Looks great! I’m looking for a small camera to film and vlog inside malls and in lower light / artificial light. Walking tours inside malls and in evenings. Can’t decide between Ace Pro and the Go3S. Any thought? Any idea what is coming in next firmware?
If you're doing any low light, then Ace Pro, the GO 3/3s are great cameras but not great in low light or night, that's where the Ace Pro comes in with PureVideo and the larger sensor. As for firmware for Ace Pro, we will likely see one more before Ace Pro 2 launches in late October ;)
: I LOVE this camera but they say there might be a new version of Ace pro by the end of 2024. Nobody is sure. Do you have any idea about it..? would be really helpful.🙏
Are the new looks > Leica Vivid and Leica Natural < applied in post production or are they automatically applied with the new update? (I apologize if my question seems dumb.)
Olá Parabéns pelo Vídeo! Sugestão de Vídeo. Faz um vídeo comparativo com Leica Vivid e Leica Natural (lado a lado). Mostrar a diferença entre os 2 perfil Hello (Google translator) Congratulations on the video! Video suggestion. Make a comparison video with Leica Vivid and Leica Natural (side by side). Show the difference between the 2 profiles
Thanks for all your efforts with these videos. I bought the ACE when it was released and have watched a lot of your videos about it. I specifically got it for night filming and It was already what I thought, the best action cam for that. This new update makes it even better! Thank you again
That's awesome, and you're welcome, that's my goal, make sure everyone makes the right decision for what they need, doesn't have to be any specific camera. Enjoy!
I notice that the field of view with the Leica is different as well. In some scenarios, the Leica profile seems a little dark in the shadows more than the standard.
Mr. Miyagi, have you tried PureVideo mode at 1080p? After updating to v1.0.60 my PureVideo recordings now have this greenish tint on the right side, like a greenish vignette. Can you try on yours? I tested at 2.7k and it was clean. 😢
Oh geez, I haven't shot in 1080 in ages. I'll give it a try and see, but you're the first I've heard of this. Is there any reason why you're shooting 1080p in PureVideo mode? It's probably the worse resolution to shoot in low light conditions.
@@MiyagisRant i do longform recordings so i choose 1080p. I hope they address this soon, if not i will be forced to do 2.7k which is not ideal for my current laptop. Will wait for your test results!
@@DJDLS Ah gotcha, are you in the Ace Pro group, someone just mentioned this not sure if it's you about the green tinge in 1080p mode, and Insta360 had responded they are aware of this issue only in 1080p using PureVideo after the last update, they are working on the fix for next firmware update.
This is an odd one, you are losing a little detail in the shadows after the update, but gaining better noise to signal ratio, better preserved highlights, and a tiny bit more detail in the things they both expose visibly. I think I am going to pass on this update because I use purevideo when I am trying to gain as much shadow detail as possible . for example at 19:24 the larger tree in the frame you can see more of it on the old firmware, but the updated one is defiantly lower noise and a tiny bit more detail where you can see the tree. Looks like they sacrificed a little shadow expose (by inceasing the shutter speed a tad is my guess) which also gave them more detail when in motion. I could be wrong on the shutterspeed change.
I think there's still a ton of room for them to tweak PureVideo, at least it's getting there and it will never be perfect just because of lens limitation. I can't imagine the amount of work the processor is doing to achieve what it can now, still the best in low light among the top 3. DJI A4 with it's same size sensor can't even touch it, I have the A4 and the jitters are even worse and more often especially when there's motion, the processor in the A4 just can't keep up, hope they will change that in the A5. Love to see a 1 inch sensor with combined with Ace Pro's 5 nm and quad bayer...maybe we'll see that in Ace Pro 2, anniversary date is coming up ;) Yah, that's the nice thing about firmware you can choose to update or not. This imo wasn't a 'huge' update, there was actually suppose to be more from what I've heard but I think they are holding back to prepare for the two big anticipated launches from GP and DJI. ;)
@MiyagisRant I really don't think they have any more performance to squeeze out of this sensor and lens combo for low light. I think the next big improvements will be getting the sensor maybe to 1 inch at f1.8 and autofocus. cell phones have already proven this combo well and the autofocus won't have much work with how big the focal plane is at focal lengths wider than 16mm.
