@@thesuperfan2457 thats true, my point is more that essentially the 15 minutes per episode dedicated to Rob and Sandra shenanigans was pointless in a way and the twist was invalidated by its winner.
Yep, during the pre merge episodes I was genuinely surprised by how great it seemed. A lot of the gameplay and cast seemed pretty promising but then once the merge happened, everything sorta went downhill and made watching it pretty uncomfortable
@@mackiahhenry6261 followed the house?? Whattt! You didn’t watch BB15 then 😂 Firstly, Amanda/McCrae Vs Helen. Helen getting Aaryn to keep her word when she saved her from eviction to take out Howard. Both double evictions were brutal blindsides with Judd and Elissa getting the rug pulled out. Andy pulling in Spencer and GM to dominate the end game and taking the power away from McCrae.
I just started watching Survivor in S43 and decided to go back to Kaoh Rong and binge up to 42 (no real rhyme or reason, I just heard that season was good and kept going). I didn’t know about the issues with this season at all until I got to it and as I watched became SO CONFUSED as to how this was being handled. I really appreciate you all taking the space to talk about it and process it bc CBS really didn’t. Loved this chat and glad y’all celebrated the bright spots in this season.
All these comments like “would have been great without Dan” are ignoring how poorly many of the other cast members handled the incident, including the eventual winner. It tainted the whole post-merge way beyond just one person.
I’m so glad that this season rankings is a thing! I’m missing all the Survivor content and this will hopefully hold me over until we get a season 😭😭 Thanks Rob!!!!
However we need to talk about the fact that the female cast of this season was absolutely top-tier. Noura, Janet, Lauren, Kellee, Karishma, Elaine (and even Missy) were all interesting and dynamic characters/players and i would love to see them all back.
Missy and Elisabeth telling Kellee that Dan also made them feel uncomfortable just so they could blindside her has to be one of the darkest moves ever pulled on the show can’t imagine Missy will be back
Not to defend you know who but this season gets a lot of bad rap. The premerge is excellent and I actually thought the IoI itself was a better version of Ghost Island because at least stuff happened week to week. The merge episode is what ruins the season, but there are some highlights post merge. I am not going to say this is a top 10 season or anything, but I'd rather watch the first 6 episodes of this season than the entirety of One World.
I am in agreement. I think 95% of the cast is very good TV and that marks a good season. As far as people not liking the twists/themes, I don't fault Survivor for trying new things. It's ok to try something new as long as you don't repeat the bad ideas! IoI is not close to the worst in my rankings.
100% agree. I actually overall like IOI. Yes, those who see it last due to what happened are completely valid. But for me, when rewatching the package as a whole, there's far more good than bad. I have it at 21 on my list.
Yeah exactly. I’ve heard rumblings that Dan has received death threats from fans, and that’s not okay I can’t defend what Dan was doing this season but that doesn’t mean I wish him any ill will
The worst thing for me is that it took so long for them to kick Dan off. We saw in one of the first people episodes that Kelly was concerned and it only took him touching a producer for it to be fixed. In Thailand Ted admitted to it (kind of) and it really seemed like the tribe wanted to move on for the better or worse. It’s unfortunate that in the end Gandhia just got the boot but times were much different then, not to excuse either of them though.
I only watched Island of the Idols recently, shortly after Winners At War and had no clue about the controversy, the players etc. I can only agree with a lot that you have said in the video: The whole Dan situation aside, its actually in my opinion one of the better first time player seasons of the show. However, you really can't put the Dan situation aside entirely. It is so integral to the narrative of the entire season and how the season played out that even just from a gameplay perspective, it can't be ignored. And I also think it shouldn't be ignored, since it is important to learn from that experience for CBS, the players and the viewers. I can totally understand why a lot of people don't want to watch this season ever again or why they stopped watching at the time, it's ugly and has some really dark moments. That said, i do think that Island of the Idols does have one of the strongest first time player casts in a long time, maybe since Cagayan? Like you guys said, there is (aside from the one massive dud) almost nobody that doesnt contribute in some way to the season and that is pretty rare in my opinion. I would be thrilled to say a lot of them play again eventually and get a second chance, especially since i think a lot of their game is understandably overshadowed by everything surrounding Dan. But even aside from the Dan situation, the season also had its issues. I totally agree that the inconsistency of the risks/rewards at the Island of the Idol was a big issue, culmanating with the incredibly stupid coin toss that completely changed the game and not in a good way. The season also continued the issues of previous seasons, with having too many idols and advantages. There are just too many gimmicks flying around, that it actually hurts the gameplay a lot. I think idols are great, but only in moderation. Between season 16 und 31, they probably hit the spot with the amount of advantages and idols and it is noticable in the quality of seasons. By now the game of survivor devolved into a game of who can find the most gimmicks. You dont have to play a strong strategic, social or physical game, if you are able to just find idols for council after council. That takes a lot out of the game and ultimately sours the idols themselves as well. I like the idea of having idols only until the final 7 and maybe even a limit on how often they get reset. Overall, i dont think I would put Island of the Idols on Number 40 of my personal list, but I understand why a lot of people chose this spot for the season. Removing myself a little from the controversy and the mistakes production made in handling it, i think it would probably rank somewhere in the middle of a ranking between 20 & 25. Looking forward to the podcasts in the future!
