Line B of the Rotterdam metro is also (partly) a converted heavy-rail line, similar to line E. It got a weirdness upgrade a year and a half ago with its new terminal station, which is _on the beach._
Cheers from a transport planner in The Hague 😊 you pretty much got the facts right. One thing you forgot to mention is that both these systems are running parallel to mainline rail with high frequencies (hence the ridership decline of the former Zoetermeer and Hofplein lines)
whoa, a transit planner in the hague? that’s so cool, you must have the best job ever: urban planning in a place where carbrained people are not in charge of everything!
You're really lucky! I'd love to go to The Netherlands and ride their trains! You got to go and not only ride their trains, but got to ride their weirdest lines! I'm planning this week to ride Dearborn, Michigan's weirdest train line!
Being born in the Loosduinen area in The Hague and having lived in Zoetermeer for 27 years it’s so funny to see this video. I now live next to the Metro E line around the corner from the Pijnacker Centrum station (the one in the tunnel in the middle of a rural village). I visit places around the world for work often and have traveled on the Minneapolis lightrail, the NYC subway, Tokyo and Osaka metro, the Shinkansen, Paris metro, London underground, Italian intercity trains, Shanghai metro and many others I don’t remember from the top of my head but all are so totally different. It’s so fascinating! Though I’m more into aviation to be honest. Your pronunciation of Dutch names is hilarious btw, very entertaining!
nice video man! and btw, if you like weird transit and wanna have some fun, you should try the ParkShuttle in Rotterdam, is is like a line where automated 'pods' bring you to your destination along the line
Yeah it's quirky and weird, but it's a pretty bad system. Building tracks would've been cheaper than the dedicated bus road, easier to integrate into the rest of the Rotterdam transit network, easier to make autonomous, and would look better than the wide sheet of asphalt
DAMMIT ROTTERDAM!!!!!!!!!!! YOURE DOING TECH BRO TRANSIT TOO? in all seriousness, if you want to see me ranting about electric pods, check out my video entitled “New York’s STUPIDEST Transit” from a month or so ago
@@MrThijmenmees yea I agree bro, if you think about it it is pretty stupid to build it, especially because it doesn't (yet) connect to anything else then a random business park. there were plans like a few years ago to make it run in the middle of other traffic to connect it to a water bus, they built all the infrastructure for it, but no progress has been made in the past 4 years or so. but they are fun to ride on when it is not all too busy 🙂
Line 11 was originally designed by the HIJSM, a railway company. It was designed as a heavy rail line but used by steam trams, who are lightrail (quite simular as line E is today). You can see this because the line has his own right of way, and doesn't share tracks with streets. The line even had irregularly freight service until the 90s, using special electric locomotives. The HTM (municipal tramways) eventually bought line 11 from HIJSM, electrified it and making it more and more aligned to the regular network.
De Uithof is the destination, it used to be the ice skate ring, now it's a multi sport complex. A big park too though. There's another loop at the end of line 2, at Kraayensteinlaan.
Well done, good video, and mosty correct. Line E is a huge success, since it makes it easier for lots of people in the Southern Randstad to travel within the region. Lots of commuters use it. Southern Randstad has quite a lot of people, say between 2 and 3 million, depending on how you count.
I think you need to practice on Dutch combination vowels and combination consonants. A quick lesson. Dutch "oe" is English "oo". Dutch "eu" is German/Swedish "ö". Dutch "ui" is unique in the world I am afraid. Dutch "IJ" is actually one letter and it is more or less pronounced as English "I". Dutch "ng" is pronounced as English "ng" (as in strong). The Dutch "e" in second syllabi or in the last syllabus is mostly pronounced "uh" (schwa). And also, slow down. Nobody understood the tram line map. Take a few minutes to explain the logic of the lines.
Dude when did u travel in that, I might have seen you by the way, you're completely right about the few stations next to centrum-west only travelling to centrum-west to change there. I often go from 'Delftsewallen' to 'Driemanspolder', because I have to get on the train there, but even then walking is faster than waiting for the tram and walking across the bridge anyways.