@@robertconrad6802 I don't know, I talk to their tech guys often. Even with a new gen 2, we will still see quite a bit from this camera. Insta360 has consistently been surprising me with what they push out of their devices, I bet they have a few more tricks up their sleeves ;) Heck, look at DJI A3, we never thought they were going to push 10 bit out of that camera and they did it last minute just before A4 launched. Also, Insta360 is working with some pretty crazy hardware in this camera, there are still some unknowns with what they can do with this 5 nm and the Quad Bayer sensor, which btw, was a sensor Sony will be using in their new mirrorless full frame DSLRs. One of the reasons the Ace Pro is putting some pretty impressive footage especially in low light/night. Of which, neither big companies like GoPro and DJI can come close to, many have tried to compare it and still has not been able to make it as good as the Ace Pro coming out of the camera without post, companies that's had 12 generations and 4 generations of action cameras. Do a search on Bayer Quad technology, it's insane stuff and it's the future. I don't compare phones with these things, phones are great in a close proximity range but once you surpass that limited range, it will start to choke. The lens on phones are tiny and can only do so much, it's gotten better but glass is still glass.
Not that I know of, you're the first I've heard of this problem. I do a lot of underwater footage but not photos but I will be on my next trip in about 3 weeks as I'm building a macro shooter with my Ace Pro and will be shooting some in 48 MP. I'll keep you posted.
Excellent improvements and excellent great video from your channel. I like the new fw a lot !. Wish they would have added pure video mode also to the X4. Then we would have seen a huge improvement compared to the X3.
Funny you mentioned this, when I got my X4 I approached the Insta360 team about PureVideo on the X4 due to the fact that it's using the same 5nm CPU which is what's used in the Ace Pro. They told me that the 5nm cpu in the Ace Pro works pretty hard to achieved PureVideo results and to do that with dual 4K stitched would probably set the X4 on fire lol. I suggested even giving us PureVideo in Single Lens mode so that we can take advantage of PureVideo if we didn't have the Ace Pro around, they didn't give me the answer for that one. So, I'm thinking we might see it in X4 as it's still relatively new. I wouldn't be surprised tbh, Insta360 likes to push their hardware limits in these tiny things 🤣
Yah, I said that about that black SUV that I prefer the old over the new in that respect but overall, it's better imo, I think toning it down maybe a notch or two would be perfect.
@@MiyagisRant If you are going to "tone it down" you might as well shoot Flat and then adjust to your taste. I just find Flat with MY tweaking in post to give me the best results, including dynamic range. The new Pure Video is a genuine improvement.
@@markr041 lol you are assuming that most user know how to colour grade/correct. I've sold cameras for 20 years, trust me, most of my customers barely know how to turn on one of these things 🤣
@MiyagisRant Yes, but you just said "tone down" that Leica Natural to correct the contrasy look. If your viewers cannot do that then it seems to me they would be better off not using the Leica profiles. They are just too contrasty and do not look anything like what one gets from a Leica camera using that profile.
