It's hard to imagen that he actually survived it all before his crucifixion. His body must have gone into shock, then after a while all he probably felt was pressure of the wipe hitting him. My wife and I watched The Passion, we couldn't stop crying during that scene, she was so moved by the movie that she became a Christian and brought me closer to Christ. It's amazing how the Holy Spirit works its wonders.
Remember also that the romans where swinging down as they flogging him, they weren't swinging up like in the video and the Roman's where extremely strong. This means those things came down with the force of a freight train.
Singapore caning most likely gives it a run for its money. The caning strokes are carried out by martial arts experts, and the force of the strokes cuts the skin right down to the bone.
@@namesomega3694 And in medieval Japan they boiled people alive. And in China they cut them slowly to pieces, making sure that they stayed alive as long as possible. Alas, the despicable sadistic cruelty of man, permeates history. The horror.. the horror..
@@terreausore2435 say hello to lucifer, he's waiting for you. Or you could change your view and repent. Learn about God and detach from the secular. It's your eternity, it's your decision. I'll pray you
When I saw the movie "The Passion of The Christ" I could not stop the tears to think my Savior Jesus would take my place. He was the only one worthy to pay the price and blood pure that would satisfy God's anger. I'm a sinners saved by his blood. My blood could not say anyone, but because Jesus never sinned, and was born pure (no sin). Only he could pay the price. I owe him so much, but all he ask is that I come to repentance an believe in him not only who he is, but what he did on the cross for me.
I wonder if some of the roman soldiers purposefully held back against some people because they felt romorse and pity for the victims during such barbaric forms of torture.
I just do not understand creating such a cruel instrument unless the intent is an execution. Unlike other whipping instruments it can easily cause deep injuries and even death cutting down to and into muscle tissues. This is way beyond any acceptable form of a punishment for anyone.
Yeah and the other thing that goes whith what you say is why in the world woulda Pilot had Jesus ripped with this if he didn't really wana crusify him? I mean supposedly the jist goes he punished him then hopefully the Jews would be sad and sa na dude we take it back. poor poor Jesus. But say that had happened. Well now what? You've ripped the guy to the bone he's practically half dead. What the hell ya gonna do with him now? I mean could Pilot then have hospitalized him or something? Something doesn't square there. Cause like you said this is something you should do only if you are cirtain you're gonna get rid of the dude. Also I'm not sold too much that they gave him the flagrem like in The Passion of the Christ. Where the guys are swinging like Jesus is their bitter enemy. Like he raped their sister or something. I don't buy that at all.
The Romans used public flogging, and public executions (Crucifixion) to show power, and to keep others from even thinking about committing a crime. The High Priests brought Jesus to Pilate saying to kill Him. Pilate did not want to kill Him. Instead, Pilate had Jesus Flogged, hoping that would solve the problem. If Jesus was released after the flogging, surely He would not be a problem anymore. Jesus' flogging injuries would prevent Him from preaching in the Temple and causing a problem for the High Priests. Pilate took care of the problem, but the High Priests still demanded Jesus to die. Anyone flogged by Romans in those days, would surely die an early death, even if they were not Crucified. There were no hospitals with blood transfusions or the technologies we have today.
Never fails to shock me the cruelty of humans to others. Were worse than animals. Idk why we take such delight in harming each other, whether with words or force or any way at all.
A question commonly asked about scouring is ... why? For a condemned man, torture would seem pointless. But it was both legally required and ( from a certain perspective) practical. The objective was to punish the condemned without killing him, and the Romans were good at it. It hastened the inevitable death on the cross.
We also have historical text that show what the penalty was for treason and how many lashes they usually got and I believe it was around 80 lashes before they crucified him.
@@annalisajohn not glorifying violence. Glorifying the sacrifice of the very Son of God for ignorant, filthy, wretched carcasses. We are fools that require great examples and in our brokenness we still fail
And thats a professors flog, but we have to keep in mind that people who were beating Jesus, were trained soldiers, who did such things regularly. So flogging from them might be much worse.
They were called lictors, professional floggers. Strong sadistic men who didnt care what you did to be there. They just had fun doing it and would taunt you all the way.
Actually, Isiaiah did mentioned the severity. Isaiah 52:14 NASB Just as many were astonished at you, My people, So His appearance was marred more than any man And His form more than the sons of men.
