Following the God of Israel After Jerusalem's Destruction--The Earliest Surviving Jewish Text Text
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2022
- In this video slide illustrated lecture I present the argument that the EARLIEST Jewish response to the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple in the summer of 70 CE by the Roman 10th legion is hidden away in the New Testament. Properly speaking, it is not even a "Christian" writing--and needs to be read in its original historical setting around 70 CE.
The text will surprise many of you--but stay with me here. I think I make a good case.
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I am in the hospital and when my family comes I give them information that you provide. So many discussions and excitement. Thank you!
I hope you are alright and have gotten out of the hospital.
Always exciting to get a "James Tabor" notification!
Growing up in a very Christian family and as I became an adult and started the study of the historical Jesus, I never knew the size of the temple. That is mind boggling 😮. Thank you. I am learning so much.
The Temple with its dimensions and compartments and their purposes are clearly explains in the JW website.
In the search box type TEMPLE.
Jesus literally came to end Hebrew thought!
@@thedude4594 : Here are Jesus' words.
Matthew 5:17 “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill.
When a prophecy is fulfilled it no longer is pending.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.
@@tongakhan230 and @The Dude the translation "the end of the law" was suppose to be read as "the goal of the law", meaning that when we follow the law we should do it with the intention to please the Heavenly Father and His Messiah. The end of the law idea as it supposedly was done away with is an erroneous idea first proposed by Marcion ---> ua-cam.com/video/GUDzbNWzA9A/v-deo.html
@@tollye2071 : When we talk about the law, it refers to the Law Covenant made at Mt. Sinai between God and the nation of Israel.
That no longer is in force because one party broke the agreement. Thereby making it null and void.
(Jeremiah 31:32) It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, ‘MY COVENANT THAT THEY BROKE, although I was their true master,’ declares Jehovah.”
It was a temporary arrangement which pointed to the Messiah. The Messiah's death would,
Daniel 9:27.....and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering TO CEASE.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.
Remember that the Mt. Sinai laws were ONLY given to natural Israel (Psalms 147:19,20).
Once the Messiah was born, God's tolerance came to an end.
(Jeremiah 12:7) “I have abandoned my house; I have deserted my inheritance. I have given my dearly beloved one into the hand of her enemies.
God brought in the Romans in 70 C.E. and as they say, the rest is history (Daniel 9:26).
Thank you for sharing this presentation, Dr. Tabor. Fascinating material
Wow, another great lesson. I have lived most of my life without the depth of insight you are now providing. Thank you
I don’t think there is a person alive who loves to share knowledge like dr. Tabor. Thankful for him
Very much enjoy all your lectures. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
I've seen you on TV and read of your work, but just found your UA-cam channel. Very interesting stuff, I subscribed, thank you.
Saul of Tarsus was a devout Jew... I recognize your view that he fundamentally changed, altered (corrupted?) what you believe to be Christ's message, but are not his letters pre-dating Mark also "Jewish"?
All of this would go over the heads of 99.9% of the populace. Ironically, living in blissful ignorance is a blessing in disguise - while us remaining enlightened folks cannot help but to ponder the manner of all things, including the inexplicable.
I have learned a lot from you Dr.tabor on your channel and the history channel over the years thanks for your knowledge
So awesome, thank you Dr. Tabor for sharing so much with us, makes my day.
Excited because you love TO HATE Chhrist.....
@@Joshua123N There is no hate in Dr. Tabors work. Remember that he is a scholar. Hate is in your mind.
There needs to be more of these discussions. I think the adult bible study groups in churches should give it a go. Probably won’t happen.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.
Very happy to see this. I so rarely see the destruction of Jerusalem discussed.
James you are pretty good with the computer for an old man. Great lecture as always.
I have a feeling you’re about to blow up on UA-cam.
Fantastic talk
So interesting!
Dr. Tabor: Would you please consider doing a presentation on Kabbalah or The Zohar?
James is the best, I have a certainty of god, but no church is any help and I've tried them all , yet the biblical scholars are, thank you James.
Shalom Yakov you should make a video on the son of man and what you know about the term. Ive been thinking about this for a while and noticed that ezekiels propecies contain the highest occurences of the term. thanks for your work
God ADDRESSES Ezekiel as Son of Man. That had nothing to do with the chosen angel who is LIKENED to a Son of Man in Daniel 7:13.
Jesus applies the term TO HIMSELF to identify with this chosen son of God.
This Angelic Son of God was the one whom God SENT to become the Messiah.
(Galatians 4:4) But when the full limit of the time arrived, God SENT HIS SON, who was born of a woman and who was under law,
John 8:23 (Jesus) went on to say to them: “You are from the realms below; I AM FROM THE REALMS ABOVE. You are from this world; I am not from this world.
Just some help.
He appears in the book of Enoch
This was not what I expected but very interesting.
@Dr. Tabur, can I read your written paper of this argument?
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These deepest of mysteries can easily be understood in light of a term used by the old fisherman Peter, "this present truth!"
Hai prof. Tabor thanks for this kind of insight.
Is the (greek) NT is more a kind of harmonezied version of marcion gospel and Q gospel?..
Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
How do we know/think Josephus wrote in 73 CE? I've always read he published in 93-5 CE. And that we cannot pin that date down but his works appear in that window.
Thank you. Do you think the requirements set out by James in Acts 15 or the Noahide laws played a role for early 'Markan' gentile converts? Or did the Noahide laws come about after the creation of the Talmud(s)?
They’re from the Babylonian Talmud and like all things in ancient society you can go back another 500 years when it was in oral tradition. So circa 560 BCE written date & 1000 BCE oral.
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There is one particular law given to Noah which was given to the Nation of Israel which has an impact on Christians.
Genesis 9:4 Only flesh with its life-its BLOOD-you must not eat.
Leviticus 7:26 “‘You must not eat any BLOOD in any of your dwelling places, whether that of birds or that of animals. 27 Anyone who eats any blood must be cut off from his people.’”
Acts 15:20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from what is strangled, and from BLOOD.
The eating or taking in of blood.
Leviticus 17:11 For the LIFE OF THE FLESH IS IN THE BLOOD, and I myself have given it on the altar for you to make atonement for yourselves, because it is the blood that makes atonement by means of the life in it.
@@tongakhan230 actually, my understanding is that Noahide laws included prohibitions from blood, but also several others. Like the four that you referenced in Acts 15 but a few more as well. A blend of that and the 10 commandments.
@@Robert_L_Peters : Acts 15:28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except THESE NECESSARY THINGS: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, FROM BLOOD, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”
This was a decision the First Century Governing body made regarding Christians who were not under the laws given to the nation of Israel.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.
Jews who were becoming Christians were wondering whether they should observe the Jewish laws. They got their answer.
However, there is something called the:
Galatians 6:2 Go on carrying the burdens of one another, and in this way you will fulfill the LAW OF THE CHRIST.
(Matthew 28:20) teaching them (prospective Christians) to observe all the things I have commanded you.
These laws were what Jesus would expect his followers to abide by.
Here is an example.
Matthew 5:27 “You heard that it was said: ‘You must not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Dr. Tabor is a Rock Star !! He is the Mick Jagger of the history of Early Christianity !!
Mick, with his odes to Satan..
