Making Mail Armour - part two: triangles and expansions
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In this second video on making mail, I first tell you why I often make it one triangular piece at a time, and then go on to show you how to do the easier and more useful type of contraction/expansion: that 'with the grain'.
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Making Mail Armour - part two: triangles and expansions
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Gotta admit my first thought when I read mail armour and triangles was "Oh no Llyod's making a chain mail bikini"
+Daniel Taylor
bolted onto some soft leather that might be quite comfortable
+Daniel Taylor You, sir, made my day. You really need more upvotes but at least you have to stay at the top of the comments...
+Daniel Taylor That would also explain the 'expainsions'
+Daniel Taylor There's only one fun part about making a chain mail bikini, and that's making the personal finishing adjustments to get that perfect fit. It's less fun if the person you're making it for isn't your wife, and a lot less fun if that person isn't your wife and your wife finds out about it.
willythemailboy2 You mean it's a lot *more* fun if that person isn't your wife and your wife *doesn't* find out about it
It's just like knitting. For men =P
+Ze Rubenator Manly knitting. In steel!
It's just like knitting, but it will shred your fingers.
+chrthiel Now i want to knit a mail.... give me some god damn steel-wire and the strongest knitting-needles you got !
It's a lot more similar to crochet in my opinion.
Also bought me and my father knit/crochet.
Now imagine welding or riveting every single one of the rings!
+Jim Fortune He doesn't plan on getting stabbed any time soon so it's not necessary, Maybe He will for recreational purposes.
+Jim Fortune I have. I found riveting to be quicker and easier than welding or soldering, as well as being less dangerous. my hands are far more impact resistant than heat resistant.
PsylomeAlpha I salute your patience and dedication! How long did it take?
Jim Fortune
not done yet. the punch I was using to poke holes for the rivets snapped off and I've been rather low on money as of late. all I know is that with my current tools it took me about two hours to weld one ring, another hour to solder another, and about five minutes to figure out how to rivet one properly. the riveting was down to about one to two rings a minute when the punch broke.
PsylomeAlpha Whoa slow down there! You might hurt Your self at that speed.
'A satisfying click' - Never have I heard a more accurate description. I kept thinking this in part one, and I'm glad Lindy agrees.
+TheErebusGaming My thoughts exactly.
Like bursting bubble wrap but you actually achieve something.
when riveting there is an even more satisfying click.😃
Your patience is almost Saint-like. You could say you have the patience of a Saint. Why are Saints patient, you might ask? Well, we still don't know, but the answer will eventually come.
+yellowfolder Because they are acted upon by the evils of the world. That is why they are the patient and not the agent. :P
+Alexander Salt Among the evils of the world is ruining a perfectly good joke.
Zap Gun Well I didn't get the joke, so there's that.
+yellowfolder greeting the shuffling, fetid, moronic masses with a gracious smile.
yellowfolder But only f you are patient enough for it.
Damn you, I have enough time consuming hobbies and unfinished projects, and now I want to make mail as well...
+Simon Als Nielsen Making a full piece of armor is indeed veryyyy long. But you can make a small square of mail in a week-end and then play with if. It's a very funny and weird texture, and you don't have to invest in any expensive tools. Just 2 pliers (I highly recomment to get smaller ones than in the video), a cutting plier, a steel rod and some wire ;)
Sounds like a good way to try it out (just have a little coke and see if it is for me :-P)
But seriously; cool videos, I think I will try it out :-)
+Simon Als Nielsen I need to buy a new punch so I can get back to riveting the mail.
LycharVideo
So needle nose pliers?
the more the better
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I imagine Lloyd getting hundreds of pics of chainmail in 9 months and wondering what it is all about.
"Send me pictures of your finished items."
Several months later...
I don't think I have the patience for something like this.
I don't think I have the intelligence for something like this.
+Dominic G Thats somewhat of a grandmothers hobby rather than a fun way to spend time.
+Dominic G You'd be surprised - just do it while watching TV or something.
+Dominic G I already make gundams, I think I can manage this.
+crunchy joe I make Gundam models too! Nub removal and cleaning is a pain in the ass honestly. I prefer the construction and painting part of building a model. Sometimes I wish Bandai would just mold individual pieces nub-free but that would raise the cost of a single model to asinine amounts!
LOL this reminds me of my DnD days where I made a ring mail out of paper clips.
