I think the difference is that BTS has (uncommonly) chosen to do their military service together and prepared solo content etc ahead of time. They will definitely be 7 as soon as they are all back and I think it might change the way groups typically do their military service going forward
I'd like to point out that other groups also went in as a group and set up a plan for their fans/members prior to BTS' enlistment, and it definitely showed promise as a revolutionary way to do their service. ONF was the first group to do their service together in 2021 and all enlisted within the span of a few weeks, leaving their Japanese member to promote ONF on various shows and work on his own skills. While they didn't go as far as to try to push out music during their service, their group service allowed them to come back as a group and they quickly were able to push out a comeback that got them their first win since debut. Seeing the success of ONF in 2023 despite no music promotions and BTS next year, I'm sure more will indeed follow.
@@OfficialAwkbe yup, ONF definitely pioneers of this method! A.C.E also did it this way, their maknae had some obligations so he had to go a few weeks after everyone else but they all discharged pretty close together. It was awesome to have them back so soon.
@laurainathunderstorm after that BTOB did the same. There's a 5-year gap between the oldest and the maknae but the latter chose to enlist ahead of time so the group's hiatus time was shortened.
SHINee has prospered after military. Their group and individuals solos in the last two years have reached higher levels than before. I expect that BTS will be just as successful post military as before
Jimin solo song "Who" release when he in the military and still charting at Billboard Hot 100 in 16 weeks. I don't know Shinee popularity, but they never enter Billboard Hot 100.
It's true Jimin and other members achieved so much during military But I think what the @kit_subs meant that shinee have achieved more after military than before
The fact that this video was made on the cusp between 3rd and 4th gen and now we're already moving into 5th gen shows just how much kpop has grown since and that a whole era has not been covered by this video. I would also say that in terms of staying power after military you can't deny that suju's power to be where they are, still making comebacks, as they now celebrate their 19th anniversary. They may not be as popular as they once were but considering they were stuck in the military cycle throughout the 2010s and are still very much around and relevant both throughout and after they all finished.
Day6 are post-military, and still going just as strong as before, as beloved by the public as well. Sure they're a band, but still an idol band, and I'd say they're a good example of it happening
SHINee are definitely the poster group for coming back after their enlistment even stronger than before, even breaking new personal records! A deep dive on them someday would be fun 💎💎💎💎💎
28:55 I think with this discussion we have to keep in mind that after going to the military where you're forced to have routine and then getting out and being able to dictate your own life while the other members serve, it would be hard to go back to the crazy intense unhealthy schedule of an idol with constant comebacks, tours, promotions, reality shows, livestreams, variety shows etc. So I don't mind that groups release music a bit less often but with a better sense of their own artistry.
i think even in korea bts's copetitors are like IU or lim woong young who are not even considered kpop and about post military 2 of them are already home and the rest is all out in july 2025 their plan is so genuis and going pretty well some of them were so selfless to go early considering their global success as soloists .
In South Korea, their competitor are Lim Woong Young a trot singer. But BTS popular globally. South Korea is only 7th biggest music market in the world. 1st is US, 2nd is Japan, 3rd is UK. Except ARMY, BTS got hate by many kpop fnas and the industries in South Korea, because of jealousy. Mainstream media of South Korea also hate BTS. JTBC only get light punishment when made fake news about SUga.
EXOL reassurance of sorts but also a reality check: EXO will always be EXO and they WILL COME BACK. However... There's no way of knowing when exactly that'll be and with what lineup (at least when talking about an official comeback under sm). The lawsuits between CBX and SM are messy to say the least and there are no updates on that so we can only hope and pray they come to a beneficial agreement for all parties. Won't get into that deeper, we'll have to wait and see. (CBX is right to stand up for themselves and their rights as artists!! Period) Back to the reassurance! At this moment only one thing is certain: EXO are forever EXO as they have always promised us. Again, they will come back, we'll just have to wait for them. PS. NEVER trust anything anyone (including SM) says about them, ONLY trust what the members say. ALWAYS TRUST EXO and we will be fine
Such an interesting question about post enlistment popularity - the only one I can think that has sustained a similar level would be SHINee. There are loads of group that are still together and active (Super Junior, BTOB, 2PM, 2AM to name a few) but arguably not to the same level as when they were in their prime. It also ties in with contracts expiring around the time they enlist as well and with members operating under different labels its a bit harder to get together. On a different note would love to see you guys dive into g.o.d - probably one of the few 1st gen groups that are still actively together - they've got an amazing back catalogue!
To me its definitely SHINee...all are back n they do hv solo stuff n they still win music shows as a group n as soloist as well!!! This year alone i hd d opportunity of going to a SHINee concert a Onew solo fanmeet n Taemin solo concert...these stars are still shining despite being a 12 year old band!!!💎👍
@@anistardi Gd famous bfr all this social media..its like saying Ice Spice is bigger than Sia/Lady Gaga..famous of course..but influential?? i dont think so..thats y GD or Bigbang is known as idol of idols
Unlike what the video suggests, many kpop fans divide the line between 3rd and 4th gen at 2017. Groups like Stray Kids, Ateez, and TXT are all firmly identified as leaders of the 4th generation! (also as others mentioned, SVT and NCT are both firmly identified as 3rd gen groups) Personally, I like to use the concept of "half" generations for the years where it gets blurred. For me, groups that debuted in 2017 feel like 3.5 gen since it's kinda hazy whether they should be considered as 3rd or 4th gen. The same thing with groups that debuted in 2022 (like New Jeans), which has kind of felt like the transition year from 4th to 5th gen of kpop and have many people divided as to how these groups should be identified (2022 would be 4.5 gen to me). But again, it is all up to everyone's own perspectives and opinions as to how they view the generations and compartmentalize them in their own ways!
27:02 there's plenty! SHINee are doing amazing (although they were always very popular) and smaller groups sometimes get a boost from having a comeback in places like kcon or music bank, sometimes a member goes into a survival show while waiting for everyone to return and gains a fanbase that is willing to wait. A.C.E and ONF have gotten more popular since they came back from their service and I feel like KARD also got a boost after J.Seph rejoined activities
The K-pop history videos are always interesting, I liked this for a new take on the Throwback Thursday segment. You should consider doing more in the future please. As for the GOT7 confusion... GOT7 consists of 3 foreigners and 4 Koreans, 2 of which have recently completed their enlistment. The other 2 are probably enlisting next year after the GOT7 comeback. And yes, Jackson is still part of GOT7 💜💙🧡
This took me back! I remember going off Kpop in 2012 because whenever I mentioned liking Kpop, all anyone said was "Oh Gangnam Style!" and I hated that song with a passion. EXO brought me back. "Now it's "Oh BTS!"
Just to clarify, Seventeen are never considered a borderline 3rd gen/4th gen group in the way you mentioned them at the end of the video alongside Stray Kids and TXT. They're firmly a 3rd gen group as they debuted in 2015, the same year as Twice and before groups like Black Pink and NCT who are also firmly 3rd gen.
Not to be too negative but EXO is at a disadvantage now more than ever because of their own company. Even before the members started enlisting, the company itself has limited EXO promotions within asia, while other bigger groups now have even western labels. It's difficult to "compete" when even your own company restricts you. And currently, half of the members are under their own label for solo work which could affect group activities due to scheduling and what not's. So i don't think EXO is even thinking about competition now. They just want to continue performing as a group for EXOLs and honestly, that is enough for me. I don't care about charts anymore. They have been there, done that. Maybe not at the scale some groups are currently achieving but their many Firsts in the industry speak of their impact. I just hope no one forgets ☹
I've seen social media posts where people are already labeling EXO a "legacy group" - despite them being super active right now. It's weird. But they're still getting new fans. So their impact is safe, I believe. And about what you said of competition, I love how they tell us not to buy multiples of their albums and to buy nice clothes and good food instead. It just made me stan them harder..
