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Unironically 6v6 is the solution, 5v5 forces so much attention on one tank that antinade actually became such an enormous balancing issue that it justified kiriko's existence, something that's never happened before. And even besides the embarrassing amount of balance catchup that blizzard has had to do to make such an asinine change we lost more than we gained from losing tank synergies. Tanks were built with synergies in mind and embracing that would do us more good than trying to reimagine every tank as having a distinct solitary identity and role.
Hot Take: Zarya, Sojourn, and Hanzo need more sexy outfits
W hot take
Cold take. Everyone agrees
@@roland8357 Cold take: Mei
not hanzo he has his share of sexy outfits
@@10Neon What Mei needs to take is a gym membership.
Hot take: most players don’t know who or how to play into their team.
Everyone knows who counters who but the reason we are in such a counter swap meta rn is because people are very bad at figuring out what plays well into their team so they supplement it with countering the enemy team instead.
There is a reason main dps, flex dps, main support, flex support, main healer and off healer exist as terms rn, as well as how if your tank is a dive tank you are better off going smt like genji or pharah.
@zander2758 that's not exactly what's they are getting at. It really means if I play doom with genji. Sometimes people don't play with doom when it would benefit them because kill potential is higher which means they can just keep dash resetting. It's not bad to have a solo genji but they need to be doing their job of killing to make an impact.
@@Dezatron- fair enough, apologies for misunderstanding.
That’s because the game is designed to counter swap. It’s the easiest way to play the game so it’s easiest play style for players to pick up. You are instantly rewarded for a counter swap. Playing into what your team is playing means you need to be coordinated with your team and it’s extremely difficult to get 5 random players to coordinate in 1 game and then go and play with another set of 5 random players in the next game. So players don’t play this way because it’s much more difficult to achieve.
This is a problem with game design and not player intellect. In OW1 everyone knew what comps and strats were good the only problem you had then was having the skill needed to pull them off and having teammates that just want to play their favorite heroes and don’t care about playing into what their team is playing.
As Spilo mentioned, at this point 5v5 vs 6v6 has now become a political debate.
6v6 defenders are aggressive but i dont blame them, 5v5 defenders are literally delusional. all they do is list off a bunch of balance issues that had nothing to do with 6v6 and blame 6v6. example, if they just got rid of sigs shield double shield wouldn't exist, but according to 5v5 ppl sig wasn't the issue, it was 6v6
@@iSuckAtGamesGG Guess some of the former OWL and top OWL coaches like Spilo, ChrisTFer, CommanderX and Unter are also delusional then.
@@srikrishnabhat6793 yes. u can be good at the game and delusional. i mean look at metro, he copes so hard whenever he loses lmao
in fact yeatle, one of overwatch's best tank players, said that Orisa should be able to fly... unironically...
@@srikrishnabhat6793
They are... The devs never balanced the game in OW1. If removing a Tank fixed it, than why does open que still do well with two Tanks and only one DPS? And if you genuinely believe it can't be balanced to add another Tank to 5v5 then you really NEED to acknowledge Open Queue. I'm literally Gold on every role in RQ and in Open Queue. My ability to be whatever role and be Gold in ALL of them suggests even 5v5 with TWO Tanks is just as balanced as 5v5 with ONE Tank. So what is the true argument against 6v6 again? 🤔
@@iSuckAtGamesGG
I remember him saying Orisa needs to fly 😂
He really got that last comment on to strawman 6v6 people. What a plant.
It's pathetic how some people argue against 6v6 like this. He didn't even bother answering it either.
Here's one, bring back the old 6v6 in tandem with 5v5. Let players have the OPTION to decide on what they want to play, and then after 6 months or so, we'll get a community consensus of what game mode is actually better. Be a nice bonus if OW devs updated and consistently balanced both sides too as new heroes come out. Would like to see how Mauga would work in 6v6 than just being a 3rd DPS; how many heroes would have to be reworked entirely?
Do you mean like how we still have an Open Queue? I 100℅ agree with you, but I guarantee that'll just prove 6v6 is easier to balance. Case and point, 5v5 Open Queue with 2 Tanks and 1 DPS feels way better but still off.
Actually, what if they kept it 5v5 but removed a DPS instead of a Tank? They could also convert some DPS into Tanks. Like Echo becoming a Tank could work with just choosing who you want her to be, then her ult is changing to anyone in the current game. Ash could too, although Bob would just have to shoot single shots where she aims until she Ults and he aims like crazy as always. 😂 But Gaston as a Tank would essentially be a male Orisa. I bet a lot of DPS players who pick these specific characters would be just as okay with it as Doom players.
Im a firm believer that either 6v6 is the answer, or remove almost all cc (especially hindering abilities) because i think thats the main problem us tank players have to deal with
um why not do both
@@iSuckAtGamesGGIf you remove all the CC, characters like Wrecking Ball who have so much HP and survivability would be unstoppable because their only weakness is hard CC.
hot take: wrecking ball should go into hamster form when his mech dies, and he runs around nibbling ppl's ankles
I think I can speak for all ball mains when I say,
that would be awesome lmao
I’m begging them to give a 6v6 arcade, no one plays low gravity istg
Low gravity is pointless and boring 😂
It's Imposible but, 9/10 times the reason player aren't having any fun is because of counter swapping. I think the game will feel 100% better if somehow blizzard make some kinda contract with GOD to drastically reduce the need to counter swap, so players won't always have to play a character they don't enjoy. ESPECAILLY THE TANKS.
Also Hitscan DPS being so meta is mad lame holy fuck.