Very informative video. I am not sure why you felt the need to wear your white medical coat and even carry a stethoscope, though. Were you going to see patients at church?!?
If so much damage was done, none of the unfortunate victims of human cruelty would make it to the cross. They would have surely perished from blood loss alone, letting aside the horrible shock which could easily lead to fatal heart failure. So either the blows were fewer - maybe ten or twenty at most - or the whip was less damage inflicting.
History clearly records many died before crucifixion just from the flogging. There are descriptions of bowels coming out of the abdomen etc. So you are correct many didn’t make it because of the severity.
@@everlastingstrength1 I think that the Romans would rather see someone being nailed and die slowly on the cross than killing him by scourging. After all, they also wanted the crowd to watch the crucifixion for obvious reasons. A victim of scourging, bleeding profusely from every part of his body, with exposed bowels, would surely die long before crucifixion. So the scourging HAD TO BE less severe in the case of Jesus and many others who died on the cross.
The horrific appearance of Christ on the cross was a public display of how grotesque sin is to God. But it is almost blasphemous to think that in the garden Christ was cowering from the physical pain he would endure when after him Martyred saints would sing hymns and praise God on their way to the cross. The real torture that Christ endured was being forsaken by the father as He poured out his wrath against the sin of the world on His only perfect son.
SEE. 15.SECRET. TORTURES THAT JESUS ( BY THE BULLS OF BASHAN ! ) ROMANS/ THE WEIGHT OF THE CROSS. CAUSED BY OUR SINS; CUT DEEP UNTO HIS SHOULDER EXPOSING THE BONES ON HIS SHOULDER.
Can't help but notice NKJV lol and says by whose stripes. Lol as if they are trying to make it sound like it's anonymous :/ kjv by his stripes we are healed
Yup bible says a peculiar people. But you know who else are interesting? Evolutionist, they believe are intelligent bodies happened by accident, quite interesting.
@@sonoftheking1977 Not accident, just nature decided what lives what gets eaten. No external force, just the stuff around the animal dictating if it breeds or not.
@@aaronyoung8301 I really don't want to break down the foolishness of evolution especially by typing but what you said makes no sense. Science says universe was a big accident which mathematically is an impossibility. Won't get into it all but there is a God and manifested himself in flesh and died on the cross for your sins that if you believe you'll have everlasting life.
@@sonoftheking1977 It's it sad that a guy in the middle east was horribly flogged, humiliated then executed after being told BY LAW to not say he was the son of God, yet he didn't it anyway because.... reasons? Or are we going with the story that he was sold off for a bag of coins like some slave... then that very guy possible hanged himself or died in some other way. All this song and dance is because of something someone did thousands of years ago and somehow though magic their wrong is transferred to me, thus needing me to follow one of three middle eastern practices to relive me of said wrong... And I'm the one who's making stuff up?
@@aaronyoung8301 never said you were the one making stuff up but you're the only believing in the stuff that was made up because real observable science testifies to it being made up. Dont be mad at me be mad at the "scientist" you put you're trust in. I respect real science by the way not fake science. Not to mention most scientist 51 percent more or less believe in a high power.
You’re copying Mel Gibson’s potc. I’ve spoken with historians of Mediterranean culture. No one could confirm or deny your video. Where did you get your flogging info? Don’t forget Paul was stoned. Beaten and flogged yet persisted for years after. Peter was flogged. So nothing like what this video portrays
Just do some research. The Romans had different ways they beat people. Sometimes they beat them with rods like in Acts 16:22-23 and 2 Cor 11:23-24. It’s a different Greek word than to scourge. The scourging before a crucifixion was different than a beating for punishment. Read Diesmann, Robinson etc. The Roman flagellum like I used is well documented in history. It’s in historical records even on coins. Yes you are correct Peter and Paul did not receive what Jesus did. That’s why they lived and he died.
Dr. Greg Viehman - Everlasting Strength read John granger cooks crucifixion in the Mediterranean. A huge in depth study on the practice. Your rebuttal is unfounded. And only based on scripture. Use historical data please
First of all the scriptures are historical documents. In fact they are the most historically attested ancient documents of all time. Luke has several of these descriptions and has been authenticated many times over. Why are you discounting them? On what basis? Secondly your original argument defeated itself and proved my point that Jesus received something different than Peter and Paul. Finally I leave you with this link to an academic paper on the topic. It answers all of your questions and has more than enough historical references for anyone to be satisfied. It includes pictures archaeology and the original sources. www.shroud.com/pdfs/stlmanservigipaper.pdf. See also Josephus Wars 2.21.5. Lastly even if Jesus didn’t receive such a horrible beating even though Isaiah says he was beaten beyond human recognition who cares? He still rose from the dead and is God! That evidence is overwhelming. He is still your Savior and Savior of the world.