I like what you said and can't agree more...EXO is not for competition. They were,they are and will always be for music and our Kings will keep delivering and serving us and we will keep appreciating and love them for that forever💙✨️
Definitely agree. Even Chen at their final award appearance said there's no competition in music and I completely agree. I think competition is silly especially in music as a fan. It's all there for anyone to enjoy and we can pick and choose as we want. They're all talented and all making their own paths. I really hate it feels like such a competition and popularity contest in kpop now and of a group doesn't get this many streams or this many sales then they're a "flop" despite how great the quality is. The music industry is such a fickle business. What's popular today, won't be tomorrow so what matters is the quality of music that'll be left behind 10, 20, 30 years from now. What was number one on which chart isn't going to matter to generations ahead of us. I just don't care about chart success anymore. I want a no skip album lol
EXO is on the level where numbers and such dont matter anymore. They are still the nations BG and their impact is huge like Big Bangs and both will forever remain on the top of kpop....as the Vocal Kings and Kings of K-pop. But I still think the internet will break when Big Bang and EXO have a comeback again. Just saying. All I need is them and SHINee and SM groups in general back on award shows and show how its done. Regardless of them winning anything but just to put out shows like it used to before ;) Also I doubt EXO will ever disband regardless them being forever in SM or not.
BTS is on another level and their Army fans are loyal and has even increased despite going to military because of their successful solo stuff. It's hard to go back from military and be on top because there's always a new group that takes your place in your company or in kpop in general. But in BTS, they have made efforts to make their fans loyal with continued content all mapped out until 2025. And their records and popularity have not been surpassed by any group so far. Some strayed but most stayed loyal to BTS... because some/most Army are BTS fans and not kpop fans so they tend not to leave BTS for the next new shiny group.
Actually there was NO OTHER level for them. They were promoted in US literally as a D.E.I. pick. Artistically the quality of their content started to decline EVEN before their enlistment. Now there is nothing about them to be different or even unique even within kpop industry, not to mention american one.
@@Alexandra_Indina Says the one who does not understand BTS at all. You judge them by K-pop standards instead of what is really going on. Their storyline ended in 2020 but the pandemic and politicians delayed them for years. Which is why we get the 3 English songs (and BE) before they went into pre-military solo activities to develop more as artists. You may not like the music but it is very good. There is a reason why critics call RM's album one of the best albums globally this year for example.
BtoB is close to the same Day6 is also close SHINee's Back EPIC HIGH Super Junior is still around but not all the members were part of the group before military Sometimes there are problems not related to the actual military service, often military service and the end of the 7 year contracts overlap A.C.E is back and busy ONF all did their military service together and I just saw them in concert last month and it was great bands like CNBLUE and Ft Island and of course The Rose are all busy after military service My belief is that there will be more groups that may be able to make that transition. The issue is do fans want to see older idol groups.
Seo Taiji and Boys debuted in 1992 and their debut song was "I Know" and it was a huge hit. And among the members, there is a person named Yang Hyun Suk who is now the president of YG
I don't know if you realize this but UA-cam is not populated with Documentarians. UA-cam is random people producing videos that sometimes contain facts but mostly are opinions from people with a camera and a computer. This is my sarcastic way of saying take every "Fact/History" video with a giant mountain of salt.
Except DKDKTV is not quiet random. This one is actually pretty good. Fans of different artists are all pouting because there is stuff missing but than it was supposed to be 20 minutes not 200.
About rivalries, having gone through the 2017 award ceremonies, I get those reasons why the EXO/BTS rivalry got so heated. Having had those award groups since then apologise for not treating EXO fairly kinda vindicates a lot of the feeling of the time. Personally, I have nothing but respect for the hard work and talent BTS have demonstrated, even though I've only got two of their songs on any of my playlists and usually skip them. They are not my style, but I still appreciate all they have done for Kpop. I hope both EXO and BTS come back with a vengeance as they both have so much to offer and inspire so many to explore Kpop further. Kpop is more than these two groups, more than Black Pink or Big Bang, there are so many brilliant artists to find. I'll get off my high horse now, probably land in poop and limp of back to my own world.
As an Army who vibes to some of Exo's music, I'm kinda looking forward to a day when both groups can perform on the same stage again. It will be such a great day🤞
@@kuntalasen That would be awesome! Given how well they get on together, it would be both brilliant as a performance and a step away from the more negative aspects of Kpop. The only problem is, the tickets would probably sell out before I got one!
Thank you for being so respectful about BTS even if their music isn't your style. If you don't mind me asking what are the 2 songs of BTS on your playlist?
Because BTS is underdog. Than EXO's fans made slandering that BTS bought their own album. At that time, Big Hit still a small company that struggle financially. The recording of phone call from EXO's fans to the award organizer still available in youtube. The slandering is not only that. Many things, including death threat to some member od BTS.
BTS, PAVET THE WAY, PERO EL MAS ODIADO DE LA INDUSTRIA KPOP DESDE SUS INICIOS 😢, QUISIERON HUNDIRLO A MENUDO LAS FANS DEL KPOP SE UNEN FUERZAS EN CONTRA DE BTS , REGRESARA 2026 , Y SU LUGAR ESTARÁ INTACTO, APESAR QUE MUCHOS CELEBRARON SU ALISTAMIENTO SM, POR SEGUN ELLOS ERA FIN DE BTS, BTS SE FUE AL SM PERO AQUÍ QUEDO ARMY PARA ASEGURAR SU LUGAR POR QUE BTS ES MAS QUE MUSICA❤❤❤
The 3 Gods of Kpop for me are RAIN, BoA, BIGBANG. When I tell you I watched them glide on water, crossed the Pacific and the Atlantic... No easy feat. 90's early 2000's they took a lot a ish from the West cause I could tell people closed doors on them. Back then, no social media. They still persevered. "BoA - Eat You Up" still fiyah to this day. RAIN still causing trouble with his 8 pack and body rolls. BigBang taking awards from a Pop Princess. Good times, struggle was real. Hope the genre lasts and no one is out to sabotage the industry.
One huge oversight in this video was not mentioning Kim Gun Mo, who had a gigantic hit and album in 1995 with Wrongful Meeting. That album was the biggest selling kpop (or any genre) in Korea for almost 20 years.
? I can't find anything when googling that phrase. Seo Taiji on the other hand is a name rereated quiet often as is H.O.T. and some artists. So what are you talking about? I really want to know not challenge you.
Depends on the company like NCT has taken the place of EXO in SM, and now NCT is going to the military there is RIize. And now EXO is like BlackPink whose members have left agency for solo activites but will still return as a group.
What I can say is that kpop will keep changing no matter what. I hated how the music was becoming so Americanized and not how kpop used to be like. However I found that actually many kpop idols are more talented than ever and I found that while music is becoming more western it’s just to show how big kpop has become. Now I must say kpop scene is definitely going to be more new than ever because I have become the biggest fan of Plave. Ive never felt like this ever since exo. It’s weird to say this but it’s new but at the same time it reminds me of the kpop I loved being in. Also crazy to think how big bts has become now because I remember how unique they were when I discovered them in 2014. I don’t listen to them much now because most of them are in military 😢.
@ yep I am so glad I discovered them literally when they debuted! I watched their music show and I was curious because their vocals were actually so good and lead me through their channel where they did live streams!! I was like what??? Ever since then I have become their biggest fan even with exo I never had lightstick but I have two light sticks from plave it’s so crazy how much I love them 😍
@@JudiChewie Yeah but 2nd generation K-pop was more like the West's late 90's early 2000s sound which was more of a "cheesy" pop sound. I remember watching 2nd gen reaction videos (2010 -2015) from westerners and comments were often, "why is it so colourful", "It looks very Disney". Then afterwards K-pop went through a sexy stage and then became more "cool" by westerner standards.