It isn't just counter-swapping. If you're in a game as Tank and you realize the other Tank isn't as good, it isn't fun. It's just sad and happens far too often.
LMAO THE HITSCAN DPS PART TRUEEE also 6v6 would literally solve the pain of counterswapping lol and we have more tanks and tank doom so there's more tanks to play, more people would play tank than in ow1
@@bambampewpew32 while i do believe 6v6 would elevate(?) counter swapping it wouldn’t solve it
@@heyyou9903 yeah but it only became a PROBLEM in 5v5, it was a THING in 6v6, but it required more than 1 person to switch usually, so it was way more okay and not really an issue lol 2+ people losing their WHOLE ult
@@bambampewpew32 yeah i know 6v6 would be the sweet spot for it like jeff said at the start of OW
I made a whole table to do the math for health regen details - Doomfist and Queen are in the same position, tied for least tank health. In role queue, their passive health regen is going up by 16.25 per second, for a new total of 36.25 hp regen per second. It's certainly less than any other tank on paper, but it's still an 81.25% increase! If we're not accounting for shield health regen, the next lowest is going to be bastion at 27.5 hp per second. That's only an increase of 7.5 per second (+37.5%), less than half of the boost that Doom and Queen are getting. Tanks are still sharply separated from the rest of the roster in benefitting from the health regen changes!
Also, Wrecking Ball's health regen is going to be outright intimidating when you include shield regen. Currently, of course, any hero with shields will have periods where they regen both shields and normal health for an effective 50hp/s. After this patch, during those times Wrecking Ball will regen a whopping 78.75hp/s. It's only a 57.5% increase from before, but it still dwarfs every other hero. Even without shield regen, he'll be at 48.75hp/s(+143.75%), 2nd only to Roadhog at 50hp/s(+150%)
Everyone with shields will still rank above everyone without shields during combined regen periods! In order after Wrecking Ball we have Sigma (71.25hp/s), Zarya (67.5hp/s), Lifeweaver (53.75hp/s), and lastly Sym and Zen for a tied 52.5hp/s. Without throwing more numbers in here, Open Queue still keeps those three tanks in 1st-3rd place!
This whole thing is an overall net nerf for Doomfist.
Doom has no armor, so he doesn't take any less damage from the armor changes.
Getting emp punch is harder now due to the increased headshot resistance, which doesn't matter outside of using Block for Doom to charge emp punch.
The knockback resistance will screw up his potential to punch tanks in and out of your team as well as hitting people behind the tank with emp punch.
I hope they give him something else with this patch, this is genuinely meaningless to harmful for Doomfist.
@@PrimarinaBaydoom doesn’t need a buff. Just bug fixes
@@GabeThaGoober With this patch he most certainly will need a minor buff. Tank Doomfist's whole shtick is emp punch and this patch makes it harder to get and harder to utilize. If they fix that issue he's fine again.
As a tank main with 3.9 peak, I really want 6v6 back
HOWEVER knowing how competent Overwatch Balance Team is, I DONT want 6v6 back
life weaver is actively pushed to not use thorn volley due to the slow weapon swap and charge up of his heal blossoms. Dealing damage with thorn volley should provide charge for your next healing blossom such that, with enough damage, you can have partially or even a fully charged blossom when you swap to healing.
Wild Idea: All allies and enemies should drop a blossom on death that grants a flat bonus heal to the next healing blossom cast.
literally any change to the nature of his two weapons would be amazing cuz he has like no direct identity or purpose outside of healbot and lifegrip, but this one especially is pretty nice because it encourages being more active in the fight. reducing weapon swap time in tandem with this would actually make him feel a little fluid!
ooooh that's a really cool idea actually, his weapon charging his heal so he can use both somewhat efficiently OOOOH THEY NEED TO DO THIS WTF or poison damage I've heard of that, but that'd be annoying so idk
i dont even play ow anymore, i jjust like listening to emongg
Agree with this take, Overwatch content creators are the one who carry Overwatch, not the game 😢
my hot take is that with the dps passive as it is (20%) dps players truly need to step up in their role instead of keeping the mentality that their role is not that impactful unless every single teammate works to enable them. can´t speak for high ranks as im an average plat player, but dps constantly play as if they are incapable of doing anything unless the tank takes the attention of the entire enemy team, or they have at least one support staying close to them or following them at all times. they have 18 heroes with useful kits to apply to almost any situation in game, but instead choose to stay the same hero the whole match while not getting value or not changing their playstile while their team is.
impossible, overwatch players are some of the most delusional players in the planet
agreed, it's hilarious hearing Jay3 say "tanks are very strong no need to buff them" and "dps is bad" like bro, I thought you were supposed to be fantastic at the game, but I suppose his "all aim no brain" statement isn't wrong
@@marcovangraan1066 lmao its' just funny cause s9 literally made every dps player take a deep breath of relief, "wow my role is so good", you just get used to it, and then keep complaining, it's just how overwatch works unfortunately lol (WHICH IS ALSO WHY WE LOST 6V6 OVER A SINGLE META lmao)
realistically you could go sojourn and be completely fine because he is so flexible to most comps. He has high damage output with high burst damage, he has movement that allows him to dive, he benefits from brawl too because of his zoning orb thingy, plus close range +high firerate is mostly always good as it allows him to hit more shots = more rail charge.
Hot take: I want 6 v 6 to return. I enjoyed dual tank synergy when it was a thing, with the exception of double shield meta. (I'm a bronze tank, and support, never attained a rank for dps, safe to say bronze as well).
Hot take 2: Open queue feels like Paladins.