"The name for the tribe was originally suggested by Jack Nichting before his elimination, and was brought up again after the merge by Jamal Shipman and Janet Carbin, explaining that "LUMUWAKU" was an acronym that Jack's late father would tell his family before deployment". From Survivor Wiki
There’s so many people I like in this season that I want to see play again despite everything that happened: 1: Lauren 2: Janet 3: Kellee 4: Tommy 5: Jamal
This season had a top 10, maybe even top 5 pre-merge, but the Dan situation, combined with an idol nullifier being introduced on Day 37 because of a freaking coin flip, just soured the season
I think this season landed right where it should have. My wife and I watched Survivor every week, but this season had such a bad run of episodes that made us feel ashamed of the world that we started delaying our watching. Winners at War was a five episodes at a time season, because this season disrupted our enjoyment of the show SO MUCH.
I DEFINITELY think, if it weren't for Dan, this season would absolutely be higher up the list. There were quite a few players I really enjoyed this season. I LOVE Elaine. I thought Lauren had a great concept of strategy. Tommy was decent and entertaining. I love Janet she's such a sweetheart. I really liked Karishma too. I liked Jamal from what I remember. Noura annoyed me but was good tv and was good for fcking up the game. Gotta love when a player is basically a perpetual twist throughout the game lmao
I’m just thinking about the Rob and Sandra sitcom. Both of their families in that two story hut trying to co-parent their collective 6 children like full house
This season ranked #35 for me personally. The pre-merge had some decent moments but too much focus on people who weren't going to go far in the season. The merge is not very good because you have everything that happened with Dan combined with all the focus on Karishma and Noura, who we all knew weren't going to win. After the ejection, you basically knew Tommy was most likely going to win because Laura didn't have a good enough edit. The cast wasn't very memorable for me outside of Janet, Elaine, or even Jason (dude deserves another shot someday). Tommy was a solid winner for the season, however, all the twists just make the season more boring and predictable and overall, I just felt like the season just had too much happen where the edit focused too much on the bad parts of the season.
@@bc5163 one of the worst edited casts and I can't stand Russhole. Maybe would've been ok with a balanced edit but samoa has got to be the most biased and poorly edited season of the show, only caramoan could rival it
I definitely agree with Rob more on Tommy. He played a great game but doesn’t make the most interesting TV. I can respect Chantele’s opinion of Lauren deserving the win more. I do think it’s a little extreme like with the “I’d need to see Lauren win if she came back” but I can understand the sentiment. Personally though my perspective on Lauren and Tommy is they both could play an amazing game on their own but together they do far better, I kinda think of Lauren as the Steven to Tommy’s JT. Both of them were valuable to controlling the game, but Tommy just turns on the charm and undermines his partner at the very end to take the win. I do appreciate both of their games though for making it to where they were, and I think anyone who positions themselves to win going into the last few eliminations deserve to have their games be appreciated (this is to say they know their path to victory and can make it).
This obviously shouldn't have been last. I rank this season 15th. So much good about the season. The bad stuff is awful and apparent, but there's tons of good here.
I think recency bias has something to do with it. I started watching Borneo in 2017 and watched all the way through sequentially. IoI is much more palatable than several other seasons.
I don't underestimate why so many people hate.. like everything about the show lmao advantages are fcking awesome. They give it's a FAIR twist that can change anyone's game (if used correctly ofc). Like anyone can get an advantage. It gives the real underdogs a chance. Same with tribe swaps. The point of this game is that you can't know what to expect. That's why its so hard. You can't plan the whole thing out ahead of time. And as far as the big Rob and Sandra heads.. I love that sht lmao like ghost island as a concept was probably my favorite of all bc I love the corny gimmicks and the constant nostalgia like everything about that season was right up my alley lol I don't understand why everyone hated it. I feel like people hated ghost island before even seeing it.
Watching this podcast and remembering everything about this season has made me absolutely positively sure that this should be nowhere near the last place season, so much good!!