@@markr041 Oh heck no, not user side that would defeat what I'm trying to say lol, Insta360 should tone that profile down a notch or two. At the end of the day, these are really just in camera LUTs that allow the user to easily access 'some' color grading/correction without really any skill or knowledge. I can already do this exact thing using LUTs in Davinci and CapCut, look at one of my older videos, I actually tried to show viewers how to easily implement color corrections/grading with Davinci/CapCut using LUTs. Surprisingly enough, CapCut has some pretty insane color grading/correcting tools for a free app. I've worked with Leica, Canon, Nikkor, Fujinon, Kodak optics in the early days. Back in the days we dealt with print, non of this digital stuff. And we should know that unless your monitor is calibrated 'professionally' every display will show colors, contrast differently. I literally have two high end monitors on my desktop and both display colors differently lol Anyways, at the very least, users have 2 more profiles they can use to their liking and that's really the important thing, everyone uses their cameras differently and every has different taste in colors. Some ppl hate Ace Pro's color science, some hate DJI and some GoPro, whatever works for that person is really the important thing ;)
i will be honest with you, I don't use my $700 action camera for a webcam, I have a cheap Logitech that works just fine. That said, I literally just hooked mine up to test the webcam feature and it looks just like a webcam to me, not sure what you're looking for with this camera but Insta360 has a dedicated webcam that works very well. :)
@@tommyli8726 I meant for Insta360 to tweak the Leica NAT, for them to 'lighten' that profile a notch, I've suggested it to their team so we might see it tweak on the next firmware. You can kind of tweak it yourself by playing with the EV settings in the video mode, that will help with the excessive darkness in certain areas ;)
Looks great!
I’m looking for a small camera to film and vlog inside malls and in lower light / artificial light. Walking tours inside malls and in evenings. Can’t decide between Ace Pro and the Go3S. Any thought?
Any idea what is coming in next firmware?
If you're doing any low light, then Ace Pro, the GO 3/3s are great cameras but not great in low light or night, that's where the Ace Pro comes in with PureVideo and the larger sensor. As for firmware for Ace Pro, we will likely see one more before Ace Pro 2 launches in late October ;)
this is a great example of testing
thanks
Updated immediately after watching yr vid, what a noticeable improvement over the previous firmware. thanks
@@ghostedragon964 yah great improvements on the purevideo for sure!
: I LOVE this camera but they say there might be a new version of Ace pro by the end of 2024. Nobody is sure.
Do you have any idea about it..? would be really helpful.🙏
Updated my firmare, now v1.0.60 . thanks for the info and videos. I usually use vivid for my mountain biking videos. I want to try Leica vivid now.
Yah, I'm usually not a 'Vivid' type of guy but I actually didn't mind this Leica one, kind of changed my mind as I was looking at the side by side :)
Are the new looks > Leica Vivid and Leica Natural < applied in post production or are they automatically applied with the new update? (I apologize if my question seems dumb.)
@@TC_Conner they are in camera profiles, you change it in the same spot where you change to flat, vivid, standard etc. via slide out left menu
@@MiyagisRant Thank you!
Olá
Parabéns pelo Vídeo!
Sugestão de Vídeo.
Faz um vídeo comparativo com Leica Vivid e Leica Natural (lado a lado).
Mostrar a diferença entre os 2 perfil
Hello (Google translator)
Congratulations on the video!
Video suggestion.
Make a comparison video with Leica Vivid and Leica Natural (side by side).
Show the difference between the 2 profiles
I will try to do one but they are pretty noticeable, the Leica Vivid colors are much more vibrant then the Leica Natural as they are intended for.
Thanks for all your efforts with these videos. I bought the ACE when it was released and have watched a lot of your videos about it. I specifically got it for night filming and It was already what I thought, the best action cam for that. This new update makes it even better! Thank you again
That's awesome, and you're welcome, that's my goal, make sure everyone makes the right decision for what they need, doesn't have to be any specific camera. Enjoy!
I notice that the field of view with the Leica is different as well. In some scenarios, the Leica profile seems a little dark in the shadows more than the standard.
@@wargor yes me too, Leica NAT needs to go down one notch I think. I've sent them my request about this when I did the video.
Mr. Miyagi, have you tried PureVideo mode at 1080p? After updating to v1.0.60 my PureVideo recordings now have this greenish tint on the right side, like a greenish vignette. Can you try on yours? I tested at 2.7k and it was clean. 😢
Oh geez, I haven't shot in 1080 in ages. I'll give it a try and see, but you're the first I've heard of this. Is there any reason why you're shooting 1080p in PureVideo mode? It's probably the worse resolution to shoot in low light conditions.