Bro went shill mode at 15 mins… the gaslighting is crazy
My biggest issue is the general buffs that aim to solve problems for the whole role.
I feel as though we should fine tune heroes themselves to help make their match-ups feel less bad.
Tank passive being upped to 50% is great for a hero like Reinhardt who really needs to get close to be more effective,
But then Roadhog, Mauga, Orisa, JQ, and literally every other tank benefit even more from this because now they cannot be moved,
and they already have more lethality at range than Rein would ever have. DVA has her boosters, Hog has a shotgun, and much more.
Rein's primary source of damage is his hammer, and that thing is extremely limited, while all the other tanks have way farther reach.
As a ball main, this overall sucks. I couldn't really boop tanks off most spots, but now it seems like I won't be able to get any boops anywhere.
But Hog is unaffected since his hook isn't a boop and is just a pull.
Armor changes are also something I would say are not needed, I didn't pose much of a threat to other tanks in the first place, now I'm lucky if I can tickle them.
The ball buffs are nice, but I'd rather ball stay the same, than literally all other tanks getting huge buffs out of this,
Ball doesn't even care about headshot protection, my head is rarely exposed anyways so that buff doesn't do anything for me anyways.
Overall I'd say Season 9 was peak 5v5 balance.
From that point on best they could do moving forward is bringing back 6v6.
Ball buffs should just be that hack doesn't pull you out ball form, i don't think it pulls out stuff like ram from his nemesis form so it doesn't make sense there, also make it like mauga where when he's in fireball he has cc immunity.
Also the buff the tank knockback buff is also a double buff for hog since its going to make it easier to bully tanks with whole hog, its also a slight buff to orisa spin spear.
hot take: OW doesn't need to be balanced if the meta changes every season/patches it still will be fun imo
you don't need a perfectly balanced game, especially in OW it's unnecessary because every hero is strong in different things/on different maps
so stop hating OW because it's not perfectly balanced because it doesn't has to be
PS: I'm from Austria so sry for my bad english
nah I don't want the game constantly changing, but I also don't need it to be perfectly balanced, I just want it to be fun..
I just want it to be a fun sandbox (ow1 felt like that for me) cause even though ow1 took forever to get updates, it was just more fun because it was more fully fleshed out. (Better engine (better sound design, end game cards, LFG, lootboxes ik won't come back, ranked system which did kinda come back sorta thankfully, more players per game yes 6v6 lmao)
@@bambampewpew32 I never played OW1 so i don't know which one is better, but i agree that it doesn't have to change like every month but once in a whild
@@arthurjonas5211 oh ok yeah no balance patches were about every 2 months at most I think, until they stopped, but it was kinda random feeling if I remember correctly
Mild take: Sojourn shouldn't hold 25 charge on her rail gun indefinitely. Her primary fire should have a better projectile velocity at the cost of her primary fire adds 4 railgun charge per shot so she can't get 2 full charged rail guns per magazine.
Easier and more consistent to play in the lower and mid ranks, but makes her weaker overall
Blizzard are absolutely not cooking with these mid season changes. Yes Tank needs a big load of help to even feel probably balanced, almost as if we need a miracle patch to save the tank role. I believe that continuously buffing tanks will over buff them into even more dangerous and unkillable super tanks. However, if these tanks continue to grow unchecked; then the endless unbalanced gameplay loop cycle will continue to always over balance the next role that needs the most help next. These changes will not solve anything, when are we going to open our eyes covered with rose tinted glasses and realise that balancing OW2 isn’t a gameplay issue but a format issue. These OW Devs now will never understand what made OW1 so great and how to better carry the overall franchise of Overwatch.
After this patch it will be a turning point. They’ve tried everything from buffing heals to reworks to passives to literally everything.
@@AzureWolfOW lmao for real
"when are we going to open our eyes covered with rose tinted glasses" I thought this guy was about to be one of the gaslighters at first lmfao
6v6 isn't the complete answer but its the step in the right direction. cause even if we have 6v6 and the devs dont know how to balance the game we're boned. that being said 5v5 is worse in every way lol
That one makes up for the other day, thank you.
Is it just me or have we not seen another hero mastery get unlocked yet? I would have thought more would come out like one for Pharah or any other heros. I love the idea of it, but it doesn't seem like we've gotten anymore
So your answer to the 100% true fact (for far too long) "Anti-Nade is still gonna be the Hit E in the general direction of a tank to delete ability" is 10:48 "but Kiriko is picked a lot (in top 500)". fml... how about JUST BLOODY FIX (or remove) ANTI-NADE. You shouldn't NEED a Kiriko just to not lose every team fight. Anti-nade has been unbalancing OW for so long... it's time. It's just bloody time. Either nerf it to high heaven (ie- remove the anti-healing effect, it already does enough other things), or give it (or suzu) to ALL supports. One toon shouldn't have such overwhelming power to win every team fight so easily, to the point one other toon is seen as a must-pick just because she has the one ability in the game that counters it. It's been 8 years.. come on now... get your heads out of your derrieres and realize anti-nade was/is/will continue to be the main problem. It has been/is still ruining what could be a great game. I can't believe it's been so broken for so long.