@@Eiko286 I disagree, I wasn't really a fan of 2nd gen K-pop but their music has been always influenced by American market, let's remember what were the music sounds dominating each year and you have plenty of groups fitting in them, even if K-Pop was or is more experimental (few include traditional elements on it), is very westernized and companies act like hungry money companies since the beginning (like every industry). I literally didn't like K-pop because of the factured feeling that I got, but 3rd Gen, let's be honest, change everything. BTS change many things to K-pop, they didn't westernized, they made K-Pop be or have a spot in the map and now it is the genre with more listeners in the world.
Got7 is coming back before youngjae and yugyeom leave to the military. Gotta LOVE jinyoung for turning up the spoilers to max volume not two minutes after leaving military grounds 🙂↕️💚💚💚 Also no worries about bts not making a successful return 😘💜 chapter 2 has been lovely with all the solo work and experimenting in style. Now they all miss being a group so in 7 months we'll have them back~
I would recommend the UA-cam Originals series on Kpop, starting with their "The Birth of Kpop". While this guide is ok, that series is much deeper, with more original footage from the people that lived it. The episodes are about 20-25 mins each, and that's the first one.
The first revolution in Korean music. Cho Yong-pil. the second revolution Lee Moon-se. Three major revolutions. Seo Tai-ji and the children. Four revolutions. High Five Of Teenager. ( H.O.T)
Funny that when outsiders/Koreans/Korean politicians name the most important musicians they name: - Cho Yong-pil - Seo Taiji (president of culture) - BTS
Now the biggest physical album sales is Seventeen. Seventeen have many version of their album and most of their fans bought all version of the album and took only the photocard because the photocard are different in each version. Digital sales and streaming of Seventeen was low. It mean Seventeen have few fans but very rich. BTS still bigger than whole K-pop industries. The group that popular globally are Blackpink, StrayKids, TXT, Enhypen, and Twice (Twice gained popularity globally in recent days. They first is the most popular girl group in South korea, meanwhile Blackpink way more popular globally than in South Korea at their debut). New groups can enter Billboard 200 and Billboard Hot 100, but we should wait their consistency. Interestingly, No SM idols can enter Billboard Hot 100. Only JYP, YG, Hybe, and Attrakt. I don't know why US/America did not like SM. Although SM tried with Super M and NCT Hollywood.
Does NCT Hollywood actually exist? I think the music is one of the reasons SuperM did not succeed. Nevermind that their label forgot to pay radio and could not balance that through fan sales.
JYP decided to send Wonder Girls to the US during their peak.. & after that, girls generation becomes popular.. but before that, no girl groups can compete with Wonder Girls.. their only competitions back then were boy group such big bang & tvxq.. that shows how insanely popular they were back then..
12:16 he was, but not sexy sexy, more like anti-mainstream, the first one who dare to challenge what considered as innaproptiate at that time, if you listened to his song and read the translated lyrics, most of his song are bit an innuendo
Not all songs go by K-pop in Korea. Songs released since 2010 are defined as K-pop. (K-pop began to take off when girl groups such as Kara and Girls' Generation entered Japan and became popular.) From the late 2010s to the present, two groups, BTS and Blackpink, have had the greatest influence on raising K-pop's status. Of course, it is true that songs from the 21st century before 2010 also contributed greatly to making K-pop. K-pop has become a genre of Korean songs, not just Korean songs. It's a sentence written through Papago:), so there may be awkward parts. I apologize in advance.
think the video is a bit incorrect it mentioned gidle under 3rd gen but they have always been 4th gen, as 4th gen started around give or take 2018 which was the year gidle/itzy/stray kids debut which are all considered 4th gen and not 3rd gen. with aespa being in the middle to end of 4th gen. and to add to the video, 5th gen started around 2023 with zerobaseone being one of the 1st groups to be part of that gen including others.
That 5th generation thing makes no sense really and is probably down to marketing and wanting to debut at the beginning of a new generation since that is far better. But truthfully I do not care which generation those artist fall under. They can decide. The video speaks about not knowing where to draw the line between 3rd and 4th and as such mentions the artists that are debuted and some of those were taken into 4th gen since it is better for them, too.
unfortunately, some bitter people have found this video. i came to the comment section expecting to find praise for everyone's faves but of course, k-pop fans can never take a day off. enjoyed your reaction tho. also kinda disappointed that there was no mention in the videos about k-pop history on where their inspiration came from initially. k-pop is ultimately music made by black people repackaged (and lowkey appropriated especially in the earlier years).
@@thecopycatcustomvintage Yes I know but in a video about the history of k-pop, its true origins weren't mentioned. And I think it's extra important to give credit to black people's influence in k-pop considering how anti-black Korea was and to some degree still is.
@@yuyuhao Korea is also anti-women etc. All music is influenced by stuff but do you call that out in every genre like Pop? even R&B and Jazz seem to have been taken over by white artists? Should it be mentioned that the ballad/classical styles came from Europe via Japanese occupation? Mind you the music plays a lower rule in K-pop or at least did till recently. This is not about this kind of history. But Korean artists are fans of a multitude of US artists and many of those are Black and work with them.
I'm really a 2nd gen fan and Korean, honestly the video seems to get more and more biased the more recent it gets. But just to add a couple of notes pre-3rd gen, I get and partially agree on Seo Taiji and the boys as the beginning of "K-pop" but I also think Kim Wansun is worth mentioning (for the fact that she went through the first K-pop style training phase; then Lee Sooman of SME learnt the know-how from her manager and upgraded the technique). Ofc there are many more other influences I could name from that era (80s-early 90s) but yeah. Also, although I was a TVXQ stan at that time and the rivalry between them and Bigbang after they blew up was pretty hostile, but YOU CAN NEVER HIGHTLIGHT ENOUGH how impactful Bigbang and Wonder Girls' success in the late 00s was. Yes, BoA and H.O.T. and TVXQ and all the other groups (or solos like Rain) were what made K-pop international first (in China, Japan and in Asia), and the latin American market has been growing for a while now, but that simultaneous successes of Bigbang & Wonder Girls in '07-'08 was foundational to the current K-pop scene's shape in many ways. Esp Bigbang changed the game and stayed that way for a very long time. E.g. G-Dragon was the first K-pop personality to start influencing the world's fashion scene (and still is). Also, not to mention that these two groups brought YG and JYP as the biggest powerhouses in K-pop, alongside SME. I won't get into the 3rd gen bit, or about Bighit/HYBE bit, I wouldn't say the video is a complete bullshit either but could have been better.
Except that there are other "Idol" trainee systems far older: Motown and the Japanese Johnny Kitagawa who founded Johnny & Associates in the 1960s This is supposed to be a 20 minutes vid not 200. Something that has no successs or real influence is also not too good to mention.
@@ruthfischer7615 Yep I def recognise the Motown history, and the Johnny's as well, but they did not "directly" influence K-Pop. They did influence e.g. the very American influenced girl groups in the 60s, or Sobangcha in the 80s. But that doesn't have much to do with the K-Pop history what we have now in the big picture. Not saying the K-Pop training system is one-and-only but I'd say it is one huge factor that defines K-Pop, and I think its very much worth it to mention in a 20-minutes history. You'll need max 1 minute for that. Adding to that, Kim Wansun actually was one of the first gen export from the Korean pop music industry (I am being very careful here to not say "K-Pop"). Not only was she a sensational(ly popular) figure in the early 90s, domestically, she went over to Japan & Taiwan/Hongkong, got recognisably popular in the latter. (Record-breaking at the time)
@@dawnbugay7094 I mean... I know? I was fangirling them during that exact timeframe, and I do think they could be more emphasised in the video. But that would def mean Big bang would need much more focus as well. Then again, it's only a 20-min video.