It's hard to imagen that he actually survived it all before his crucifixion. His body must have gone into shock, then after a while all he probably felt was pressure of the wipe hitting him. My wife and I watched The Passion, we couldn't stop crying during that scene, she was so moved by the movie that she became a Christian and brought me closer to Christ. It's amazing how the Holy Spirit works its wonders.
Remember also that the romans where swinging down as they flogging him, they weren't swinging up like in the video and the Roman's where extremely strong. This means those things came down with the force of a freight train.
The pain that is inflicted surpasses anything else
I think the brazen bull would've been worse but yeah still
Singapore caning most likely gives it a run for its money. The caning strokes are carried out by martial arts experts, and the force of the strokes cuts the skin right down to the bone.
@@johnb6723 bullshit. the cane strikes dont even cut you. this would tear your flesh off the bone.
@@namesomega3694
And in medieval Japan they boiled people alive. And in China they cut them slowly to pieces, making sure that they stayed alive as long as possible. Alas, the despicable sadistic cruelty of man, permeates history. The horror.. the horror..
He should have brought in a pig carcass for a biological analog.
I think Hillary was busy that day...
People pay good money for this sort of thing.
William o'brien u r not interested?
@@kelvinaddae5447 KELV YOU ARE THE CRAZIEST OF THE CRAZIES
I'm sure you spend your money on much sillier things.
@@kelvinaddae5447 I spent 100 plus shipping for mine
What Jesus did for us. 😟
❤️❤️
What we do to Our Savior daily
Not that much, considering how many kids die daily all while praying.
@@terreausore2435 say hello to lucifer, he's waiting for you. Or you could change your view and repent. Learn about God and detach from the secular. It's your eternity, it's your decision. I'll pray you
He didn’t do that for us
Had to get through 4 BDSM tutorials and 1 Taliban flogging to find this
Shows what Jesus went through for us. Thanks Doc.
Dr. Greg Viehman.
The whips went around the whole body of Jesus, He could see His bones and intestines.
This is so accurate to what I say in the passion of the Christ, to think he went through this unimaginable suffering for the sins of me and others
Just to know what he went through for us! Wow
@agoodheart what ancestors?
No ancestors compares to what HE went though! “Our ancestors” .... You sound foolish and silly!
Awesome video
Ty Jesus for dying for me
Joe Donahoe makes a superb flagrum
When I saw the movie "The Passion of The Christ" I could not stop the tears to think my Savior Jesus would take my place. He was the only one worthy to pay the price and blood pure that would satisfy God's anger. I'm a sinners saved by his blood. My blood could not say anyone, but because Jesus never sinned, and was born pure (no sin). Only he could pay the price. I owe him so much, but all he ask is that I come to repentance an believe in him not only who he is, but what he did on the cross for me.
Couldn't they obtain a bust made of ballistic gel?
I wonder if some of the roman soldiers purposefully held back against some people because they felt romorse and pity for the victims during such barbaric forms of torture.
I just do not understand creating such a cruel instrument unless the intent is an execution. Unlike other whipping instruments it can easily cause deep injuries and even death cutting down to and into muscle tissues. This is way beyond any acceptable form of a punishment for anyone.
Yeah and the other thing that goes whith what you say is why in the world woulda Pilot had Jesus ripped with this if he didn't really wana crusify him? I mean supposedly the jist goes he punished him then hopefully the Jews would be sad and sa na dude we take it back. poor poor Jesus. But say that had happened. Well now what? You've ripped the guy to the bone he's practically half dead. What the hell ya gonna do with him now? I mean could Pilot then have hospitalized him or something? Something doesn't square there. Cause like you said this is something you should do only if you are cirtain you're gonna get rid of the dude. Also I'm not sold too much that they gave him the flagrem like in The Passion of the Christ. Where the guys are swinging like Jesus is their bitter enemy. Like he raped their sister or something. I don't buy that at all.