Yes, the Dan situation was bad but I don't think that it should put a cloud over the whole season. I think last is too low. It's not a super strong season but not last
I feel like without Dan though stuff completely changes. Kellee makes it much farther, especially since she had two idols, and everyone’s endgame is different since they all planned on dragging dan to the end. Missy and Elizabeth are much more enjoyable characters when they don’t have the opportunity to use someone’s sexual harassment as a strategy. Hopefully this would affect the editing somehow in a positive way, like less virtue signaling at tribal to try and make up for the fact that a molester is on the show, and a more even edit for the power players.
@@TheMurrmursonbottle Tommy and Lauren have both said that the Dan stuff in no way effected both Kellee and Jamal going home. So if the Dan stuff didn’t happened nothing would have changed other than him being pulled at final 6
@@jareddye9883 I think that rings true for Tommy and Lauren, but without Dan in the game, Kellee isn’t so confident that he’s going home in her spot, and when people aren’t using her harassment to manipulate her into thinking she’s safe, she’s much more likely to play an idol
@@TheMurrmursonbottle Maybe so, but I believe most people believe she was voted out because of the Dan controversy, not because she made some obvious blunders in the game. Which is what Tommy and Lauren said she was targeted for.
@@TheMurrmursonbottle Nah, as much as i like Kellee, she still would of been booted around early merge because she was playing too hard and not many really trusted her.
It's a shame this season was scarred by Dan because besides that it did have a lot of good players to root for. I think Elaine, Janet and Lauren all deserve to be brought back at some point to play again.
I personally believe it’s not the absolute worst season of all time, I liked a lot of the characters and the gameplay. The premise and side missions players had to complete for advantages was an awesome idea. That being said, there is no doing damage control over the Dan Spilo situation. Things got too ugly too fast. I personally have it at 36 but I can see how people despise the season even more.
The aggressions goat strategy so man people used and so few people caught onto really soured me on this season. I hated the way Karishma was treated. It would have been poetic to see her win. It really disgusted me that there was talk about Noura and Karishma not deserving to make it further than some others, but it was okay for Dan to make it further. If there is another Heroes vs Villians, put Jamal and Janet there, they area heroes. I wonder about how some of Tommy’s female students will think of him dragging Dan along, then screwing over Janet and Lauren? Too bade Janet, Lauren, and Elaine didn’t see the writing on the wall and band together. That would have been a great ending to the season.
One thing I really hated about this season was that Jeff wasn’t there to start the show off and give the Survivors a proper marooning. Kellee was already speaking up about the inappropriate touching in the first episode before we even see Jeff!! It didn’t start the show off on the right foot. The Survivors in the season (except for the obvious) really got ripped off.
The most unpopular seasons are ones where the winner could be seen a mile out... and IOI joins, RI, One World and Caramoan on that score too (somehow WAW avoids this rap because the cast was such high quality?). The ugly Dan stuff here as the sole reason to mark it last is probably a bit harsh (Brandon in Caramoan, Varner, Hatch on All Stars i would say on par). And the cringeworthy teachable moment overreaching was as offputting as the religious rubbish throughout South Pacific (saved by Sophie and maybe Ozzie). A lot of shared factors, kinda makes sense to have this at the bottom... was bad, but not orders of magnitude worse than 3-4 other seasons mentioned above?
I get that you kind of have to rank this season last because of what happened but objectively it’s not that bad of a season at all. Wasn’t too psyched about the Tommy win but I’m never very satisfied with the winner anyways because I root for the underdogs😂😭
The whole reason I bought the season was to see the whole thing with Dan I heard it was a bad season so I wasn't going to buy it and then when I found out how big of a deal it was at the time I was like okay now I kind of am curious
Imo, with one obvious MAJOR exception, this is one of my top 5 newbie casts of all time easily. I absolutely loved the women this season, and if Dan wasn’t on the cast, I could see this being in the top half of the seasons. All that being did... it does have Dan, and he absolutely ruins the season.
They should’ve gone the Drag Race route of editing Dan out of the season. Don’t give him screentime, don’t give him confessionals, don’t let him speak at tribal. Make him a non-factor in the actual aired show. I mean, they should’ve ejected him right away regardless but if that wasn’t in the cards (which makes no sense, the dude literally broke the law and violated multiple women on your show, it shouldn’t even be up for debate what to do in that situation), then the next best thing is to try to salvage the rest of the season.
I came up with a very fun way to make the idol nullifier twist work. If day one for both tribes they had a blindfolded immunity challenge where everyone is holding a rock and if they are the first to open their hand and reveal the rock they will have the idol nullifier put into their bag but also if 3 people reveal their rock on the tribe their tribe gets nothing, if 2 you get flint, 1 you get fishing gear, and if you reveal none your tribe is immune for the tribal council if both tribes reveal there is a double tribal if no one reveals no one is voted for an extra round. Either way the idol nullifier becomes something you need to keep secret as if you have if you have betrayed your tribe and will absolutely lose respect, but at the same time it gives you an advantage in the game, and even better everyone in the game know exactly how many nullifiers will be in play for the entire season. I think this as a 1 time twist would be very entertaining and lead to so very good strategy.