I love Holland, I am always impressed with the Dutch people's language skills, seems everyone speak flawless English as well as untold other languages. When it comes European Metro, I would put Stockholm Sweden on your must visit list, really unique and colorful stations
The section of line E between The Hague and Rotterdam runs the route of the first Dutch electrified train line, from 1908. It was built by some owners of companies in the Rotterdam harbor, but lived in The Hague. They didn't want to take the filthy steam train, so laid their own line. Furthermore, for a long time it was also used to transport vegetables from the intermediate villages to the cities. This makes the line particular.
Where you now dive into a tunnel just before the center of Rotterdam, the train line ran straight across a viaduct over the highway, over an elevated track to the terminus at Hofplein. This terminus had no direct connection to any other railroad, while the terminus was directly adjacent to another railroad. But fortunately it was within walking distance from Rotterdam Central Station.
Oh btw, you might like rhein ruhr tram/lightrail subway systems. They are completely connected starting from bochum and ending in large cities like Essen, Duisburg, Dusseldorf, Krefeld and Neuss (sadly Dortmund isn’t connected to Bochum yet)
There's a really cool section where you pass a workshop and on there you have these trams, the Rotterdam metro ánd sometimes heavy rail running side by side. Must be a great sight to see.
10:00 its so people gonna use public transport more but also because it makes sence. these are big public & import buildings alot of people are gonna visit so makes sence to make a bus-tram transit point there. also the older tram at 10:00 is an GTL8 (gelede Tram lang-8) & are a custom design from the HTM it self. while they are old & now sadly getting replaced i find them much more confy & easier to stand in dual the metal bars also bonus points for trying to pronaunce our words. i often switch from bus 456 to tram line 4 or 6 to get to Den Haag Centraal
Speaking as someone who commutes via Randstadrail 4 times a week: just a couple of weeks ago the heavy rail connection from The Hague to Rotterdam was out, due to maintenance works. Travelers between The Hague and Rotterdam were advised to take the E line instead, with the result that the line was much busier than normal.
Oh I love the randstadrail vehicles the Regio Citadis is one of my favourite modern trams. There seats are the most comfortable out of all trams in the country, there very reliable and are very good looking.
Loved the quick history about this line. I rode the old version many times and could never wrap my head around the weird loop in Zoetermeer and figure out which train to take in which direction to get back to The Hague. About the Randstad, Utrecht is also considered part of it and I think nowadays we also consider the southern half of Flevoland part of it. It’s rather an economical part of the county instead of a geographical though. But to confuse the hell out of people they decided to call a lightrail line that only runs through Zuid-Holland Randstadrail, sorry about that 😂
Just to help you out with any future videos... dutch has a number of digraphs (two letters resembling a single sound) that aren't hard to learn but will make your discussion of dutch places a lot easier. In Zoetermeer, the 'oe' digraph is pronounced like the 'oo' in 'wood'. In Leiden, the 'ei' digraph is sort of pronounced like the i in 'wide' or 'side'. Same goes for the 'ij' digraph. The word 'fiets' (bicycle) has the 'ie' digraph pronounced like 'ee' in 'weed'. (But to be clear: the dutch 'ee' digraph is pronounced as the a in 'ate'.) The 'au' and 'ou' digraphs are pronounced like the 'ow' in 'how'. Besides that, the 'J' in 'Javalaan' is pronounced like an English y as in 'you' or 'yank'. 3:53 - Not quite correct; the name has nothing to do with the provinces. The 'Randstad' is just a description of the 'border of cities' that describes the crescent-like area made up of Utrecht (province Utrecht), Amsterdam (province North Holland), Rotterdam and The Hague (provice South Holland). It it where the majority of population and thus traffic and 'urban' society tends to concentrate itself.
@@honajtransit grammar is a little hard, with our split composite verbs, secondary sentences with the verb at the end, numbers that are reversed like in German etc, but pronunciation is easier, as soon as you get the sounds right, including those that don't exist in English, there are hardly any exception, unlike English.
Streetcars used to ran to parks (usually they added rides at some point so they became amusement parks. You have the Norristown High Speed Line where the line has long outlived the amusement park or Clementon Park and Lake Compounce where the park has long outlived the streetcar)
I used to go onto this daily while going to school! And the R in RET is not for Randstad but for Rotterdam (Rotterdam Electrische Tram) as it used to be an electrical tram company when it started out:)
@@honajtransit It's fantastic tow other underground railways to try: the one in Glasgow and the old Royal Mail Undergound in London - it's as if USPS had their own subway and it's open to the public to ride
One aspect of the OV Chip card payment you forgot ! HTM has on board readers. RET on mayor stations has gates as national rail, in between there are readers at the platform.this aswell as national rail, On beep In, Two beeps Ouf !