@@MiyagisRant i do longform recordings so i choose 1080p. I hope they address this soon, if not i will be forced to do 2.7k which is not ideal for my current laptop.
Will wait for your test results!
@@MiyagisRant btw it won't show during recording. Only when you olay it back.
@@DJDLS Ah gotcha, are you in the Ace Pro group, someone just mentioned this not sure if it's you about the green tinge in 1080p mode, and Insta360 had responded they are aware of this issue only in 1080p using PureVideo after the last update, they are working on the fix for next firmware update.
@@MiyagisRant I'm not in that group. Glad they are aware, hoping for a fix from them asap. Thanks!
Good ol' London !
ssshhhh... don't tell anyone lol
This is an odd one, you are losing a little detail in the shadows after the update, but gaining better noise to signal ratio, better preserved highlights, and a tiny bit more detail in the things they both expose visibly. I think I am going to pass on this update because I use purevideo when I am trying to gain as much shadow detail as possible . for example at 19:24 the larger tree in the frame you can see more of it on the old firmware, but the updated one is defiantly lower noise and a tiny bit more detail where you can see the tree. Looks like they sacrificed a little shadow expose (by inceasing the shutter speed a tad is my guess) which also gave them more detail when in motion. I could be wrong on the shutterspeed change.
I think there's still a ton of room for them to tweak PureVideo, at least it's getting there and it will never be perfect just because of lens limitation. I can't imagine the amount of work the processor is doing to achieve what it can now, still the best in low light among the top 3. DJI A4 with it's same size sensor can't even touch it, I have the A4 and the jitters are even worse and more often especially when there's motion, the processor in the A4 just can't keep up, hope they will change that in the A5. Love to see a 1 inch sensor with combined with Ace Pro's 5 nm and quad bayer...maybe we'll see that in Ace Pro 2, anniversary date is coming up ;) Yah, that's the nice thing about firmware you can choose to update or not. This imo wasn't a 'huge' update, there was actually suppose to be more from what I've heard but I think they are holding back to prepare for the two big anticipated launches from GP and DJI. ;)
@MiyagisRant I really don't think they have any more performance to squeeze out of this sensor and lens combo for low light. I think the next big improvements will be getting the sensor maybe to 1 inch at f1.8 and autofocus. cell phones have already proven this combo well and the autofocus won't have much work with how big the focal plane is at focal lengths wider than 16mm.
@@robertconrad6802 I don't know, I talk to their tech guys often. Even with a new gen 2, we will still see quite a bit from this camera. Insta360 has consistently been surprising me with what they push out of their devices, I bet they have a few more tricks up their sleeves ;) Heck, look at DJI A3, we never thought they were going to push 10 bit out of that camera and they did it last minute just before A4 launched. Also, Insta360 is working with some pretty crazy hardware in this camera, there are still some unknowns with what they can do with this 5 nm and the Quad Bayer sensor, which btw, was a sensor Sony will be using in their new mirrorless full frame DSLRs. One of the reasons the Ace Pro is putting some pretty impressive footage especially in low light/night. Of which, neither big companies like GoPro and DJI can come close to, many have tried to compare it and still has not been able to make it as good as the Ace Pro coming out of the camera without post, companies that's had 12 generations and 4 generations of action cameras. Do a search on Bayer Quad technology, it's insane stuff and it's the future. I don't compare phones with these things, phones are great in a close proximity range but once you surpass that limited range, it will start to choke. The lens on phones are tiny and can only do so much, it's gotten better but glass is still glass.
Any fix for Photo Mode included? Processing speed and issues with 48MP issues with strange lines during diving?
Not that I know of, you're the first I've heard of this problem. I do a lot of underwater footage but not photos but I will be on my next trip in about 3 weeks as I'm building a macro shooter with my Ace Pro and will be shooting some in 48 MP. I'll keep you posted.
