The only problem with that black guy debating is that he is 100 steps ahead of the rest of other black South Africans, he will be misunderstood, misjudged and attacked by the people he stands for. but then again that is what happens to true leaders. It was not the Romans that wanted Yahashua to be crucified. May you be strong and have man with character around you. Aluta continua.
"I like to be a poet, I want to write about love." Excellent Mr. Mgxitama. To follow the worst preacher is to understand the best writer! You Sir are the balance of both. Thanks Sir.
I never really paid attention to Andile before. This session has opened up my eyes to the realities of this land and the arrogance of Europeans, who are hellbent on maintaining the horrible status quo. It is so sad, that Africans remain divided on the issue of land and its mineral resources. Yes, we don't need jobs, we want what is rightfully ours! Well, I choose not to comment on our confused Coloured counterparts, who lacked identity pre-94 and in democracy. They really get me worried!
Wow it's in fact the most informative presentation I have ever listened to. I am really happy in the manner he was able to conduct and express such a painful reality. #Andile
Andile was great although, as he put it, he addressed an audience consisting of many audience members who are against his BLF organization and what it stands for. He provided many good comments on the number of issues including his comment to the sister who said that she has mixed-race children. Andile told her that if she lived here in the US where I am writing from, her children if they were especially male, will be considered black and shot at in a world that is overall anti-black.
Mandela will answer to God why he did this to south Africans...now black people have to beg or fight to eat in their own country...God bless Mugabe for relieving us before he left office...
Andile Mngxitama speaks for black people, some don't know it yet but definitely speaking for all of us. What we see out of this interview is that most white people are not to share sh#t.
Exactly what I am saying. He does not care about black people, but only what he can get for himself. If he is the hero he and his friends get all the spoils. How can willingly trying to destroy an economy be in any black persons interest. They done it I Zimbabwe. And maybe 10 000 of the elite benefited, the average person saw only suffering, half of Zimbabwe would not be here if it worked out so great for them there.
@@seyramkulewosi4611 While I fully agree with your sentiment that the land that was taken by force and protected by apartheid ought to be returned to the masses your statement falls apart after that. We are all South Africans. Regardless of race. The whites did not build "their empire". They built South Africa too. Our struggles, regardless of what side of the fence you are on is our together as a nation. No race has to live under the rule of any other race. We are all human and it's pitiful that we still divide ourselves and that history has taught nothing. I am white. I do not always understand black culture, but I respect it, just like I respect many different cultures, beliefs and religions. But I don't believe the land issue will heal South Africa. People want to build their houses, but it will not feed. It will not bring about economic freedom. People need jobs, schools, health care and safety. This is the dream of South Africa. A cultural embrace where we patience and love for humanity. Andile is the exact opposite of that vision. But we must not lose hope and faith. To all South Africans reading this... spread love and light in this country. We have enough dark forces about.
Don't always think your opponent is going to be logical or reasonable. Don't project your mindset on your opponent. Pray for the best, prepare for the worst.
A black voice that spouts emotion for the benefit of Marxism. This type of ideology must always promote the words oppressor and oppressed in order to validate their ideology. This Andile is bad news for South Africa and it's economy. He is a war monger and a psychopath.
@shane pengelly hmmmm, let me guess, another doom sayer. So tell me, when do you predict the end of the world? Last prediction was 2012 and that went by without incident.
@shane pengelly No, you seriously missed my point in that there are always religious nuts trying to bring religion and politics into the same boat. I hope I have made myself clear now.
I’m Not saying his way is the answer but I truly understand exactly what he is saying which is true, and how he feels! It’s a crying shame the way blacks are still treated, not only in SA but all over the world. #stopwhitesupremacy NOW!
@@ProfessionalSolo Not really. No one points a gun to a black mans head and says go work for a white man/woman. its a "free" country. No one is forced to work for any one. Where you work is your choice and where you live depends on what work you do. At the end the choice is yours.
Many of you white South Africans your way of thinking is very sad. You turn a bling eye against the sufferings of black people and only think about yourselves in privilege. This is not good for you in the long run. All people who need land should have it.
hahahaha so Shaka 'emptied' large tracks of land not colonised, conquered or reigned but emptied, that's when Dawie Roodt begins a convenient and subtle massage of history, shaping the narrative. This debate if it is to succeed leading to an inclusive South Africa requires honesty and transparency, wishing you guys all the best.
george langa If you don’t understand what his saying then it doesn’t mean his point was stronger, what was Andile ‘s point anyway with his made up facts?