@@wolf_f3749 They mentioned the trainee system shortly after mentioning Seo Taiji - including all the stuff that K-pop brought with it. For details you need a seperate vid - which is also true for extra information about BigBang. My guess is that when they made this vid they simply forgot her existence since this was way before them, too, and had only very little extra influence on K-pop. The topic was a wide brush for the stuff that existed but is not actually already K-pop or funnels directly in it. Did they mention that Japan introduced the ballads and classical music from Europe during the occupation? I don't remember. In fact the care is for the bigger markets of K-pop which begin with Japan and China before mentioning the global one. You are after details again - that may or may not have played a big role - it would need an expert to show those and I do not think that DKDKDTV have actually studied the music history of SK in detail for that. Did they mention Shin Joong-hyun? Because he is interesting, too. But not necessary for K-pop.
Seventeen now have the biggest physical album sales of all times. But their digital sales and streaming are low. It mean, Seventeen fans are small but very rich, because they bought all version of the album.
So BTS is the only k group that has enlisted together...I think it was also TVXQ..but not all group because one member left the group if you want you can search on the Google..I think we can t compare BTS with nobody because their impact is at another level . They are in military and no groups surpass BTS ...BTS and army is the biggest fandom in the world..and the biggest band in the world..I think nobody knows haw big BTS will be after military....
@dawnbugay7094 ok tvxq it was big but in Asia I know in Japan nobody suprass them till this day.. ..now we can blame the internet 😂 ..because of the internet there are a lot of groups but still BTS is the biggest..just facts
I just want to say that this video is biased-made and missed out a lot of things from the Hallyu Wave, the real pioneers of K-pop into the world, the ones who truly PAVED the way, which are the ones who need extensive sections in this video.
Pioneer is different with paved the way. Billboard have article that state BTS paved the way. Bangchan from StrayKids, Jihyo from Twice, Sunmi fro Wonder Girl literally said BTS paved the way before Billboard articles. "Boracity magazine" youtube channel have video about it. Even many k-pop idols said BTS paved they way, but their fans denied it because of jealousy.
Here are the characteristics of 4th-gen groups, I think - Debuted at a very young age - Girl crush/very fierce concept - Half-white, half-Korean member - 90% of the lyrics are in English - Relatively good at English - Relatively bad at singing (back then, MR/AR tech wasn't good, and they had to sing live everywhere until Gen 3)
@@ZenzJoh Sounds like you don't like them. K-pop always debuted at a young age or begun early: see IU, G-Dragon, Taemin etc. You are also talking about trends as if everyone is doing them. They are also not bad at singing that is just what you think. I have recently seen a clip of 2 old 1st/2nd gen Idol talking about these days more Idols were singing live and how they lipsynced.
This guide was made by a biased fan, this is clear as day. So many really meaningful facts were "eccidentally" forgotten and simply not mentioned, that it's not even funny. I was not being a part of kpop community more than a decade just to see how much SM artists and especially EXO continue to be disrespected, even underrepresented as real first global kpop stars that really paved the way to all the younger idols!😤 As for nowadays, i don't afraid of a future after all the military stuff gets ended. EXO-ls are strong, sales show it. And general public do too. Just look at korean charts RIGHT NOW😂 As winter is coming, guess what artist comes to everybody's mind when you need winter mood music in your playlist!😂 No paid promotions, no tv appearances, no new releases, just pure people's memory and love! That's what public LOVE is.
It is always funny to see how people like you love to rewrite history and what is actually happening. Your world is very small. For example no SM artist did ever make it into the HOT100. Since this is only a 20 minutes video Exo actually pretty much got the attention they deserved. Fans of all artists and that includes Army pout about a lot about this documentary because it excludes so much... because it is only supposed to be 20 minutes. Danny loves to annoy Army and even David is not a fan but he does respect them so I do not know where you get your stance from other than you feel that Exo deserves better.
I think the difference is that BTS has (uncommonly) chosen to do their military service together and prepared solo content etc ahead of time. They will definitely be 7 as soon as they are all back and I think it might change the way groups typically do their military service going forward
I'd like to point out that other groups also went in as a group and set up a plan for their fans/members prior to BTS' enlistment, and it definitely showed promise as a revolutionary way to do their service. ONF was the first group to do their service together in 2021 and all enlisted within the span of a few weeks, leaving their Japanese member to promote ONF on various shows and work on his own skills. While they didn't go as far as to try to push out music during their service, their group service allowed them to come back as a group and they quickly were able to push out a comeback that got them their first win since debut. Seeing the success of ONF in 2023 despite no music promotions and BTS next year, I'm sure more will indeed follow.
I think the op meant the first very popular group that most everyone knows about.
@@OfficialAwkbe yup, ONF definitely pioneers of this method! A.C.E also did it this way, their maknae had some obligations so he had to go a few weeks after everyone else but they all discharged pretty close together. It was awesome to have them back so soon.
@laurainathunderstorm after that BTOB did the same. There's a 5-year gap between the oldest and the maknae but the latter chose to enlist ahead of time so the group's hiatus time was shortened.
@@Julianna_w oh yeah, forgot BTOB also went pretty close to e/o as well
SHINee has prospered after military. Their group and individuals solos in the last two years have reached higher levels than before. I expect that BTS will be just as successful post military as before
Jimin solo song "Who" release when he in the military and still charting at Billboard Hot 100 in 16 weeks. I don't know Shinee popularity, but they never enter Billboard Hot 100.
It's true Jimin and other members achieved so much during military
But I think what the @kit_subs meant that shinee have achieved more after military than before
Hey! I know you 👋🏾😂
Yes, many people think that K-pop is a recent and sudden trend, but in fact, K-pop has a long history.
Yes shinee would be best example as their popularity has always been high before and after enlistment
The fact that this video was made on the cusp between 3rd and 4th gen and now we're already moving into 5th gen shows just how much kpop has grown since and that a whole era has not been covered by this video.
I would also say that in terms of staying power after military you can't deny that suju's power to be where they are, still making comebacks, as they now celebrate their 19th anniversary. They may not be as popular as they once were but considering they were stuck in the military cycle throughout the 2010s and are still very much around and relevant both throughout and after they all finished.
Day6 are post-military, and still going just as strong as before, as beloved by the public as well. Sure they're a band, but still an idol band, and I'd say they're a good example of it happening
I love them sooo much ....even though Jae left and they continued as 4 but I would have been mad I guess if they wouldnt have been able to return.
SHINee are definitely the poster group for coming back after their enlistment even stronger than before, even breaking new personal records! A deep dive on them someday would be fun 💎💎💎💎💎
28:55 I think with this discussion we have to keep in mind that after going to the military where you're forced to have routine and then getting out and being able to dictate your own life while the other members serve, it would be hard to go back to the crazy intense unhealthy schedule of an idol with constant comebacks, tours, promotions, reality shows, livestreams, variety shows etc. So I don't mind that groups release music a bit less often but with a better sense of their own artistry.
Excellent point, well said!
25;:06 i just love this moment bc this was just so legendary. seo tajji passing the crown to BTS
i think even in korea bts's copetitors are like IU or lim woong young who are not even considered kpop
and about post military 2 of them are already home and the rest is all out in july 2025 their plan is so genuis and going pretty well some of them were so selfless to go early considering their global success as soloists .
The other 5 members of BTS get discharged in June 2025, not July.
@crystalsnow1138 the last member to discharge is suga and his date is on June 21, 2025.