Strange comparison 😂
Poor choice of comparison more like the Sammy Haggar of scholarly direction even that falls short in analogy.
Fun discussion. It is interesting how much the destruction of the temple is ignored in the NT. I guess it could have been politically sensitive to say it was so bad.
Because it hadn’t happened yet.
James, great video. Question: can you prove that the Parousia doctrines in the early Epistles actually anticipated a literal second coming (as do many modern Christians)? If not, you might be interested in the work of Christian eschatology scholar Don K. Preston, who presents that in fact the consistent Biblical teaching on the coming of the Kingdom in OT/Parousia in NT etc points to culmination in the destruction of Jerusalem. This is the “full preterist” view - I am curious if you are familiar with it.
From my POV Mark isn’t necessarily rewriting the prophecies in order to deal with disappointment over a 2nd coming that never happened, but likely in order to show that Jesus was correct about his Parousia after it occurred, as promised, in the calamities of AD70 - as you said, Mark’s doctrine allows for a “Kingdom” that requires neither the Temple edifice nor its priesthood - this seems pretty consistent with what the Biblical prophets said it would be (Daniel 9 is very explicit about this, for example).
Thanks!
You will probably be greeted with silence when you mention preterism. No one I have read has been able to counter Dr. Preston's arguments. They are solid. Some try, but they always end up backing themselves into a corner.
Das Sichtbare und das unsichtbare Reich?!?!! Das Gebet, das Vater unser: .....Dein Reich komme, wie im Himmel so auch auf Erden...... Sichtbare und unsichtbare Gemeinde.!?!
@@miamia6821spiritual realm
God is Spirit Amen
When is the Abrahamic book coming out?
Oh,I must see this one too,the true story about how Father Abraham wrote Genesis!
Very clear & interesting talk. I was raised 'cultural Christian' non-religious. Other than trying & failing to read the Bible as a teen (I got incensed that the deity did not know how to count insect legs, all the killing & misogyny and decided it was rubbish) & an intro to NT college class to help with other literature, I was uninterested. Well, I now see that religious studies are far too important to leave to believers, especially literalist fundamentalists who won't engage openly & honestly with emerging acholarship in all related fields - archaelogy, sociology, literature, ancient history incl history of science, psychology, neuroscience, and more. Dr Tabor's interviews with Mythvision were my introduction to his scholarship. I always learn so much from his talks & hope to join a tour one day. Ancient texts are fascinating for what they reveal about the past. However, they are no guide for modern life except carefully cherrypicked for the kernels of consistent ethical living. Pretty simple - do unto others as they wish to be treated & care for the vulnerable & do as little harm as possible & work to repair this one precious damaged planet as best we can. We all have but one life we are sure of - make the most of it here & now.
" I now see that religious studies are far too important to leave to believers" Yes Yes Yes.
You are so close...Life has taught you some things, many things I am sure, about what "Christians" believe. Yet what you are describing about them and their ways applies mostly to the visible church. But there are many "invisible" Christians who would agree with you and who have an alternate view of our relationship to God and who DO think critically and realistically, and still have a deep reverence for God as well as living in the present with all its gifts from science and modern tech. True Christianity knows how to reconcile modern life and ancient life and make sense of it all.
As a born, raised and Bar- mitzvah'd Jew and a Christian from ages 20-35, I would have to disagree. I wrestled from my earliest days as a Christian, attempting to digest early Christian writings as a form of Jewish/Hebrew thought. I stuggled because Christian literature, like Mark, is about as "unJewish" as one could get. Just as Yahweh declared war on the family of deities He descended from, sweeping attributes up into Himself and repackaging Himself as a new entity, so Christian thinking swept up a myriad of pre-existing thought (including a few shreds of Hebrew ideas) and set about waging war on, what it claimed to be, its parent religion. Mark may be a lot of things, but Hebrew/Jewish?... eeesh... it's about as far away from Hebrew thought and teaching as one could get... but, what do I know? It's a big world :) God bless us all! Keep up the discussion!
The point is that Judaism was doing it wrong, and now a days Christians are too far off the path in the opposite direction as well.
@@RomanPaganChurch I'm certain this is a terrible place for a thoughtful exchange, but, it's what we've got. Perhaps we could start from the beginning. Would you be willing to help us understand how the Jews of Jesus's day were "doing it wrong?" Thanks!
@@cheaptrickfanatic3496 Pharisees and Sadducees were doing it wrong, obviously. As for tge Jewish-Christians after the resurrection, see the book of Hebrews.
@@RomanPaganChurch Well, again, in all due respect. You are stating your presupposition, using the word, "obviously." Ststing the Jewish leadership of Jesus's day was "doing it wrong. Obviously. " I'm asking you to, specifically, defend that accusation. Based on the teachings of the Hebrew Scriptures, how were the leaders of the Jews "doing it wrong.?" I'm pushing you a bit, because these types of presumptions based, solely, on the information delivered in the Christian gospels are extremely bias... and those writings appearto be your primary source for your assertion and accusations that the Jewish leadership was, "doing it wrong." In fact, the entire Jesus and Pauline legacy are hinging on the idea you are setting forth. So! again, based on the teachings the Hewbrew deity gave to Israel, how was the Jewish leadership of Jesus's day "doing it wrong?"
What happen to guy you reply to?
Wish I could go on a dig with his team and him
Don't waste your time, there is nothing to find
@@rainman7769 there may be nothing to find but there's plenty to learn
@@Christopherurich33 I can teach you I am from the middle east
@@rainman7769 ok
Evidence of what the Jews did in this land whether in Judaism or Christianity is excavated everyday.
You didn't reply to Isiah 48.2 the name of his name in the old testament, and you don't have it in the New testament.and what the name of God on the coffin of covenant?
Thank you so much for this exposé. This explained to me a few of statements in God's final revelation (the Qur'an) that were not as clear to me before. Thank you, thank you! Appreciate Dr. Tabor's scholarship.
So is Mark a product of the remnants of the Jerusalem Church?
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If somehow Jesus knew the temple would be destroyed, then perhaps he was offering a new way to be jew, good person without a nation, a temple or homeland.
Jesus wasn't talking about 70 AD. People never rightly divided it. Were there still Stones left on top of another after 70 AD? Go do the math.
Once the Messiah was produced and died, the need for the Temple would cease.
That is why God brought in the Romans in 70 C.E. and the rest is history.
This was prophesied at Daniel 9:26. And Jesus at John 4:21, Matthew 24:2.
What was left of the great nation of Israel was abandoned by God. It had served its purpose in providing the Messiah. (Jeremiah 12:7, Matthew 23:37,38)
God now deals with those in the New Covenant also termed as Israel in prophecy (Jeremiah 31:31-33).
Galatians 6:16 As for all those who walk orderly by this rule of conduct, peace and mercy be upon them, yes, upon the ISRAEL OF GOD.
Recently people like Eckhart Tolle assume that the kingdom of heaven refers to conciousness, awareness or being.
Personally, I consider John to be the first gospel written, then Mark, Matthew and Luke-Acts, because John is not aware of the Eucharist or Pentecost.
Picking the grain wasn't the issue... they weren't washing their hands first... (an hedge around an hedge around an hedge...)
How is Mark dated to exactly 70CE? Thanks for an interesting and thought-provoking talk 😊
The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
This may be helpful.