+Lindybeige Here is a tip for you and others about expansions/contractions. That ring in the middle that only connects to three rings works a lot better if it smaller than the rings in the rest of the pattern. If you are using 5/16" rings than use a 1/4" ring in the middle. This does two things, first: looks better because it blends in; and second: that ring is now load bearing instead of just dangling there filling in space.
Thanks, I started doing this because of your comment and it indeed looks better!
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gg Lindy
Because who doesn't like chainmail?
+jack lind Someone fixed that for you :P
I finally ordered the hoops to make my first one! Can't wait to start!!!
would be nice to know how expensive all those links are
+JayMdh I had them made for me in the 1990s, and have forgotten.
+JayMdh i have made them quite cheaply but it requires a few things you may not have on hand, an automatic drill, an iron rod of the right diameter, and tough steel wire preferably of a material that can be hardenen, and a blowtorch or bunzenburner kindof thing.
i just atached the thin metal rods wich i ordered out of the cheapest toolsteel that can be quenched, kept it hot with the blowtorch and wound it around the metal rod and wen it was full i just took an anglegrinder but a chissel might work fine and cut the mall at once and i had a bunch of little rings wich then could be quenched wich is easy given the small size, lot of work but the steel isnt so expensive
+JayMdh As Arian Wijkstra described.. I used to make links using 16 gauge steel wire tightly coiled around a solid brass rod about the thickness of a standard full size screwdriver shaft. The brass rod was bent at one end into a hand crank.. the rod was then inserted into a wooden frame with 2 uprights. The uprights had 2 holes drilled thru just big enough to insert and hold the rod snug. I then had a small hole drilled thru the brass rod near the crank end just big enough to insert the steel wire.. (having a dentist for a father came in handy for this step.. small diamond drill bits etc) then holding the wire in one hand.. the other on the crank... crank away til the rod is full. cut the wire.. then using nippers.. cut the resulting coil apart and you have a pile of rings ready for the next step.
+JayMdh You can buy ready made links from theringlord.com/ BUT be warned, there are a lot of options, and some are cheap, those cheap options are more for decoration then to be combat grade. Expect to spend up to $300 or mote for all the links needed to make a project.
+JayMdh Ringlord.com sells chainmail links online. He said there were about 15,000 links with 6mm inner diameter. For the estimate we'll use mild steel since that's what many people use, though he used slightly different metal for his. That gives us a ballpark estimate of a little over $100 for the links.
Lloyd, are there any historical evidence that people used armor made from wood?
Let's say a gambeson style armor reinforced with wood pieces, wouldn't it be effective?
+Scout887 The evidence is poor. I've heard of eastern lamellar, and armour of Pacific islanders etc., but not of medieval Europe. I've often had the same thought - a pauldron could be made of wood.
+Scout887 There lots of historical evidence for wooden armour,
The Tlingit of alaska made wooden vests and helmets.
An odd note is that the Tlingit had proper ring mail made from Chinese coins that they got from Boston sea merchants in exchange for sea otter pelts.
+Lindybeige Could that be a survivor bias problem? Steel armour seems more likely to be preserved than wooden armour.
+Scout887 I've heared of bamboo woven in (increases the cut resistance). I guess wood splinters too fast and protects less than an equal mass of textile (which is then probably 3x as thick).
+Lindybeige I would imagine someone might tie a shield to their chest and stuff an old blanket or clothes behind it, if they needed to protect their chest. I don't see why it would be documented.
I decided to try making a hauberk from 6in1 maille, and have one suggestion for others wishing to do the same... Don't do it. Simple 4in1 is much faster and provides nearly the same protection with more flexibility
My rings disappeared in a burglary (must have been a very specialised burglar). I didn't want to start over so I just played music instead. You can have a listen at the next Visby thingy, week 32 next year and decide if you think I made the right choice..
+Martin Ahlman I don't know what to do, I feel silly thumbing up Your comment because well- "I got robbed" -You say "Great I like that"-Me, silly.
Thank you! That was the clearest explanation of expansions and contractions I've found. I just picked up the hobby and there are 1000s of videos on people's various methods of assembling 4-1, 6-1, etc but very few good explanations of actually shaping it into anything
I love your videos, Lindybeige! Much more entertaining than all of that crap we got on TV here in Germany...
Just imagine how much work it is to make riveted mail. Trying to rivet every single link, one at a time...would drive me mad. Or bore me to tears.
I started once. I was using dreadfully large copper rings and was too young to have the patience to make it particularly far. Maybe after a few other projects, I will get around to trying it again after these couple videos.