I'm not surprised this came in last and it's understandable, but if I'm thinking about how good some of those episodes were, there's no way I would ever put it behind some of the older more boring seasons or like a One World that others have mentioned. I think I had it around 30, although there are some seasons I have not watched.
32.71% of the voters had this as the last place?! 😵 Clearly, I did not watch the same season as everyone else. I had IoI @ 15. EOE is THE WORST for me!!! Hearing what's coming next, EoE is ranked TOO HIGH!!!!! Can we see the average rankings? Like IOI is on average place 39.75? Wait. You never said if the audience ranked Tommy's win high or low. I listened to this part like 3x for this.
35:50 honestly the foreshadowing has become so obvious and predictable over the years, a lot of the editing has, and I think they were just trying to like trick us lol
44:38 i mean.. would this show really be entertaining if everything just worked out for everyone? Never knowing when a swap is coming is part of what makes this game difficult. Between swaps, random twists, advantages/idols.. no one can really set out a full plan and enact it. Your plan has to change constantly. And sometimes those swaps completely save a player who was screwed for some other reason lol sometimes the swaps can be beneficial. I guess people just like to btch about it when it's their favorite who gets screwed..
Kudos to Rob for rewatching the entire season so we don’t have to
nostalgia critic=rob cesternino??
Funny how the winner of the season did not have any contact with the actual THEME OF THE SEASON!😂
@@thesuperfan2457 thats true, my point is more that essentially the 15 minutes per episode dedicated to Rob and Sandra shenanigans was pointless in a way and the twist was invalidated by its winner.
I remember up until everything with Dan happened I was really enjoying this season
Yeeep, took a huge turn from there :(
Yep, during the pre merge episodes I was genuinely surprised by how great it seemed. A lot of the gameplay and cast seemed pretty promising but then once the merge happened, everything sorta went downhill and made watching it pretty uncomfortable
It's no surprise that this is in last place. Always love the podcasts. Can't wait to keep it moving all the way to #1
this is the bb15 of survivor, a solid strategic game overshadowed by awful awful controversy
@@mackiahhenry6261 followed the house?? Whattt! You didn’t watch BB15 then 😂
Firstly, Amanda/McCrae Vs Helen.
Helen getting Aaryn to keep her word when she saved her from eviction to take out Howard.
Both double evictions were brutal blindsides with Judd and Elissa getting the rug pulled out. Andy pulling in Spencer and GM to dominate the end game and taking the power away from McCrae.
100% agree!
Strategy is boring as hell and so is the winner 😴 😴 😴
@@brianJohnxxThe racism was way too much on BB15. Like how no one said anything including producers is wild.
I just started watching Survivor in S43 and decided to go back to Kaoh Rong and binge up to 42 (no real rhyme or reason, I just heard that season was good and kept going). I didn’t know about the issues with this season at all until I got to it and as I watched became SO CONFUSED as to how this was being handled. I really appreciate you all taking the space to talk about it and process it bc CBS really didn’t. Loved this chat and glad y’all celebrated the bright spots in this season.
Dan's removal removed one of the greatest scenes in history of Dean playing the fake of the fake legacy
Chappell is so fantastic, glad he was here to brighten up one of the worst seasons of survivor
*40th best
@@jordansinger8841 I admire your optimism
Chappell is hilarious, fun, and he has great chemistry with both Rob and Chantele. Chantele is also a great addition to your team! Enjoyable podcast.
Agree he made this so much more enjoyable
when he said how it doesn't surprise him that Rob doesn't like the three tribe format lmao
Chappell is really good, I'm cracking up at his commentary!
All these comments like “would have been great without Dan” are ignoring how poorly many of the other cast members handled the incident, including the eventual winner. It tainted the whole post-merge way beyond just one person.
100% agree!
Top Tier pre merge! Had production removed Dan earlier, this would’ve been a top 20 season for sure. An exciting group of newbies.
I’m so glad that this season rankings is a thing! I’m missing all the Survivor content and this will hopefully hold me over until we get a season 😭😭
Thanks Rob!!!!
However we need to talk about the fact that the female cast of this season was absolutely top-tier.
Noura, Janet, Lauren, Kellee, Karishma, Elaine (and even Missy) were all interesting and dynamic characters/players and i would love to see them all back.
Missy and Elisabeth telling Kellee that Dan also made them feel uncomfortable just so they could blindside her has to be one of the darkest moves ever pulled on the show can’t imagine Missy will be back
Chelsea's insanely overrated but the rest of the female cast was brilliant. That's part of what made Tommy's win so disappointing.
Screw Noura, herself and her covid denying conspiracies can stay out of our mentions for life.
