DAMNING Truth About Labour Revealed By Martin Forde KC

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  • @OwenJonesTalks
    @OwenJonesTalks  Рік тому +24

    Please like, subscribe - and help us take on the establishment media here: patreon.com/owenjones84

    • @tiggero6690
      @tiggero6690 Рік тому +1

      I seem to recall a BBC programme with Victoria Derbyshire where YOU were firmly on the side of the BBC's Panorama 'evidence'. Have to wonder why.

  • @dzddteo4920
    @dzddteo4920 Рік тому +81

    1-How can the BBC get away with this
    2- how do we only hear about this from Aljazeera ?
    British press in a dire state

    • @uniteddreamer
      @uniteddreamer Рік тому

      Because the BBC is run by Tories.

    • @debbief9861
      @debbief9861 Рік тому +11

      There’s a lot that I only ever hear about on alJazeera.

  • @OwenJonesTalks
    @OwenJonesTalks  Рік тому +75

    I am so, so bored of Starmer cultists wailing about anyone who doesn't act like a press officer for the Labour party. I'm an independent political commentator. My job is to tell the truth as I see it. If you don't like it, tough, because I'm going to keep telling the truth however much it annoys you, so suck it up.

    • @skyblazeeterno
      @skyblazeeterno Рік тому +22

      @James Arnold Yes Starmer fanboys are often seen in comments sections basically saying any criticism of Starmer is a vote for the Tories - its utter nonsense of course

    • @douglasmacari8707
      @douglasmacari8707 Рік тому +2

      @jamesarnold7253"But no evidence to say Starmer has anything like that", you say. But, of course there's "no evidence" either to validate the "that" of which you speak. A complete straw-man argument scraped out from the absolute bottom of the Starmer fan-boy barrel.

    • @SuperGilly71
      @SuperGilly71 Рік тому +7

      @James Arnold maybe so… but the lesser of 2 evils is still evil.

    • @chrisbarrow4234
      @chrisbarrow4234 Рік тому

      Truth is though. What choice do people have. You either vote Conservative or you vote Labour. It's a better of two evils senario. If I had my way I wouldn't vote for anyone. But I know not doing this keeps tax avoiding tories in.

    • @uniteddreamer
      @uniteddreamer Рік тому

      @James Arnold Starmer has shown a winning formula, or the Tories have destroyed any vestige of credibility they ever had, that even their media can no longer paper over the cracks? But either way truth and integrity is the victim of this cynical view, that means Labour are willfully being effectively steered by a right wing, billionaire led media agenda. Is that the politics you want?

  • @urbanxhippie6645
    @urbanxhippie6645 Рік тому +54

    Imagine a competent black barrister being commissioned to investigate and write a report on racism and antisemitism within the Labour Party BY the leader of the Labour party only to be completely ignored and somewhat scrutinised once you've published it - what a time to be alive, ey!

  • @bernarddodd9788
    @bernarddodd9788 Рік тому +77

    Oborne is someone on the right, you could have a drink with, debate, disagree, have a laugh in it. Always appreciate his voice and am glad Owen that you invite him on.

  • @cliffjamesmusic
    @cliffjamesmusic Рік тому +11

    Labour is not winning in the polls; the Tories are losing. It’s not the same thing because the relationship is dynamic. Starmer is there merely as non-Corbyn, to tide the things over to the next election and ensure that anything remotely Socialist is marginalised or ignored.

  • @JB_inks
    @JB_inks Рік тому +76

    Pretty sad that James O'Brien is still continuing on his pro Starmer anti Corbyn dialogue despite so much evidence that he's wrong

    • @nigeltrigger4499
      @nigeltrigger4499 Рік тому +1

      Ring him up and call him out then.....? No? Chicken?

    • @JB_inks
      @JB_inks Рік тому

      @@nigeltrigger4499 go away, boring boy

    • @Booglarizemebaby
      @Booglarizemebaby Рік тому +33

      Yes. I'm chicken. I couldn't say what I wanted against JOB. He's a gifted rhetoratician. I also find him rather belligerent and I've heard him unjustifiably shut down reasonable and insightful Corbyn supportes. I prefer Medhi Hasan.