I've been working on a bernie for about a year and a half (I'm quite big) and realised halfway through that I'm an idiot and had the grain going side to side rather than up and down. I opened it up and turned it round to make it more right, but that was pretty demoralising because rather than a fetching chain mail boob tube, I now have a pile of mail that won't go on me (yet). Ah well, you live and learn.
Do you not find it faster to do the adding one new link with two closed links already attached to it? So each time you add to your piece you add 3 links then go along and close them up. (If that makes sense).
Another good morale booster (assuming a simple-ish european weave of maile, like 4-in-1 or 6-in-1) is to pre-butt half of your links, which makes everything seem to go much faster. For every link you actually close onto the finished coif, you can add another that's already closed, making yourself think you're going much faster than you actually are.
It's also easier to avoid sharp protruding edges when the link you're closing isnt hooked into a 20 pound mass of constantly shifting metal.
You can pre-open butted links in huge batches swiftly.
Take the coil before you cut it. Grab each end and pull the coil out to a bit over twice its original length. That's about 200 links all opened up in about two seconds. Cut these stretched links off the stretched coil just as you would an ordinary coil. Store separately from your raw or preclosed links, for they tangle.
Do this with about half your supply of wire coils, as about half your links need to be preopened and you preclose the other half.
This is something I could get into. This might sound a bit strange, but I'm rather fond of excessively repetitive tasks. As Lindy mentioned this in his first 'Making Mail' video, there's something very therapeutic about work like this. It's one of those things where you get comfortable, queue up a view UA-cam videos, and spend the next few hours doing. The best part is that at the end of it all you're left with a very tangible result. A completed piece of mail is something that you can hold, something that you can wear, and then reflect on and go, "Holy cow, I made this!" *That* is a satisfying feeling.
+StrunDoNhor I can't agree more. If you have an office work, making mail at the end of the day can be very relaxing once you have a little experience (and don't have to think of what you are doing any more)
Very informative. You also have the patience of a saint. How you can go from ranting in one video to knitting steel in another is well lifted from mere mortal coils.
For heaven's sake Lloyd can't you find some needle nose or at least smaller size pliers? Doing minutious work with those things seems extremely cumbersome. And as an aside, wouldn't opening a whole bunch of links beforehand make it a faster process, doing the linking all at once?
How did you cut the rings to develop such a shape of wire end to have this "satisfying click"?
You can do it with the cut that bolt-cutters give, like >
I just watched Knyght Errant's video on mail shirts the other day. He talked about how, unlike cheaper modern ones, historical mail shirts were tailored, and I was just wondering how to do expansions and contractions when this video popped up. Cool!
+Danny Eisenga My website is much clearer on this.
Hello, Lloyd, as a maille weaver and vendor I can see the point of visible progress while working on something as large as a byrnie or hauberk. When I made my hauberk I made rectangular patches, then stitched them together. It was kind of disappointing to only be able to wear it after month straight of work. However, I find that linking one ring at a time takes a lot longer.
Legit some of the best info I've found on this subject. Cheers man
Morale is definitely important, else you'll just give up. Making triangles is also rather useful if you would rather not do a lot of expansions or contractions, as it gives you the opportunity to use 45 degree joins instead. I find this quite useful for doing coif skirts and non traditional raglan style shoulders.
+morallyambiguousnet Yep, And it's definitely a technique one have to master in order to make many tricky pieces of a hauberk (like the sleeves joints)
+morallyambiguousnet I find if I have some music or people talking with/near me I can keep going and going and going.
Ó Slatraigh For me it's TV or streaming/UA-cam video.
morallyambiguousnet That too.
Whoa! No; not 45 degree joins. Expansion triangles zip together with expanses of plain weave in the ordinary 4-1 fashion -- because all the tricky stuff is confined to the central parts of the triangle while the triangle's sides and base all join up regular like.
45 degree join is something entirely different, an oblique line of 3-1 mail-units.
Triangles are also completely flexible as to whether you want a very narrow triangle or a very broad one, spreading very wide.
Would it be better with long-nosed pliers?
I'm gonna expand your triangle
I wondered what those triangle bits were. I thought you were trying to follow a knitted hat with ear muffs.
I did a little mailing years ago, I made smaller things, but I liked doing a 6in1 or 8in2 pattern. Ever try them? or have any other thoughts about them?
you know you could try the traditional 4 in 1 mail unit, then make a section the add that section to your shirt. because i think doing it one ring at a time is going to take a very long time.