Excellent improvements and excellent great video from your channel. I like the new fw a lot !. Wish they would have added pure video mode also to the X4. Then we would have seen a huge improvement compared to the X3.
Funny you mentioned this, when I got my X4 I approached the Insta360 team about PureVideo on the X4 due to the fact that it's using the same 5nm CPU which is what's used in the Ace Pro. They told me that the 5nm cpu in the Ace Pro works pretty hard to achieved PureVideo results and to do that with dual 4K stitched would probably set the X4 on fire lol. I suggested even giving us PureVideo in Single Lens mode so that we can take advantage of PureVideo if we didn't have the Ace Pro around, they didn't give me the answer for that one. So, I'm thinking we might see it in X4 as it's still relatively new. I wouldn't be surprised tbh, Insta360 likes to push their hardware limits in these tiny things 🤣
My Electric unicycle videos are buttery smooth
I think the Leica Natural profile is too contrasty - the leaves almost look black. I have shot with it too.
Yah, I said that about that black SUV that I prefer the old over the new in that respect but overall, it's better imo, I think toning it down maybe a notch or two would be perfect.
@@MiyagisRant If you are going to "tone it down" you might as well shoot Flat and then adjust to your taste. I just find Flat with MY tweaking in post to give me the best results, including dynamic range. The new Pure Video is a genuine improvement.
@@markr041 lol you are assuming that most user know how to colour grade/correct. I've sold cameras for 20 years, trust me, most of my customers barely know how to turn on one of these things 🤣
@MiyagisRant Yes, but you just said "tone down" that Leica Natural to correct the contrasy look. If your viewers cannot do that then it seems to me they would be better off not using the Leica profiles. They are just too contrasty and do not look anything like what one gets from a Leica camera using that profile.
@@markr041 Oh heck no, not user side that would defeat what I'm trying to say lol, Insta360 should tone that profile down a notch or two. At the end of the day, these are really just in camera LUTs that allow the user to easily access 'some' color grading/correction without really any skill or knowledge. I can already do this exact thing using LUTs in Davinci and CapCut, look at one of my older videos, I actually tried to show viewers how to easily implement color corrections/grading with Davinci/CapCut using LUTs. Surprisingly enough, CapCut has some pretty insane color grading/correcting tools for a free app. I've worked with Leica, Canon, Nikkor, Fujinon, Kodak optics in the early days. Back in the days we dealt with print, non of this digital stuff. And we should know that unless your monitor is calibrated 'professionally' every display will show colors, contrast differently. I literally have two high end monitors on my desktop and both display colors differently lol Anyways, at the very least, users have 2 more profiles they can use to their liking and that's really the important thing, everyone uses their cameras differently and every has different taste in colors. Some ppl hate Ace Pro's color science, some hate DJI and some GoPro, whatever works for that person is really the important thing ;)
Can we now USE it as WEBCAM or is the quality still CRAP???
i will be honest with you, I don't use my $700 action camera for a webcam, I have a cheap Logitech that works just fine. That said, I literally just hooked mine up to test the webcam feature and it looks just like a webcam to me, not sure what you're looking for with this camera but Insta360 has a dedicated webcam that works very well. :)
A logitech webcam costs 15$ and video quality is good enough that the bottle neck is the teleconference software not the camera.
it makes everything look more dark and that I don't like
You are correct, I mentioned in the sample that it is a bit too dark, one notch up would probably be good.
@@MiyagisRantHow to adjust the setting one notch up in the existed preset option ?
@@tommyli8726 I meant for Insta360 to tweak the Leica NAT, for them to 'lighten' that profile a notch, I've suggested it to their team so we might see it tweak on the next firmware. You can kind of tweak it yourself by playing with the EV settings in the video mode, that will help with the excessive darkness in certain areas ;)
Nice video
just clicked because of the thumbnail, don't even have an ace pro
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