The Romans used public flogging, and public executions (Crucifixion) to show power, and to keep others from even thinking about committing a crime. The High Priests brought Jesus to Pilate saying to kill Him. Pilate did not want to kill Him. Instead, Pilate had Jesus Flogged, hoping that would solve the problem. If Jesus was released after the flogging, surely He would not be a problem anymore. Jesus' flogging injuries would prevent Him from preaching in the Temple and causing a problem for the High Priests. Pilate took care of the problem, but the High Priests still demanded Jesus to die. Anyone flogged by Romans in those days, would surely die an early death, even if they were not Crucified. There were no hospitals with blood transfusions or the technologies we have today.
That is the point of that instrument.
What about Pope's Pear?
People where flogged as a punishment, all the way up to the 19th century in Europe.
Never fails to shock me the cruelty of humans to others. Were worse than animals.
Idk why we take such delight in harming each other, whether with words or force or any way at all.
I could only imagine what my ancestors went through in slavery 💔😢🙏🕊with theses whips even after Yahawahsi shed his blood for our iniquity...
He was "killed" by His own people...
They say it's fake! Line em up and start whipping see if the wounds match what's already documented
Sweet Jesus...
A question commonly asked about scouring is ... why? For a condemned man, torture would seem pointless. But it was both legally required and ( from a certain perspective) practical. The objective was to punish the condemned without killing him, and the Romans were good at it. It hastened the inevitable death on the cross.
We have many ancient documents with drawings of the whips. We know what they looked like and what they were made of.
We also have historical text that show what the penalty was for treason and how many lashes they usually got and I believe it was around 80 lashes before they crucified him.
What's the need to glorify violence?
@@annalisajohn how exactly does this glorify violence?
@@annalisajohn not glorifying violence. Glorifying the sacrifice of the very Son of God for ignorant, filthy, wretched carcasses. We are fools that require great examples and in our brokenness we still fail
@@Ryooken Impossible
Why did he stop?
Can't think about suffering this even for the person I love the most... But jesus get for us,,,
Jesus Christ our personal Lord and savior endured fourty stripes on his body for all human sin.🙏🙏✝️✝️💟💟. I do believe in Jesus Christ.
Too bad you had to blurr the sides of the video!
Lol
Got my from eBay.
Well someone seems to know how to Use that whip...
Yes. People usually practice demonstrations before demonstrating.
And thats a professors flog, but we have to keep in mind that people who were beating Jesus, were trained soldiers, who did such things regularly. So flogging from them might be much worse.
They were called lictors, professional floggers. Strong sadistic men who didnt care what you did to be there. They just had fun doing it and would taunt you all the way.
Actually, Isiaiah did mentioned the severity.
Isaiah 52:14 NASB
Just as many were astonished at you, My people, So His appearance was marred more than any man And His form more than the sons of men.
Very informative video. I am not sure why you felt the need to wear your white medical coat and even carry a stethoscope, though. Were you going to see patients at church?!?
it gives him his validation
Where did the Romans get a hold of glass for the whips?
Glassmaking dates back at least 3,600 years.
If so much damage was done, none of the unfortunate victims of human cruelty would make it to the cross. They would have surely perished from blood loss alone, letting aside the horrible shock which could easily lead to fatal heart failure. So either the blows were fewer - maybe ten or twenty at most - or the whip was less damage inflicting.
History clearly records many died before crucifixion just from the flogging. There are descriptions of bowels coming out of the abdomen etc. So you are correct many didn’t make it because of the severity.
@@everlastingstrength1
I think that the Romans would rather see someone being nailed and die slowly on the cross than killing him by scourging. After all, they also wanted the crowd to watch the crucifixion for obvious reasons. A victim of scourging, bleeding profusely from every part of his body, with exposed bowels, would surely die long before crucifixion. So the scourging HAD TO BE less severe in the case of Jesus and many others who died on the cross.
The horrific appearance of Christ on the cross was a public display of how grotesque sin is to God. But it is almost blasphemous to think that in the garden Christ was cowering from the physical pain he would endure when after him Martyred saints would sing hymns and praise God on their way to the cross. The real torture that Christ endured was being forsaken by the father as He poured out his wrath against the sin of the world on His only perfect son.
Please learn to record with your phone horizontal if any public showing is likely.
