imagine flipping through the channels and seeing the whirling dervish on stage and not realizing that the next 40 years of pop music was unfolding right in front of you, fuck man, Joy Division 4ever
In 2002 I saw the video of JD and it was totally flattening!!! I had read about JD a lot but did not know how massively brilliant live band they were and how shocking were the Ian`s eyes!
I remember when this first aired On BBC 1in 1979 on Saturday 12.00 midnight My dad and mom took the piss out of this my dad said I think the lead singer has lost control alright and i burst out laughing at the time. Lol He was right
Nah. Things are still very much possible. People are just too defeated to see it anymore. Back then there was much more of a “can do” attitude, even in the face of seemingly impossible odds… and that is what’s sorely missing today. People today just roll over and submit. Either that, or it’s misdirected rage. Getting angry about all the wrong things. That kind of anger typically manifests itself in horror and violence, whereas back then people were channeling their anger into (mostly) creative outlets. That’s the big difference between then and now. Things *CAN* be better, but only if people start believing they can again and make a decision to just go for it, no matter how hopeless it seems.
Late 1979 I'd have been... 6. We were learning to swim at school for the first time around then. I was vaguely aware of Ian Dury and his Rhythm Stick but that was it. Unknown Pleasures never made the playgrounds. I would have got home, been watching kids' TV until 5.45. when, as Gang of Four will tell you, the ITN news started, having just seen Paddington The Royal Charon or possibly Ivor the Engine or Noggin The Nog - cartoons which were, in a very real way, more depressing and scarring than Joy Division at their most horrifying - and then it was dinner time. I think I vaguely remember the title sequence to this but it was for the big kids and was slightly scary. So the first time I did see this was on a battered video cassette of Joy Division stuff I bought from Camden market in 1988. Jesus.
Thanks for uploading this video. I've been searching for it quite a time. Obviously I'm here because of a Joy Division appearence. Also it was nice to hear Tony Wilson talking about music.
Very different times, it's so sad how far things have fallen into the pit of mediocrity over the last 44 years. I was 3 weeks shy of my second birthday when this was broadcast. I first saw this in 1993 and it changed my musical world forever.
Since JD never made it to LA I didn’t get a chance to see them. The Jam on the other hand made it LA often and were Great! So many incredible bands everywhere you turned. A lot of crap too. But the good ones were often Great!
I’m not from the UK, so I concede that I had to google Cyril Smith, who before today I had never even known existed. Member of Parliament, as well as being a child molester and was also the central figure in a major asbestos cover up scandal, just in case anyone else is as clueless as I was. Lovely man. 😳
Ah, so _this_ was the inspiration for The Young One’s ‘yoof’ show parody, Nozin’ Aroun’! Certainly feels like they share a few similarities, notably the inclusion of a comically deracinated Cyril Smith and social ‘ishoo’ themed segments sandwiched in between the entertainment. “Ha! The voice of youth! They’re still wearing flared twousers (sic)!”
@@spookybaba Ah, I misremembered - must be because I no longer qualify as a “young adult” and therefore not down wiv da kidz (unlike the late Cyril Smith). ;) Corrected.
@@makara80 Join the club. The Young Ones, and The Comic Strip Presents, made a huge impression on me at 10/11. After watching it so many times, I find myself blurting quotes, even today. Which, as you can imagine, makes me so unPC. I think it's terrible that we were brought up on such satire, and now 'they' try to penalise us for just being us, raised on what's now considered taboo. I hope that made sense 😊
This was, although at the time there were a few more. It was the general cool TV style of the time. They sort of BBC'd it for Nozin Aroun. FoR Young People By Young people!
The guilt of the mass media, the BBC etc for not making Transmission number one for 11 weeks in 1979 is greater than those who crucified Christ, "how wrong we were," "if only someone had told me how good they were," etc etc. it's too fucking late, poor Ian's dead. Have they learned? Have they done something positive to assuage their guilt?
I tend to agree with the comment directly above mine. Every decade has had it’s pros and it’s cons. I think perhaps the 70’s were a bit more grim in the UK than they were in many other places.
This is more intresting than everything ive seen on tv this past month
The past 40 stretch 👍 🇬🇧
imagine flipping through the channels and seeing the whirling dervish on stage and not realizing that the next 40 years of pop music was unfolding right in front of you, fuck man, Joy Division 4ever
Imagine having only 3 channels to flip through. We did in '79....
tony wilson did give us a clue " this is history"
The jam and joy division!!