    • @BRMCaptChaos
      @BRMCaptChaos Рік тому +2

      When is he right?

    • @ricksb5
      @ricksb5 Рік тому +8

      James O'Brian still showing how rubbish he is.

  • @time4change878
    @time4change878 Рік тому +46

    Support the BBC. That is Bring Back Corbyn

    • @jamescooke6032
      @jamescooke6032 Рік тому +3

      Yeah let's bring back the guy who had the worst election result for a generation. Let's bring back the guy who had votes of no confidence against him. Let's bring back guy the guy who's led Labour to be the only party to be investigated for racism aside from the bnp.
      You must love the torries mate.

    • @johnstevenson5405
      @johnstevenson5405 Рік тому

      You mean the man that lost to the worst Tory leader of all time. Sensible...very sensible!

    • @Papillion-Man
      @Papillion-Man Рік тому +9

      @@jamescooke6032
      So you didn't watch the video🙄

    • @jamescooke6032
      @jamescooke6032 Рік тому

      @@Papillion-Man I did. What did I say was inaccurate? Which of the following didn't happen under corbyn?
      Biggest tory majority since 87
      Vote of no confidence from Labour mps lost 172-40
      Labour Party in special measures by EHRC
      If you think that is the resume of a success.. You're wrong.

    • @rogerward9684
      @rogerward9684 Рік тому

      ​@@jamescooke6032 Can't you see what actually happened? Because of Jeremy's view on Palestine there was a massive stitch up by the Israeli lobby.. The party is controlled from "Jerusalem" The whole antisemitism BS started to get J.C. booted from his position and party.40 years not one complaint against him. Why have Israel so much control of the party?? Can't you see it?

  • @CharlottePetersRock
    @CharlottePetersRock Рік тому +21

    Richard Sanders says, about the writers of the Leaked Report, "It will destroy their lives". But that is what Labour, especially under Starmer's heirarchy, seems to be intent on doing, to so many Members as well, Rica Bird being one. I view with horror the fact that during 2015-2019, we Members and CLPs, worked so hard and willingly, to get Labour into power, on the back of our magnificent and honest Manifesto, but all the time, as we now see, such people as the current leadership were working so underhandedly, against that hope and need - wrecking lives and democracy for the whole electorate of this country. Just shocking.

  • @caroleuktv
    @caroleuktv Рік тому +27

    @Peter Oborne "the media are not interested the truth any more" NEVER a truer word said than that.

  • @Areflection4
    @Areflection4 Рік тому +11

    Yes, Labour has a hierarchy of racism with Black people at the bottom. The Labour Files were shocking and has definitely made me re-think my 40-year support for Labour.

  • @cdean2789
    @cdean2789 Рік тому +20

    Martin Forde is a real Hero.

  • @mrmr446
    @mrmr446 Рік тому +46

    Doubtless had the report supported Panorama etc. then it would have received widespread coverage.

  • @Sa-hi5nq
    @Sa-hi5nq Рік тому +7

    Thank you for this conversation. Watched The Labour files, trust it more then BBC, wish I could get more people to watch it.
    Feel for Martin Forde KC, to try and have his reputation tarnished as well as the elderly ladies on Panorama.

  • @kieranclarges2514
    @kieranclarges2514 Рік тому +21

    Mr Jones, Thank you for finally addressing this. I find it admirable when journalists are willing to report all news, Not just news that benefits their own narratives. I have updated my previous criticism. Thank you again.

  • @basfinnis
    @basfinnis Рік тому +70

    Owen might have to agree with Alexi Sayle after all then?
    Then again Starmer throws out people who don't agree with his ridiculous authoritarian rule!

    • @skyblazeeterno
      @skyblazeeterno Рік тому +2

      Owen has never been much of a Starmer fan

    • @theredjediknight
      @theredjediknight Рік тому +1

      Starmer takes his Master's lead..