There's another "used to be a train" line. the #1 tramline between The Hague and Delft, along the Vliet. It's the old regional tramline. There were many of those, connecting the countryside to the city.
Oe, like in Zoetermeer is pronounced like oo in good. I like to see what surprises you, whereas I (65 years) have seen it develope. Den Haag you pronounce remarkely well!!
The tram/metro system in and around The Hague turned out so interesting as it makes use of old rail lines where it can. Tram 1 runs from the small city of Delft through The Hague out to Scheveningen beach over more old railway lines, providing a lot more quirks you'd love. The fastest link between The Hague, Delft, Schiedam and Rotterdam is normally the regular train service, but the trams and metro are perfect for anyone who wants to get in and out of the sprawl of suburbs in between the city centres.
Have to add that Metro line can sometimes be almost just as quick as train and then metro when you have to be in a specific spot in Rotterdam. As the transfer also takes some time, so sometmes it is only like 5-10 min difference in total.
@@toppie34 Hangt er erg vanaf waar jij moet zijn. Voor best veel verbindingen is de metro sneller. Jij bent in iets van de 30/35 minuten van Zuidplein in Leidschendam/Voorburg of Leidschenveen.
Tell me. Is there something wrong with the public transport in The Netherlands? It's very busy with trains that have for large sections the same stations or the same stops like the GVB in Amsterdam. For example you can travel between Alkmaar and Amsterdam with 3 different ways. Sprinter to Amsterdam, Intercity to Nijmegen, Intercity to Maastricht
why would something be wrong? the way these trains run, you have many trains on the busiest parts. If you need to go to a station that is served by all these trains, you pick the one that leaves first, or gets you at the closest time you need to be at the destination. However, if you want to go to Maastricht, or Nijmegen, you get to the station at the time that one is going to leave, so you can remain on that train the whole distance. If you took another, you would have to switch to the right train somewhere in that journey.
I live along the Hoekse Lijn, the old heavy rail line between Schiedam and Hook of Holland that's been converted to light rail and is now part of the Rotterdam metro system. Until the 1990s it was an important international route and there was a direct intercity service connecting the ferry from England at Hook of Holland to Amsterdam until 2006. The line then suffered from similar issues as the Zoetermeerstadslijn and the Hofpleinlijn. I'm still not 100% convinced the conversion was as solid of an idea as it was on the other two examples (Hofpleinlijn was never connected to Rotterdam Central Station, for instance). Sure, the station on the beach is pretty cool for those couple of weeks in summer, but I would've much preferred to still have a direct connection to Rotterdam Central Station. The frequency at the station I live by also pretty much the same as it was when it was still heavy rail (only increased on Sundays, but that's just a choice, doesn't have anything to do with any technical improvements). I'm also just nostalgic for the odd freight train and steam locomotive passing by my house haha. There is one very interesting aspect though, which gave them a big headache when designing the safety software and signalling: because of industry there is still a section where freight trains can share the track with the light rail trains, namely between Schiedam Centrum and Vlaardingen Vulcaanhaven yard. Because of the narrower metro trains, however, the platforms stuck out too much so designed a gauntlet track where there are intertwined tracks at Schiedam Nieuwland and Vlaardingen Oost to allow the freight trains to pass the platforms. The first time they had ever done something like that for heavy rail, you only see that type of gauntlet tracks with trams here.
thanks for all this info! the metro B seems cool to ride. granted, the B still has a two-seat ride to rotterdam centraal, and it does serve the city center directly, but yeah a 20-min frequency is awful for a metro!
RET Line E is weird? Why? You should have seen the former trains on the (almost) same track. Thát was weird. And slow. And dirty. And noisy. And very empty. And had a terrible terminus, Rotterdam Hofplein. For me there's not that much weird about line E. It does what it has to do: connecting two major city centers quickly with a lot of suburbs. The only mistake is the missing station at the airport.