Source of Information. Ancient tradition indicates that Peter provided the basic information for Mark’s Gospel, and this would agree with the fact that Mark was associated with Peter in Babylon. (1Pe 5:13) According to Origen, Mark composed his Gospel “in accordance with Peter’s instructions.” (The Ecclesiastical History, Eusebius, VI, XXV, 3-7) In his work, “Against Marcion” (IV, V), Tertullian says that the Gospel of Mark “may be affirmed to be Peter’s, whose interpreter Mark was.” (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. III, p. 350) Eusebius gives the statement of “John the presbyter” as quoted by Papias (c. 140 C.E.): “And the Presbyter used to say this, ‘Mark became Peter’s interpreter and wrote accurately all that he remembered, not, indeed, in order, of the things said or done by the Lord. . . . Mark did nothing wrong in thus writing down single points as he remembered them. For to one thing he gave attention, to leave out nothing of what he had heard and to make no false statements in them.’”-The Ecclesiastical History, III, XXXIX, 12-16.
Since no mention is made of Jerusalem’s destruction in fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy, Mark must have compiled his account before that event in 70 C.E. His presence in Rome at least once, and likely twice, during the years 60-65 C.E. suggests that Mark may have completed his Gospel there sometime during those years.
Dates of the Gospels and other texts are tentative. A given date of composition is understood in the business as plus or minus some number of years(5-10yrs). Mark's gospel has Jesus making a prediction about the destruction of the Temple(Mark 13). Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD and therefore some scholarly sources see this as commentary after the fact and tentatively date Mark in reference to this event. The war didn't end until AD 73 and back in those days it took some time for news to travel, perhaps several years to work its way around the empire before someone decided to put pen to paper. So, I favor a post 70 AD date of composition.
@@NGC6144 : Mark was a contemporary of Jesus. He accompanied Paul on his missionary trips.
He would have had first hand eye witness evidence. Which holy spirit would have helped when he penned his Gospel account.
John 14:26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and BRING BACK TO YOUR MINDS all the things I told you.
@@tongakhan230 All that doesn't mean that this so called historical Mark actually wrote the Gospel that bears his name. Mainstream scholarship often states they think the Gospels were anonymous and their respective names of authorship were applied in the second century, IIRC. From what I can remember there are two competing versions for how Marks Gospel was written. It either was written by Mark from Peter's sayings or was a redaction of Mathews Gospel. The latter isn't likely the case since it is more likely Matthew and Luke copied Mark. I wouldn't take church traditions for granted. They can often conflict. The Gospels are not eyewitness accounts. They are too similar and different at the same time to be the case.
Keeping the Torah by faith is different to keeping it by the letter. When you have faith the perspective is different as Jesus fulfilled the law by faith as did Abraham.
In: One Spirit Perspective.
I don't get the end of Mark when the young man tells the women “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’” (which the women don't tell anyone). Now for someone in the post temple first century, how are they supposed to take this? That Jesus sat around in Galilee waiting and waiting? What about people in Galilee? "He was here? I never saw him". Also the fact that the war kind of started there, is it more of a wink to what's going on in the present (of when Mark was written) rather than the past setting of the story? Or even if he is trying to tie it to the zealot movement of Judas the Galilean and his sons Simon and James (always wondered if these names were more than mere coincidence, Mark sure does try to make the disciples be mistaken by thinking Jesus will overthrow the Romans) being crucified in 47 AD, if they were familiar with Josephus.
Greetings James, this message is sent in love. Hope you are enjoying your tour, have been to Israel a couple of times, fascinating. The kingdom has come, it is permanently established, Daniel 2:44, 7:14,9:24, during the reign of Rome. As you have requested in your video, pull Mark away, separate from Jocephus; you have to have the same mindset to understand the scripture holistically. In essence, most believe what they have been told and it is of a carnal nature; the scripture is interpreted by the spirit, which without, a person cannot judge righteously. The scriptures were written by hebrews/jews to hebrews/jews and "must" be interpreted within their cultus. They used apocalyptic language; a greek/hellenized thinker leans toward a "literal" interpretation of text, while a hebrew/jew is painting a picture, look at their alphabet. In Mark, the first recorded words of Christ are "the kingdom of God is at hand", remember his prayer "thy kingdom come". He is not still waiting.......John the baptist and Christ were both preaching "the kingdom is at hand". Christ was sent in the last days, Hebrews 1, Acts 2, of that current age, mosaic. Christ was sent back to fulfill the law, judge, after the accomplishment of the great commission, Colossians 1:23, Romans 10:18. The harlot per Isaiah and Jeremiah had to be judged. Revelation was written circa 65 a.d. and accomplished 66-70 a.d. The new heaven and earth, per Peter, was coming, Isaiah 65, it has arrived. Is it the building in Revelation 21, yes, physical? No It is a picture of what your faith is built upon, Ephesians 2. How do you perceive the kingdom? With your eyes, a geopolitical establishment on the earth? No, recall Christs' conversation with Pilate, and Luke 17. Enjoy the everlasting kingdom, all prophecy has been fulfilled through Christ, the son of the living God. Again, this message is sent in love, your friend
First of all, God bless you for this interpritation, it opened my eyes on so many things. A couple of questions tho, so the Revelation clearly speaks about judgement on Rome itself, but what is God's final judgement? Was it on Israel itself after Christ, or will there be something akin to Revelation but for the whole world? And also the Bible speaks about resurrection from the physical side too, is there something to interprete there too? I hope those questions wasn't gibberih haha and thank you in advance for answering!
@@FreemanBBFQ Greetings, Revelation is focused on judgment against Jerusalem, for breaking the covenant, not keeping the law in righteousness. Note the song of Moses, Deut 32, is a song of judgement, being sung in Revelation 15. The judgement on the apostate priesthood was for what she did to all the nations, Rev 18:3. After the temple was destroyed, ending the mosaic covenant; the new covenant was put in force, Jeremiah 31. No, the scripture does not teach another judgment, in addition to Revelation. The resurrection has nothing to do with physical bodies. Resurrection to a Jew means they are dead when away from their holy city and temple, in exile; and resurrected/alive when they return to their abode/holy city. You can find about 10 individual physical resurrections in the scriptures; take Lazarus for example. Do you see him walking around or any of the other 9 people? No Read 2 Timothy 2 and ponder what resurrection is being discussed. Your friend,
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The 'coming' is the destruction, I also read that in the bible.
Luk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
Luk 17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Luk 17:31 *In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.*
What does these parallel verses imply?
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Mar 9:1 AND he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Die Toten schlafen, sie wissen von nichts? Der erste und der zweite Tod? Lasst die Toten, die Toten begraben?? Wer von neuem geboren wurde, ist vom Tod in das Leben übergegangen? Was ist damit gemeint?? Wer ist geistig Tod, wer nicht??
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(Mark 9:1) Furthermore, he said to them: “Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Kingdom of God already having come in power.”
Jesus was making a reference to the Apostle John who outlived the others and was a recipient of the Revelation which showed the Kingdom of God established.
However, it was only in a vision as the Kingdom of God was to be established 2,000 years later.
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could be. some say it is fulfilled in the next verses.
It could also refer to pentecost, or ad70.