    • @AK-np4rp
      @AK-np4rp Рік тому +4

      ​@@skyblazeeterno He's just been very quick to throw Corbyn uber the bus...just like his Guardian mates

  • @carrroad
    @carrroad Рік тому +61

    I'm fed up of the mainstream media, they report what they want you to know, not what you should know.

  • @Andyreally
    @Andyreally Рік тому +29

    Absolutely excellent discussion, thank you Owen.

  • @lobintool
    @lobintool Рік тому +9

    A text book definition of how to conduct a reasoned philosophical debate. Well done!

  • @mariacrouch7109
    @mariacrouch7109 Рік тому +2

    I think if Kier starmer won't do what's needed to change up this party then he needs to be removed to give labour a fighting chance

  • @yes-me6yg
    @yes-me6yg Рік тому +18

    This was top notch

  • @Kazekou
    @Kazekou Рік тому +14

    My man Sanders dropped an "Uncle Tom" and I'm like.... "He's not wrong"

  • @tiggero6690
    @tiggero6690 Рік тому +2

    I'd sooner trust Diane Abbott than Keir Starmer. She, at least, knows what Labour stands for.

  • @dansonthetube
    @dansonthetube Рік тому +9

    Brilliant stuff OJ 👏

  • @theredjediknight
    @theredjediknight Рік тому +32

    Keith and his Centrist goons don't like their dirty tricks exposed.

    • @bwright227
      @bwright227 Рік тому +2

      Who is Keith?

    • @Paul-eb4jp
      @Paul-eb4jp Рік тому +2

      Even though he commisioned the report?

    • @aidanjohnkelly
      @aidanjohnkelly Рік тому +12

      He didn’t recognise its findings or acknowledge its existence. Unlike the EHRC report, which he amplified and absorbed every word.

    • @falsum2701
      @falsum2701 Рік тому +11

      @@aidanjohnkelly He didn't REALLY absorb every word, since he has been actively, publicly, and unapologetically doing some of the same things that the report condemned Labour for. Notably by interfering politically in disciplinary cases.

    • @M2Mil7er
      @M2Mil7er Рік тому +1

      @@falsum2701 exactly. Additionally, the report said the findings should not be used to stifle free speech, and that Corbyn was legally protected to say what he did in response to it. Not only that, but of the 270 cases in the system, the 'most comprehensive investigation into racism in any political party in history', they selected 70 at random, and found only 2 cases which breached the Equalities Act. It made no criticism of JC, and in conclusion there was no mention of 'institutional AS'. The EHRC findings weren't as damning as the press made it out to be, and The Forde report exonerated JC to a large degree (hence the silence).

  • @spartacusforlife1508
    @spartacusforlife1508 Рік тому +15

    John ware actually interviewed Ella Rose for the panorama show.his lack of due diligence was astounding

  • @corgansmate
    @corgansmate Рік тому +31

    I really don't like starmer, he's the lesser of two evils. I think the election will be for the Tories to lose, not necessarily for labour to win. Just to be clear Tories out.

    • @jake751
      @jake751 Рік тому +24

      I actually think starmer is just as bad as the tories and people are starting to wake up to his lies and empty promises.

    • @puddyvalentine
      @puddyvalentine Рік тому +16

      @@jake751 I have to agree with you....sigh

    • @falsum2701
      @falsum2701 Рік тому +10

      What do you think Starmer will actually do to improve anything?

    • @markwalker2627
      @markwalker2627 Рік тому +1

      Not likely for the Tories to lose more like more content like this stops Labour getting in.

    • @jimmyfaulkner5746
      @jimmyfaulkner5746 Рік тому +5

      Tribalism like this is the reason both parties get away with representing their donors not their constituents. Ffs open your thought process up past the one fed to you

  • @alanmaddison5272
    @alanmaddison5272 Рік тому +13

    Ed Miliband was often involved in complaint cases but Corbyn only did that only exceptionally to speed up decisions when complaints were coming in.

  • @fidomusic
    @fidomusic Рік тому +7

    At last Owen you are covering this thoroughly. I don't just mean the Forde Report, which you did a show about, but also the more general issues touched on by The Labour Files. Thank you.