I think too many people expect tanks to carry and constantly getting kills cuz they had that at the start of ow2 when tanks were gigabuffed. Now tanks are more about surviving and holding/making space and i see tank players get mad they cant just run in and get kills
Doesn't help that a lot of the time a tank might make a good push and literally no one follows up on it, he dies and gets blamed while the DPS eats popcorn in the back, or shooting at orisa/hog with Cassidy thinking they're popping off
@@pepekovallin of course poor coordination is bad
The game doesn't really need to be balanced it just needs to be fun. That is where the real problem lies. The tank role as it is today (the day before the midseason patch) may very well be "balanced" in terms of power, but the actual gameplay is not fun. I hate to be one of the people that has to turn every conversation about the game into a 6v6 debate, but the issue the game is facing right now specifically for the tank role, is that the fun element that tank synergy added to the game has not been properly replaced and it's starting to feel like it won't be. We tried having supertanks at the beginning, both other roles hated it. We shifted some of that power to the supports and both other roles hated it. We shifted the power to DPS in season 9 and now the other roles feel like they don't do anything. Now they are shifting power back into the tank via these buffs, it doesn't feel like it'll go well given the precedent. It's a bit maddening to see them run around in circles. The issues with the game feel a little deeper than something that can be fixed by turning the knobs and tweaking the numbers, and some of issues really are caused by 5v5. That doesn't mean that 5v5 is a lost cause but it's hard to visualize what the game will have to morph into to fix the issue. I think that is why many are calling for 6v6 despite some of the known issues with that format. We've seen the peaks and valleys of 6v6, it feels a little less like blindly trying things like we are in 5v5 and feels a little more like something we can get a handle on, and the path forward feels easier to envision. If it felt like they had a vision and they were cooking it would be easier to let go and let them cook. As it stands now it just feels like they are throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks and it's getting to be exhausting. We're closing in on 2 years and it feels like we are still in early access, like we're still figuring out the basics of how to make 5v5 really work. It doesn't feel worth it to continue on this path.
Yeah, it's frustrating to see them fumble the bag constantly, I've been playing since season 7 and I'm already tired of this cycle, one role gets giga buffed, it gets nerfed, another one gets buffet, repeat, as you've said it feels like they have no direction whatsoever and are just desperately trying new things and using the players as guinea pigs, and I'm sitting here thinking "can I just play my characters and have fun in qp please?" All this talk about "oh but the balance/oh it's never going to be balanced 6v6 won't fix that" 6v6 might not make the game a balancing paradise but it at least seemed like a fuck ton of fun to people 4 years ago
my exact thoughts. this wont change anything at all outside of making tank diffs more prevalent, which would actually put MORE pressure on the tank to play perfectly. nothing at all will change because the gameplay loop itself is the problem and the dev team or the suits at the top aren't willing to admit that the marketing gimmick that is 5v5 does not work, and that 6v6 has always been the clear and obvious answer.
and don't give me any shit about the end of overwatch 1's meta, because the devs left that version of the game to die with months of ZERO balance changes during a horrible meta THEY caused. 6v6 would be perfect with just a couple changes to tanks, which they've already done several times over in service of 5v5
idk if u know this but a competitive game thats balanced is fun. if u want to have fun in a unbalanced game play og mw2 or something
@@iSuckAtGamesGG OW will never actually be "balanced". It's just impossible with the way the game is designed. That's okay, it just needs to be balanced ENOUGH that it is fun to play competitively. I shouldn't even engage with what you said but let's do it anyway. CoD is maybe the most successful video game franchise of all time, and has a still-functioning esports pro league. Don't get me wrong, I myself have no interest in playing CoD competitively. But this isn't the dunk you think it is. You are simply wrong about what makes a compelling esports/competitive title. As long as people are having fun they will make it competitive.
@@virtual_pete yeah but it can be more balanced than it is now, we arnt talking in absolutest terms
As a tank hero im genuinely excited for the changes but worried for how dps are gonna feel. Hoping that reaper change saves him whenever it comes around
15:28 He’s saying that they didn’t do anything to prevent you from getting rolled just because of the enemy tank. Which is more of an individual issue than a game issue.
ow1 got stagnant because the devs literally didn't know what they were doing, these new devs sometimes know what they're doing lmao. like if the ow1 devs were still around we would still be in the season 7 support meta rn and for many more seasons to come.
@@iSuckAtGamesGG
Sure, the new devs are better, but buffing Tanks doesn't fix the problem with 5v5. If you change Tanks to take on two roles like Ball or JQ giving shields, then why not have a separate character to do that same amount of damage?
I wish they would give the junker queen buff to ball. There's so many times that I'm spamming adaptive shield but it refuses to activate because my slam animation hasn't resolved. Just a little QOL change that would make him more viable
Hot take: While the argument "6v6 queue times were too long" is very true, I believe 5v5 hurts OW in long-term. The issue is the tank role.(Who would've thought)
A shortage of tanks in 6v6 where the reason for long queue times. (I never played tank; i had no reason to, didn't understand tank and didn't want the tank responsibility. Plot twist: I fell in love with that role after lerning it the last month of OW1)
Instead of addressing this, (teach player the fundamentals of tank or smth like that; I had to search for videos on yt), they made tank the worst experience in OW and making them OP or underwhelming is not the solution, (arguably counter swap is the main problem, which is unavoidable in 5v5 imo) potentially leading to even less tanks, which was the core problem to begin with and why they removed one tank.