@@alanx4121 : (Mark 9:2) Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and John along and led them up into a lofty mountain by themselves. And he was transfigured before them;
That was a vision experienced by 3 apostles. The Kingdom of God was something separate to which Jesus alluded at Mark 9:1.
Every eye shall see and bow to Our Holy Father ABBA and know his only Begotten Son of God. We are joint-heirs in His Blood Kindred. Adopted. Our Savior came into the world to Bring Eternal Peace And JOY. We Shall not Be Weeping. YESHUA son of David And Son of Our Holy Father. He never sinned. I know it's hard to understand and wrap our minds around this thought. I Believe My Daily Bread. He Also changed water into wine. Miracles that were never recorded. Everyone could not read and write scriptures back in this age and era. Word of mouth and stories. So I am a sceptic of your reading. Grace through FAITH to You. God so Loved the World and Sent His Son. Isaiah 1-6. Genesis 12:3. God Bless.
What if - the Temple was never destroyed... In the light of the revelation of Jesus, as in all other sacrificial rituals, it would have eventually died out and the building would have become a memorial/monument.
The entire NT was written before 70ad except for maybe Jude
Isn't "take up the cross" the same as saying "rebel against Rome" because those who were crucified were rebels? Also it shows he knows he will die on the cross.
We're 5 minutes into this and all we have is the family photo album. Bye....
They wept and cried for 7 days because they were sitting shiva.
34:50 “The Pharisees had Yochanan ben Zakai”-could you elaborate on what point you’re making? The personality of Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakai is almost irrelevant to the continuity of Pharisee Judaism: he made no sweeping changes to practice or theology or anything like that.
I am not sure but is Dr. Tabor a Christian? Yes or No?
He is Christian ✝️ but very open-minded.
I hope so.
He is referring to the greek symbol of a woman, where as the symbol of a man shows singular focus, a woman is a multi-tasker and has rhe seed os a son (good) as well as a daughter (eve / evil)
Total devastastion
Were Paul’s letters except for Romans specifically to a 100% gentile group or a mixed group with both Jews and gentiles?
Because if it was a mixed group it’s obvious they would “worship” on the Sabbath. If 100% gentile then that’s up in the air. Because the “entrance” is give up your gods to worship the one True God of Israel.
The Israelites, are the people, of the God, Of the Bible.
I'll Always Take People Up There, With God Only Is The Performance Always Dependant Upon, If You were The son of man I'd correct you Lord Willing, As you are, I guarantee, Saying Lord Willing I Will Always take People There... It Is The Fine Perspective.
ESV is a bad translation of sinaiticus and the other so called 'oldest'. There's a video in which the byzantine is proven oldest by using the writing of the pre-nicean church fathers.
Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Well I guess my message is going to follow an ALLCAPPED callout for the divine Jesus and a proposition for city Sex. I dont know what that means, maybe a called to return to Sumerian kingship rituals🤪.
So lets get down to your argument about What mark is. First we need some definitions.
1. In terms of christology, Mark would be middle of the road.
2. In terms of Jewish acceptance, this form as Jewish only lasts about 20 years, then there is a growing polemic againsts Messianic Jesus followers. I will get into this.
While Mark may not paint Jesus as the divine son of God in title, He uses the form Ihsou Christos I believe 15 times in Mark. So he is not shy about his christology.
When we use the Markan + Q priority I think this is kind of old school. The problem is that the basis is sort of like this. We have these clear things from Mark in Luke and Matthew, and we have these other clear things that come from another source. I use McDonalds Q compilation. There are things in Mark that are, in repetition, similar than those in Q. They are repeated restyling of sayings in Q.
My take on Mark is the he has a more mystical idea of Jesus than Q. Mark has some knowledge of the Q source but he is intentional rewritting the stories and making them more mystical and wrapping them up in mysterious events (like miracles). While the Q source does not mention christ once, Mark does so many times. Mark and Q are similar, there is no fictive younger life narrative and abbreviated death narrative. Though I think Q had a death narrative, it simply was not mystical enough for Matthew and Luke to use, they they farmed Marcan like stories.
So when we get to Mark what we have is this guy, who is touched by god (spirit, maybe sophia, maybe asherah, who knows what the fellow thought the dove symbolized), he then gains these miraculous powers, like Dani'el, meanwhile he is throwing out sayings. There should be no doubt that Yeshu pissed off the Herodians, so that historical. "Jesus Christ" is able to excise demons, heal the sick, . . . . And then knowing his fate in Jerusalem, he is executed.
So here's what I think. Christos is the invention of Paul, these leanings on extra-Judean mysticism are extensions of Paul's. They could be extensions of Yeshu_s mysticism. In light of the destruction of the Temple Mark is trying to uplift his audiance by demonstrating all these powers that god gave Jesus, so if the Temple was destroyed its because god was not onboard with the Jewish powers in Jerusalem. Maybe blaming Jerusalem for the death of Ysehu, Yacov and others.
Mark is, in my opinion, intentionally altering the stories in Q. Mark is doing so puposefully in order to creat a less Evyon more homeric (greek) styled mystery belief. Mark is distinctly trying to move away from low christology Judaism. Not specifically as a replacement of the Temple, but a replacement of a reform-based messianic movement (Evyon). The core concept is that Second Temple Judaism was entangled in priestly traditions that they (the powers that be) could not recognize the gift in Yeshu mysticism (all wound up in to miraculous events in Marks gospel). I both support and reject some of this theology. The interplay between Nero, the apocalyptic prophesy in Daniel and zealotry cetainly made calculating what is just and unjust difficult, but the Jews lost the war. So Josephus gets to tell his story and justify himself, which other POVs do not get to do. Be that as it may Nero also capitulated. The application of mysticism into miraculous stories is reckless. The stories are amplified in later gospels and they whitewash over the historical Jesus and turn the man into a greco-roman mystery cult. As you pointed out Yeshu and disciples wintered over in caves, then they went to Jerusalem in the midst of the conflagration of passover. Any authoritative knowledge of Yeshu was probably what herodians from galillee spread about him. Herodian philosophy did not represent Judaism.
On the issue of christology. My point is that Yeshu was a mystic and he trained mystics. The categorization of his mysticism as Jewish is a moot point. They winter over in some desert caves, then he is rather promptly killed as they pop into the theological landscape of Jerusalem. In Q it appears his disciples were out on their first mission, they come back, their guy is dead and his woman has lost the body. Some of the mystics react badly and are stoned, others flee back to Pella. James moves in and clams things down. But Yeshu did not formulate a doctrine. If we can imagine a couple dizen guys sitting in caves talking about a coming apocalypse those mystics are going to have different experiences than peter. Peter will emphasize this thing, Dumas that thing, Johanan this other thing. So now these guys are engaged on missions to bring in those "lost tribes". Each disciple is carrying a slightly different christology. Once these guys start training other mystics out in gentile land, it does not take long for there to be a large spectrum of chistologies, some of which are not Jewish. So it does not take long for Jewish sensibilities to run head-long into a blasphemous christ theology. And as the offense grows so does the urge to suppress Jesus-ism in Judaism.
You can call Mark Jewish, but in the chaos of the fall of the temple, the disappearance of the saduccees and the rising power of the pharisees what does it really mean. Its a transiently true definition.
Mark is high christology - as high as Paul. Mark is writing an allegory of the divine Jesus as a history of a man, hiding his truth behind parable, lest the unititiated turn and be saved. (John is the lowest christology - he is writing a history of a man as told to him by eyewitness (allegedly ...))