Pretty sure this is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT unbiased, considering this is in a church, right ? :)
Yes. This is a historical lesson.
SEE. 15.SECRET. TORTURES THAT JESUS
( BY THE BULLS OF BASHAN ! ) ROMANS/
THE WEIGHT OF THE CROSS. CAUSED BY
OUR SINS; CUT DEEP UNTO HIS SHOULDER
EXPOSING THE BONES ON HIS SHOULDER.
Is that a BDSM Toy/dungeon master?
*SPQR*
And then you get fools that mock jesus
The Cube Of Christ
Only 1 person in the world makes them ... what absolute rubbish
Can't help but notice NKJV lol and says by whose stripes. Lol as if they are trying to make it sound like it's anonymous :/ kjv by his stripes we are healed
“Whose” is not the same as “who’s?” Don’t worry they aren’t trying to make the wearer of the stripes anonymous!
Christians are some interesting folks
Yup bible says a peculiar people. But you know who else are interesting? Evolutionist, they believe are intelligent bodies happened by accident, quite interesting.
@@sonoftheking1977
Not accident, just nature decided what lives what gets eaten. No external force, just the stuff around the animal dictating if it breeds or not.
@@aaronyoung8301 I really don't want to break down the foolishness of evolution especially by typing but what you said makes no sense. Science says universe was a big accident which mathematically is an impossibility. Won't get into it all but there is a God and manifested himself in flesh and died on the cross for your sins that if you believe you'll have everlasting life.
@@sonoftheking1977
It's it sad that a guy in the middle east was horribly flogged, humiliated then executed after being told BY LAW to not say he was the son of God, yet he didn't it anyway because.... reasons? Or are we going with the story that he was sold off for a bag of coins like some slave... then that very guy possible hanged himself or died in some other way.
All this song and dance is because of something someone did thousands of years ago and somehow though magic their wrong is transferred to me, thus needing me to follow one of three middle eastern practices to relive me of said wrong...
And I'm the one who's making stuff up?
@@aaronyoung8301 never said you were the one making stuff up but you're the only believing in the stuff that was made up because real observable science testifies to it being made up. Dont be mad at me be mad at the "scientist" you put you're trust in. I respect real science by the way not fake science. Not to mention most scientist 51 percent more or less believe in a high power.
bernie should be tied to the box.
Awww, did little Johnny wake up on the wrong side of the rock?
my g/f now wife loves to be Flogged, it destresses her, no complaints from me..
YOU ARE CRAZY
what is the to teach anyone what a crock of bs ...
You’re copying Mel Gibson’s potc. I’ve spoken with historians of Mediterranean culture. No one could confirm or deny your video. Where did you get your flogging info? Don’t forget Paul was stoned. Beaten and flogged yet persisted for years after. Peter was flogged. So nothing like what this video portrays
Just do some research. The Romans had different ways they beat people. Sometimes they beat them with rods like in Acts 16:22-23 and 2 Cor 11:23-24. It’s a different Greek word than to scourge. The scourging before a crucifixion was different than a beating for punishment. Read Diesmann, Robinson etc. The Roman flagellum like I used is well documented in history. It’s in historical records even on coins. Yes you are correct Peter and Paul did not receive what Jesus did. That’s why they lived and he died.
Dr. Greg Viehman - Everlasting Strength read John granger cooks crucifixion in the Mediterranean. A huge in depth study on the practice. Your rebuttal is unfounded. And only based on scripture. Use historical data please
First of all the scriptures are historical documents. In fact they are the most historically attested ancient documents of all time. Luke has several of these descriptions and has been authenticated many times over. Why are you discounting them? On what basis? Secondly your original argument defeated itself and proved my point that Jesus received something different than Peter and Paul. Finally I leave you with this link to an academic paper on the topic. It answers all of your questions and has more than enough historical references for anyone to be satisfied. It includes pictures archaeology and the original sources. www.shroud.com/pdfs/stlmanservigipaper.pdf.
See also Josephus Wars 2.21.5.
Lastly even if Jesus didn’t receive such a horrible beating even though Isaiah says he was beaten beyond human recognition who cares? He still rose from the dead and is God! That evidence is overwhelming. He is still your Savior and Savior of the world.
Historical fiction. Not historical
That’s what I thought until I examined the evidence. I set out to prove it false. You should read my book. The God Diagnosis. I can send you one