I havent played overwatch 1 at all, so i have 0 biases towards 6v6
Im fine with the tank passive buffs, but im a bit iffy on the changes to armor
Not sure how thats going to feel, especially with ball who doesnt even do that much damage per bullet, so wrecking ball will definitely struggle more against tanks, i don't really see the increase of 50 to 60 fireball damage being that impactful, the most you will be able to do now is 160 damage with fireball plus piledrive unless you perform a double boop which would be 220
I do hope that hog and mauga gets nerfed, mauga is strong now given orisa was nerfed
Hanzo buffs seems alright, they might bring back hanzo one shot headshot, and idk what they are gonna buff junkrat with, it would be funny if they bring back junkrat's one shot combo lmao
If they do, im gonna have a field day tomorrow on junkrat
I dudnt think echo needed a buff, she always felt great to play and ive played her quite a decent amount
Hot take: Antinade should only ANTI for a direct hit
Hot Take: For the next Quickplay Hacked, remove each role for 2-3 days.
For example, remove Tank for the first, then remove Damage, and then remove Support. I am curious on how the game will be played out.
imo, venture was prob made with cd cycles of genji in mind not doom and what they need are some qol changes such as no camera lock out on dash but also another escape tool to relieve the downtime like genji’s wall climb or dash reset just to cover that little bit missing in their kit or maybe 1 sec less on each cd. halving drill dash after burrow is just not enough.
I have a weird hot take. People dont like playing tanks in general, it doesnt matter what game it is. People dont like that pressure. Its either they can stun people into oblivion or they one/two shot, or else people wont play them.
Not really an answer to anything, just something ive noticed. DPS-inclined players are usually veterans of other shooters while support is just people trying to learn the game through a helpful role.
yeah bro the bap killing everyone with his battle rifle and 16 different health pools is just trying to learn the game 😭
@@iSuckAtGamesGG Im talking about the more general audience. Not the people who play this game like its their life and get so good aka the 10, maaaybe 20% of the audience.
I love playing tank. I thrive under high pressure and like being the "protector" archetype helping teammates out even when I can't engage as much
@@RoseNights the general audience is silver, and u dont have to no life the game to get out of silver. its just that bap is over kitted and people who can aim play both dps and support
For overwatch maybe you have a point about people not playing alot of tanks but not every game especially not league of legends.
7:10 I had one idea for mercy that She either completely ignores dps passive healing reduction, or it acts in a way such that the longer you heal someone the less impact the dps passive healing reduction has, until it has none at all. Solidifies the idea of pocketing as mercy and improves her healing output without increasing her healing output.
For the second idea there would have to be some sort of decay where after X amount of time or when healing someone else for X amount of time the dps passive starts taking more effect again, otherwise accidentally stopping healing them because they moved out of LoS for 2 seconds would be annoying.
This is a wild idea that I don't think is a good one but could be fun to test, is dps who are damage boosted impact a heavier dps passive, so like rn its base 20%, but damage boosted dps do 25% dps passive. Wild idea and could be fun but I don't think buffing mercy damage boost is the way to make her better.
What are your thoughts on endorsement rewards giving competitive points for the players in other modes who positively effect others competitive experience? That would also increase the value of experience drops and like you've said; those people who don't normally play competitive will do so to earn that skin that's now obtainable for them.
My hot take is that counterswapoing for the majority of the player base really shouldn’t be a problem. Players create this problem because they see high rank players doing it. High rank players counterswap because they are maximizing their characters performance and at that level there really isn’t a way to get a win over an enemy tank that is playing without making mistakes. Players under grandmaster definitely can play whatever character they want and just outplay the enemy. Any grandmaster can choose any tank and beat their supposed “counter” if it was played by someone of a lower rank. It’s all a mindset. Yall need to be ok with losing to learn how to beat other characters not just defaulting to “oh mauga beats rein cuz shield melt” or “Zarya beats dva cuz beam”
I find it funny that the 2nd post at the end talked about nerfs to heroes that aren't meta at all. Bastion and Reaper are already at or near the bottom of most people's tier lists. Soldier, Torb, and Ramattra sit at the "ok" tier. Hog is really the only one close to meta. The biggest nerf to talk about is Tracer(which isn't even mentioned) so I hope there are compensation buffs to the other characters so they aren't absolute throw picks(i.e. make characters like Bastion and Reaper less tank-buster-y so they can flex to fill other roles).
The thing with reaper and bastion is that when they act as tank busters and there is only 1 tank their job becomes to just relentlessly bully 1 person to get tons of value, i remember hearing reaper will get reworked and i hope bastion can be adapted to not just eviscerate the tank from existence, rammatra doritos will do less damage vs armor but his pummel in nemesis form will do way more dmg, we'll have to see how that plays out.
There's a reason for that. The game is suffering because of noob heroes like moira, bastion and mauga. None of them should ever be meta because they're too easy and don't make fun games.
Regardless of the balance of these heroes, they are all frustrating to play against and decidedly cheesy. Not every hero deserves to be meta.
@@abudgie6909 that's rank subjective. For me in Masteres, the game is ruined by Soj, Tracers, Kiri, Baps. In fact, Bastions and Maugas are super easy to counter.
@@nolabell09 I am also a masters player. If it offers you any perspective, I main winston. But no matter what hero I’m playing, I despise playing against roadhog.
@@abudgie6909 ok... bust like, bastion, torb, and reaper are pretty bottom tier picks on pretty much everyone minus winston and rein. So for them to get nerfed when they aren't even close to meta picks makes no sense. Not to mention zero compensation buffs so they are below trash tier now. Thanks blizz.
Definitely didn't expect my comment to be featured here, since it was more of just reacting to the patch and I would've cared more about my wording if I knew it'd show up (please don't use this one editors ty
Hot take: I miss the card system. I never really enjoyed playing hours upon hours of ranked as I always found that it hurt my mental in the long run so I enjoyed just being able to go 10-0 and rank up as it meant I could spend the rest of the season playing quick play rather than grinding just to get back to masters 5. But with this new system I’ve already played 4x more than I have previously and it’s just a slog to climb now.