  • @WW-tg5pu
    @WW-tg5pu Рік тому +6

    Phenomenal discussion. Thank you Owen

  • @dave07drummer
    @dave07drummer Рік тому +27

    hate to say it but this means the labour party is now genuinely unelectable. unseat stammer now.

    • @tenniskinsella7768
      @tenniskinsella7768 Рік тому +8

      Glad prople are starting to see the ight about labour and skarmer

    • @tonymurphy2624
      @tonymurphy2624 Рік тому +2

      @@tenniskinsella7768 Is the missing letter 'l' or 'r'? Either works.

    • @briangingull9641
      @briangingull9641 Рік тому +1

      They are more than electable.

    • @tonymurphy2624
      @tonymurphy2624 Рік тому +7

      @@briangingull9641 Indeed, since they're almost identical to the last lot that got elected.

    • @dave07drummer
      @dave07drummer Рік тому +6

      @@briangingull9641 only if your not expecting any change......

  • @stegemme
    @stegemme Рік тому +19

    vote Green, even if it's only for these local elections, also the unions need to consider just who represents their members. I thought the Stalinist comment was a fair reflection.

  • @nathanbradley4092
    @nathanbradley4092 Рік тому +4

    Thankyou for this!

  • @GregQchi
    @GregQchi Рік тому +5

    Excellent stuff, appreciated.

  • @richm3072
    @richm3072 Рік тому +8

    At a time when it appears absolutely necessary to rid ourselves of the current government, it saddens me that I won't be able to bring myself to vote Labour at the next election

  • @rodmarker2071
    @rodmarker2071 Рік тому +4

    No matter who you vote for the Government always wins

  • @ince55ant
    @ince55ant Рік тому +35

    feels kinda wild to hear this explained like its breaking news when the report has been out for so long.
    (i understand why its resonable and probably required to be reported this way, but still wild nonetheless)

    • @zoundsic
      @zoundsic Рік тому

      Labour masochism approaching elections never fails to deliver something.

  • @robertcollier683
    @robertcollier683 2 місяці тому +1

    this is a case that needs looking into more than ever before. but I also think Sir Keir Starmer also needs to be investigated carefully. this is a very bad outlook for the Labour Party

  • @marktaylor6491
    @marktaylor6491 Рік тому +1

    The two ladies should sue.

  • @1960Reem
    @1960Reem Рік тому +2

    Amazing video thank you

  • @matthewscullion7304
    @matthewscullion7304 2 місяці тому +1

    Thanks

  • @WarrenPeaceOG
    @WarrenPeaceOG Рік тому +13

    Labour is Tories now. Oligarch 'B' Team

  • @chrisc990
    @chrisc990 Рік тому +4

    Owen, please hold your hand up to joining in with the AS smearing and marginalisation of those who were unjustifiably tarnished.

  • @cyberkraut5139
    @cyberkraut5139 Рік тому +3

    Are there only malicious politicians lacking of any integrity in England?
    On both sides of the isle.
    Is there any hope for the better?

  • @awol2602
    @awol2602 Рік тому +1

    Interestingly we don't have B Westerman daring to speak in public in any attempt to back up his (ridiculous) insidious allegation

  • @ishents1
    @ishents1 Рік тому

    Who was Head of BBC at the time?, and who appointed him.
    This is getting ridiculous.

  • @mickmerrifield6583
    @mickmerrifield6583 Рік тому +6

    Excellent vid, even if it has boiled my piss and cemented my disdain for Starmuk and his Tory lite cronies.

  • @DemandBetterEntertainment
    @DemandBetterEntertainment Рік тому +2

    Boosting for democracy

  • @jonathaneffemey944
    @jonathaneffemey944 Рік тому +2

    Thanks for posting

  • @weejockpoopongmcplop
    @weejockpoopongmcplop Рік тому +6

    The idea that it's OK to manipulate a quote because the wider content of the exchange supports the manipulated meaning doesn't really pass the smell test. If the context supports the conclusion they came to, the obvious thing to do would have been to lay out that context.

  • @danrudge5997
    @danrudge5997 Рік тому +1

    "The world's alternative view of the history of the last four years" says a lot more when you scrutinise it.