Doesn't get better than this.
And ChickenTown by John Cooper Clarke !
When Cyril Smith said he was "chairman of the youth advisory committee in Rochdale for 20 years" it sent a chill down my spine.
i would even go as far as being a paedo
Whole establishments riddled with kiddie fiddlers
In 2002 I saw the video of JD and it was totally flattening!!! I had read about JD a lot but did not know how massively brilliant live band they were and how shocking were the Ian`s eyes!
I met the Jam in HMV on Market street around 79 and i also knew Helen as her Brother was with my older sister this year RIP Helen .
Got to feel for The Jam having to follow Joy Division, it’s like night and day. Pity we don’t make programmes like this anymore. Great upload, cheers.
I remember when this first aired
On BBC 1in 1979 on Saturday
12.00 midnight
My dad and mom took the piss out of this my dad said
I think the lead singer has lost control alright and i burst out laughing at the time. Lol
He was right
It was on BBC2 and in the early evening, definitely not midnight TV used to finish by midnight back then.
@@rexterrocks
Iknow but i remembered seeing it on midnight on BBC 1 before the station closed
Down
This is quite intrigueing to me because it'd the 1st I heard of this show & must investigate further.
A program such as this is sorely missed today.
Everything was possible then; now ….. nothing is!
Nah. Things are still very much possible. People are just too defeated to see it anymore. Back then there was much more of a “can do” attitude, even in the face of seemingly impossible odds… and that is what’s sorely missing today. People today just roll over and submit. Either that, or it’s misdirected rage. Getting angry about all the wrong things. That kind of anger typically manifests itself in horror and violence, whereas back then people were channeling their anger into (mostly) creative outlets. That’s the big difference between then and now. Things *CAN* be better, but only if people start believing they can again and make a decision to just go for it, no matter how hopeless it seems.
Cyril Smith talking about young people. Hmmmm.
And don't forget John Cooper Clarke!
Cooper Clarke make cast iron manhole covers, wonder if that's where his name came from?
such a generation gap incredible
Late 1979 I'd have been... 6. We were learning to swim at school for the first time around then. I was vaguely aware of Ian Dury and his Rhythm Stick but that was it. Unknown Pleasures never made the playgrounds. I would have got home, been watching kids' TV until 5.45. when, as Gang of Four will tell you, the ITN news started, having just seen Paddington The Royal Charon or possibly Ivor the Engine or Noggin The Nog - cartoons which were, in a very real way, more depressing and scarring than Joy Division at their most horrifying - and then it was dinner time. I think I vaguely remember the title sequence to this but it was for the big kids and was slightly scary. So the first time I did see this was on a battered video cassette of Joy Division stuff I bought from Camden market in 1988. Jesus.
“Unknown pleasures never made the playgrounds” 🤣🤣great line !
September 15, 1979 !!!
Thanks for uploading this video. I've been searching for it quite a time. Obviously I'm here because of a Joy Division appearence. Also it was nice to hear Tony Wilson talking about music.
I cannot believe Cyril Smith MP was in a cutting edge music show.
God this is electric viewing . And we didn't realise it at the time Cyril smith interviewBone chilling
He seems so jolly and reasonable. I'd have been fooled.
@@theoriginalsuzycat learn from that
Very different times, it's so sad how far things have fallen into the pit of mediocrity over the last 44 years. I was 3 weeks shy of my second birthday when this was broadcast. I first saw this in 1993 and it changed my musical world forever.
Fascinating
@@aotctd LOL 😆
Curtis’s dance moves though.
My dad was in the crowd.. and that was old granada studio near Salford
Rip Anthony H Wilson
Well, here is a masterpeace of television. A complete photograph just before Thatcher earthquake years
@Bad Lieutenant well, peachy as well as you were bad or lieutenant, no?
Since JD never made it to LA I didn’t get a chance to see them. The Jam on the other hand made it LA often and were Great! So many incredible bands everywhere you turned. A lot of crap too. But the good ones were often Great!
Superb Jam performance
Dr John Cooper Clark!
Clarke
Do you have any other videos of the Something Else series?
On you tube
Can't stop gazing at Stephen Morris' pointy chin.
I would have to imagine he couldn’t stop gazing at it either. 🤪
EXACTLY 1 month after I was born! I was born on 15th August 1979 in Wythenshawe (hence my username!)
Yerrr, I lived on Royalthorn Road, Benchill, it was full of smack in the early 80's, got out in 87.