@My space and its ambiance Speak for yourself , i was never a pawn of the ANC and never will be a pawn. And the BLF is not anti-white, they are pro-black. They do not hate white people, they hate white supremacy and "whiteness". this is the same with EFF. next time these two groups are interviewed you should not be quick to throw insults, you should listen to what they are saying and what they mean. and why so many black people resonate with what they are saying.
@My space and its ambiance And quite frankly, anyone who is okay with the demographics in South Africa, has no place in South Africa. How can white people scream "Work hard and buy your own land" when they know for a fact that black are a hundred steps behind because of a racist regime they supported and put into power ,time and time again.
Yeah Mugabe cleared it alright, & also cleared millions of ordinary Zimbabweans into SA...while his kids got education outside the Zim borders & were parting like princes/rockstars. & interesting enough is that the same pattern occurs over & over again when you dip up some history of the life & lies of politians. SA will never make it alone just like Zim didn't & is suffering today still...to make it the whole continent of Africa needs to step up, unite & be on the same page. What this andile boy is proposing is stupid & only hardships will come from it
but don't you think it would be better if we started with the trading partnerships & linking of all interested African States together 1st before deconstructing & destroying the capitalist system? Coz what will help prevent SA from the major hardships that Zimbabwe faced? do we even have a backup system that we are atleast working on now? or perhaps to you it's one of those (we'll cross that bridge when we get to it) vibes?
Listen to him realize he is wrong here @1:12:59 So the deep question Andile must face is, does his totalitarianism not also potentially even more prolong the revolutionary process of economically uplifting them through an already capable economy just plagued with bad politics?
I am personally offended by that idiotic statement. He might be the greatest mind amongst all low IQ imbeciles in this country, but not all of us are part of that group, sorry! 😉
You know it is true.If you drive anyway in South Africa you will see fenced land ,all over occupied by one white farmer with his family. They is nothing wrong with that accept much of this land was stolen. Now it is time that government gives dignity to this farmers and redistribute the land. All who need this land will benefit from this. What is wrong with this idea? It is time land is shared.They is a land injustice in this country .
Since 1970 the budget for black education was raised by about 30% per year every year. More than any other government department. In the period 1955 -1984 the amount of black school students increased 31 times from 35,000 to 1,096 000. 65% of black South African children were at school compared to Egypt 64%, Nigeria 57%, Ghana52%, Tanzania50% and Ethiopia 29%. Amongst the adults of South Africa, 71% could read and write (80% between the ages 12 and 22). Compare this to Kenya 47%, Egypt 38%, Nigeria 34% and Mozambique at 26%. In South Africa, the whites built 15 new classrooms for blacks every working day, every year. At 40 children per class it meant space for an additional 600 black students every day! In 1985 there were 42,000 Blacks at 5 universities in South Africa, about the same amount at the universities of the homelands (another 40,000 at another five). In an article called “Die Afrikaner” 11 Feb 1987, the quarterly magazine called “Vox Africana Nr 29 4/87 stated that, South Africa had 4,8 million whites and 18,2 million blacks in 1987. The whites paid 77% of the taxes and the blacks only 15%...despite this...56% of the government budget was spent on blacks. During the time of Dr. Verwoerd. the living standards of Blacks were rising at 5,4% per year against that of the whites at 3,9% per year. In 1965 the economic growth of South Africa was the second highest in the world at 7,9%. The rate of inflation was a mere 2% per annum and the prime interest rate only 3% per annum. Domestic savings were so great that South Africa needed no foreign loans for normal economic expansion. Even Lord Deedes admitted, “White South Africa grew to become the economic giant of the continent, the other members of the Commonwealth virtually sank into poverty.” At the height of Apartheid in 1978 Soweto had 115 football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses. In addition to this, Soweto had 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market. There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. The Blacks of South Africa had more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time. Today Soweto has modern shopping malls like, Dobsonville Shopping Centre. In 2005 the Protea Gardens Mall opened. This was followed by the Baramall Shopping Centre and the Jabulani Shopping complex and the Maponya Mall. Experts say that Soweto has as much as 25% oversupply of retail space. The biggest hospital in the world, Baragwanath with 3200 beds and at its peak during Apartheid with almost 8000 staff, had 23 operation theatres fitted out with the most modern medical equipment that existed in the world. Blacks were treated here, operated on...at full state costs to the white-taxpayers for unlimited periods. The budget of this hospital was and is higher than the yearly budget of most small member states of the United Nations. Next door to Baragwanath is the St. John’s Eye Clinic. The clinic was world famous for the treatment of Glaucoma, Cataracts, traumatic eye injuries and rare tropical diseases. Baragwanath in 1978 employed 450 medical doctors in full-time service. It treated 112 000 in-patients and 1.62 million out-patients per year. The children and infant death rate with 34.8 per 1000 was lower than Harlem in New York. In 1982 alone, this hospital performed 898 heart operations of world quality. Ironically...90% of the blood donors for this hospital were whites, who donated blood free of charge, totally voluntarily...to save black lives. (Quoted from The Citizen, 2 April 1987). Whites have already given blacks their blood. I think Andile the idiot should have some respect.