  • @mariacrouch7109
    @mariacrouch7109 Рік тому

    Why is this not being talked about and why is this QC not being listened too

  • @mariacrouch7109
    @mariacrouch7109 Рік тому

    Well said

  • @lizfuller400
    @lizfuller400 Рік тому +4

    Thanks just when I am really feel depressed you are telling me that Labour has no chance. Really made me depressed.

  • @dannymactheatreoflife.1771
    @dannymactheatreoflife.1771 Рік тому

    Who the hell do we vote for 😤

  • @mariacrouch7109
    @mariacrouch7109 Рік тому

    This is important and this forde report by Martin forde QC should have Merritt

  • @sonpacho
    @sonpacho 11 місяців тому +1

    Why would asking someone if they're from Israel be anti-semitic?

    • @kaboomblueskies
      @kaboomblueskies 6 місяців тому +1

      Asking somebody if they're Irish is also antisemitic. Asking anybody with a country whose name begins with an I is antisemitic. It is totally understandable that asking any questions about totally unrelated subjects is antisemitic. This is similar to carpet bombing highly populated targets in that it means you are always going to get someone with every bomb, just like you are going to get an antisemite sometime when you make that accusation.

    • @chriswatson3464
      @chriswatson3464 2 місяці тому

      She asked which branch, are you from? She even recorded it.

  • @marktucker208
    @marktucker208 Рік тому +1

    And what about Starmer and his tax deal?

  • @LLLewelyn
    @LLLewelyn Рік тому +1

    Starmer is clearly Blair's proxy (didn't they both attended Davos this year) and Corbyn was a direct threat to Blair's influence that tragically remains strong to this day. I think the only way Labour will regain power is to u-turn Blair's action to absolve the socialist party status, based on his credule vision that actually has narrowed the political spectrum and dismissed traditional Labour working class voice.

  • @Antoniowebtube
    @Antoniowebtube Рік тому +3

    Interesting chat Owen. But for how long we are going to keep debating about the useless neoliberal Labor party? When people like you, Corbin and so many others have the courage to create a new alternative organization or party ? I think Momentum was a great idea and a lost opportunity to do that. Congratulations for your podcast.

  • @hughcaskey9542
    @hughcaskey9542 Рік тому +1

    At last someone tells the truth about labour

  • @tomwaller6893
    @tomwaller6893 Рік тому +8

    Long live the Republic of Scotland, the EU's newest nation-state. We could not have done it without tweedle dum - The hard Brexit English/British nationalist party called LABOUR

  • @cdean2789
    @cdean2789 Рік тому +1

    End Apartheid now

  • @katherinecollins4685
    @katherinecollins4685 Рік тому

    Very informative

  • @mariacrouch7109
    @mariacrouch7109 Рік тому

    NEC arnt fit for purpose and should be dismantled even the leader of this party should be replaced as this is all the ing very toxic indeed

  • @doreenhollywood7459
    @doreenhollywood7459 11 днів тому

    There is a female journalist at present under house arrest (Sarah Wilkinson) I think and she may end up with a 5 year prison sentence. She was reporting from Gaza and doing some charity work.

  • @AK-np4rp
    @AK-np4rp Рік тому +3

    No, Owen. Asking if someone from a political faction of the Labour party is from Israel is not an antisemitic trope. That's just nonsense. You might want to watch Al Jazeera's other film: The Lobby. You are being disingenuous if you deny that Israel meddles in US and UK politics.

    • @AK-np4rp
      @AK-np4rp Рік тому

      @Dean Clark Yes, I am well aware of that. However, Owen said that if they had asked if he was Israel it would be an antisemitic trope. Watch the video again.

  • @moshemankoff7488
    @moshemankoff7488 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @guyforceuk
    @guyforceuk Рік тому +4

    I posted this before watching the whole video.

  • @htlein
    @htlein Рік тому +1

    FACT the two party system ides this type of government behaviour. Still a school boy's playground and NOT a government and certainly NOT democratic. Best advice - make it law that only competent women may become MP's

  • @ahartify
    @ahartify Рік тому +1

    So Putin is okay then and should be let off?