You could probably have asked someone how names are pronounced. Most Dutchmen are happy to instruct our phonetically challenged brothers and sisters in rest of the world, ie. everyone else, in the way god intended letters to be pronounced, as we're the only ones that seem to be getting it right. 😜 You would have learned that you could simply have pronounced "Zoet" as "Soot" instead of that complicated "z-oh-eh-t" with which you're putting the tip of your tongue in mortal danger of being bitten off. 😁 (Knowing my fellow Dutchmen they'd probably throw in some interesting new curses with which to impress your friends and neighbours, entertain impressionable young children and scare off small predators.)
Rotterdam metro is perpetually dirty, in general Rotterdam is a pretty dirty city LOL But yeah don't expect clean public transit here tbh, there's a lot of cost cutting on the cleaning and people are kinda antisocial making everything dirty. Also, lots of seats is a thing on all Rotterdam metro lines (it's also a thing on our Sprinter trains), it's just bad design. Amsterdam got some common sense with their newer metro units having more standing space and transverse seating, but there's still far too few hand holds. Then again, the Dutch definition of a "busy" train is one where you have to sit next to a stranger... The metro isn't really a link between the two cities, it kinda serves the same purpose as the Zoetermeer line, connecting a bunch of suburbia to the main city stations and cores. The main link between Den Haag and Rotterdam is the rail line.
Cleanliness could be better, and has been better in the past, but I would not say it's terrible. And I disagree that lots of seating is bad design, for the longer trips the Rotterdam Metro also makes, you need a higher level of comfort than just standing room only.
An The Hague Centraal Station the City liner The Train does not stop Above Hey was stopping on the Train station end the train now to Zoetermeer is also stopping on the Train station
Zoo ter mere. I always thought metro versus tram was a moot point. Metros don't always go underground, trams don't always go above. Let's just call them as one. And let's keep them above. Underground is quite busy as is, and commuters like a bit of a view. Just some daylight instead of artificial lights in a concrete bunker, for your daily commute. People don't cope well with living underground, let's not start here.
The "oe" in Dutch is pronounced as an English "oo" in "boot" and the double "ee" is pronounced as in English the first "e" in "here". That should help you say Zoetermeer without sounding like you come from Mars 😉
As a Zoetermeer native you are allowed to say Sweet Lake City
Is dat een Laura H grapje
😁👍
Is het niet gewoon "Sweeterlake" ?
079 mag ook
More Sweeter we say
Line B of the Rotterdam metro is also (partly) a converted heavy-rail line, similar to line E. It got a weirdness upgrade a year and a half ago with its new terminal station, which is _on the beach._
Yes, Hoek van Holland!
Cheers from a transport planner in The Hague 😊 you pretty much got the facts right. One thing you forgot to mention is that both these systems are running parallel to mainline rail with high frequencies (hence the ridership decline of the former Zoetermeer and Hofplein lines)
whoa, a transit planner in the hague? that’s so
cool, you must have the best job ever: urban planning in a place where carbrained people are not in charge of everything!
@@honajtransitI think that’s not entirely the case. Cars are still dominant in our overcrowded country.
Tell that to thr USA 😂@@lampje3417
Good heavens, you went to Slinge. That's dedication.
Guy got balls of steel.
on some days its the only way to get a seat for the return journey to Den Haag.
Love the way you pronounce Slinge, never heard that in my entire life. But from now on, I will keep saying it your way! 😃
You're really lucky! I'd love to go to The Netherlands and ride their trains! You got to go and not only ride their trains, but got to ride their weirdest lines! I'm planning this week to ride Dearborn, Michigan's weirdest train line!
dearborn, michigan has a train?
@@honajtransit Yes there's a train ride around there at Greenfield Village or somewhere near there
Being born in the Loosduinen area in The Hague and having lived in Zoetermeer for 27 years it’s so funny to see this video. I now live next to the Metro E line around the corner from the Pijnacker Centrum station (the one in the tunnel in the middle of a rural village). I visit places around the world for work often and have traveled on the Minneapolis lightrail, the NYC subway, Tokyo and Osaka metro, the Shinkansen, Paris metro, London underground, Italian intercity trains, Shanghai metro and many others I don’t remember from the top of my head but all are so totally different. It’s so fascinating! Though I’m more into aviation to be honest. Your pronunciation of Dutch names is hilarious btw, very entertaining!
nice video man! and btw, if you like weird transit and wanna have some fun, you should try the ParkShuttle in Rotterdam, is is like a line where automated 'pods' bring you to your destination along the line
Yeah it's quirky and weird, but it's a pretty bad system. Building tracks would've been cheaper than the dedicated bus road, easier to integrate into the rest of the Rotterdam transit network, easier to make autonomous, and would look better than the wide sheet of asphalt
DAMMIT ROTTERDAM!!!!!!!!!!! YOURE DOING TECH BRO TRANSIT TOO?
in all seriousness, if you want to see me ranting about electric pods, check out my video entitled “New York’s STUPIDEST Transit” from a month or so ago
@@honajtransit haha thank you I will definitely watch that one!!