Also the removal of comp points being earned for reaching a rank (1000 for diamond 1250 for masters ect) is a real killer as you now need to WIN 300 ish games in order to get an emerald gun where in prior seasons you could get one from 50 wins and a diamond season placement.
WHAT
@@bambampewpew32 sure but I don’t really care about immediate updates. With this current system I still can’t see my progress bar in each rank unless I queue a game
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY believe, that if we swapped zen and sombra (making zen a dps, and sombra a support), and made them what they do what their mirrorwatch counterparts do, the game would be in a good place.
Ana feels so amazing with her double jump... But I have to admit, healing your team while invisible makes the feeling of being targeted, a bit lessned.
go back to 6v6, 2 of each role, and have the tanks have their open queue HP, since there's now health regen
That's the best idea I've seen in this whole comment section.
Pharah is going to go crazy if it’s a Ram or Rien meta because less people would want to hit scan against tanks
I am worried that Zarya and Sigma might not be as valuable due to no amour and won’t be able to keep a zone as well.
I believe the armor change is meant to balance out the headshot passive.
If they didn't change the armor back, tanks who have it would be impossible to kill while their armor was up, forcing DPS to go Bastion, Reaper and things like that
The OW1 armor makes so tank busters are weaker, and it makes so tanks without armor don't get outshined by those who have it
Making tanks explode less but not making them imortal
What if mercy’s healing simply ramped up (a tiny bit) while maintaining heal beam, or while healing for several seconds?
7:24 one little thing they SHOULD do for Mercy is making so the DPS passive doesn't double down on her self-healing, the fact that her healing gets reduced twice makes her so easy to kill, easier than it should be
6:36 fixing Doom will also make people more interested in learning him, some of his most basic techs are very inconsistent and weird, it's hard to get good with something that only works 75% of the time
the only thing about him that maybe they should look into is his Hand Canon, if you are not a tank, Zen, Bastion or Torb, you will never hit all the pellets, even up close!
What if mercy heals based on the max HP of the target she is healing. So she will heal more per second if she is healing a tank but less if healing someone with less HP like ana
Hot Take: We need more maps and less characters. I cannot stress enough how tired I am of playing Gibralter, Havana, Colleseo and all them. Especially since they removed 2CP from the main game. It's been the same maps with very little changes.
no, i hate every single new map
less characters?? I almost thought you meant remove them lmfao, I guess I'd maybe agree if it's kiri and lifeweaver, but that's about it lol we need only ONE immo at most, bap lamp
@@bambampewpew32 I'm not saying to remove characters, in fact I'm saying we don't need more and we should just focus on getting new maps.
all ive gathered from these videos is: im glad none of these people arent in the balance team !
Did something happen to his eyebrows?
7:25 mercy will ignore the dps passive and tell she reach 50% of their HP the ability will not reactivate Intel she heal someone else to 50%
sorry for my bad English
Add a 1-2 second 25-50 damage threshold for the dps passive.
My issue is the dps passive being buffed ... because I solo dps I rarely get to "show of my skills " .... I win more games with less elims because I'm constantly spreading heal reduction ... if I'm in a 1v1 or 1v2 and win if I didn't shoot at the tank to proc reduced healing my tank can't do enough damage to win the 3v3...(cuz in my elo healers dog walk our tanks and blame dps because we have more deaths)
Sounds like a lot of my Gold games as support... Or kinda like Tank where I do tons of damage but nothing dies, so I get blamed for our loss when I literally did everything I could.
"which projectile heroes get played" like there's any other ones besides echo who are worth playing anymore.
isn't venture a projectile ?
@@sajiro__2004 "worth playing"
sojo?
@@sajiro__2004
Yeah, but she's new and needs tweaking...
@@vergilsgamingchair8772 lmfao for real that nerf hit so hard bruh and was so unnecessary, they could've at least given a 3rd cooldown as a compensation buff
For Mercy, I almost feel like she needs an ability that gives her some agency. Something like, she activates it, and for a few moments a heal target gets some damage reduction or a damage beam target gets a speed boost or something. Just to give her more active decision making. But that could also be a disaster
or they can completely rework the character to make her take more skill to play. but i dont think mercy otp's would like that
more impactful soft CC's should be reduced based on character health pools, including temp hp like overshields, with a cap of 1000hp (to avoid things like sound barrier from negating all soft CC). this change would have 2 main consequences: 1) it is more beneficial to expend resources to finish off a target, and 2) it incentivizes players to use their CDs on DPS's and supports rather than just focusing on the tanks. For example:
- Sombra should take longer to hack high health targets, increasing based on the current health of the target. the cast time would be relatively the same for squishy targets, be ~0.8 sec for low hp tanks, and ~1-1.15 for max hp tanks like hog
- anti effects would cut healing by percentages based on target hp pools, going as low as 30% reduction for max HP targets, and as high as 70% for minimum HP targets, with a baseline 60-65% reduction for 250hp targets
- physical barriers should have a placement delay after casting, and an indicator for the enemy team during the delay. this (rightfully) nukes mei, but to make up for this the cooldown could be reduced and the physics changed so that the wall can no longer lift enemies up, they are forced on either side of it
if you can't tell, I'm a doom main and I'm having no fun playing the game right now, but I think these changes would overall be a healthy shift away from the "tank disintegration" meta that's been plaguing the game for a while, and encourage the other roles to acknowledge each other WHILE the tanks are still alive
Healers (like mercy) should get a small healing boost after using movement abilities. This encourages them to move between teammates a lot, increasing skill expression, and helps healers without a ton of ways to burst heal (again, like mercy) catch up on healing better. The boost would only be for a moment, so it wouldn't make pocketed enemies feel immortal either
My food for thought is make doomfists shotgun fist shoot a single projectile, it would increase punch combo skill ceiling, and would help him against armored enemies. Anything to shift power away from his punch only.
