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While I do agree with dorman being crap, I work on a Fleet of caravan cabs with the 3.6l I have done so many of those coolers i'm sure I could do them blind at this point. We just used the OEM cooler, ( and even those fail at a stupid rate), However there was a shortage of them last year were we couldn't get them for 4-6 months. So at that point we tried the dorman part. I am a shocked as anyone but they have held up perfectly for us, particularly as we deal with severe cold here in Canada.
I’ve on the verge of putting up a sign that says we do not install cheap parts. I’m so sick of autozone or duralast.
In most duralast clutches are made by AMS Automotive ,, That you can order cheaper from Amazon
If the factory part keeps failing, why not use an upgraded aftermarket part?
I don't tech any more but there were hundreds of times dorman saved my butt, never had any problems with them
I use 99.9% OEM replacement parts. Some swear by Cardone, Dorman and other aftermarket manufacturers. To each his own.
Dorman is junk. Your rant is legit 👍I went to working on classic cars but still did modern cars on the side. The last time I used dorman was for f350 hvac door modules where you take out the dash. They both failed in a month. And a vent valve on a Chevy truck - failed as well. I won’t dorman anymore. Nothing like redoing those side gigs after your regular job at 10pm.
I remember when Dorman was the only brand techs used bc Dorman was always available
I started running into this last year and at the time the OE part was on backorder unfortunately the wings of failure was the only thing available. So far we haven't had any comebacks on this part.
Wings of Failure 🤣🤣🤣
it will Fail .....Dorman is junk
I've been using Mahle thermostats for the 3.6 and compared to the OEM and they are identical. Both made in Mexico and both have the same barcode marking on the side. not to mention they were a lot cheaper than OE. Hope this helps
Mahler and motorad both make the thermostats for chrysler. I've gotten them out of Mopar bags with both emblems on the.
Got a Dorman water pump for a 5.9 Cummins in a 2004 Dodge Ram 2500. Complete failure I could not even bolt it in. Hello OEM at 5 times the cost but it bolted right in and works great. BTW it was my personal truck and I also replaced all the hoses, thermostat, and tensioner pulley. Everything ended up being OEM replacement parts. that was 4 years ago and everything still works great
Pretty sure the Napa thermostat I put on the wife’s 3.6 had to have been a Dorman. It’s had a small leak around the bottom bolt, and yes, I cleaned the flange prior to reassembly. Probably gonna go get an OEM one and replace
The OEM one used to come complete with both sensors. Not anymore. But they keep upping the price.
"Shrinkflation"
What I like about seeing Dorman parts is that it’s almost always guaranteed to be the cause of the concern. What I don’t like is telling a customer we need to repair the repair they just had paid for. I think it’s pretty common for a car to not return after a Dorman part is installed, mainly because the customer doesn’t want to make that mistake again either.
We use a lot of those 3.6 coolers. By a lot I mean we did 3 on one day 2 weeks ago. We keep 4 different ones in stock if possible. There are two that make metal ones Dorman and another. We keep a Vemo a Mopar then both plastic and metal Dorman. There is another metal one we have in stock now. Most of the techs prefer the metal Dorman over the Mopar one. Honestly we have never had any of them come back from any brand and like I said we do a lot of them.
Dorman is the only company that still makes replacement brake master cylinders for early 1970's F600 grain trucks. I just bought one from them, but haven't installed it yet.
I use the dorman unit with mopar gaskets and o rings.
Southern California my location couldn't even get the dorman ones. Dealer major back order on a few vehicles we've put on the all aluminum coolers from Amazon kind of in a pinch, but they seem to be holding up really really well
I have had good luck with the GM truck front air bag impact sensors. I believe they are from the same supplier as GM. They have no wallet with wings markings and look just like the GM ones. My service writers know if any other dorman parts come in I will drag them to the back and whip them like a rented mule.
It's a wonder that someone hasn't come up with a kit to relocate the Mopar oil cooler to somewhere other than the stock location. A fender well mount or in front of the radiator sounds like a better place.
the normal place for an oil cooler. lol. why we gotta complicate every engine and the parts placed on it. I think Anyone would give up 4-6 inches on the front end of a car to make a part serviceable. so its not a large repair if it does break. Just so annoying.
It wouldn’t be such a big deal if they’d just design it better so it lasted the life of the engine. The problem is that it’s in a bad spot AND it was a poorly designed part.