In South Korea, their competitor are Lim Woong Young a trot singer. But BTS popular globally. South Korea is only 7th biggest music market in the world. 1st is US, 2nd is Japan, 3rd is UK. Except ARMY, BTS got hate by many kpop fnas and the industries in South Korea, because of jealousy. Mainstream media of South Korea also hate BTS. JTBC only get light punishment when made fake news about SUga.
한국인들은 그렇게 생각하지않습니다 k팝의 원조는 서태지와 아이들이고 지금의 BTS나 블랙핑크가 있는건 빅뱅이 가장 큰 영향을 준것은 부정할수없는 사실입니다
EXOL reassurance of sorts but also a reality check:
EXO will always be EXO and they WILL COME BACK. However...
There's no way of knowing when exactly that'll be and with what lineup (at least when talking about an official comeback under sm). The lawsuits between CBX and SM are messy to say the least and there are no updates on that so we can only hope and pray they come to a beneficial agreement for all parties. Won't get into that deeper, we'll have to wait and see. (CBX is right to stand up for themselves and their rights as artists!! Period)
Back to the reassurance! At this moment only one thing is certain: EXO are forever EXO as they have always promised us. Again, they will come back, we'll just have to wait for them.
PS. NEVER trust anything anyone (including SM) says about them, ONLY trust what the members say. ALWAYS TRUST EXO and we will be fine
Stay strong together EXO EXOLS ❤️
Such an interesting question about post enlistment popularity - the only one I can think that has sustained a similar level would be SHINee. There are loads of group that are still together and active (Super Junior, BTOB, 2PM, 2AM to name a few) but arguably not to the same level as when they were in their prime. It also ties in with contracts expiring around the time they enlist as well and with members operating under different labels its a bit harder to get together.
On a different note would love to see you guys dive into g.o.d - probably one of the few 1st gen groups that are still actively together - they've got an amazing back catalogue!
To me its definitely SHINee...all are back n they do hv solo stuff n they still win music shows as a group n as soloist as well!!! This year alone i hd d opportunity of going to a SHINee concert a Onew solo fanmeet n Taemin solo concert...these stars are still shining despite being a 12 year old band!!!💎👍
They barely win 😂
For me, for all Time: Big Bang ❤❤❤
G-Dragon new solo song cannot be more popular than Blackpink's solo songs globally.
@anistardi maybe, because he came back after 7 years. But it became a trend, and only one person could do it.
@@anistardishut up
@@anistardi Gd famous bfr all this social media..its like saying Ice Spice is bigger than Sia/Lady Gaga..famous of course..but influential?? i dont think so..thats y GD or Bigbang is known as idol of idols
You forgot their biggest rival TVXQ OT5 😉
Unlike what the video suggests, many kpop fans divide the line between 3rd and 4th gen at 2017. Groups like Stray Kids, Ateez, and TXT are all firmly identified as leaders of the 4th generation! (also as others mentioned, SVT and NCT are both firmly identified as 3rd gen groups)
Personally, I like to use the concept of "half" generations for the years where it gets blurred. For me, groups that debuted in 2017 feel like 3.5 gen since it's kinda hazy whether they should be considered as 3rd or 4th gen. The same thing with groups that debuted in 2022 (like New Jeans), which has kind of felt like the transition year from 4th to 5th gen of kpop and have many people divided as to how these groups should be identified (2022 would be 4.5 gen to me). But again, it is all up to everyone's own perspectives and opinions as to how they view the generations and compartmentalize them in their own ways!
This is new! I wasn’t expecting this ❤
Yes shinee, epik high, the rose would be best example as their popularity has always been high before and after enlistment.
bigbang🎉🎉🎉🎉
This was wonderfully educational! Thanks for reacting to it!
27:02 there's plenty! SHINee are doing amazing (although they were always very popular) and smaller groups sometimes get a boost from having a comeback in places like kcon or music bank, sometimes a member goes into a survival show while waiting for everyone to return and gains a fanbase that is willing to wait. A.C.E and ONF have gotten more popular since they came back from their service and I feel like KARD also got a boost after J.Seph rejoined activities
Loved the reaction! Do more of these, we get to learn a long as well. Its hard when your both an exo-l and an army
The K-pop history videos are always interesting, I liked this for a new take on the Throwback Thursday segment. You should consider doing more in the future please.
As for the GOT7 confusion... GOT7 consists of 3 foreigners and 4 Koreans, 2 of which have recently completed their enlistment. The other 2 are probably enlisting next year after the GOT7 comeback. And yes, Jackson is still part of GOT7
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This took me back! I remember going off Kpop in 2012 because whenever I mentioned liking Kpop, all anyone said was "Oh Gangnam Style!" and I hated that song with a passion. EXO brought me back. "Now it's "Oh BTS!"
Just to clarify, Seventeen are never considered a borderline 3rd gen/4th gen group in the way you mentioned them at the end of the video alongside Stray Kids and TXT. They're firmly a 3rd gen group as they debuted in 2015, the same year as Twice and before groups like Black Pink and NCT who are also firmly 3rd gen.
Isn’t txt 4 gen tho? Stray kids ateez and seventeen and the other groups you mentioned are all defo 3rd gen but I always thought txt were 4th 🙈😂 x
@@sarahlittle6227 Yeah TXT are definitely 4th gen, I think most people consider Ateez and Stray Kids 4th gen too
@@llamalief456I kinda go 2013 to the end of 2018 3rd gen and 2019 is 4th but I could be wrong 🙈
Seventeen is 3rd generation while txt is 4th
@@carribeanbratzguyanesequeen997 exactly
If you want to check out how Kpop music changed check out "KPOP's Top 10 Most Viewed Music Videos Each Year (2009 to 2023)".
Not to be too negative but EXO is at a disadvantage now more than ever because of their own company. Even before the members started enlisting, the company itself has limited EXO promotions within asia, while other bigger groups now have even western labels. It's difficult to "compete" when even your own company restricts you. And currently, half of the members are under their own label for solo work which could affect group activities due to scheduling and what not's. So i don't think EXO is even thinking about competition now. They just want to continue performing as a group for EXOLs and honestly, that is enough for me. I don't care about charts anymore. They have been there, done that. Maybe not at the scale some groups are currently achieving but their many Firsts in the industry speak of their impact. I just hope no one forgets ☹
I've seen social media posts where people are already labeling EXO a "legacy group" - despite them being super active right now. It's weird. But they're still getting new fans. So their impact is safe, I believe. And about what you said of competition, I love how they tell us not to buy multiples of their albums and to buy nice clothes and good food instead. It just made me stan them harder..
Totally agree with you, ❤
we know that struggle, and we just hope that they can still come together to sing for us exols, and that's enough
I like what you said and can't agree more...EXO is not for competition. They were,they are and will always be for music and our Kings will keep delivering and serving us and we will keep appreciating and love them for that forever💙✨️
Definitely agree. Even Chen at their final award appearance said there's no competition in music and I completely agree. I think competition is silly especially in music as a fan. It's all there for anyone to enjoy and we can pick and choose as we want. They're all talented and all making their own paths. I really hate it feels like such a competition and popularity contest in kpop now and of a group doesn't get this many streams or this many sales then they're a "flop" despite how great the quality is. The music industry is such a fickle business. What's popular today, won't be tomorrow so what matters is the quality of music that'll be left behind 10, 20, 30 years from now. What was number one on which chart isn't going to matter to generations ahead of us. I just don't care about chart success anymore. I want a no skip album lol
EXO is on the level where numbers and such dont matter anymore. They are still the nations BG and their impact is huge like Big Bangs and both will forever remain on the top of kpop....as the Vocal Kings and Kings of K-pop.