Can you just imagine growing up with all your dreams and being told by your parents/politicians/family that you will never achieve anything because of a faceless unknown enemy with a white skin? And that you will forever be a victim?
no black child grows up like that. most black people really encounter white people at an older age. It is your people that growing being taught hate-speech, i know this because i was called a kaffir by a white student in grade 3. And i've come to find out this happens often
@@siyandanginase7348 I have been spat on, intimidated, attacked, robbed, swore at, thrown racial slurs at, called a white criminal, all by black people. Stop propagating this illusion that all whites are perpetrators and all blacks are little sweet angels because from my perspective it simply isn't true. But by your logic I must label all black people by those who wronged me. Simple fact is if you can't understand that there are bad INDIVIDUALS in this world and you can only label a whole group of people by the actions of what some individual has done to you, then you have a huge problem and need to work through the trauma of what happened to you. Because at the end of the day it keeps you captured in this trap - that trap that politicians use to play their games for their own gain.
black people cannot be racists because we do not have the power to subjugate anyone . . . Racism does not only imply exclusion of one race by another-it always presupposes that the exclusion is for the purpose of subjugation.
@@swaartgevaar727 Well, considering that there are all sorts of policies put in place by the Politicians to change the current economic power of South Africa, I would disagree with you.Politicians can make a country flourish economically speaking or crumble according to the policies they implement. Unfortunately the people arguing for land expropriation somehow believe that the change in ownership of land is a more important matter than the problems of crime,poor education, corruption, poor infrastructure etc. We have bigger problems to resolve than land ownership. I personally think this is merely a ploy to misdirect people from paying attention to the corrupt dealings of the current government. On a side note, if you are saying whites are the only people that can be racist. The current definition of racism does account in any way for power. That is a definition made by SJWs. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism Another point to consider is that the current ANC Government does have the power to subjugate and does so with various policies they have implemented making a society that favours blacks and disfavours whites.The current work environment is perfect example with BEEE and the Youth Employment Service, which does not hire whites at all. Meaning under you definition only blacks can then be racist.
The Ndebele never had land in South Africa. They were part of the Zulu nation. The Ndebeles as a tribe started in Zimbabwe. Mzilikazi was appointed king in Zimbabwe. Their land is under the Zulu kingdom.
@@Dave.Seg. First and foremost Mzilikazi was never a king of amaNdebele (during Mzilikazi era there were already 18 preceding kings), secondly Ndebeles don't originate from Zulus and they are not originally from Zim, Ndebele is part of Nguni tribe... Stop spreading distorted info, or reading books that know nothing about amaNdebele.
You cannot talk about economic growth without economic restructure first. Bcs if there's no restructure even the growth will be skewed and the rate of inequality widen.
The Bantu tribes, the forefathers of the majority of modern day black people in South Africa, are established mainly in the part of the continent south of the Sahara desert. So seeing that Andile and Malema are both descendants of colonialists…when are they leaving?
Listening to this debate and reading the views of these black nationalists on social media I am reminded of similar pronouncements of "slavery, oppression, stealing our land, controlling the economy, historical genocide against blacks, etc" that led to the little known genocide of the Arab population on the island of Zanzibar by black nationalists in 1964. ( ua-cam.com/video/NoRgEqtwAks/v-deo.html - English subtitles. )
I know a lot of black people that have everything white people have but they work for it , don't just talk about it. It's time your hands day half the work off your mouth and u will also have it.
guess what if it was not for capitalism then no industries would have been born..you need capital to create an industry..I guess these so called LEWC BFLF people never learnt anything from the first second and third industrial revolution...look at china and USA and the rest of the asian and pacific countries all their GDP is growing at a rate of almost 10% p year p capita, yewt in SA these cunts believe they're entitled to shit...no wonder graduates are struggling, where did you see a graduate goes to university and never worked in his life but expects to be recruited into labourforce and expects the big ass paycheck. That is exactly the same as BEE, you want it but you don't deserve it because you're disadvantaged it must given to you at no cost...utter bullshit in my view
@@Mrcloc he shouts because when we had land, our neighbors were far. So when we talked we shouted to ensure they us clearly. That is in all the genes of African people. Whispering was invented by land thieves. Ponder that for a moment, Mr.