  • @susanmaryjohnston1339
    @susanmaryjohnston1339 Рік тому

    Keep going All

  • @mariacrouch7109
    @mariacrouch7109 Рік тому

    WHY IS QC MARTAIN FORDES REPORT BEING IGNORED AND WHY IS THE EHRC NOT TAKEING THIS ON BOARD AND THE PARLIMENTRY COMMITEE NOT QUESTIONING ALL THOSE INVOLVED

  • @cdean2789
    @cdean2789 Рік тому

    Starmer called BLM a 'moment'.

  • @stephenkerensky710
    @stephenkerensky710 Рік тому +2

    What I don`t understand is why it`s considered racist to ask people about their family origins. The problem seems to be that what is central to any discussion about Israel & Palestine is political extremism, whether it affects Israelis or Palesitinians. This is precisely what no-one wants to talk about. It seems reasonable to ske people what their posdition is, in relation to the extremeists. There is a similar disjunction on statements about Russia in either the pre-or post-Soviet period but there appears to be no interest at all in objective discussion of facts or opinions of the issues involved.

    • @AK-np4rp
      @AK-np4rp Рік тому +1

      Agreed

    • @fidomusic
      @fidomusic Рік тому +2

      It's not about extremism, it's about settler/colonialism and apartheid.

  • @scottb32a
    @scottb32a Рік тому +3

    Owen , whats happened to your old mate Russell Brand ? Are the right blackmailing him ?

  • @cdean2789
    @cdean2789 Рік тому +2

    Forde D-notice

  • @jascough
    @jascough Рік тому +3

    "In the days that have followed Jeremy Corbyn’s offensive Facebook post coming to public attention, there has been outrage from what appear to be two distinct camps. Some Labour members are deeply troubled by the situation, while others argue ignorantly that the Labour leader has done nothing wrong." Michael Segalov on the mural.

    • @AK-np4rp
      @AK-np4rp Рік тому +5

      Red Herring. Nice try.

    • @uniteddreamer
      @uniteddreamer Рік тому +5

      The one that he commented on, not shared, but apologised nonetheless? That one?

  • @annenunney9907
    @annenunney9907 Рік тому

    It might be inconvenient but it is the truth

  • @alistair1888
    @alistair1888 Рік тому +5

    in our nation the choice is labour or conservative and after these years of tory govt. any change is needed

    • @tenniskinsella7768
      @tenniskinsella7768 Рік тому +1

      Alistair but not labpur

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 Рік тому +1

      All depends if you think racism and bullying are
      1 not important
      2 will remain hidden until after the next General Election

    • @tonymurphy2624
      @tonymurphy2624 Рік тому +3

      starmer doesn't represent change.

    • @briangingull9641
      @briangingull9641 Рік тому

      @@julianshepherd2038 You are copy and pasting this in reply to several comments and it's deliberately dishonest and manipulative, stop posting it Julian. It's pathetic.

    • @skyblazeeterno
      @skyblazeeterno Рік тому +1

      Nation? surely you forget that Scotland has jettisoned both Tories AND Labour

  • @rogerward9684
    @rogerward9684 Рік тому +5

    What took you so long to report on this? Felt kinda sinister why you ignored for so long! There's not many left leaning commentators with a sizable Audience, hope you've come to your senses now

    • @OwenJonesTalks
      @OwenJonesTalks  Рік тому +1

      I did a whole show on the Forde Report literally the day it came out?

    • @fidomusic
      @fidomusic Рік тому +2

      @@OwenJonesTalks But not The Labour Files

    • @lizshephard2964
      @lizshephard2964 Рік тому +1

      And you ignored the leaked report!

  • @seewhatifound
    @seewhatifound Рік тому

    If it's damning on Starmer ...just imagine what it was under Corbyn

  • @happinesstan
    @happinesstan Рік тому

    Is that a Howard Hodgkin in the corner?

  • @dexbarry7715
    @dexbarry7715 Рік тому +19

    Well there’s nothing like giving the worst government in living memory some ammunition.