Not to defend you know who but this season gets a lot of bad rap. The premerge is excellent and I actually thought the IoI itself was a better version of Ghost Island because at least stuff happened week to week. The merge episode is what ruins the season, but there are some highlights post merge. I am not going to say this is a top 10 season or anything, but I'd rather watch the first 6 episodes of this season than the entirety of One World.
I agree 100%. One world was a big disgrace to everything about this franchise with 0 redeeming qualities
@@daydreamer097 Kim is one of the most beloved first-time players, so it's got that going for it if not much else.
I am in agreement. I think 95% of the cast is very good TV and that marks a good season. As far as people not liking the twists/themes, I don't fault Survivor for trying new things. It's ok to try something new as long as you don't repeat the bad ideas! IoI is not close to the worst in my rankings.
100% agree. I actually overall like IOI. Yes, those who see it last due to what happened are completely valid. But for me, when rewatching the package as a whole, there's far more good than bad. I have it at 21 on my list.
exactly this
I wouldn’t put this at last. This season had amazing moments. Just because this season had Dan doesn’t mean this is the worst
Yeah exactly. I’ve heard rumblings that Dan has received death threats from fans, and that’s not okay I can’t defend what Dan was doing this season but that doesn’t mean I wish him any ill will
I think the Thailand situation was a lot worse because nobody did anything about it.
The worst thing for me is that it took so long for them to kick Dan off. We saw in one of the first people episodes that Kelly was concerned and it only took him touching a producer for it to be fixed. In Thailand Ted admitted to it (kind of) and it really seemed like the tribe wanted to move on for the better or worse. It’s unfortunate that in the end Gandhia just got the boot but times were much different then, not to excuse either of them though.
and the china situation
Chantele's smiling face is so calming!
I LOVE this trio. More with Chantele and Chappelle!
I only watched Island of the Idols recently, shortly after Winners At War and had no clue about the controversy, the players etc.
I can only agree with a lot that you have said in the video:
The whole Dan situation aside, its actually in my opinion one of the better first time player seasons of the show. However, you really can't put the Dan situation aside entirely. It is so integral to the narrative of the entire season and how the season played out that even just from a gameplay perspective, it can't be ignored. And I also think it shouldn't be ignored, since it is important to learn from that experience for CBS, the players and the viewers. I can totally understand why a lot of people don't want to watch this season ever again or why they stopped watching at the time, it's ugly and has some really dark moments.
That said, i do think that Island of the Idols does have one of the strongest first time player casts in a long time, maybe since Cagayan? Like you guys said, there is (aside from the one massive dud) almost nobody that doesnt contribute in some way to the season and that is pretty rare in my opinion. I would be thrilled to say a lot of them play again eventually and get a second chance, especially since i think a lot of their game is understandably overshadowed by everything surrounding Dan.
But even aside from the Dan situation, the season also had its issues. I totally agree that the inconsistency of the risks/rewards at the Island of the Idol was a big issue, culmanating with the incredibly stupid coin toss that completely changed the game and not in a good way. The season also continued the issues of previous seasons, with having too many idols and advantages. There are just too many gimmicks flying around, that it actually hurts the gameplay a lot. I think idols are great, but only in moderation. Between season 16 und 31, they probably hit the spot with the amount of advantages and idols and it is noticable in the quality of seasons. By now the game of survivor devolved into a game of who can find the most gimmicks. You dont have to play a strong strategic, social or physical game, if you are able to just find idols for council after council. That takes a lot out of the game and ultimately sours the idols themselves as well. I like the idea of having idols only until the final 7 and maybe even a limit on how often they get reset.
Overall, i dont think I would put Island of the Idols on Number 40 of my personal list, but I understand why a lot of people chose this spot for the season. Removing myself a little from the controversy and the mistakes production made in handling it, i think it would probably rank somewhere in the middle of a ranking between 20 & 25.
Looking forward to the podcasts in the future!
Chappell’s assessment of Dean is exactly how I felt that whole season. I would have voted for Noura over Dean
Great panel with hilarious commentary from all of you, thanks guys!
I think if some of the pre-mergers made the merge, like Molly, Chelsea, Jason, over Dan/Missy/Elizabeth, the season would've been a lot better.
Chappell is great! I’d love to see more of him!
So where did the fans in the poll say Tommy ranked in terms of winners from 1 to 40?
there is actually only 38 winners, as tony and sandra have won twice
They still say 40 winners because Sandra and Tony played differently in both their wins
Here to remind everyone that Dan was originally supposed to be on S38 and was one of the few carryovers from the Lynne Spillman era of casting...
"The name for the tribe was originally suggested by Jack Nichting before his elimination, and was brought up again after the merge by Jamal Shipman and Janet Carbin, explaining that "LUMUWAKU" was an acronym that Jack's late father would tell his family before deployment". From Survivor Wiki
What does it stand for?