@@Jpilgrim30 agreed.
I'm pretty sure the 3.6 Pentastar was manufactured in the Dorman factory, making Dorman the OE supplier.
The pentastar is the pinnacle of reliability compared to GM's 1.4 & 3.6 and Fiats multiair.
@@redneck4528 While I don't have any Gm 1.4, or fiats. in my fleet of cabs I have damn near as many GM 3.6L as I do pentastars. And I have to do very little engine work on the GM's compared to always fixing failed rockers and oil coolers on the dodges.
@@beilno2890 you haven't done a timing chain job on a GM 3.6 yet... you're in for a treat
@@redneck4528 Oh I am sure the job sucks, though at this point I doubt it is any worse then the water pumps on 3.5L fords. But if the job rarely/never shows up, even if it sucks doesn't really show that hey have worse reliability.
I think you're on to something.
I've never had a single failure using the cheap aftermarket aluminum jobbers. They fit fine and while the seals may crap out some day.... never seen that.
At the dealership I work at we have some aftermarket coolant tank that have been defective. Everytime we replace the coolant tank a "critically low coolant warning"appears on the dashboard. Been a common problem. Our Volvo coolant tanks are on back order and one of the parts guys got us these dorman aftermarket coolant tanks are junk and defective.
💯...Love it! All factual, ty.
« You trust doorman gasket, really » 🤣🤣
I see a lot of people replacing the OEM Toyota plastic filter housings with metal Dorman housings. Funny thing is, The plastic Toyota housings are actually stronger than the Dorman aluminum ones, so you’re actually downgrading.
We use a fair amount of Dorman products. The SO "was" obsessed with, "Saving the customers money". Sometimes the part fails before the vehicle leaves the shop, other times within a few months😖
I fix a fleet of 3.6s (200 or so vehicles), every failure is flattened orings. The actual cooler is fine unless you overheat the motor.
Did I hear you accusing Dorman of committing fraud at the 1:00 minute mark? Also, your logic says: The Chrysler part is junk, but I won't try the Dorman part because it might be junk... because of the name.
I did this oil cooler for a town and country and I grabbed both Forman and the dealer part and after unboxing, they were absolutely identical. They are made in the same factory.
I saw a Bosch throttle position sensor in a Walker box. It's strange how that works sometimes.
It’s hard to trust anything nowadays. I came across the same issue with a 2009 ford escape. The factory brake shoes were identical to the oreilly brand. The only difference was the box. The parts guy at ford dig deeper and found the parts in our hands had updated part numbers. The quality ones got discontinued. Ford outsourced subpar parts :/
I’m sure this is happening more and more as the United States consumer really allows it to happen. I know that overseas, cars among other things are built better.
In the end, don’t get hung up on a name. But do find a quality part to install, and it may not always be a dealer part.
I sold a Dayco upper radiator hose for a Dodge Avenger yesterday, and the coolant cap had the Chrysler Pentastar and part number. It didn't really surprise me one bit.
I completely agree with everything you said.
I replaced one the other day on a Durango citadel. It was a standard brand with a factory cooler the box
Great video Mike as always I just don't trust After Market parts give me OEM parts any day but to each their own.And Dorman is at the top of my list!!!
I'm actually laughing out loud at the part about Dorman outdated cam phasers with the Ford name ground off. That is hilarious. I had no idea they did that.
The pentacrap engine!
The only thing I have willingly used that dorman makes is jeep wrangler shifter tower that because Chrysler is junk from the factory and that about the only thing that I found dorman has made that actually holds up
I lucked out to get a newer Pacifica in and the part is similar but pretty much the same deal, and they can’t be had, from aftermarket or Chrysler, thing was pouring oil out and I couldn’t do anything for them….
I"ve found that if you purchase the Standard brand oil cooler for the Pentastar 3.6, that you will get an OEM Chrysler part in the box for a lot less money.....
Dealers always back order here in Hawaii.
I got one of the oil filter housing that was missing the brass insert for the coolant temp sensor and it was a Chrysler product in the box I have a picture but I’m not sure how to add to the comment and it was the last one in Florida
EXACTLY what happened to mine. Temp dropped and oil housing failed.
As a Chrysler tech I will tell you that Chrysler updated the part number. With the new part number the oil cooler assembly does not come with the sensors anymore.