    • @falsum2701
      @falsum2701 Рік тому +22

      Funnily enough the worst government in living memory was a Labour government. Just ask the average Iraqi.

    • @bwright227
      @bwright227 Рік тому +4

      ​@@falsum2701 nothing funny about that

    • @cheekyboy5000
      @cheekyboy5000 Рік тому

      They're racist and so is the press. The people they're catering to are racist and unlikely to care about racism in the labour party.

    • @rossmcatasney8209
      @rossmcatasney8209 Рік тому +12

      ​@@bwright227 I don't think he was trying to be funny...

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 Рік тому

      You think the Daily Mail don't have this on file?
      You think they won't use it when it is most effective, probably the next General Election?
      Are you cool with racism I the Labour Party?
      No wonder I vote Scottish Green now.

  • @aaronvalerio9253
    @aaronvalerio9253 Рік тому +2

    The Original Arts Hole Vs Plymouth city council and the broader support and education services -the culmination of a ten year legal Battle against one of the funniest little local authorities in the land
    Exhibition and workshop series of 2023
    A fine example of why it's probably better to just have a functioning complaints and accountability procedure x

  • @david-no6xl
    @david-no6xl Рік тому +6

    First of all kudos to Starmer for choosing Martin Forde to do the report, he must have know Forde is not a yes man. Sad if Starmer has not fully engaged with Forde on this, but form the media that I've read is that Starmer is dealing with issue raised. As for Corbyn, nice person, great manifesto , hes not antisemitic but hes not a leader.either, i doubt if he has the strength of character to be leader. You need to understand also that Labour members that I know, and i am as well, absolutely disgusted by the way the Israeli government treat Palestinians, that in itself causes friction within the party. Before i get called an anti-Semite I firmly believe in the two state solution and that the international community should pressure both Israel and Palestinians to implement the agreement.

    • @Booglarizemebaby
      @Booglarizemebaby Рік тому +12

      He'd of stood a better chance of his party had got around him to support his transforative message. As it was they rejected him and in so doing held the membership and those in our country who would have benefitted from a Labour govnt in contempt.

  • @shawnross7169
    @shawnross7169 Рік тому

    Jewsy Smollet comes to mind. See what I did there? 😂

  • @ashleywilson2072
    @ashleywilson2072 Рік тому

    Get the socialists out of Labour. Keir needs Tory votes. Simple.

  • @theo610
    @theo610 Рік тому +3

    Fantastic work

  • @butterflyKiss604
    @butterflyKiss604 Рік тому +1

    Relax Owen mate. Labours lead although large is still a mid-term lead and if inflation falls we may still get the Conservative Govt you want next election.

  • @malcolmpalmer
    @malcolmpalmer Рік тому +3

    Oh for Tony Benn or Neil Kinnock!

  • @paulgibbons2320
    @paulgibbons2320 Рік тому

    Headless chicken.

  • @worship568
    @worship568 Рік тому

    Something surprising ive fould out is that the singer Jessie Ware is John Wares daughter

  • @dalskiBo
    @dalskiBo Рік тому

    Why was a barrister commissioned to do a report? Is this not him hiring his mates? Surely there are better qualified people to carry out these kind of reports?

  • @franky4984
    @franky4984 Рік тому +1

    Who's the guy that was making those claims in the Panorama program?

  • @alshort752
    @alshort752 Рік тому +1

    Hmmmmm........

  • @nxu5107
    @nxu5107 Рік тому +1

    Oh no. Starman has a thicker skin than Sir Mark Rowley. He is wearing robes donated by Blair.

  • @mahmoudelkholy8719
    @mahmoudelkholy8719 2 місяці тому +1

    Up

  • @chriswatson3464
    @chriswatson3464 2 місяці тому

    Hello algorithm

  • @spartacusforlife1508
    @spartacusforlife1508 Рік тому +2

    Not so damning if BBC and other mainstream media are not covering it

    • @skyblazeeterno
      @skyblazeeterno Рік тому

      Starmer is obviously the establishment shoe in for the next election