Chappell is amazing! Every episode he's on is just a treat. Have him on for more of these episodes!
My goal is to watch rewatch the season before each podcast. I just finish episode 3 and then this pops up in my recommended... oh god
Love this new series! This season had so much potential :((
I really appreciate you for not ignoring this season but also calling the season crap for what it is.
There’s so many people I like in this season that I want to see play again despite everything that happened:
1: Lauren
2: Janet
3: Kellee
4: Tommy
5: Jamal
I ♥️ Chappelle, we don't see enough of him. I adore his laugh especially.
This season had a top 10, maybe even top 5 pre-merge, but the Dan situation, combined with an idol nullifier being introduced on Day 37 because of a freaking coin flip, just soured the season
i LOVE Chappell. This dude is pure gold. I would watch him talk for 15 hours straight.
Maaan it sucks that my first ever season of this show is the community's least favorite
Nowhere to go but up now!
My first was Thailand, which will be coming up soon
@@mattbarr6732 probably up next
@@SurvivorSpencer I'm expecting S22 beforehand at a bare minimum. Ideally S24 and S26 too but I know Caramoan has fans for some reason
I think this season landed right where it should have. My wife and I watched Survivor every week, but this season had such a bad run of episodes that made us feel ashamed of the world that we started delaying our watching. Winners at War was a five episodes at a time season, because this season disrupted our enjoyment of the show SO MUCH.
"This was Jeff's winners edit" 😂😂😂
1:05:06 "we need to get rid of Janet.. people are gonna love watching her fall on her face" I laughed for like 3 whole minutes over this part
Chappell could talk about dry wall and it would be entertaining.
I'm shocked Redemple Temple isn't last
They really did the merge tribe name dirty! It is actually a very touching story (there is a secret scene that explains)
I DEFINITELY think, if it weren't for Dan, this season would absolutely be higher up the list. There were quite a few players I really enjoyed this season. I LOVE Elaine. I thought Lauren had a great concept of strategy. Tommy was decent and entertaining. I love Janet she's such a sweetheart. I really liked Karishma too. I liked Jamal from what I remember. Noura annoyed me but was good tv and was good for fcking up the game. Gotta love when a player is basically a perpetual twist throughout the game lmao
Did anyone else feel the challenges this season were really good, unique and required a lot of physical strength
time to rewatch the rewatch of the whole survivor series :) goodbye 4 days of my life
players ranking
1.Janet
2.Kellee
3.Dean
4.Elaine
5.Tommy
6.Karishma
7.Lauren
8.Jamal
9.Chelsea
10.Noura
11.Missy
12.Aaron
13.Elizabeth
14.Jason
15.Jack
16.Vince
17.Tom
18.Molly
19.Ronnie
20.Dan
I’m just thinking about the Rob and Sandra sitcom. Both of their families in that two story hut trying to co-parent their collective 6 children like full house
My favorite from this season was Lauren, Janet, Tommy, Dean, Karishma and Elaine
The Rob head kinda let me down....no B hat? That's the only part of his look that they needed
This season ranked #35 for me personally. The pre-merge had some decent moments but too much focus on people who weren't going to go far in the season. The merge is not very good because you have everything that happened with Dan combined with all the focus on Karishma and Noura, who we all knew weren't going to win. After the ejection, you basically knew Tommy was most likely going to win because Laura didn't have a good enough edit. The cast wasn't very memorable for me outside of Janet, Elaine, or even Jason (dude deserves another shot someday). Tommy was a solid winner for the season, however, all the twists just make the season more boring and predictable and overall, I just felt like the season just had too much happen where the edit focused too much on the bad parts of the season.
Enjoyed this wayyy more than at least Thailand, Samoa, RI, SoPa, One World, Caramoan and HHH and more than a few others. Underrated season
@@bc5163 one of the worst edited casts and I can't stand Russhole. Maybe would've been ok with a balanced edit but samoa has got to be the most biased and poorly edited season of the show, only caramoan could rival it
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I definitely agree with Rob more on Tommy. He played a great game but doesn’t make the most interesting TV. I can respect Chantele’s opinion of Lauren deserving the win more. I do think it’s a little extreme like with the “I’d need to see Lauren win if she came back” but I can understand the sentiment. Personally though my perspective on Lauren and Tommy is they both could play an amazing game on their own but together they do far better, I kinda think of Lauren as the Steven to Tommy’s JT. Both of them were valuable to controlling the game, but Tommy just turns on the charm and undermines his partner at the very end to take the win. I do appreciate both of their games though for making it to where they were, and I think anyone who positions themselves to win going into the last few eliminations deserve to have their games be appreciated (this is to say they know their path to victory and can make it).