We as techs are having to get in tune with time management, part ordering, and service advisors recently. This b/o parts situation is hurting paychecks when we are not able to complete jobs.
I think the sensors is what made them back ordered. Sucks because those aren't readily available. And always love when they don't come out of the housing when the brass fitting if you have to reuse the sensors.
What about the dorman piece for the ecotec 2.4 for when the upper chain guide bolt breaks off in The block will you use that?
Agree 100% I’ve had an oil pan from doorman that was drilled wrong, one hole off slightly. How do yah fuck that up lol
You wont use the new dorman cooler because you want return customers so you can buy a third matco box. If you worker for a dealer the first step is o ring replacement first before the cooler gets replaced.
Napa brand tech expert is mopar part in napa box.
Every shops different. I started a new shop that swear by the dorman cooler I hate installing it.
The only Dorman stuff I will use is the timing cover plug for the 2.4 ecotech engines. And only if the bolt destroys the head beyond what a time sert will fix
OEM Chrysler parts are typically worse than anything aftermarket
Based on the comments, it sounds like other peoples experience with the aluminum Dorman oul coolers is different from yours. You forgot to mention the oem plastic filter housing also cracks (from quick lube abuse?). I ended up replacing the oil pressure sensor after 3 months, its accessible w/o removing any other parts.
Hey FRM tax season is around the corner! Maybe a video talking about what people do for taxes working flat rate?
You would rather replace the failed plastic part with another plastic part instead of a metal oil filter housing? The issue is the plastic part warps so that’s why they made it all aluminum. Why go back with the same part that failed in the first place. That doesn’t make much sense to me
Look at the Motor city mechanics video; the aluminum one does NOT work on all versions of the 3.6.
@@LoneWolfSparty his video is a year old, dorman offers an aluminum replacement for all 3.6 engines now
There’s one thing I know Dorman does better than OE…everyone knows the shitty ford lug nuts that swell and you have to hammer a socket on to get them off cause a company that’s been making cars for 120 years can’t figure out how to design a lug nut? The dorman replacement lug nuts are a 1 piece design, no chrome cap BS.
The big 3 plus some Toyota and Honda’s have the same design. I’ve done enough rotates on Rams and Silverados to just grab a 22 and 23mm so I don’t make two trips.
@@warrenself it’s a problem for all of them but I feel like most often it’s the fords.
Ford had this problem in the 80s on the Ranger. But I see a lot of GMs with the same problem style nuts before the plastic cover caps came along. Molars also has em.
I'm not a professional but I wrench on my own stuff once it's paid off except oil changes and tire rotation. Firestone over torqued mine on a oil change on my 16 Cherokee and cracked the housing. I replaced it with a dorman metal one but I didn't know they had such a bad reputation. I'll never buy Chrysler again that whole cooling system was a POS and a pain to work on.
Chrysler "quality" lmfao
I'm curious, who's your Worldpac rep?
This is the one case where the dorman all metal design is superior and future lube tech proof from over torquing the filter cap and cracking the housing.
"This is Georgia"
How about in the last 6 month these oil coolers shipping with no sensors and having the buy them separately!
I will use a Dorman bolt,nut or washer with the proper strength rating. Nothing else if there is a choice.
I just put a dorman 3 6 oil cooler assembly in today. Shop cost was 249 through advance auto. The customer about fell out when they were told it was 289 and 2.6 hours labor.
I mean, most people who don't know anything might think, oh oil leak, simple cheap. for some people that 300 plus 2.6 which is what? another 300? Not sure where you work ect labour rate but ye. 600 for a leak isnt good news for the average person.
I guess my point is they came in today. They are on the road leak free tonight and saved 100+ on the part and are not waiting to get the oem part. It may not be for everyone but most out customers 150 dollars is worth going after market. Comes with upper and lower intake gaskets to. The oem does not.I like the wings of failure, i will have to tell the guys that tomorrow. We are out of central fl
If I owned one of those piles of junk, I'd give the Dorman a go.
It's not that easy to build something that's worse than what Chrysler built. You'd have to be actively trying to fail. 🤣🤣🤣
F no not just o-rings, not worth the hassle doing it again
Dodge told us they had a rash of defective recently..
I had a oem (dealership) 3.6L cooler with a defective o.p. switch..had to redo immediately..F×/% ...
