
What is her name?
can someone explain what happen in the end likhwaya kyu nhi science se hu help
What is, superb arguement ? When it's only to mislead the Court of law. The arguement should be Relevant to matter. Well she's reading from the old book, before amendment. Well for taking the concent of girl, she should be Major at the age of 18 years.
The boy was also a minor, same age as the girl. Also the same law does not apply to muslim minor girls.
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lawyer name
Girl is equally guilty as she was feeling heat ..
If it was a minor and they were in relationship then is it just to say that girl is taking revenge even after well understanding the consequences? And judges could have been bit more mercy looking at the young boy who had the concent of girl and the guy never knew that it could be termed as a rape later
Judge sahab agreed but he is bounded with law & further use of decisions
2013 amendment fuck up the entire argument 😅😅
High court can not impose condition that u will come after 2 years for suspension .There is judgement of s.c
Just because the girl is married now, doesn't give right to the guy to misuse her sexuality while she was unmarried. If you are not sure, do not commit. Period.
Larki jab chor ke jati h to uspe kon sa charge lagta h
Fake rape me jane se accha h ki muder ke case me jail jaye
Who is lady Advocate Name Declared any person
Just a statement of the girl puts the boy behind bar is not fair, if the girl was minor then how the statement of minor can be considered? Biased laws are not good. Strict punishment should be avoided unless there are medical evidences.
Minor girl…that’s it…no nonsense arguments
What is problem in giving bail? What happened to innocent unless proven guilty? Bail is the right of every innocent if person does not poses any further danger or influence.
He is convicted person means he has been proven guilty..
POCSO should be redefined
Chutiya sala samjh nehi ata kya criminals ko mar dalna chahiye
The first question was. Are you related? Which speaks how serious the honorable court looks into such rape cases. The defense were benefit of doubt in victims age, parents knew the relatiinship bec he was neighbour, convicted is young, victim is happily married with children saying other wise she is spoiled now. If her statement is allowed there will be great illegality against women in society. Many criminals will hide under this verdict And go scot free. The honorable Judge differentiated between law of land and culture. Before british came our culture was exploited by brahmins by following varna and manu which did not allow a lower caste to seek justice on equality and women considered as sex satisfying object. Hail democratic india for such wisdom. My salute to both the wise judges.
Jao Shri Jesus
Good lady advocate
Can't believe in Indian judiciary orsay Judiciary overall
KHAP Panchayat will do greate justice than this learned Judges
Kab se bare act nhi khola madam ne inko dekh k purane din yaad aa gye
दो साल के बाद! Not easy.
I dont know whats happening exactly but the lawyers is a very smart n brilliant lawyer
She is the best female advocate in bihar
@@Harsh-vo2pm do you know her name?
@@nitinkashyap6159 yes nivedita nirvikar
Please give the name of Senior Advocate.
Nivedita nirvikar
Typist mind voice: please tell me slowly, i need to type all the words.😂
Typist only write judgment ..not all the arguement done by the lawyer and judge..
Typist write only judgement.. not all tha agrument done by the lawyer and honble judge..
2:50 WHO NOTICED JUDGE FARTED
Very sad state of anti men laws. If women promises and breaks there is no prosecution. Instead of educating people on sex after marriage laws are cruel to its own citizens. what future will he have after this?
Cheap tricks (with or without under age of 16 ) anything
Do not innolve minors guys, the law is made for the safety of society.
From my experience I can say it is always a boy who forces or compels or persuades girl to get involved in physical relationship therefore, there is a law which punishes boy if a fir is a minor…… now, please don’t tell me girls also compels boys to get involved in physical relationships because from my experience with more than 2 dozen girls I have never come up such scenario
Not happy with judgement
Name of this lady advocate??
Nivedita nirvikar
This lady cannot take no for an answer. If it was her daughter she wouldn’t say dumb things. these corrupts lawyers need to be removed from our system
Girl is lucky that she is married and happy. But usually no one accepts the victims of rapes. Ek bar daag lag na bahot bura hai, ladkiyon ki jindagi barbad ho jati hai. 15 yrs rigorous imprisonment is proper and no bail should be given, there has to be more strict laws in case of rapes.
There should be also a law against... 'fake rape cases' which are filed after failure of relationship.
This was consensual relationship ... Boys age was 18.... Try to understand... Girl age is about 16 years .. Its just about cheating... He deserved not a single day in jail .. in other country , its not rape...
Indian laws, define consential relationship as rape, In this case both boy and girl mutually agreed on sexual relationship.
Any democratic, responsible, progressive country will not even consider this as a rape!
Our laws are written just to get misused so that all make money, while rich people will get easily get away from any situation,
@@ROHANKUMAR-hu2smright 👍
I think best aguement by lawyer.।। Experience and prayer in good way
ये आश्चर्यजनक है कि देश के सारे न्यायाधीश सिर्फ पुलिस के लिखे कागजों पर माथा खपाते है और इससे बड़ा आश्चर्यजनक और घिनौना सत्य जो देश का बच्चा बच्चा जानता है कि पुलिस से बड़ा भ्रष्टाचारी कोई नहीं सोचो जरा ???????
Milod milod milod milod milod .......... Keep repeating it and you are half lawyer.
Itna paisa kamate ho... Bare act to latest khareedna chaiye na.. 😁
Time nahe hai hujur
Are sab pata hai usko bas she was trying to defend
Someone is minor ..it doesnt mean that she is dump and cant make mistakes ... nirbhaya rapist is also a minor ..so leaving him is a good thing ?
how could she miss the minor age amendment date..?
I hate lawyers, look they try to protect criminals
The one trying to prosecute him is also an advocate..
Kitna achha lagta hoga England 🏴🇬🇧 ke log ko ki mera bhasha Indian use karte hai😂😂😂
Minor hoke bhi shok paal rakhe the ab kya kya nhi kr rhi hogi
यार क्या कोई हिंदी में बता सकता है कि क्या चल रहा है और मुझे यह भी लगता है कि हमारे संविधान में हिंदी की बजाए इंग्लिश अनिवार्य कर दिया है गया है। Mylord
महिला वकील अपने क्लाइंट के लिए बेल मांग रही है जो की जेल में चार साल से बंद है उस पर नाबालिक लड़की से शादी का झाशा देकर रेप का आरोप है। यौन संबंध सहमति से बने ये वकील केह रही है और अभी नाबालिक लड़की की शादी और बच्चे हो चुके हैं, और ये कोई धोका देने बाली बात नहीं है लड़का उससे शादी करने भी तैयार है। बात अटकती हैं कि लड़की नाबालिक थी सेक्स चाहे सहमति से हुआ हो और चाहे लड़के ने धोका नहीं दिया पर पोक्सो एक्ट के मुताबिक उसने रेप किया है क्योंकि लड़की की उम्र अठारह से कम है।
बिल्कुल हाई कोर्ट और सुप्रीम कोर्ट की भाषा अंग्रेजी है।।
@@ashah1451 toh इसका मतलब गोदी media vaise he keh rha hai ki hindutav खतरे में है।
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