But I still think the internet will break when Big Bang and EXO have a comeback again. Just saying.
All I need is them and SHINee and SM groups in general back on award shows and show how its done. Regardless of them winning anything but just to put out shows like it used to before ;)
Also I doubt EXO will ever disband regardless them being forever in SM or not.
I miss DKDK tv 😢 their channel was very educational
BTS is on another level and their Army fans are loyal and has even increased despite going to military because of their successful solo stuff. It's hard to go back from military and be on top because there's always a new group that takes your place in your company or in kpop in general. But in BTS, they have made efforts to make their fans loyal with continued content all mapped out until 2025. And their records and popularity have not been surpassed by any group so far. Some strayed but most stayed loyal to BTS... because some/most Army are BTS fans and not kpop fans so they tend not to leave BTS for the next new shiny group.
FACTS
Actually there was NO OTHER level for them. They were promoted in US literally as a D.E.I. pick. Artistically the quality of their content started to decline EVEN before their enlistment. Now there is nothing about them to be different or even unique even within kpop industry, not to mention american one.
@Alexandra_Indina not an exo fan saying this.. 🤣 you just mad..
@@Alexandra_Indina
Says the one who does not understand BTS at all. You judge them by K-pop standards instead of what is really going on.
Their storyline ended in 2020 but the pandemic and politicians delayed them for years. Which is why we get the 3 English songs (and BE) before they went into pre-military solo activities to develop more as artists.
You may not like the music but it is very good.
There is a reason why critics call RM's album one of the best albums globally this year for example.
I don't know what will happen with the future of k-pop, but no matter what happens I will always support my 7 boys, BTS💜🥰
BtoB is close to the same
Day6 is also close
SHINee's Back
EPIC HIGH
Super Junior is still around but not all the members were part of the group before military
Sometimes there are problems not related to the actual military service, often military service and the end of the 7 year contracts overlap
A.C.E is back and busy
ONF all did their military service together and I just saw them in concert last month and it was great
bands like CNBLUE and Ft Island and of course The Rose are all busy after military service
My belief is that there will be more groups that may be able to make that transition. The issue is do fans want to see older idol groups.
Please react to jin "running wild" mv and his album "happy"
Seo Taiji and Boys debuted in 1992 and their debut song was "I Know" and it was a huge hit. And among the members, there is a person named Yang Hyun Suk who is now the president of YG
ehhhhh?!? Those last three letters really brought a twist to the story that I wasn't expecting 😂
@katy8605 OMG sorry I wrote it wrong 😅
@@조영민-x7s Noooo you should keep it like that! It made me laugh and cheered me up.
I don't know if you realize this but UA-cam is not populated with Documentarians. UA-cam is random people producing videos that sometimes contain facts but mostly are opinions from people with a camera and a computer.
This is my sarcastic way of saying take every "Fact/History" video with a giant mountain of salt.
Thank you... I'm hoping that our sarcastic tone when we said 'documentary' came across as well :-)
Except DKDKTV is not quiet random.
This one is actually pretty good.
Fans of different artists are all pouting because there is stuff missing but than it was supposed to be 20 minutes not 200.
K팝에 많은 관심 가져 주셔서 너무 감사합니다.
구독해요!😊
About rivalries, having gone through the 2017 award ceremonies, I get those reasons why the EXO/BTS rivalry got so heated. Having had those award groups since then apologise for not treating EXO fairly kinda vindicates a lot of the feeling of the time. Personally, I have nothing but respect for the hard work and talent BTS have demonstrated, even though I've only got two of their songs on any of my playlists and usually skip them. They are not my style, but I still appreciate all they have done for Kpop. I hope both EXO and BTS come back with a vengeance as they both have so much to offer and inspire so many to explore Kpop further. Kpop is more than these two groups, more than Black Pink or Big Bang, there are so many brilliant artists to find. I'll get off my high horse now, probably land in poop and limp of back to my own world.
As an Army who vibes to some of Exo's music, I'm kinda looking forward to a day when both groups can perform on the same stage again. It will be such a great day🤞
@@kuntalasen That would be awesome! Given how well they get on together, it would be both brilliant as a performance and a step away from the more negative aspects of Kpop. The only problem is, the tickets would probably sell out before I got one!
Thank you for being so respectful about BTS even if their music isn't your style. If you don't mind me asking what are the 2 songs of BTS on your playlist?
@@crystalsnow1138 Black Swan and Fire.
Because BTS is underdog. Than EXO's fans made slandering that BTS bought their own album. At that time, Big Hit still a small company that struggle financially. The recording of phone call from EXO's fans to the award organizer still available in youtube. The slandering is not only that. Many things, including death threat to some member od BTS.
BTS, PAVET THE WAY,
PERO EL MAS ODIADO DE LA INDUSTRIA KPOP DESDE SUS INICIOS 😢, QUISIERON HUNDIRLO A MENUDO LAS FANS DEL KPOP SE UNEN FUERZAS EN CONTRA DE BTS ,
REGRESARA 2026 , Y SU LUGAR ESTARÁ INTACTO, APESAR QUE MUCHOS CELEBRARON SU ALISTAMIENTO SM, POR SEGUN ELLOS ERA FIN DE BTS,
BTS SE FUE AL SM PERO AQUÍ QUEDO ARMY PARA ASEGURAR SU LUGAR POR QUE BTS ES MAS QUE MUSICA❤❤❤
I hope u guys react to audition tv program like Produce101/Street woman figther or Sixteen. It's really fun to watch i swear
King Of Kpop ❤️🔥👑🛐
The 3 Gods of Kpop for me are RAIN, BoA, BIGBANG. When I tell you I watched them glide on water, crossed the Pacific and the Atlantic... No easy feat. 90's early 2000's they took a lot a ish from the West cause I could tell people closed doors on them. Back then, no social media. They still persevered. "BoA - Eat You Up" still fiyah to this day. RAIN still causing trouble with his 8 pack and body rolls. BigBang taking awards from a Pop Princess. Good times, struggle was real. Hope the genre lasts and no one is out to sabotage the industry.
One huge oversight in this video was not mentioning Kim Gun Mo, who had a gigantic hit and album in 1995 with Wrongful Meeting. That album was the biggest selling kpop (or any genre) in Korea for almost 20 years.
That is Korean music... but not K-pop.
Separate section and Underdogs of all Underdogs 💯 BTS ❤❤
The beginning of K-pop is Seoul Moon Knight.
It was a contest for numerous dancers.
Without Moon Knight, there was no current K-POP.
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I can't find anything when googling that phrase.
Seo Taiji on the other hand is a name rereated quiet often as is H.O.T. and some artists.
So what are you talking about? I really want to know not challenge you.
Depends on the company like NCT has taken the place of EXO in SM, and now NCT is going to the military there is RIize. And now EXO is like BlackPink whose members have left agency for solo activites but will still return as a group.
What I can say is that kpop will keep changing no matter what. I hated how the music was becoming so Americanized and not how kpop used to be like. However I found that actually many kpop idols are more talented than ever and I found that while music is becoming more western it’s just to show how big kpop has become. Now I must say kpop scene is definitely going to be more new than ever because I have become the biggest fan of Plave. Ive never felt like this ever since exo. It’s weird to say this but it’s new but at the same time it reminds me of the kpop I loved being in. Also crazy to think how big bts has become now because I remember how unique they were when I discovered them in 2014. I don’t listen to them much now because most of them are in military 😢.