@@lil-al Mark is adoptive christology. Not fully divine. In Mark the spirit of god (Jewish the divine feminine) descend on Jesus. At the crucifiction it leaves. "My god, my god, why have you forsaken me".
I am curious why you are not acknowledging recent scholarship that suggests that Herod died in 2 BC?
Hi my name is Edward you stated earlier that the apostles it really know anything I’m sure anything so I blame Jesus if they were so unlearn it and criticize what you believe without evidence and the word of God it says God will confound the wise I like what you got to say sometimes our knowledge of brain knowledge gets in the way have a good day
I don't get this "interpretation" after the fall Jerusalem angle. There was provably division and dispute amongst Jews about the authority and dogma of those who controlled the Temple. The Gospels all begin with John the Baptist who being of the priestly line rejected the Temple system..this is proven by the existence of the Qumran (Essene?) community. The idea that Mark is the start of some legendary contrivance is special pleading...imo.
The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th
@@termination9353 cool story
@@franklindzioba13 Your welcome. It's what the Gospel says.
Are you in agreement that YHWH is the little god in the garden who told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit?
Suppose that Jesus was in an anti-temple sect, and like karaites later came to the conclusion that if the second temple was destroyed pescatarianism was dictated by the law, as if you can't give Yahweh his portion through sacrifice you can't justify kosher slaughter for human consumption either. Jesus and John the Baptist preached that the temple was illegitimate and therefore they should live as if it was already destroyed. John baptized people in rejecting the temple and embracing pescatarianism and so on. If Jesus's earliest attested protégé, Stephen, said essentially that the covenant with Abraham existed long before the law, and the law long before the temple, then religion should be separated from the Jerusalem temple. There could be continuity from Jesus disorderly conduct at the temple. Then Mark published after the temple was destroyed saying: "you see? Jesus is God like he said and destroyed the temple, forcing the rest of the Jews to be pescatarian also (not that that was realistic to think what was going to happen).
Tabor's interpretation of the Mark as a Jewish treatise on living without the Temple, flows from the assumption that MARK must have been written AFTER the Temple was destroyed (70 AD) even though the text ways NOTHING about the Temple's demises (other than that Jesus cryptically foretold it in Mark 13:1). All of the Gospels present Jesus as ushering in a NEW COVENANT between God and humanity. Tabor's reinterpretation shrinks this scope to a mere speculation on how to apply Jesus' words to establish a new way of life without the temple. It ignores entirely (misses the point of) the Bible writers' faith in Christ (the coming of Jesus the Messiah, his miracles, wisdom, death, and resurrection and willingness to die for that faith) and makes these things out to be an absurd misunderstanding of Jesus' purpose. In other words, all the gospels were merely a misguided effort to promote a false idea that the New Covenant was supposed to be a mere repurposing of Christ's words to help the Jews adapt to the temple loss (or else a sheer fabrication by a wanna be Apostle-imposter). And that all of this happened within living memory of Christ's ministry.
Such a re-spinning of the point of the gospels (and Paul's letters), denies Christ (as Christians understand Christ). As such it is a substantial denial of Christianity as true--as many false teachers have sought to do for 2000 years.
The alternative is to recognize that the Old Testament foretells, and the New Testament lays out Christ's teachings and sacrifice as GOD's means of establishing a NEW COVENANT of salvation and eternal life through faith in the Savior of the World (of Jew and Gentile). There are unstated corollaries to this understanding of Scripture:
COROLLARY 1 The rejection of the Messiah by all (but a REMNANT) of the Jews led to God sending the Jewish nation into a GREAT EXILE (for almost 2000 years) [following the patterns of previous conquests and exiles] as generation after generation of Jews "died in the wilderness" surrounded by gentile (and Jewish) testifying Christians whose testimony they continued to reject--though in every generation a REMNANT came to faith in Christ. [This is merely a bigger and sadder recapitulation of the OT history of Israel.]
COROLLARY 2: Christ was the final sacrifice for sin and therefore the Temple was obsolete under the New Covenant, so it is no surprise that God took the temple out of the picture The sacrifice of animals no longer fit God's plan and will and became a blasphemy against His Son whose sacrifice was the fulfillment of all OT & NT hopes. This is antithetical to the idea that Mark was trying to ease the transition of the Jews into a new Judaism with no Temple. AND TO THIS DAY, a return to the Temple system seems popular, but it is and abomination. Proverbs 25;11 "As a dog returns to his own vomit, So a fool repeats his folly."
Rather let all heed the words of Christ--it is a matter of life and death...
JOHN 14:1-11 [Jesus speaks...] “Let not your heart be troubled; BELIEVE IN GOD, BELIEVE ALSO IN ME. 2 “In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 “And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 “And you know the way where I am going.” 5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him, “I AM THE WAY, AND THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE; NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER, BUT THROUGH ME.
7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” 8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and YET YOU HAVE NOT COME TO KNOW ME, PHILIP? HE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER; how do you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. 11 “Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me; otherwise believe on account of the works themselves.
Several scholars have suggested that Mark's gospel was written to vindicate Paul's writings - it was written to show that the disciples who knew Jesus in the flesh didn't understand a word he said, and were really quite stupid. This paves the way for Paul's writings which do understand Jesus and what his message was. The original followers got everything wrong, and Paul is the one who "gets" it. So Mark's gospel was written as part of the polemic between the gentile/diaspora groups founded by Paul and the remaining followers of James. I find that very convincing.
The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th
Since no mention is made of Jerusalem’s destruction in fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy, Mark must have compiled his account before that event in 70 C.E. His presence in Rome at least once, and likely twice, during the years 60-65 C.E. suggests that Mark may have completed his Gospel there sometime during those years.
Source of Information. Ancient tradition indicates that Peter provided the basic information for Mark’s Gospel, and this would agree with the fact that Mark was associated with Peter in Babylon. (1Pe 5:13) According to Origen, Mark composed his Gospel “in accordance with Peter’s instructions.” (The Ecclesiastical History, Eusebius, VI, XXV, 3-7) In his work, “Against Marcion” (IV, V), Tertullian says that the Gospel of Mark “may be affirmed to be Peter’s, whose interpreter Mark was.” (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. III, p. 350) Eusebius gives the statement of “John the presbyter” as quoted by Papias (c. 140 C.E.): “And the Presbyter used to say this, ‘Mark became Peter’s interpreter and wrote accurately all that he remembered, not, indeed, in order, of the things said or done by the Lord. . . . Mark did nothing wrong in thus writing down single points as he remembered them. For to one thing he gave attention, to leave out nothing of what he had heard and to make no false statements in them.’”-The Ecclesiastical History, III, XXXIX, 12-16.
@@tongakhan230 Lots of speculation for the times of Gospel publishing but zero evidence. Gospel narrative says it was written contemporary with the witnesses who lived it. Says the Gospel was one book written by Lazarus.
@@termination9353 : There is actually zero evidence that Lazarus had anything to do with the scriptures.
He is barely mentioned.