It's like knitting for scruffy men. Or scruffy women, I don't mean to be exclusive.
For those interested in making maile for protection. butter mail is not giving you any protection whatsoever. you would need flat riveted mail
i tried baking some rings in the oven on 250C for 30 minutes to see if they would overlap like you say but nothing happened. They were aluminium though. Is this something that only works for steel? Sorry new to this
Lindybeige.. I've really been enjoying all you vids the past few days. discovered you randomly searching for something ancient greece related.. very informative.. and funny in that Brit Humor way that most Americans can't understand..
Very good video! Finally, I understand how to expand or short a chainmail armour. THANKS!
I am unsure, but when did chainmail did get arms? I heard, the the Celts did not had had any chainmail with ans arms at all (neither long nor short once). And then I heard too, that these "constractions and expantions did come up in the late Middle ages. is this true? Because I looked around in my books but cannot find a source or anything to prove/disprove these theories! Please help!
I was just thinking. I know, dangerous thing, but I am not very good with mail. I am, however, good at basket weaving. Was there ever any culture that made grass armor? I never heard of grass armor before. I know paper armor exists. Hum, I should try looking that up.
I can sometimes enjoy monotone tasks, but making chainmail just isn´t made for me. I could maybe get a rectangle, but as soon as it comes to shaping that thing, I know I would eventually mess it up at some point. And I´d probably only realize it after a while which could render hours of work moot, frustrating me beyong believe.
I´ll just stick with my occasional sewing and leatherworking.
Abit dissapointed if I may say so!
Was expecting something more like "So get Linking, send me links of your links when you have linked them together to links!"
But great videos! :D
Mr. L: Could you please do a video on how to properly perform hari kari? That bit of knowledge will come in handy if, through some simprobable series of events, I find myself in danger of being forced to make mail. Such coercion is unlikely, its true, but as the scenario cannot be called absolutely impossible, Id like to err on the side of caution and learn how to quickly and effectively stab/disembowel myself. Slow, amateurish self-inflicted eviseration being a less painful way to spend an afternoon than mail making, I would argue.
I'm still working up the motivation to spend a few weeks making a mail hauberk for myself.
I suppose by now you've found it takes more like a few months, from roll of wire to hauberk.
What a waste of time and resources. If i was i the 13/15 century(s) I would just buy some cloth, tell my mom to make me a gambeson, do my best to buy some plates of iron and tie those pieces to the gambeson in the best way possible... Also i think... Depending on the weather i would make a bow and hunt some animals just to cover everything in pieces of leather.
But what about making chainmail...WITH KEYRINGS?
I've done a mail-shirt earlier, short sleeves so basically it looks like a chain mail nightgown, or a very long steel t-shirt.
But we used a springy kind of steel and pliers that slightly opened them up and let the natural steel in the ring have it shut itself. Not nearly as secure as the above type of rings, and snags a fair bit easier. But that type is much, much quicker to build, since you can fasten each ring with only one hand and pick up the rings with the pliers themselves.
We basically did 4-in-1 - pattern as above, and saw too it that we would have the the connections horizontally. That is, you start with a vertical row of rings, add another vertical row connecting each ring to two, then another, etc. When worn with that orientation, the mail has a straight in the horizontal, and hangs tight in the vertical, which makes it look a fair bit denser. Now, you could always either make it of thicker rings (harder), or use a 6-in-1-patter(much harder). Both of those would make it heavier and thicker. But unless you actually need the protection, quite unnecessary.
We basically build 25 cm large squares or ribbons and then fastened them together in certain patterns together with triangles to get it it into shape. But then, being 5 people working together, doing ribbons, makes one mail decently quick. Basically you can build a full mail-shirt in an evening, or evening and a night before you go to a live with it.
A challenging for the mathematically-inclined who also enjoy taking 150 hours to create pieces of mail: create a set of Borromean mail.
In this kind of standard mail, if you take any two rings, and throw out all the rest, those two might be totally separate, but they might join one another in a 'Hopf link.' Those are the only two options. But in a Borromean link, if you take two of the circles involved, and get rid of the rest of them, no pair will be linked. For an example of the simplest case, you can do a search for the Borromean rings.
I once got some chainmail armor in a $15 grab bag at an import shop. Of course, it was terrible quality. Huge links that pricks your skin like crazy just holding it.
And guess what area the two pieces covered?
Well, it was a chainmail bra and underwear. It was painful to imagine wearing. So we sent it to a family friend as a joke.