I don’t want to go back to 6v6 because it would probably mean no canceling rein charge anymore and I think doing that is fun.
didn't Emongg played Tank Duos with Flats?
I don’t understand why they’ve over nerfed reaper
Boi, you been working out!¿ looking good streamer! 👍🏼
I don’t really play a lot of ball but the fact sombra can turn him into crab and take away his health packs kinda of nullifies whatever buffs they decide to give.
People can tell me as much as they want how 5v5 is better but as a tank main I’m simply not having NEARLY as much fun as peak OW and it’s as simple as that.
I think the last guy was saying. Tanks still ahve to be like do everything heroes. They’ll always be the focus fire targets. They can’t really adapt different gameplans due to being only 1 tank. Also given how some of the other tanks function, no matter how you buff tanks overall, they’ll still be playing this ridiculous meta game of counter picking tank v tank.
Thus 6v6 is the only real solution as the problem is format not hero. That is likely what they were saying.
Sigma is the true OW2 tank because he can do everything. Sure, tank can counter the other tank, but unless your team are doing more than the other team, you’re getting blown up lol
Hope I'm in this video 😁
But if not my hot take is doomfist slam should be buffed to do 60 damage and add a new passive that makes stun last longer if you slam them plus punch but only if it's a empowered punch
I think this will help him out as a tank because of the new tank buffs
Absolutely not lmao
@@ducky_7122the passive thing it bit dumb but I see no reason not to buff slam damage if they are not going to fix it's bugs
I fcking love stun characters, I love being punished with being unable to play the game for 2 seconds every time the enemy doomfist feels like focusing the support player for the 700th time
I think adding back .75 (or even 1 second) stun to Empowered Rocket Punch would be 100x more balanced than this lmao
@@Artemi22 😂we're just doing are job
Tank buff is going to make roadhog unkillable. 25% headshot damage reduction +whole hog knockback reduction on tanks. Which will make Ana a little better aswell since less dive and ana doesnt care about headshot damage and nade and sleep are always good against hog and easy to hit
Imo the way to fix mercy is to SLIGHTLY buff her self heal. Her self healing from healing others via cadeus staff is her main lifeline for hp stability.
5v5 monotonous vs 6v6 dynamic
They continue to target Reaper as if it's him causing all these issues and not Zen's discord or Ana's anti-nade. If you look at the damage/range/etc. stats, every tank is for more likely to kill Reaper than Reaper is to kill them. The only tanks *not* capable of killing Reaper fast enough (i.e. Winston and Hammond) are able to get in and out before Reaper can actually do anything. This patch will just make the poke heroes stronger than they already were while killing off the already weak heroes.
They should just change zens orb so it grants small lifesteal to 1 teammate or do what mirrorwatch does and make it a DoT where i felt it was more useful applying to squishies rather than tank, anas anti nade should just be a healing reduction than a full stop to healing, that way it still works against heroes like mauga and hog but doesn't make tanks just explode on spot when purple'd.
@@zander2758
That might be their way of testing the new patch for Zen.
@@Adventist9917 i really hope it is, zen on mirrorwatch was good fun, same with sombra and how anas grenade doesn't block healing but reduces it
@@zander2758
The mirror Ana NEEDS to be her normal kit. I love playing mirror watch just to be her. Some people may always get POTG with Mercy in them, but they never look fun skillful or anything… The ones with Ana just make her seem awesome. Not over powered or anything special, but balanced. 😍
We are so back
Mercy should reduce the dps passive while healing a target so she can keep up a target but without making them unkillable.
Rienhardt needs meaningful buffs. He has never dominated and is always the weakest tank choice. He feels strong but when it takes ten seconds to kill some heros, that are not tanks, it isn't worth it.
Remember Mirrorwatch Mercy Ult?
...That would be interesting, a bit like Illari'
Hot take:1) armor change is not a buff for tank, but nerf for tankbusters and buff for everyone else.
2) i don't care that other role will not have fun bc dps and supports are the 1st ones to swap to counter u. I am tired of playing tank when i have to be scaried of hanzos storm, widows headshot, reaper in general, baptist, both anas cooldowns, and zens dmg
Like if i get u in melee range with rein u should die 90%
Making tanks absolutely busted to make them playable in 5v5 doesn’t do what they want.
Games with a bit of a diff on any role (every game) will still have one unkillable tank and one tank who gets blown up.