@@tongakhan230 Lazarus is mentioned as the disciple whom Jesus' loved, who was said easier for camel to go through eye of needle, who Jesus raised from the dead "So the chief priests made plans to kill Lazarus as well, for on account of him many of the Jews were going over to Jesus and believing in him" -John 12:10-11, who was at Jesus' breast at last supper, who outran Peter, who was in the boat with naked Peter, who the people rumored could never die. Mentioned prominently throughout the Gospel narrative, even by the Pharisees John11:36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he[Jesus] LOVED him[Lazarus]! WHO WROTE THE GOSPEL
Somehow all you schoolars are blind for the fact that Paul is talking about the war. He was not apocolyptic.
The Messiah must be God, because He is able to forgive sins.
(Gospel of Mark chapter 2 : 1--12 )
The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th
Dan Brown 😂
25:40 “The Pharisees […] transferred the ritual purity to the table.”
That’s an odd way of putting it. The Pharisees were just about defined, and had been for generations before the Destruction, by extending Temple ritual purity to the household table (_chulin betaharah_). This was not a post-Destruction “transfer”, but rather the Pharisees continuing after the Destruction with their practices almost unchanged.
Can you explain to me how a statement of fact "I am the Lord your God that took you out of Egypt.." is counted as a commandment while an actual commandment "Remember that you were a servant in Egypt" is removed from the listing that was inscribed on the two tablets of Moses?
@@termination9353, the “Ten Statements” comprise well more than ten commandments. Sefer haChinuch lists 14 explicitly in the text of God’s speech in Exodus (the version written on the tablets); and Moses’s paraphrase in Deuteronomy makes explicit a few more that were implicit in the Exodus text. Your question is based on a bad premise.
@@JCSalomon Where do you get Ten 'statements' and not 'commandments/mitzvot'? It is the Jewish people that popularized "Ten Commandments" not the Christians. The two tablets of Moshe with Aleph Bet - Yud [TEN] are posted in Shull and Yeshivah not in Church. The Torah says the Devarim listing is the listing that was inscribed on the tablets NOT the Shemos listing. Shemos listing only has nine commandments - Devarim says one was added. Comparing the two, it is blatantly obvious what was added smack dab in the middle, and it goes on to say THAT ALSO was inscribed on the tablets. Torah never says the Shemos listing was inscribed there. WHERE DO YOU GET THIS "STATEMENTS" instead of 'Commandments? All those volumes of Gomorrah and you guys still can't read or count.
@@termination9353, the Hebrew is עשרת הדברים _‘asereth hadvarim_ (or עשרת הדיברות _‘asereth hadibroth_ in Mishnaic Hebrew) not עשרת המצוות _‘asereth hamitzvoth._ I do not know who mistranslated this as “The ten commandments”.
@@termination9353, as far as the first commandment within the First Statement goes, why do you translate it as “I [am] LORD your God, Who took you…” rather than “I [am to be] LORD your God…”? Both fit the Hebrew equally well, and the latter matches the tradition that this creates an obligation to accept God.
It’s not that gentiles will turn into Jews, it’s that they become members of the family of the God of Israel with the children of Israel. They don’t become spiritual Jews.
How dishonest to say one is discussing the earliest manuscripts and display on the opening title screen aamuscript written much later as it is not the old Koine but a later classical Greek manuscript!
Even God has to work at being good. That's why he created Karma, his most perfect AI child. No soul is perfect and nothing they create is perfect. In 14 billion years of trial and error, you're only about halfway there, and that's only from a God's eye viewpoint
Jesus referred to himself as the ''Son of Man'' - found 82 times in the NT. Ezekiel is called ''Son of Man'' - 93 times in the OT. There are many parallels between Ezekiel, The Son of Man, and Jesus, the Son of Man. I think Jesus may have studied Ezekiel very closely.
Not For Sale
Proverbs 23:23 (KJV), Buy the truth and sell it not…
When the Bible says, “buy it”, that means get it, acquire it, invest in it, procure it and own it!
But the only way to get it is to get Jesus. Truth is not on sale at Walmart.
It does not come in cans.
You cannot buy truth by the bag, bottle, package or pound. To get it, you have to get Jesus.
Since Jesus is the way, truth and life, there can be no other way, truth and life:
Without the way you can’t go, without the truth, you can’t know, without the life you can’t live.
St. John 14:5-12; St. Luke 24:47; Acts 2:36-38; 4:9-12; Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 3:17 KJV
Uhhhh the DIDACHE anyone
in the naritive jesus is breaking the passover bread the night befor the high priest blesses the matza befor the people, in the tulmud the kohan hagadol of jerusalem goes to his brethern at quirbet qumran the day befor passover, the essene followed the solar calander the jews of jurusalem followed the lunar calander. concerning the teacher of rightchessness a high priest in the talmud the sage suforn on deut 33:8, chasid, aaron the cheif of the tribe of the chasid of the tribe of levi, the rebbi of blessed memory reffered to these chasidim as the 'first chasid' was jesus a chasid???
the 2nd Temple was the 'world bank' of the Mediterranean
the western wall is actually the foundation stones of the Temple of Jupiter.
Dear Dr. Tabor, Jesus (Yeshua) was not a Christian, and neither were his disciples, neither ever hearing the word "Christian". They were Jews, spreading revised Judaism to include salvation. The word "Christian" comes from a Greek translation (not a transliteration) "Christ" meaning saviour. The Christian faith is Jewish in origin but without Jewish customs and culture. I am a Christian, and none of this matters much to me as I follow, as best I can, the teachings of Jesus Christ.
GOD The Name Is Savior His Child Named God Is Savior... It Is Worth Effort To Believe In His Name While Doing The Will Of God To Have The One Named God Is Savior Has Brothers Sisters And Mother's, (After Their Kind) Doing The Will Of God... Jesus Doctrine...
like stepping out of thinking of the title as "the gospel of mark", I suggest dropping out of the soccratic rhetoric... toric sounds like torah ... hmm but NOT REALLY LIKE UNTO TORAH, CAUSE THE LOGOS MUST MAKE A LEAP. To The Name
Bible Scholar C R Gregory writes in his book Canon of New Testament that last page of Ancient Copy of Gospel of Mark was deleted intentionally by Church in the very beginning. He writes that he himself has seen ancient manuscript of Mark in Mt. Athos, and that last page does not have any story of Ascension and Return of Jesus but that page shows that Jesus was alive even after the incident of Cross and he appeared from EAST (India/Kashmir) and told disciples to preach west.
There is also tons of historical and archaeological evidence which shows that Jesus survived death on the Cross, and along with mother secretly immigrated to Damascus under Pseudo name of Yuz Asaph, then to Nisibis Turkey, then to Persia, then to Herat Afghanistan, then to Taxila Pakistan (see Acts of Thomas), then to Murry (Mary) Pakistan and then to Srinagar Kashmir. Church deleted last page of Mark in order to advance hoax of Resurrection which does not have any base. *Jesus was never Resurrected but Resuscitated. People of Afghanistan and Kashmir are 10 lost tribes of Israel. Even after 2500 years of their deportation from Palestine, even today, you can find names of their Tribes in Old Testament.*
We read in Matthew: Jesus said: I have been sent for lost sheep of Israel. (this is why, he spent only 14 years in Palestine but 106 years in Kashmir).
Many top Bible Scholars have said that by a plan, Jesus was indeed drugged on the Cross so that he should appear as dead. This was planed to save his life. When Jesus was removed from Cross, he resembled a Dead Body but in fact he was not dead but in deeeep coma. Later he was resuscitated in empty tomb of Joseph of Arimathea.