What land did you have? The land the Zulus stole from the Bantu? Or the land the Xhosas stole from the British? Or was it the land the British stole from the Boers? Or is it the land the Zulus gave to the Boers? Or the land the Boers protected for the Zulus? Or is it the land of the Khoisan? You're clearly very very old and wise, and have survived centuries of people fighting other people, so I'm very interested to hear which land you grew up on, and who took it from you. Do you like that BMW, and that iPhone? Do you like that Tag Heuer watch? How about that nice fresh food and clean drinking water? I'm sure you love it when your shit goes down a flushing toilet too. And you're willing to give all of those nice things up so that you can wake up in the morning and look at dusty, dry, baron land?
Lol land belongs to all African people. I know about your divide and conquer strategy, unfortunately it's time has passed. We are 💯 % human beings no neanderthal dna. If you want to occupy land, go to cacus mountain 🗻.
He was just emphasizing the kind of desperation black/people of have have for change and the ultimate sacrifice they can make to see that happen in their lifetime. Well I rather give my last R50 to Andile than give it to church and hope for miracles.
if I can afford my own airport terminal I do not see why not..should I have the money I do not see why not..SAA is ruined so I do not see why I cannot have my own airport terminal
A good education is far more important than just possessing land. The quality of education for the average Black South Africans is sometimes even lower than quite a few other African nations.
the statement made by the 1st speaker is false, the nguni believe in bantu values, they communicated nd agreed to dwell together, The Nguni only migrated to the south
We don't even have to say anything, these black land guys will disappear, soos 'n poep in die wind😂 was actually educational, I'll rather just leave it at that. 🤣
Ten homelands, Transkei, Bophuthatswana, Ciskei, Venda, Gazankulu, KaNgwane, KwaNdebele, KwaZulu, Lebowa, and QwaQwa were created for people to own their own land. It could have been a fantastic success story. . .
@@erickmsawenkosi1245 How come is it that I would have *loved* to have *my* own homeland? Would you not have loved to live amongst your own people, be prosperous and doing the things that you love, without other people like me (a white and racist supremacist :) telling you what to do?
The funny part is the way the world trough technology is getting smaller and people travel more and more being at one place having a property will become less and less of a appeal,because having a property on your name will bind you to one place,just look at trends our grandparents had one job in one town all there live,today middle class person have 2 to 3 sources of income in diffrent industry's and diffrent areas,our children will have 7+ means of income which will require to travel all over the world the last thing you wlll want is a property on your name binding you to one city!!!,so property will become useless in 100years time!
Andile thinks because he doesn't have an answer for the economic turmoil he doens't need one. Wrong, what he must be honest about his that he is asking people to start and potentially live off of UN support for decades.
The Rothschild, Ruperts and Oppenheimers know how best to manipulate the economy. If you deny that ask all the agencies that are on a PR campaign to always put the country in a junk status whenever their interests are threatened. This illusion of economy is just that, an illusion. Land has a tremendous value, that is why you don't want to let it go.
Go to the slums for a month, or week or day or an hour for that matter, It's already like we living of on UN support. So this scare tactic argument of yours is ignorant, and very flawed.
I grew up poor and my family has tons of ethinicities in it all of which went through their own historical hells; but non of them saw justice in totalitarianism. I totally understand the capitalist commentary, I get the historical claim. But the fact is, your historical claim is not the only one, and ignoring the philosophical and ethical responses of fellow africans is just plain fascism and totalitarian. It is a straight forward politicization of the African identity.
@@sibongilerwayi2326 Omg u stupid. Not all people live in slums at the moment-- but they all will!!! If u are one of those that have nothing, u will still end up with nothing. If u are one of those who have, the joke is on u, u will also end up with nothing. Ask the Zimbabwean teacher who works for me and used to have a job over there, if he thinks your idea is a great one
@@vuyanikheswa3930 I don't like them either, but how many people did they uplift? How many became middle class or in the case of our state president who became a billionaire. Think man think use that stuff between your ears don't sit on it
Could someone please give Andile the stolen car that he purchased and the stolen plot of land that he purchased back. Lucky he is not trying to make it in the tribal areas because there ONLY the king owns land and decides who can do what there. He must be bored saying that same speech over and over and over. If he was clever he would just record it and take the recording with to interviews or just send the recording.