@@MrThijmenmees yea I agree bro, if you think about it it is pretty stupid to build it, especially because it doesn't (yet) connect to anything else then a random business park.
there were plans like a few years ago to make it run in the middle of other traffic to connect it to a water bus, they built all the infrastructure for it, but no progress has been made in the past 4 years or so.
but they are fun to ride on when it is not all too busy 🙂
Line 11 was originally designed by the HIJSM, a railway company. It was designed as a heavy rail line but used by steam trams, who are lightrail (quite simular as line E is today). You can see this because the line has his own right of way, and doesn't share tracks with streets. The line even had irregularly freight service until the 90s, using special electric locomotives. The HTM (municipal tramways) eventually bought line 11 from HIJSM, electrified it and making it more and more aligned to the regular network.
De Uithof is the destination, it used to be the ice skate ring, now it's a multi sport complex. A big park too though.
There's another loop at the end of line 2, at Kraayensteinlaan.
Well done, good video, and mosty correct. Line E is a huge success, since it makes it easier for lots of people in the Southern Randstad to travel within the region. Lots of commuters use it. Southern Randstad has quite a lot of people, say between 2 and 3 million, depending on how you count.
I think you need to practice on Dutch combination vowels and combination consonants. A quick lesson. Dutch "oe" is English "oo". Dutch "eu" is German/Swedish "ö". Dutch "ui" is unique in the world I am afraid. Dutch "IJ" is actually one letter and it is more or less pronounced as English "I". Dutch "ng" is pronounced as English "ng" (as in strong). The Dutch "e" in second syllabi or in the last syllabus is mostly pronounced "uh" (schwa). And also, slow down. Nobody understood the tram line map. Take a few minutes to explain the logic of the lines.
thanks for the dutch-language tips, it is not an easy language!
Dude when did u travel in that, I might have seen you
by the way, you're completely right about the few stations next to centrum-west only travelling to centrum-west to change there. I often go from 'Delftsewallen' to 'Driemanspolder', because I have to get on the train there, but even then walking is faster than waiting for the tram and walking across the bridge anyways.
this was filmed back in july!
I love Holland, I am always impressed with the Dutch people's language skills, seems everyone speak flawless English as well as untold other languages. When it comes European Metro, I would put Stockholm Sweden on your must visit list, really unique and colorful stations
The section of line E between The Hague and Rotterdam runs the route of the first Dutch electrified train line, from 1908. It was built by some owners of companies in the Rotterdam harbor, but lived in The Hague. They didn't want to take the filthy steam train, so laid their own line. Furthermore, for a long time it was also used to transport vegetables from the intermediate villages to the cities. This makes the line particular.
Where you now dive into a tunnel just before the center of Rotterdam, the train line ran straight across a viaduct over the highway, over an elevated track to the terminus at Hofplein. This terminus had no direct connection to any other railroad, while the terminus was directly adjacent to another railroad. But fortunately it was within walking distance from Rotterdam Central Station.
Oh btw, you might like rhein ruhr tram/lightrail subway systems. They are completely connected starting from bochum and ending in large cities like Essen, Duisburg, Dusseldorf, Krefeld and Neuss (sadly Dortmund isn’t connected to Bochum yet)
germany has so much cool transit, i need to go there at some point!
@ yeah, too bad that Cologne avoids Heavy Rail and triple ligth rail units at all costs tho
There's a really cool section where you pass a workshop and on there you have these trams, the Rotterdam metro ánd sometimes heavy rail running side by side. Must be a great sight to see.
I think we need a deeper analysis of the Hague and Cleveland.