You missed out on all the fun, then. 😊
Great version eton rifles
Cyril Smith was chairman of the Youth Advisory committee for 20 years! 25:33
"You can talk now, Stephen".
"I'm on the dole and I've got no future
I blame it all on Maggie Fatcher
I don't know if I'm comin' or goin'
That's why I spend all day bummin'"
I’m not from the UK, so I concede that I had to google Cyril Smith, who before today I had never even known existed. Member of Parliament, as well as being a child molester and was also the central figure in a major asbestos cover up scandal, just in case anyone else is as clueless as I was. Lovely man. 😳
I've got lower opening windows. For childrens' sake and for all other reasons if anyone has had to suffer them, they are the most mindless of ideas.
No good ever came of lower opening windows in my experience!
Ditto adamstonbridge the 70s sucked in USA too. Hell, most of us couldn't even access this.
I bet you would Cyril, very sicking with what we know these day.
31:00 am i going crazy or do agree more with the police over the George Harrison doppleganger
*_How come Cyril didn't have a 7 year old boy on his lap_*
_He must have him locked away at Savile's gaff_
wtf does this mean
Unmasked as a pedophile after he died.
“Eight year olds, dude”
-Walter Sobchak
4:59 is that Ian Curtis sat down there??
No , cant be , has a white collar under a jumper , if ypu mean guy to left
Ah, so _this_ was the inspiration for The Young One’s ‘yoof’ show parody, Nozin’ Aroun’!
Certainly feels like they share a few similarities, notably the inclusion of a comically deracinated Cyril Smith and social ‘ishoo’ themed segments sandwiched in between the entertainment.
“Ha! The voice of youth! They’re still wearing flared twousers (sic)!”
Young Adults!!!! 😂
You have to write it correctly...
Nozin' Aroun'.
@@spookybaba Ah, I misremembered - must be because I no longer qualify as a “young adult” and therefore not down wiv da kidz (unlike the late Cyril Smith). ;)
Corrected.
@@makara80 Join the club. The Young Ones, and The Comic Strip Presents, made a huge impression on me at 10/11. After watching it so many times, I find myself blurting quotes, even today. Which, as you can imagine, makes me so unPC.
I think it's terrible that we were brought up on such satire, and now 'they' try to penalise us for just being us, raised on what's now considered taboo. I hope that made sense 😊
This was, although at the time there were a few more. It was the general cool TV style of the time. They sort of BBC'd it for Nozin Aroun.
FoR Young People
By Young people!
itv broadcast on granada
Cyril Smith is agreeing with them almost, yet they still seem to hate him.
For people 16-20, 🤔😆🤣😅
2 kids at 19!!
I know....why did she have a second one when she couldn't afford the first one?
That's what I was thinking,
@@laurileblanc2001 8 quid is 8 quid
@@laurileblanc2001 a lack of understanding...maybe like you?
@@izavial yeah ok sport
The hip-young Boomers vs The Silent Generation.
They don’t wanna be like their parents.
The guilt of the mass media, the BBC etc for not making Transmission number one for 11 weeks in 1979 is greater than those who crucified Christ, "how wrong we were," "if only someone had told me how good they were," etc etc. it's too fucking late, poor Ian's dead. Have they learned? Have they done something positive to assuage their guilt?
I'm praying for both our sakes this is satire.
@@manephewlenny6401 you pray - that’s the key
is that him Dennis out of Auf wiedersehen pet, the punk! 23;19
Did Ian ever appear on video during interviews?
He has been filmed giving interview
Wonder what became of that poor young sylph at the start...
she got fat
My god apart from the music the 1970s were shit awful.
How
I disagree, there were good times and bad, life cannot be gauged though narrow media. Life is as varied then as it is now.
I tend to agree with the comment directly above mine. Every decade has had it’s pros and it’s cons. I think perhaps the 70’s were a bit more grim in the UK than they were in many other places.
jeese. The Jam were dog rough live
_Good job the lyrics were simple, I think it's all Ian could cope with, and Bernie's lead guitar was.... interesting. JCC brilliant_
31:00 why do you pick on young people - guy looks older than the police officers 😂
Because he has facial hair? That was actually quite common for late teen males back then.
22.41 lsd
Listen to the crap Radio 1 plays now😂
app 20:00 band not played on radio because it was rubbish!
Your parents gave birth to the wrong thing, bucko!
Joy division aren’t rubbish