Every map has been made the exact same way, Emong. They start by saying let's make King of the Hill and then add a few more rules
Mercy is just a really bad hero because she’s just COMPLETELY relies on how good the DPS are. If DPS aren’t hitting shots, no point in boosting them lol
I THINK DOOM DESERVES SOMETHING AGAINST CC SOMETHING SKILLFUL LIKE A PARRY THE AMOUNT OF CHARAKTERS THAT COUNTER DOOM IS HORIBUL HE IS STRONG BUT FEELS AWFUL INTO BASICLY ANYTHING
I still dont understand dps passive. Why is it weve figured out that if heals get nerfed 15 to 20% the game feels better why not nerf healing numbers globally instead? Because all this does is enable dps to make kills. If you nerf healing numbers globally support and tank can also go for kills aswell. They dont need to rely on dps to apply passive. Ive had multiple matches as tank where i am unable to kill a support or tank until my dps starts shooting them too. And at that point they may aswell kill them themselves considering they do more damage and in some situations have better offensive cds. I want to make the difference make the cool plays too. And dont even get me started on widow hanzo. Playing with hanzo is minimal dps applied. Whenever i play with that awful comp im not only waiting but almost fully reliant on them to make any space. This next patch is so unnecessary and filledwith more issues. Lets startby fixing the game. Nerf healing numbers first see where that lands
Just make mercies healing unaffected bye the DPS passive I feel that would fix her without being broken
Not a hot take: They should rework Mauga. It is UNFUN to play against, has barely any skill expression (You either use the charge to run away or RUN AWAY). The constant Mauga shooting makes any other tank match ups straight up UNFUN. I feel Mauga is worse than any Orisa and Hog metas we had.
Another hot take: I think Mercy just needs her Triage Healing back after the DPS passive changes which fill increase her uptime and she can just heal up after 50% and focus on Damage boosting more.
Third Hot take: Hinder and Hacks should have reduced time effects on Tank. I hate whenever I try to play Wrecking Ball, I get hindered and hacked into oblivion. If the effect on Tank is a bit reduced, I can still runaway rather than playing spawn simulator 600
I think mercy is struggling in really high ranks but mercy is miserable to play against literally anywhere else. Like diamond console has a mercy Kiri almost every game to DMG pocket some op hitscan.
Tank has to be overhauled in a conceptual point of view.... because tanks are just not fun to play as. Thats the whole reason OW changed to 5v5.
Tanks should become initiators of combat instead of damage sponges.
If 6v6 returns, it has to return with tanks split into main and off-tank. Main tanks have a shield (with old orisa with shield) and off-tank basically a combination of beefier dps (HP ~350-450 and mobile tank
no lmao just don't make another sigma or orisa tank
Ppl hated double shield, keep Orisa the way she is
Why would you even suggest giving her the shield back? I didn't like her change at first, but I love how she is now.
Her shield would be like rams (low health shield) and she’d be reworked so the shield isn’t always active. Also I’m suggesting only the main tank would have a shield, so no double shielding with 2 tanks
think that last guy just wanted to complain--
Hot take, remove tank and a support and make it a 3v3, or remove a support and dps and make it mini-watch
No
I still don't get why Suzu is on a 16 second cd.....as opposed to Pull and Immortality which are like, 25-30
I was gonna make a counter argument because immort currently is largely just better than suzu but...yeah no I cant counter pull being 25 but suzu being 16 given suzu is just pull but you keep your position.
@@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862 LMAO EXACTLY IT'S KINDA BETTER THAN PULL well not all the time but it just does everything
My hot take would have to be.
The buffs for Hanzo hopefully are not primary fire buffs.
Maybe I’m alone in this but i’d rather him get +25 HP, -1 second to storm arrow, -1 second on sonic AND a buff to his ult where it can destroy deployables.
Than him getting a +5 to his primary fire damage.
you might be in the minority cause most hanzo players like the one shot lol, but that's only really balanced in 6v6, sooooo... I'd honestly let you have both in 6v6 lmao, maybe not all but just a storm arrow cooldown would be nice
I hate hanzo so no one shot is great
@@bambampewpew32 I won’t lie, I don’t main Hanzo, but do have quite a few hours in him (mainly in ow1) I personally feel non ultimate one shots are just a 6v6 thing.
But I do know Hanzo without his oneshot is just poor which is why I’d want him to have everything but his one shot gigabuffed tbh.
Hot Take: If Cassidy players are so bad at landing their grenade that they need auto tracking and hinder so they can actually land a shot I think Bastions grenade deserves the same treatment its only fair
Yeah but bastions don’t deserve good things
pulse bomb too tbh; just swap tracer's ult and cass' hinder lmao
@@Battleress2 are you insane
@@necrosis6037 yes :)
6v6 is just better, not only tanking was more fun but dps and Support in my opinion aswell. The game just feels empty with 5 players and one pick has way too much value and makes the fights almost impossible to turn. Idk, ever metric I think of I liked 6v6 better than 5v5
Why not make Mercy's healing beam just flat out ignore the DPS passive debuff? No need to overtune her overall healing and she'd be more of a niche pick to heal tanks constantly under fire
WE ARE SO BACK!
*flats hype*
I believe 5v5 or 6v6 doesnt matter
Ow will never be balanced
Anyone who played ow1 knows 6v6 was not balanced this game is never going to be balanced what is needed is for characters to be fun to fight and not overtuned. They need to add death timers when switching heros to prevent counter swappers ow is fun with like 3 annoying characters.
My hot take: i think healer is fine supports a slighty overtuned but with dps passive i think it evens out
After seeing it yet again in this comment section, Imma just say my hot take: people who legitimately want lootboxes back are entitled and want free shit.
It's one thing to complain about the excessive shop prices. Because they are excessive, and those prices should be brought down.
However, to say lootboxes are the answer is just denying history. Yes, technically you could earn them for free and get free shit. But you forget the thousands of adults wasting $1000s of dollars on what is one step away from a slot machine. I don’t care if you miss getting free shit. I don’t want people possibly ruining their lives so they can make Genji pretty.
I think as a compromise Overwatch should go 5v6
* Tanks shouldn't have self healing abilities.
Aka - Hogg. Mauga
No issue with abilities like shout. Shield regen or the passive healing.
* Show the other teams character picks before the game starts. This way the counter picking and counter to the counter pick can happen before the first death.