This obviously shouldn't have been last. I rank this season 15th.
So much good about the season.
The bad stuff is awful and apparent, but there's tons of good here.
The season is actually pretty good minus Dan, would be borderline top half
I think recency bias has something to do with it. I started watching Borneo in 2017 and watched all the way through sequentially. IoI is much more palatable than several other seasons.
I LOVE CHAPPELL! If / When Jeff leaves "Survivor," I think we have a NEW HOST!
The fake fake advantage was hilarious
I loved the season minus Dan
I don't underestimate why so many people hate.. like everything about the show lmao advantages are fcking awesome. They give it's a FAIR twist that can change anyone's game (if used correctly ofc). Like anyone can get an advantage. It gives the real underdogs a chance. Same with tribe swaps. The point of this game is that you can't know what to expect. That's why its so hard. You can't plan the whole thing out ahead of time. And as far as the big Rob and Sandra heads.. I love that sht lmao like ghost island as a concept was probably my favorite of all bc I love the corny gimmicks and the constant nostalgia like everything about that season was right up my alley lol I don't understand why everyone hated it. I feel like people hated ghost island before even seeing it.
I do remember Dan being pretty underedited, particularly early on, and wondering why this was the case.
Love it💕
Watching this podcast and remembering everything about this season has made me absolutely positively sure that this should be nowhere near the last place season, so much good!!
23:25 I assume they wanted us to have a better understanding of the whole situation 🤷
Yes, the Dan situation was bad but I don't think that it should put a cloud over the whole season. I think last is too low. It's not a super strong season but not last
Take Dan out and it’s still a bottom half, probably ranked around 30, season for me
I feel like without Dan though stuff completely changes. Kellee makes it much farther, especially since she had two idols, and everyone’s endgame is different since they all planned on dragging dan to the end. Missy and Elizabeth are much more enjoyable characters when they don’t have the opportunity to use someone’s sexual harassment as a strategy. Hopefully this would affect the editing somehow in a positive way, like less virtue signaling at tribal to try and make up for the fact that a molester is on the show, and a more even edit for the power players.
@@TheMurrmursonbottle Tommy and Lauren have both said that the Dan stuff in no way effected both Kellee and Jamal going home. So if the Dan stuff didn’t happened nothing would have changed other than him being pulled at final 6
@@jareddye9883 I think that rings true for Tommy and Lauren, but without Dan in the game, Kellee isn’t so confident that he’s going home in her spot, and when people aren’t using her harassment to manipulate her into thinking she’s safe, she’s much more likely to play an idol
@@TheMurrmursonbottle Maybe so, but I believe most people believe she was voted out because of the Dan controversy, not because she made some obvious blunders in the game. Which is what Tommy and Lauren said she was targeted for.
@@TheMurrmursonbottle Nah, as much as i like Kellee, she still would of been booted around early merge because she was playing too hard and not many really trusted her.
It's a shame this season was scarred by Dan because besides that it did have a lot of good players to root for. I think Elaine, Janet and Lauren all deserve to be brought back at some point to play again.
I personally believe it’s not the absolute worst season of all time, I liked a lot of the characters and the gameplay. The premise and side missions players had to complete for advantages was an awesome idea. That being said, there is no doing damage control over the Dan Spilo situation. Things got too ugly too fast. I personally have it at 36 but I can see how people despise the season even more.
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The aggressions goat strategy so man people used and so few people caught onto really soured me on this season. I hated the way Karishma was treated. It would have been poetic to see her win. It really disgusted me that there was talk about Noura and Karishma not deserving to make it further than some others, but it was okay for Dan to make it further. If there is another Heroes vs Villians, put Jamal and Janet there, they area heroes. I wonder about how some of Tommy’s female students will think of him dragging Dan along, then screwing over Janet and Lauren? Too bade Janet, Lauren, and Elaine didn’t see the writing on the wall and band together. That would have been a great ending to the season.
Noura for Villains tribe in Heroes vs Villains 2
Noooo dont bring her back
They could do the concept again. Maybe Cops-R-Us could be the teachers this time.
One thing I really hated about this season was that Jeff wasn’t there to start the show off and give the Survivors a proper marooning. Kellee was already speaking up about the inappropriate touching in the first episode before we even see Jeff!! It didn’t start the show off on the right foot. The Survivors in the season (except for the obvious) really got ripped off.
The most unpopular seasons are ones where the winner could be seen a mile out... and IOI joins, RI, One World and Caramoan on that score too (somehow WAW avoids this rap because the cast was such high quality?). The ugly Dan stuff here as the sole reason to mark it last is probably a bit harsh (Brandon in Caramoan, Varner, Hatch on All Stars i would say on par). And the cringeworthy teachable moment overreaching was as offputting as the religious rubbish throughout South Pacific (saved by Sophie and maybe Ozzie). A lot of shared factors, kinda makes sense to have this at the bottom... was bad, but not orders of magnitude worse than 3-4 other seasons mentioned above?