I developed a different workflow, one that might be a bit harder on morale, but is more effective overall. First, I prepare a plenty of closed rings and then I link every four of them together with another ring (so that I have a cluster of five rings - 4in1). I then make a chain out of those clusters, where every other link comprises not one, but to rings (I take two clusters, grab two outer rings of each one and drive a ring through all of them, then I add another cluster in the same way and so on). I make two such chains, put them together so they overlap like the finished mail and start linking them with more rings, then I add another chain and continue until I have a large enough piece of mail. This is also when you can add extensions if you need any. I make same-sized patches of mail that I later connect together; it's far more convenient than working with one large and heavy piece of mail.
Linking mail is a bit difficult to describe with word, especially if you have to use foreign language. Maybe I could make a video of it.
I don't have anything finished, just a couple of rows of rings stuck together. Was supposed to do more, but me and a friend roll our own coils and clip the rings down to size, and I haven't got anything to make the coil out of at the moment.. :(
So no pictures as of yet, unless you just want to see a bunch of rings.
totally honest. In my own projects. I might do 1 straight line as a starting point, or something to set the length (like start with a chain belt, and then expand up and down to make the shirt and whatnot.)
Trying to link 2 completed lines together is a nightmare, and takes a literal eternity (is also significantly harder for riveted mail)
Triangle method is actually the best 1, yet sadly no guides on say Instructables show it (and I wasted a hell of a lot of time, and effort on several early projects... doing it "wrong")
I made a byrnie out of fencing clips, mine is more for decoration and was made for an Easter pageant. If you need one for more serious role/historical re-enactment etc I would not go down this rout as the links are quite soft (and large), although the wire is zinc plated and shiny. Not sure how to send in a photo. Cheers and thanks for the vidios.
Is there any way of contacting the company that sent you your mail rings? I would very much like to try and get into this hobby, but if I do something like this, I'd dang well like to do it correct with good-quality materials.
Did may coif a little bit different. First I made round top that covered my head like a tupee. For this round piece I added 6 expansion rings for each row.
The part for the sides and back of my head was a simple rectangle. The part for my neck also was a rectangle that was slightly longer than the first one, but a little bit thinner.
Then I added the piece that would cover the part between neck and shoulder using expansion rings for each row again.
Hi Lindybeige, assuming you make your own ring from a wire, what particular technique do you use to cut them ? They look like you cut them one by one with pliers, is that so ? Also thank you for the oven trick, I had never heard of that technique but I am eager to try it out!
I weld my rings shut in situ. Works and looks brilliant... And ridiculously strong...
My sister does chainmail, and she would be groaning at what pliers you're using. Also that your using machine cut rings, not saw cut rings, but that's just because she does it more artistically than for protection, so...
you could go abit faster if not opening all the rings, just the ones that need opening. If you start with a single row of linking ring, then you only need to open half the rings of that row. then you make the 3th row the same way, and you link them together with the 2th row (on wich you have to open all the rings to be able to link row 1 and 3 to it). so overal you only have to open 2/3 of the rings (and some extra when combining surfaces, but still you save yourself quite some work)
Just to say about your browning point, you can get the same effect without browned links by simply bend the links inwards slightly as you open them. This way the links click together in the right way.
I have dabbled a bit in making mail stuff, but I haven't gotten hold of any decent quality rings. Perhaps one day. Having a byrnie would be a nice way to counter being stabbed in the gut by nazis at a bus stop.
Working in triangles... with holes... Illuminatis confirmed, and a triangle has 3 sides, and 3 inner angles so... no, half life 3 is not confirmed
Kind of like crocheting a mail afghan, I suppose.
I wonder if one could make a mail bow tie...
This is kinda hard actually.. I am either really stupid, or the beginning is always impossible.
I'll probably never make mail living where I do and doing what I do, but I still enjoy these videos for some weird reason :)
i see it so often in games that chainmail is worn sideways, with the links going up and down instead of left and right. it really just bugs me... but i only know the difference because i too once tried to make a mail shirt. i made a fair bit, but i ran out of free time. now, i use a larger piece as an a4-sized table-mat for when i'm eating at my computer, and a smaller piece as a coaster.
maybe one day i'll make the other 90%.
does anyone have any sources to buy browned mail links? or a suplierthey have previously used. somone should start a fb page for people who want to buy links in bulk and split them... just not me
It occurs to me that the mathematics of mail construction is the same as carbon nanotube and fullerene structure - links with hexagonal symmetry are flat, like graphene, while contractions are pentagonal and have the shape of an icosahedron corner (think 20 sided die) seen in buckminsterfullerene and expansions have heptagonal symmetry and cause saddle shapes that are seen in more exotic fullerenes.