10:00 its so people gonna use public transport more but also because it makes sence. these are big public & import buildings alot of people are gonna visit so makes sence to make a bus-tram transit point there. also the older tram at 10:00 is an GTL8 (gelede Tram lang-8) & are a custom design from the HTM it self.
while they are old & now sadly getting replaced i find them much more confy & easier to stand in dual the metal bars
also bonus points for trying to pronaunce our words. i often switch from bus 456 to tram line 4 or 6 to get to Den Haag Centraal
oe is just oo like in loop. any appearance of u isn't oo but an ü sound or a schwa.
Good stuff mate.
Speaking as someone who commutes via Randstadrail 4 times a week: just a couple of weeks ago the heavy rail connection from The Hague to Rotterdam was out, due to maintenance works. Travelers between The Hague and Rotterdam were advised to take the E line instead, with the result that the line was much busier than normal.
that must have been interesting! did they at least run longer trains?
Oh I love the randstadrail vehicles the Regio Citadis is one of my favourite modern trams. There seats are the most comfortable out of all trams in the country, there very reliable and are very good looking.
Loved the quick history about this line. I rode the old version many times and could never wrap my head around the weird loop in Zoetermeer and figure out which train to take in which direction to get back to The Hague.
About the Randstad, Utrecht is also considered part of it and I think nowadays we also consider the southern half of Flevoland part of it. It’s rather an economical part of the county instead of a geographical though.
But to confuse the hell out of people they decided to call a lightrail line that only runs through Zuid-Holland Randstadrail, sorry about that 😂
the ad wrap thumbnail is funny
fair enough but i really liked that shot
Just to help you out with any future videos... dutch has a number of digraphs (two letters resembling a single sound) that aren't hard to learn but will make your discussion of dutch places a lot easier.
In Zoetermeer, the 'oe' digraph is pronounced like the 'oo' in 'wood'.
In Leiden, the 'ei' digraph is sort of pronounced like the i in 'wide' or 'side'. Same goes for the 'ij' digraph.
The word 'fiets' (bicycle) has the 'ie' digraph pronounced like 'ee' in 'weed'. (But to be clear: the dutch 'ee' digraph is pronounced as the a in 'ate'.)
The 'au' and 'ou' digraphs are pronounced like the 'ow' in 'how'.
Besides that, the 'J' in 'Javalaan' is pronounced like an English y as in 'you' or 'yank'.
3:53 - Not quite correct; the name has nothing to do with the provinces. The 'Randstad' is just a description of the 'border of cities' that describes the crescent-like area made up of Utrecht (province Utrecht), Amsterdam (province North Holland), Rotterdam and The Hague (provice South Holland). It it where the majority of population and thus traffic and 'urban' society tends to concentrate itself.
thanks for the tips, dutch is not an easy language (but it is really cool!)
@@honajtransit grammar is a little hard, with our split composite verbs, secondary sentences with the verb at the end, numbers that are reversed like in German etc, but pronunciation is easier, as soon as you get the sounds right, including those that don't exist in English, there are hardly any exception, unlike English.
We do have as well Tram-Train Lines in Switzerland. From Bern to Worb (6) and from Zürich to Esslingen (S18)
yes, when i was in switzerland, i tried to ride the S18 but it was shut down!
Streetcars used to ran to parks (usually they added rides at some point so they became amusement parks. You have the Norristown High Speed Line where the line has long outlived the amusement park or Clementon Park and Lake Compounce where the park has long outlived the streetcar)
Drievliet between The Hague and Delft was such a destination on the old The Hague - Delft tramline, now the #1
I used to go onto this daily while going to school! And the R in RET is not for Randstad but for Rotterdam (Rotterdam Electrische Tram) as it used to be an electrical tram company when it started out:)
good point - i meant the “R” in R-NET
The oe in Zoetermeer sounds like the oo in zoo
the high park in toronto has the 506 streetcar. also a park near the EU parliament in strasbourg has a tram to that park
oh interesting, this is further proof that i need to get my butt to toronto
Good video and great trip around the system. Did you make it to Berlin and ride the UBahn?
Not yet, but Berlin seems like a really cool city!
@@honajtransit It's fantastic tow other underground railways to try: the one in Glasgow and the old Royal Mail Undergound in London - it's as if USPS had their own subway and it's open to the public to ride
When you mentioned Utrecht, I had assumed you were on the Regiotram Utrecht, but RandstadRail is fun, too.