@@bc5163 well then am guessing Dan Spilo was as well if that's the standard!
Probably the best cast in like 5 years, minus one guy it is the challenge: ruins of survivor.
Chantele and I feel very similarly about Lauren.
I get that you kind of have to rank this season last because of what happened but objectively it’s not that bad of a season at all. Wasn’t too psyched about the Tommy win but I’m never very satisfied with the winner anyways because I root for the underdogs😂😭
The whole reason I bought the season was to see the whole thing with Dan I heard it was a bad season so I wasn't going to buy it and then when I found out how big of a deal it was at the time I was like okay now I kind of am curious
Imo, with one obvious MAJOR exception, this is one of my top 5 newbie casts of all time easily. I absolutely loved the women this season, and if Dan wasn’t on the cast, I could see this being in the top half of the seasons. All that being did... it does have Dan, and he absolutely ruins the season.
Rob and sanda talking about the jury is funny because the jury only voting for them because they got to end with goats lol
Chappell is so funny lmao need chappell on more of these hahah
Queen Chantele
They should’ve gone the Drag Race route of editing Dan out of the season. Don’t give him screentime, don’t give him confessionals, don’t let him speak at tribal. Make him a non-factor in the actual aired show.
I mean, they should’ve ejected him right away regardless but if that wasn’t in the cards (which makes no sense, the dude literally broke the law and violated multiple women on your show, it shouldn’t even be up for debate what to do in that situation), then the next best thing is to try to salvage the rest of the season.
I came up with a very fun way to make the idol nullifier twist work. If day one for both tribes they had a blindfolded immunity challenge where everyone is holding a rock and if they are the first to open their hand and reveal the rock they will have the idol nullifier put into their bag but also if 3 people reveal their rock on the tribe their tribe gets nothing, if 2 you get flint, 1 you get fishing gear, and if you reveal none your tribe is immune for the tribal council if both tribes reveal there is a double tribal if no one reveals no one is voted for an extra round. Either way the idol nullifier becomes something you need to keep secret as if you have if you have betrayed your tribe and will absolutely lose respect, but at the same time it gives you an advantage in the game, and even better everyone in the game know exactly how many nullifiers will be in play for the entire season.
I think this as a 1 time twist would be very entertaining and lead to so very good strategy.
IOI should be above 35! The cast in IOI minus Dan is fantastic
35 last?! That’s top 25
I'm not surprised this came in last and it's understandable, but if I'm thinking about how good some of those episodes were, there's no way I would ever put it behind some of the older more boring seasons or like a One World that others have mentioned. I think I had it around 30, although there are some seasons I have not watched.
hey Rob big fan of survivor and I think this show would have been better if they didn't cast dan this season or any other season
I literally could not remember who won this season... 40 seems appropriate LOL
i thought this was going to be the whole ratings and them bashing ioi for a hour i was mistaken
Tommy not only voted Kellee instead of Dan, he was in an alliance with Dan. I can't forgive him for that. Nor Dean, nor anyone who sided with Dan.
Lmaoooooo #TeamChappell
Chappell is so funny!
how would you rank this season without that controversy?
25
Why does Chappell hate Dean so much? I'd like to see him try and get 2 jury votes.
32.71% of the voters had this as the last place?! 😵 Clearly, I did not watch the same season as everyone else. I had IoI @ 15. EOE is THE WORST for me!!! Hearing what's coming next, EoE is ranked TOO HIGH!!!!!
Can we see the average rankings? Like IOI is on average place 39.75?
Wait. You never said if the audience ranked Tommy's win high or low. I listened to this part like 3x for this.
Personal: Thailand
I love Chappell to death, but the Dean Hate is strong. Bout to get gout from all that salt.
35:50 honestly the foreshadowing has become so obvious and predictable over the years, a lot of the editing has, and I think they were just trying to like trick us lol
Chappell is such a cutie and so pleasant 🤗
44:38 i mean.. would this show really be entertaining if everything just worked out for everyone? Never knowing when a swap is coming is part of what makes this game difficult. Between swaps, random twists, advantages/idols.. no one can really set out a full plan and enact it. Your plan has to change constantly. And sometimes those swaps completely save a player who was screwed for some other reason lol sometimes the swaps can be beneficial. I guess people just like to btch about it when it's their favorite who gets screwed..
But can y'all imagine the advantage Erik would've drawn up? Lmao would've looked more legit than the real ones 😂
Wow is first season back I stop watching during the middle of game chargers. So I haven’t seen season between those or finished game chargers