I love Plave! They definitely represent a new era of kpop
@ yep I am so glad I discovered them literally when they debuted! I watched their music show and I was curious because their vocals were actually so good and lead me through their channel where they did live streams!! I was like what??? Ever since then I have become their biggest fan even with exo I never had lightstick but I have two light sticks from plave it’s so crazy how much I love them 😍
But kpop has always been seeped in western music. Always. Even Lee Sooman admitted that much
@@JudiChewie Yeah but 2nd generation K-pop was more like the West's late 90's early 2000s sound which was more of a "cheesy" pop sound. I remember watching 2nd gen reaction videos (2010 -2015) from westerners and comments were often, "why is it so colourful", "It looks very Disney". Then afterwards K-pop went through a sexy stage and then became more "cool" by westerner standards.
@@Eiko286 I disagree, I wasn't really a fan of 2nd gen K-pop but their music has been always influenced by American market, let's remember what were the music sounds dominating each year and you have plenty of groups fitting in them, even if K-Pop was or is more experimental (few include traditional elements on it), is very westernized and companies act like hungry money companies since the beginning (like every industry).
I literally didn't like K-pop because of the factured feeling that I got, but 3rd Gen, let's be honest, change everything. BTS change many things to K-pop, they didn't westernized, they made K-Pop be or have a spot in the map and now it is the genre with more listeners in the world.
Gwenchana² ! ! ! 💔🫂❤️🩹
Start at 4:03
you should react to this channel's Most Influential KPOP Artist in History video as well. Can get a more in depth in Seo Taiji's career
Got7 is coming back before youngjae and yugyeom leave to the military. Gotta LOVE jinyoung for turning up the spoilers to max volume not two minutes after leaving military grounds 🙂↕️💚💚💚
Also no worries about bts not making a successful return 😘💜 chapter 2 has been lovely with all the solo work and experimenting in style. Now they all miss being a group so in 7 months we'll have them back~
All time greats for me are TVXQ , B.A.P, and now Monsta X
I would recommend the UA-cam Originals series on Kpop, starting with their "The Birth of Kpop". While this guide is ok, that series is much deeper, with more original footage from the people that lived it. The episodes are about 20-25 mins each, and that's the first one.
It's also slanted more to certain artists.
Rise of bangtan
BTS documentary reaction please ❤
OG KPOP FANS ୧⑅⃝☕
That was actually YG dancing at 5:38
6:31 right side is yang-hyun suk who made YG entertainment later
5:41 that's not JYP that's actually YG‼️‼️‼️‼️😂
Im second 😊😅
정확히는 80년대 용산 미8군 이태원 문나이트 클럽에서 시작된게 맞음
미군을 통해서 힙합 음악과 브레이킹 댄스가 들어오기 시작함
이주노 박철우 현진영 양현석 강원래 구준엽 이현도 김성재 성대현등
힙합댄서로 시작해서 아이돌 데뷔함
The first revolution in Korean music.
Cho Yong-pil.
the second revolution
Lee Moon-se.
Three major revolutions.
Seo Tai-ji and the children.
Four revolutions.
High Five Of Teenager.
( H.O.T)
Funny that when outsiders/Koreans/Korean politicians name the most important musicians they name:
- Cho Yong-pil
- Seo Taiji (president of culture)
- BTS
BTS paved the way fr 🗣️🗣️
한국 사람(x세대) 입장에서는.. 너무 아이돌 중심으로 정리된거 같기도 한 느낌... ㅎㅎ 암튼 고생 많으셨네요!!
Now the biggest physical album sales is Seventeen. Seventeen have many version of their album and most of their fans bought all version of the album and took only the photocard because the photocard are different in each version. Digital sales and streaming of Seventeen was low. It mean Seventeen have few fans but very rich. BTS still bigger than whole K-pop industries. The group that popular globally are Blackpink, StrayKids, TXT, Enhypen, and Twice (Twice gained popularity globally in recent days. They first is the most popular girl group in South korea, meanwhile Blackpink way more popular globally than in South Korea at their debut). New groups can enter Billboard 200 and Billboard Hot 100, but we should wait their consistency. Interestingly, No SM idols can enter Billboard Hot 100. Only JYP, YG, Hybe, and Attrakt. I don't know why US/America did not like SM. Although SM tried with Super M and NCT Hollywood.
Does NCT Hollywood actually exist?
I think the music is one of the reasons SuperM did not succeed. Nevermind that their label forgot to pay radio and could not balance that through fan sales.
12:17 🤣🤣🤣
JYP decided to send Wonder Girls to the US during their peak.. & after that, girls generation becomes popular.. but before that, no girl groups can compete with Wonder Girls.. their only competitions back then were boy group such big bang & tvxq.. that shows how insanely popular they were back then..
BTS THE KINGS OF THE KPOP
12:16 he was, but not sexy sexy, more like anti-mainstream, the first one who dare to challenge what considered as innaproptiate at that time, if you listened to his song and read the translated lyrics, most of his song are bit an innuendo
Not all songs go by K-pop in Korea.
Songs released since 2010 are defined as K-pop.
(K-pop began to take off when girl groups such as Kara and Girls' Generation entered Japan and became popular.)
From the late 2010s to the present, two groups, BTS and Blackpink, have had the greatest influence on raising K-pop's status.
Of course, it is true that songs from the 21st century before 2010 also contributed greatly to making K-pop.
K-pop has become a genre of Korean songs, not just Korean songs.
It's a sentence written through Papago:), so there may be awkward parts. I apologize in advance.
Balming Tiger may have called themselves K-pop but I think most people disagree with that.
think the video is a bit incorrect it mentioned gidle under 3rd gen but they have always been 4th gen, as 4th gen started around give or take 2018 which was the year gidle/itzy/stray kids debut which are all considered 4th gen and not 3rd gen. with aespa being in the middle to end of 4th gen. and to add to the video, 5th gen started around 2023 with zerobaseone being one of the 1st groups to be part of that gen including others.
That 5th generation thing makes no sense really and is probably down to marketing and wanting to debut at the beginning of a new generation since that is far better.
But truthfully I do not care which generation those artist fall under. They can decide.
The video speaks about not knowing where to draw the line between 3rd and 4th and as such mentions the artists that are debuted and some of those were taken into 4th gen since it is better for them, too.
unfortunately, some bitter people have found this video. i came to the comment section expecting to find praise for everyone's faves but of course, k-pop fans can never take a day off. enjoyed your reaction tho. also kinda disappointed that there was no mention in the videos about k-pop history on where their inspiration came from initially. k-pop is ultimately music made by black people repackaged (and lowkey appropriated especially in the earlier years).
All music is inspired by other music. That's just the way it is. Look into the beginnings of rock n roll. It's all repackaged for different markets.
@@thecopycatcustomvintage Yes I know but in a video about the history of k-pop, its true origins weren't mentioned. And I think it's extra important to give credit to black people's influence in k-pop considering how anti-black Korea was and to some degree still is.
@@yuyuhao
Korea is also anti-women etc.
All music is influenced by stuff but do you call that out in every genre like Pop? even R&B and Jazz seem to have been taken over by white artists?
Should it be mentioned that the ballad/classical styles came from Europe via Japanese occupation?
Mind you the music plays a lower rule in K-pop or at least did till recently.
This is not about this kind of history.
But Korean artists are fans of a multitude of US artists and many of those are Black and work with them.
Can you guys please react to bts?