It’s Chrysler. Something else will fail first.
It's a fiat even worse
But how do you really feel
Customer assurance warranty, who grants us Technicians a guarantee we will be able to pay our medical bills with knock off parts.
I believe dorman makes an aluminum version of that housing that never fails. Idk why people go oem
The dorman one only fits the 1 version of the engine, not later generations. They are NOT backwards compatible.
@@LoneWolfSparty how do you figure? We get them all the time with the temp sensor that’s on there and they fit right in there on the ones that don’t have that. Intake plenum still clears it.
@@Wdbjr12345 I think in the instructions with the dorman kit it even says what applications it does and does not work for; the one I had, it fit, but one of the bolt holes didn't line up (and it wasn't even close either), I think it was one of the ones that was mentioned in the insert too. I'd have to look at the RO at work to tell you specifics as to what make/model it is.
We've been using the napa eof100 without any issues thus far.
For dorman users, STAY AWAY from Chevy cruze valve covers for the PCV faults. OEM only. Unless you like cleaning up large external oil leaks within minutes.....
Does the part stores reimburse the shop for warranty besides the new part
yes parts and labor, we are a WP technet shop and it is covered for 3 yrs/36
@@flatratemaster that's good
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I can understand; I've been at this 40+ years. Cardone and Dorman are parts of last resort; if I couldn't get anything else, then and only then, did I resort to either of those brands. IMHO, they are only one step up from a used part with no history.
Dorman is absolute garbage and most parts house parts are Low quality junk !!! I only buy parts from the dealership
Dorman is fine. At least they step up and try to improve a crappy design. Apparently the OEM isn’t the epitome of quality either 😂
When is Dorman going to improve on their crappy improvements though? They’ve literally admitted they have design flaws.
@@Ram2253spd well then it looks like a huge opportunity for some competition. All the armchair experts need to get together and show them how it’s done. Oh wait, they can’t, because it’s actually not that cut and dried easy.
@@chekelley6861 that doesn’t exactly answer my question though. Dorman has constant failures on most of their current products but instead of improving on those they just make more “improvements “ to what they think is an OE failure.
@@Ram2253spd who says they have any more failures than any other manufacturers? It’s all anecdotal stories. Out of the millions of Dorman parts used each year, there are bound to be failures. I mean it’s not like there are that many different factories in the world that make fuel pump modules or xyz thingamabob sensors. They all come from the same place. I’m fairly certain that if a scientific study was done, their failure rate, as a percentage of parts sold, isn’t much worse than OEM. I assure you, if Dorman went out of business tomorrow, the motoring public would be royally screwed.
@@chekelley6861 if everyone would be screwed which part in existence right now is only purchased through Dorman?
Do it once and do it properly. No way i would reuse the old plastic thats done 100k under all the heat.
Dorman LMAO
We've last our ass a ridiculous amount within the last year because of Dorman and other cheap shit from the auto parts store. But guess what, my boss just keeps on ordering it. It's pissed me off to the point I am about ready to quit..... I personally have used three or four different brands with the oil cooler housings and haven't had any problems with any of the brands. Knock on wood.
G Jerry ain't gonna like this video.🤭
I can’t stand Dorman products.
I refuse to use any dorman product there quality has gone to pot over the last 10 years and they do not back there products as they say and they do not cover the labour cost of replacing there parts when the fail prematurely yet napa parts ford oem GM oem even some times dodge will cover the labour costs I hate aftermarket in so many ways
Risk it?!?! 😂it's a 3 hour job. The dorman will put that plastic crap to shame. It's the one thing dorman makes that is actually good.
Dorman used to be good, before everyone descided China Made was the only option. Dorman sucks now.
I dont know why shop owners wanna be some damn cheap & greedy and use Dorman parts. I would rather turn a job down then use Dorman even when the oem parts on back order until the end of time.
And world pac..lol..whatta a joke
Dorman. Stranding motorists and frustrating technicians since 1918.
Dorman. For technicians who love their job so much they get to do the job twice.
Napa Solutions = Dorman O.E. Solutions
dorman "upgrade" parts are junk
Are you a Dorman salesman or something?
This industry sucks. Im glad I left.
Eric seems to have good luck so far with the Dorman version...I'd use it instead of the stellantis trash lol