One remark:
When you put the judgement “weird” into your title question, its not a real question, but more a statement
One aspect of the OV Chip card payment you forgot ! HTM has on board readers. RET on mayor stations has gates as national rail, in between there are readers at the platform.this aswell as national rail, On beep In, Two beeps Ouf !
indeed, i used an OV-chipkaart for most of my travels, but since there was that cheaper daypass, i used that here!
There's another "used to be a train" line. the #1 tramline between The Hague and Delft, along the Vliet. It's the old regional tramline. There were many of those, connecting the countryside to the city.
Oe, like in Zoetermeer is pronounced like oo in good. I like to see what surprises you, whereas I (65 years) have seen it develope. Den Haag you pronounce remarkely well!!
Great video sir, did you then go on the rotterdam metro?
nope, i did a lil’ tram joyriding then headed back to amsterdam!
Metroline E could be more busy dual to ether works done to the main NS railway between Den Haag & Rotterdam or dual to a strike from pro-rail
he filmed in July so the line via Delft was probably closed
The tram/metro system in and around The Hague turned out so interesting as it makes use of old rail lines where it can. Tram 1 runs from the small city of Delft through The Hague out to Scheveningen beach over more old railway lines, providing a lot more quirks you'd love. The fastest link between The Hague, Delft, Schiedam and Rotterdam is normally the regular train service, but the trams and metro are perfect for anyone who wants to get in and out of the sprawl of suburbs in between the city centres.
Hofplein line used to have an extension to Scheveningen
Have to add that Metro line can sometimes be almost just as quick as train and then metro when you have to be in a specific spot in Rotterdam. As the transfer also takes some time, so sometmes it is only like 5-10 min difference in total.
@@toppie34 Hangt er erg vanaf waar jij moet zijn. Voor best veel verbindingen is de metro sneller. Jij bent in iets van de 30/35 minuten van Zuidplein in Leidschendam/Voorburg of Leidschenveen.
Hey dude were you in Switzerland in August by coincidence?
i was indeed! how did you guess?
videos from switzerland will come out starting in february!
@@honajtransitwe met on the Altstätten Gais rack railway - or at least we saw you filming. Funny that UA-cam suggested me your channel now
Tell me. Is there something wrong with the public transport in The Netherlands?
It's very busy with trains that have for large sections the same stations or the same stops like the GVB in Amsterdam.
For example you can travel between Alkmaar and Amsterdam with 3 different ways. Sprinter to Amsterdam, Intercity to Nijmegen, Intercity to Maastricht
why would something be wrong? the way these trains run, you have many trains on the busiest parts. If you need to go to a station that is served by all these trains, you pick the one that leaves first, or gets you at the closest time you need to be at the destination. However, if you want to go to Maastricht, or Nijmegen, you get to the station at the time that one is going to leave, so you can remain on that train the whole distance. If you took another, you would have to switch to the right train somewhere in that journey.
frankly i think that the netherlands may well have some of the best transit in the world
I wish that GO Transit here in Southern Ontario (Toronto and surrounding cities) was an interurban system instead of what we've always had.
I live along the Hoekse Lijn, the old heavy rail line between Schiedam and Hook of Holland that's been converted to light rail and is now part of the Rotterdam metro system.
Until the 1990s it was an important international route and there was a direct intercity service connecting the ferry from England at Hook of Holland to Amsterdam until 2006. The line then suffered from similar issues as the Zoetermeerstadslijn and the Hofpleinlijn.
I'm still not 100% convinced the conversion was as solid of an idea as it was on the other two examples (Hofpleinlijn was never connected to Rotterdam Central Station, for instance). Sure, the station on the beach is pretty cool for those couple of weeks in summer, but I would've much preferred to still have a direct connection to Rotterdam Central Station. The frequency at the station I live by also pretty much the same as it was when it was still heavy rail (only increased on Sundays, but that's just a choice, doesn't have anything to do with any technical improvements). I'm also just nostalgic for the odd freight train and steam locomotive passing by my house haha.