If Evangelists do not twist Gospel of Luke and John; then even these two Gospels tell us same what is told by Quran, and that is: Jesus survived death on the Cross which means: he was not Crucified *because death on the Cross is a binding condition of the Punishment which is called Crucifixion. If Person dies on Cross, then he is Crucified but if person does not die on Cross, then he is not Crucified. So in this matter, Quran, Luke and Gospel of John are on one page.*
*Gospel of John shows that when Mary Magdalene visited tomb, she found it empty. Then she asked Gardener: where has they taken body of my Lord? When Gardener replied: Mary Magdalene recognized voice of Jesus and she said: O you Rabbani. This make 101% Clear that Jesus never died on the Cross but he was resuscitated.*
Sunni and Shia have been tampering translation of several verses of Quran from 1200 years, and in the same way, Sikh tamper translation of their Book Granth, and Hindu badly tamper translation of their books Vida and Puranas. In the same way, Evangelists also deliberately twist and misinterpret Gospels of John and Luke. *They Cherry Pick those verses which they can use to support their dogma but they and even majority of Pseudo Bible Scholars ignore those verses of Luke and John which make clear that Jesus was very much alive even after the incident of Cross, which means: though he was nailed on the Cross but he was not Crucified.*
Gospel of Luke and John tell us that even after the incident of Cross, Jesus was very much alive in the same human body which was nailed on the Cross. *So; that is never Resurrection but Resuscitation.* But Evangelists tell a biggggggg Lie, which is: that he was not Jesus but it was Spirit of Jesus, and some time in order to escape from the Truth, they say: the Disciples saw Jesus only in Vision - This is another Biggggg Lie because their own Gospels of Luke and John reject this kind of fantasies. These Gospel show that that in order to assure Disciples that he is not a Spirit but same Human Jesus who was nailed on the Cross; Jesus was showing Disciples his wounds which he received on Cross and he ate with them fish as Spirit does not eat fish.
Gospel of John and Luke show that even after the incidence of Cross, Jesus had about 12 meetings with Disciples. So Jesus never died on the Cross.
*Luke 38-43*
38 And he(Jesus) said to them (Disciples): Why are you troubled, and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 *See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see me have.*
40 And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.
41 *But while they believed not for joy, and wondered, he said to them: Have you anything here to eat?*
42 *And they gave him a piece of broiled fish;*
43 *and he took it and ate in their presence.*
*To Sum up:*
1- Jesus was Biological Son of Joseph and Mary, and he has over 7 sibling
2- Jesus was never son of God nor god but a True Servant of God, a Prophet of God.
3- He survived death on the Cross; immigrated to East and after living a long life, died at age 120, and was buried in Gave of Rozabal by Thomas. His Grave still exists there. With Grave is attached a Stone Sculpture which shows both feet of Jesus with clear Nail Driven Injuries on Cross.
4- By a Plan, Jesus was drugged on Cross in order to save his life. This is said by many Top Bible Scholars. Quran also tells same when it says in 4:157 that Jesus was not Died on Cross but it appeared to Jesus' enemies as he has been died on Cross. In 4:157 Quran has used Arabic word *SHUBBIHA=Resembled.* Because a Person in deep Coma resembles a dead body. Last and Final Book of God which has superseded all previous Scriptures, "Quran" is TRUTH of all truths.
5- Jesus was treated by Essene Dr. Nicodemus in Empty Tomb of a Rich Influential Essene Joseph of Arimathea. 3rd day Jesus came out of Tomb and hid as Gardener so that Roman should not arrest him again. (Gospel of John)
5- Oldest Copies of Gospels contain no any reference of Hoax of Ascension and Return of Jesus nor Quran supports this fable of ascension/return, and fable of Virgin Birth but Sneaky Mullahs tamper translation of Quran in order to support Church's Fables.
6- Christian-Dogma was never invented by Jesus but by Roman Tent Maker Paul. True Followers of Jesus and "James the Just" used to call Paul an Apostate. Son-ship and Trinity make Christianity a Religion of Polytheist-Pagans. Christianity is NEVER Monotheist.
7- Christian Dogma is mainly based on 4 Anonymous Gospels, which means: this Dogma has no any base at all.
In point six, you say Christian dogma was invented by Paul. In the very next point, you say Christian dogma was mainly based on the Gospels. I honestly can't tell whether you're trolling or not, but if you are -- well done.
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I am not trolling but you a conscienceless and shameless beast is lying with yourself. I did not post _"mainly based on the Gospels"_ but What I have posted is given below:
"7- Christian Dogma is mainly based on 4 *Anonymous Gospels,* which means: this Dogma has no any base at all."
ante-nicean fathers quote froom the markan appendix. it's the sinaiticus and vaticanus adherents who deny it and the opinion is based on 2 manuscripts.
We don't know who invented christian dogma. We do know Paul was countering the dogma of people who came before him (eg Peter).
@@lil-al
How were you saved?
Or do you not know, you are temple of the holy spirit
I know this. I have had Yeshua talk to me face to face. He's here now. Always has been. There will never be another Stone Temple for sacrifice. Israel's not a land, it's a people. All those born a new into the kingdom through Yeshua. We are Living Temples. We are Israel. You keep getting the same destruction to your own lives every time the Father has to send another Nebuchadnezzar into you whom still deny Truth. So when ya wonder why you're people are still persecuted in great numbers. "Let his blood be on our head and the heads of our children" Your father's cursed you in more ways than one and Truth is the only way out. Yeshua is The Scarlet Worm that crawls up on a tree and dies only to be born again 3 days later.. Yeshua IS KING Forever! I love you but I won't cry when the Hammer comes down on The synagogue of Satan again.
Well I'm with you I don't believe there has to be a temple built at all I don't know why everybody's getting caught up on this. It's kind of like the rapture of the church I have a five-time confirmation on a rapture but I don't believe it goes down exactly the way everybody out here professes it. I know 70 AD is not what Jesus prophesied. And there's even proof. But people have been brought up to believe that 70 AD is what Jesus prophesied and it's not. I know what God has told me. All I know is I'm not worried about the destruction the man can do. Worry what God's going to be doing when he pours out his wrath. Most people will not even be around.
@@jeffouellette9946 love you. I don't expect more wrath than ya see. From what I know The Temple was Heaven, Earth and Sea to a Hebrew. Well it burned up. Jesus came back when the Holy Spirit came back In. "I send another in my name". "Men of Galilee why do you stand staring up at the sky. Jesus, the same way He left He's coming back In" 10 days later everything changed. No more Fear. Temple is gone now you are the Temple. You are Israel Forever. Living Stones in a Living City not seen by with Natural eyes. Only the Born Again can Enter In. Come and go freely. When man Words are changed to Truth The man sees more. God? Which one? I don't use that word to reference the Father anymore. God never healed me. Jesus did and I saw it first hand. God like the one on the WORLDS Shoe. "Swoosh" is a demon. People say they know Truth but serve old gods/ demons and have been fooled into serving witchcraft. If you'll look you'll find witchcraft is still around after new Jerusalem shows up. After the devil's throwing down and everybody's judged you still have dogs, perverts, idol worship and witchcraft. That my brother is what you are living in right now. The rest is man following perversion of Truth. Jesus and The Father live in the Baptized IN Fire. Come on in. The fire feels good 🔥💨🙏😁
37:33 the interpretation of Mark 10 : 18 could be this (in answering a child's question about inherenting eternal life)... why call me good? None are good if not (unless) one with God. In my opinion this appears to loosely parallel the exodus narrative when the children came out of egypt.... though Jesus is the great teacher, he is teaching first that you should be one with God before determining what is good (or evil indirectly). Also, God did command Adam (God's child) not to eat the fruit.