Exo❤
I'm really a 2nd gen fan and Korean, honestly the video seems to get more and more biased the more recent it gets. But just to add a couple of notes pre-3rd gen, I get and partially agree on Seo Taiji and the boys as the beginning of "K-pop" but I also think Kim Wansun is worth mentioning (for the fact that she went through the first K-pop style training phase; then Lee Sooman of SME learnt the know-how from her manager and upgraded the technique). Ofc there are many more other influences I could name from that era (80s-early 90s) but yeah. Also, although I was a TVXQ stan at that time and the rivalry between them and Bigbang after they blew up was pretty hostile, but YOU CAN NEVER HIGHTLIGHT ENOUGH how impactful Bigbang and Wonder Girls' success in the late 00s was. Yes, BoA and H.O.T. and TVXQ and all the other groups (or solos like Rain) were what made K-pop international first (in China, Japan and in Asia), and the latin American market has been growing for a while now, but that simultaneous successes of Bigbang & Wonder Girls in '07-'08 was foundational to the current K-pop scene's shape in many ways. Esp Bigbang changed the game and stayed that way for a very long time. E.g. G-Dragon was the first K-pop personality to start influencing the world's fashion scene (and still is). Also, not to mention that these two groups brought YG and JYP as the biggest powerhouses in K-pop, alongside SME.
I won't get into the 3rd gen bit, or about Bighit/HYBE bit, I wouldn't say the video is a complete bullshit either but could have been better.
Except that there are other "Idol" trainee systems far older:
Motown and the Japanese Johnny Kitagawa who founded Johnny & Associates in the 1960s
This is supposed to be a 20 minutes vid not 200.
Something that has no successs or real influence is also not too good to mention.
Dude you didn’t know how big TVXQ during 2004-2010. They open the market of kpop in Japan! Get all of the awards!
@@ruthfischer7615 Yep I def recognise the Motown history, and the Johnny's as well, but they did not "directly" influence K-Pop. They did influence e.g. the very American influenced girl groups in the 60s, or Sobangcha in the 80s. But that doesn't have much to do with the K-Pop history what we have now in the big picture. Not saying the K-Pop training system is one-and-only but I'd say it is one huge factor that defines K-Pop, and I think its very much worth it to mention in a 20-minutes history. You'll need max 1 minute for that.
Adding to that, Kim Wansun actually was one of the first gen export from the Korean pop music industry (I am being very careful here to not say "K-Pop"). Not only was she a sensational(ly popular) figure in the early 90s, domestically, she went over to Japan & Taiwan/Hongkong, got recognisably popular in the latter. (Record-breaking at the time)
@@dawnbugay7094 I mean... I know? I was fangirling them during that exact timeframe, and I do think they could be more emphasised in the video. But that would def mean Big bang would need much more focus as well. Then again, it's only a 20-min video.
@@wolf_f3749
They mentioned the trainee system shortly after mentioning Seo Taiji - including all the stuff that K-pop brought with it.
For details you need a seperate vid - which is also true for extra information about BigBang.
My guess is that when they made this vid they simply forgot her existence since this was way before them, too, and had only very little extra influence on K-pop.
The topic was a wide brush for the stuff that existed but is not actually already K-pop or funnels directly in it.
Did they mention that Japan introduced the ballads and classical music from Europe during the occupation? I don't remember.
In fact the care is for the bigger markets of K-pop which begin with Japan and China before mentioning the global one.
You are after details again - that may or may not have played a big role - it would need an expert to show those and I do not think that DKDKDTV have actually studied the music history of SK in detail for that.
Did they mention Shin Joong-hyun?
Because he is interesting, too. But not necessary for K-pop.
I'm first wooooooo
I think now Seventeen has surpassed EXO in album sales for all time
Yep
Seventeen now have the biggest physical album sales of all times. But their digital sales and streaming are low. It mean, Seventeen fans are small but very rich, because they bought all version of the album.
So BTS is the only k group that has enlisted together...I think it was also TVXQ..but not all group because one member left the group if you want you can search on the Google..I think we can t compare BTS with nobody because their impact is at another level . They are in military and no groups surpass BTS ...BTS and army is the biggest fandom in the world..and the biggest band in the world..I think nobody knows haw big BTS will be after military....
It’s because of the “INTERNET” lols no one can surpassed TVXQ ot5 popularity before even without the internet
@dawnbugay7094 ok tvxq it was big but in Asia I know in Japan nobody suprass them till this day.. ..now we can blame the internet 😂 ..because of the internet there are a lot of groups but still BTS is the biggest..just facts
클론이 빠져 있다니. ㅠㅠ
The Rose is all done with military
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ya udh jelas pasti BTS lah😂💜
한류에 시작은 클론이지 클론이 빠짐
Ateez new album golden hour pt 2 is out i was wondering if you can react to it.
I also would appreciate it 🙏🫰
5:51 isn’t this ji Seok Jin wowwww if it is
It looks like a picture of him I've seen before, but the Korean name underneath says Shin Seunghoon, I think.
@ ohhh it does right enough! Didn’t even think about reading that but even the voice sounded similar 😂
My EXO, i'll always love you! 💗
I thought you would include TxT to the behind the scenes joke hahhaha This is a joke I wont get tired of unlike your GOT7 joke Simon :P
왜 jpop은 없어요?
Because this is K-pop.
나는 한국인 이지만 k-pop을 안듣는다.
I just want to say that this video is biased-made and missed out a lot of things from the Hallyu Wave, the real pioneers of K-pop into the world, the ones who truly PAVED the way, which are the ones who need extensive sections in this video.
Ah, I see. Is there an alternative video you would recommend? We'd absolutely love to get a full history!
@@alongfortheridereacts 90s k
Pioneer is different with paved the way. Billboard have article that state BTS paved the way. Bangchan from StrayKids, Jihyo from Twice, Sunmi fro Wonder Girl literally said BTS paved the way before Billboard articles. "Boracity magazine" youtube channel have video about it. Even many k-pop idols said BTS paved they way, but their fans denied it because of jealousy.
we can definitely tell what group you don’t like!
Seo Taiji has.
Here are the characteristics of 4th-gen groups, I think
- Debuted at a very young age
- Girl crush/very fierce concept
- Half-white, half-Korean member
- 90% of the lyrics are in English
- Relatively good at English
- Relatively bad at singing (back then, MR/AR tech wasn't good, and they had to sing live everywhere until Gen 3)
+ Korean-American/Australian member
+ Many of them are from middle clsss/rich famjmy
@@ZenzJoh
Sounds like you don't like them.
K-pop always debuted at a young age or begun early:
see IU, G-Dragon, Taemin etc.
You are also talking about trends as if everyone is doing them.
They are also not bad at singing that is just what you think.
I have recently seen a clip of 2 old 1st/2nd gen Idol talking about these days more Idols were singing live and how they lipsynced.
Exo all the way. My forever 👑
표절,샘플링의 역사 ㄷㄷ
I love buzzwords!
They are so easy to drop and you do not have to know the context or what they really mean but you can say mean things about others!
This guide was made by a biased fan, this is clear as day. So many really meaningful facts were "eccidentally" forgotten and simply not mentioned, that it's not even funny. I was not being a part of kpop community more than a decade just to see how much SM artists and especially EXO continue to be disrespected, even underrepresented as real first global kpop stars that really paved the way to all the younger idols!😤
As for nowadays, i don't afraid of a future after all the military stuff gets ended. EXO-ls are strong, sales show it. And general public do too. Just look at korean charts RIGHT NOW😂 As winter is coming, guess what artist comes to everybody's mind when you need winter mood music in your playlist!😂 No paid promotions, no tv appearances, no new releases, just pure people's memory and love! That's what public LOVE is.
It is always funny to see how people like you love to rewrite history and what is actually happening.
Your world is very small.
For example no SM artist did ever make it into the HOT100.
Since this is only a 20 minutes video Exo actually pretty much got the attention they deserved.
Fans of all artists and that includes Army pout about a lot about this documentary because it excludes so much... because it is only supposed to be 20 minutes.
Danny loves to annoy Army and even David is not a fan but he does respect them so I do not know where you get your stance from other than you feel that Exo deserves better.
Seotaiji is not real musician. They are dance boys like millie Vanilli
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