I remember back in one of your other chain mail videos you said that armpits are typically ignored. Care to show the people of Hollywood how it's done?
It's called a dart, not a triangle. D'ya like dags?
Lindybeige, assuming you are using steel, won't heating it to such temperature without cooling it imidiately make it much more soft?
Now uhm... would you do us the favor and try actually knitting a mail with some steel-wire? :P
I have a handmade butted coif. It's a lot stronger than i thought it would be. i've only lost a few rings from it, and it's an easy repair. I would suggest a soft leather trim around the face and around the bottom neck.
I have so far made myself a pair of chainmail Hosens, coif, a simpler haubergeon and a pair of mittens and I can only agree with the moral boasting effect of triangles, I did however make one and expanded it sideways rather than make a lot of them and then connect them. However seeing the speed you are working in works wonders.
I made one of those little patches you displayed in your first chainmail video and I have some coils of electric fence wire and a steel rod that I eventually plan on turning into links. But I procrastinate like you wouldn't believe.
Hello,
seeing this part, I understand now why you find it difficult to link several parts together : your pliers! They are really big.
With some thinner pliers (half the width of yours) it's a piece ok cake ;)
+LycharVideo yeah, I bought pliers specifically for that and ground them into shape myself and didn't regret it in the slightest! you usually have to start with pliers the size of those in the video to get a sturdy enough hinge for that thick of a ring, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't make needle-snub-nose pliers.
i figured half of this out by myself with a bic pen and micro pliers.
im going to check out the rest of your tips and see if i cant conquor armpts.
Does anyone know a good website to buy mail rings off of? I would like to get into this as I love incredibly tedious and boring projects.
You be careful with that tripod handle, you'll have en eye out if you're not careful. Or is that what the coif is being made for?
Mr. Beige, would you share with us your source for these rings? I've seen people use a power drill to wrap wire around a dowel, but it seems strictly superior to have a manufacturer of some sort for that bit.
I do definitely not have the patience to do this. However, I'm very glad you do, so I can watch you do it instead of doing it myself.
Apparently I have been waiting since Nov 27th for the third mail video :p
Use either a pair of needle nose, or mig welding pliers. Lineman's pliers work, but the former two are more dexterous at manipulating the rings.
This would be useful for paintball armor
Lindy, you could solder those links very easily and have a mail that will actually provide defense against real historical weapons.
I am completely and utterly confused, it looks really hard to actually know where to link 2, 3, 4, 5.
I am currently trying to make a Coif. I have tried like a dozen times with several different styles. I like the way the round and round top looks better than the 6 triangles that I have seen stitched together. I get the idea of expansions but I seem to lose my place all the time. so one side of the pattern looks bigger than the other. Do you have any pointers? I didn't see that you had a video of the very top of the coif.
I will try this, and I can Guarantee that I will screw it up, either by not knowing if I should be using an expansion or not or just the wrong shape
So ik now that you can get wire and make rings yourself. But im a bit too lazy for that.
I was wondering if anyone knows where i could get my hands om some rings.
seeing how i kinda skipped through this video instead of watching it all the way through, i definitely have no patience for making chain mail gear. thanks for the info anyways
can this technique for making chainmail armor be used for making a mail glove that butchers use for cutting meats and fish? just curious because i am a bit more of a craftsman when it can save me money on the finished product.
wait a minute where ´s your silver play button?
I find making panels or triangles and when you go to make something like a shirt you just join panels required together
Suggestion. I generally use 6 inch needle nose pliers instead the pliers you use. Good idea on the baking.
What do you think of the fighting style in Kingdom Come Deliverance ?
About 25 years ago I knitted a mail shirt, once is enough, never again :-) whenever anyone put it on they developed a strange urge to stab themselves with any nearby sharp metal object
+Oracojisan lol, I got to about the point where it was a mail apron before deciding I'd restart because I wanted to rivet it and because I screwed up the weave a bit, but that still resulted in the "stabbing self with the nearest pointy object" phenomenon.
All this talk of triangles...tri-triangles must fight it! MUST RESIST THE URGE! Illuminati confirmed!!! △△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△△
Are those the pliers you use in Built for the Stone Age, when demonstrating a double standard?