Jesus followed the Torah from Abraham and he told Jews they must be Born Again Jews. I have a Ytube video series called 'Myths in so-called Christianity' #5 & #7.
THE BOOK OF MARK IS MORE OF AN EXPLANATION OF WHY JESUS IS THE MESSIAH BEING GIVEN TO BOTH THE HEBREWS AND THE GENTILES THAT WOULD BECOME KINGDOM PROCLAIMERS SO THAT THEY WOULD - NOT ONLY KNOW WHAT THE FAITH IS - BUT ALSO HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING THE WILL OF GOD: “Also, in all the nations, the good news has to be preached first.” MARK 13:10
AS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE GOOD NEWS IS CENTERED AROUND HAVING AN ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THE KINGDOM IS AND HOW TO DISPENSE THAT MESSAGE - AS IT IS THE TOTAL FOCUS POINT OF EVERYTHING THAT JESUS TAUGHT: “He said to them: “To you the sacred secret of the Kingdom of God has been given, but to those outside all things are in illustrations,” Mark 4:11
WHERE THE FOCUS IS TAKING OFF OF THE MESSAGE THAT JESUS TAUGHT THE WAY BEFORE THOSE READING OR HEARING SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE FACTS CONCERNING THE KINGDOM BECOMES NOTHING MORE THAN A MENTAL EXERCISE THAT WILL NOT ALLOW ONE TO KNOW WHAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS: “and saying: “The appointed time has been fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God has drawn near. Repent, and have faith in the good news.” Mark 1:15
MARK’S ACCOUNT IS BUT A SYNOPSIS OF THE OVERALL ATTENTION THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO JESUS THAT WOULD PROVE HIM TO BE THE MESSIAH AND THAT IS WHY IS BOOK OPENS WITH THE DIRECT THING THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD ABOVE ALL ELSE STATING: “The beginning of the good news about Jesus Christ, the Son of God:” Mark 1:1
Mark's gospel is an allegory of the spiritual life. It is not a history.
All the very elect are the annointed one. Its not just one person. The seed of David is referring to all the decendants of David who follow the Holy Spirit and Word of The Father. The gospels are spiritual allegory. A hidden mystery. A hidden treasure. The Son of God is one seed which is all the seed of David. The one seed that offers their life as a sacrifice for their own sins and for the sins of others committed against them.
Psalm 146:3 is pretty clear. Unfortunately people have been deceived as to what the gospels actually are teaching. Rev 21:7.
@@jdaze1 the Bible still has a message of how you live your life it's not all what you've done to someone or what someone has done to you. If you ain't living the life the Bible tells you to live you ain't going to enter into the kingdom. And right now most Christians would hear the good old words I never knew you. They haven't turn from their wicked ways.
If the new Judeo-Christian movement thought that Jesus, or “a son of man” would return after the destruction of the temple, then why write a book-Mark? That’s something that has always bothered me. If the end of the world was to happen in this age would you write a book on the same? To what end? Jude also tells me something that might resonate with where I’m headed with this. If you read his book carefully you will see that he may not have been a “Christian “ per se, but that “Christ” was commonly used by scribes as an epithet to secretly refer unto someone or something else. I believe Jude is a distress signal and that true followers of the faith are to resort unto the ancient ways of the saints that did the same through pilgrimage, and that the sayings of Jesus did not happen as he said it would. Jude also refers unto one that he was writing unto as “beloved”, which, we know who that is.
Mary or Maryam is from the Bloodlines with Greek ethnicity, particularly from Tarshih, maritime Son of Javan or Aionian(No letter J in Greek), who colonize Maguindanao(Davao) and called it Tarshih a Greek Colony of Javans bloodline, one of the 3 Kings(Ophir, Sheba & Tarshih) of the Far East who visited Mary during her giving birth to Jesus...Why was Mary in Middle east? She was born in Middle East..Her Family came there during the re-building of the 2nd Temple to contribute Gold from Ophir/Sheba/Tarshih or the 3 Big Islands of the Philippines(Number One supplier of Gold/Marble & Gopher wood(Sandal wood or Narra Tree in the World since ancient times)..Sheba was during the building of the First Temple of Solomon, while Mary or Maryam is during the 2nd Temple(Mathew 12:42)
Need a Islam Caliphate a United Islam & The Jews Two Caliphate Messiah ben Yosef and Messiah ben David . To get this end of the world show going -- Dont see them on the earth yet
The temple of God, my body and soul
The ark of the covenant, my ten commandments in my heart
The altar of God, what I sacrifice to my soul and God
The soul is the mind
The spirit is my identity and personality
My soul is the spiritual city of Jerusalem where all those who have lived and have died from my family live
Tshion is the nation of spirit of those who keep YHWH Gods commandments
I am the living God! Does the stone talk to you?
I am the spirit of God, all those who have lived and have died
Revelation 3:14 all those who have lived and have died who are righteous is the source of creation of God!
That temple in Jerusalem was destroyed for a reason and will always be cursed until the destruction of the vineyard who thought they could inherit the kingdom from Yeshua by killing him, Isaiah chapter 5, parable of the vineyard Mark chapter 12.
The gates to hell are wide open and many will be led astray by commandments written by men, religious men, Isaiah chapter 29:13-15
Isaiah 66:2 those who sacrifice a heifer as if killing a man. Chapter 1, I dont want your sacrifices just stop sinning
All against Gods commandments! ant-christ, against-christ!
@UCbdJ7GjlucS0yJVb3kag_eA that place has been cursed since they crucified Jesus there and it will be cursed until the destruction of this world as God said in Isaiah chapter 5!
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@@lil-al it is written in the prophecy, that means it will happen
when God says it is written, for us it means it has occurred
you cannot escape destiny!
in that temple, all the holy men and women were murdered by 1000s! it is the most detestable place on earth!
what did God say in isaiah 66:2 yet they will still do it, against God, against Christ, anti - christ! the house of satan as Jesus called it.
The suffering servant is the very elect or the all the seed of David. Psalm 18:50. Isaiah 53. The ONE seed is ALL the decendants of David. Not one man. The very elect is the anointed one and are given the same NEW NAME, Phillipians 2:9-10, Rev. 3:12.
@@jdaze1 Isaiah 53 is about the lamb as if slain from revelation. They will try to kill him too but they fail. They will persecute him as it says in Isaiah. He doesnt have a new name, he has a unique name that no one knew except him. He has a special name which he only knows what it means. FYI this is not Jesus. Jesus said over and over again, I will send someone, he, a person, redeemer of accursed, people under a curse, spirit of the truth, Jesus writes revelation and the lamb sits in front of Jesus and God.
Also, I dont read what the serial killer wrote, aka paul. I dont listen to what killers have to say.