There is one very interesting aspect though, which gave them a big headache when designing the safety software and signalling: because of industry there is still a section where freight trains can share the track with the light rail trains, namely between Schiedam Centrum and Vlaardingen Vulcaanhaven yard. Because of the narrower metro trains, however, the platforms stuck out too much so designed a gauntlet track where there are intertwined tracks at Schiedam Nieuwland and Vlaardingen Oost to allow the freight trains to pass the platforms. The first time they had ever done something like that for heavy rail, you only see that type of gauntlet tracks with trams here.
thanks for all this info! the metro B seems cool to ride. granted, the B still has a two-seat ride to rotterdam centraal, and it does serve the city center directly, but yeah a 20-min frequency is awful for a metro!
That rail map looks complicated.
It looks like NYC's subway system map.
Really enjoy this channel!
RET Line E is weird? Why? You should have seen the former trains on the (almost) same track. Thát was weird. And slow. And dirty. And noisy. And very empty. And had a terrible terminus, Rotterdam Hofplein. For me there's not that much weird about line E. It does what it has to do: connecting two major city centers quickly with a lot of suburbs. The only mistake is the missing station at the airport.
to me, the way that it's weird is that its a rural *metro* line, if it was heavy rail it'd be a lot more normal imo
To pronounce Zoetermeer properly say 'ooh' and remember that sound incoporate your 'ooh' into zoohtermeer and your there!😂❤
But they are nice video's❤
Try it with *soot* Sootermeer
sweat-r-meer it just sounds like shoot-r-meer!!😁
Weird...
You know what is weird? Not having any bike lanes.
The "oe" is pronounced like the oe in _shoes_
so it's pronounced more like zootermeer then?
You could probably have asked someone how names are pronounced. Most Dutchmen are happy to instruct our phonetically challenged brothers and sisters in rest of the world, ie. everyone else, in the way god intended letters to be pronounced, as we're the only ones that seem to be getting it right. 😜
You would have learned that you could simply have pronounced "Zoet" as "Soot" instead of that complicated "z-oh-eh-t" with which you're putting the tip of your tongue in mortal danger of being bitten off. 😁
(Knowing my fellow Dutchmen they'd probably throw in some interesting new curses with which to impress your friends and neighbours, entertain impressionable young children and scare off small predators.)
Rotterdam metro is perpetually dirty, in general Rotterdam is a pretty dirty city LOL But yeah don't expect clean public transit here tbh, there's a lot of cost cutting on the cleaning and people are kinda antisocial making everything dirty.
Also, lots of seats is a thing on all Rotterdam metro lines (it's also a thing on our Sprinter trains), it's just bad design. Amsterdam got some common sense with their newer metro units having more standing space and transverse seating, but there's still far too few hand holds. Then again, the Dutch definition of a "busy" train is one where you have to sit next to a stranger...
The metro isn't really a link between the two cities, it kinda serves the same purpose as the Zoetermeer line, connecting a bunch of suburbia to the main city stations and cores. The main link between Den Haag and Rotterdam is the rail line.
That's very sad to hear about public transit in Rotterdam being dirty and in the Netherlands in general.
@@Neville60001 Since last year i haven't been in a dutch train for over 30 years. I was absolutely stunned with the mess. Looked like a landfill.
Cleanliness could be better, and has been better in the past, but I would not say it's terrible.
And I disagree that lots of seating is bad design, for the longer trips the Rotterdam Metro also makes, you need a higher level of comfort than just standing room only.
😅ik hoopdat je hebt genoten van Deh Haag en omstreken,kijk eens in Amsterdam.ook coool. greetz:🍐Peer uit Hoord Holland.🤣👍👍👍👍
I was Slinge watching this video :)
An The Hague Centraal Station the City liner The Train does not stop Above Hey was stopping on the Train station end the train now to Zoetermeer is also stopping on the Train station
yep, the tram platforms are above the train platforms, not the other way around
Zoo ter mere.
I always thought metro versus tram was a moot point. Metros don't always go underground, trams don't always go above. Let's just call them as one.
And let's keep them above. Underground is quite busy as is, and commuters like a bit of a view. Just some daylight instead of artificial lights in a concrete bunker, for your daily commute.
People don't cope well with living underground, let's not start here.
The "oe" in Dutch is pronounced as an English "oo" in "boot" and the double "ee" is pronounced as in English the first "e" in "here". That should help you say Zoetermeer without sounding like you come from Mars 😉
I can't get over the fact that he keeps saing "Zoh-etter-meer" OMG
in my defense, dutch things are hard to pronounce 😭
(at least for americans like me)