Criteria for DNA guidelines for Khoi-San vs non-Khoi-San classification will be determined soon. If you are below the Khoi-San genome lower limit criteria that will be established, then you are non-Khoi-San. To Those Nguni’s and EFF members Claiming The Land in South Africa is Yours… When your Nguni ancestors migrated south from central and west Africa, did they ask permission to take the land from the Khoi-San? Your genomes clearly take your origins to the land closer to the equator - Is BLF a Khoisan party?? Because if not they must go claim land beyond the equator where their ancestors came from..."
The only problem with that black guy debating is that he is 100 steps ahead of the rest of other black South Africans, he will be misunderstood, misjudged and attacked by the people he stands for. but then again that is what happens to true leaders. It was not the Romans that wanted Yahashua to be crucified. May you be strong and have man with character around you. Aluta continua.
His name is Andile Mngxitama.
"I like to be a poet, I want to write about love." Excellent Mr. Mgxitama. To follow the worst preacher is to understand the best writer! You Sir are the balance of both. Thanks Sir.
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Andile Mgxithama is very intelligent that's why he was shaded........because hes ideas are real.........to the core......
I never really paid attention to Andile before. This session has opened up my eyes to the realities of this land and the arrogance of Europeans, who are hellbent on maintaining the horrible status quo.
It is so sad, that Africans remain divided on the issue of land and its mineral resources. Yes, we don't need jobs, we want what is rightfully ours!
Well, I choose not to comment on our confused Coloured counterparts, who lacked identity pre-94 and in democracy. They really get me worried!
Andile is smart...👌
Andile is just too good, the man is too clear.
Respect this man man Andile 👏
Andile, Thank you for this. Keep fighting and nevwr give up.
There should be no debate. The land was stolen
Andile is a Revolutionary Genius
Wow it's in fact the most informative presentation I have ever listened to. I am really happy in the manner he was able to conduct and express such a painful reality. #Andile
I'm a proud member of BLF
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Biko Lives through Andile.
Bill gates is one of the largest land owners in the world while we are told we shouldn't see it as priority. ningabathembi!
Andile was great although, as he put it, he addressed an audience consisting of many audience members who are against his BLF organization and what it stands for. He provided many good comments on the number of issues including his comment to the sister who said that she has mixed-race children. Andile told her that if she lived here in the US where I am writing from, her children if they were especially male, will be considered black and shot at in a world that is overall anti-black.
Andile is an intellectual gaint...
Mandela will answer to God why he did this to south Africans...now black people have to beg or fight to eat in their own country...God bless Mugabe for relieving us before he left office...
Andile Mngxitama speaks for black people, some don't know it yet but definitely speaking for all of us. What we see out of this interview is that most white people are not to share sh#t.
ANDILE is very smart.
Why are We Talking about Racism on a Black CONTINENT?
Andile is speaking the hard truth. I never took hin to gead, but now after this, I take him serious
Andile uyababa, you've got my vote next year..... I've been waisting my vote by voting eff
BLF and EFF all the way
lol so the Khoi -san dont identify as African?? That's the dumbest argument iv ever heard
They don't identify as Bantus.
Mpho Mofokeng 🤣😂😂😂
@@riaan2540 khoi-sans are not Bantus ....not all blacks are bantus
Same like not all whites are English,we have French, Portuguese,Spanish,polish, etc
He never once attempted to dispute the power of the ruling class.
This Andile boy irritates me, talking of war here as if he will be there in the frontline...
Exactly what I am saying. He does not care about black people, but only what he can get for himself. If he is the hero he and his friends get all the spoils. How can willingly trying to destroy an economy be in any black persons interest. They done it I Zimbabwe. And maybe 10 000 of the elite benefited, the average person saw only suffering, half of Zimbabwe would not be here if it worked out so great for them there.
@@seyramkulewosi4611 While I fully agree with your sentiment that the land that was taken by force and protected by apartheid ought to be returned to the masses your statement falls apart after that. We are all South Africans. Regardless of race. The whites did not build "their empire". They built South Africa too. Our struggles, regardless of what side of the fence you are on is our together as a nation. No race has to live under the rule of any other race. We are all human and it's pitiful that we still divide ourselves and that history has taught nothing. I am white. I do not always understand black culture, but I respect it, just like I respect many different cultures, beliefs and religions. But I don't believe the land issue will heal South Africa. People want to build their houses, but it will not feed. It will not bring about economic freedom. People need jobs, schools, health care and safety. This is the dream of South Africa. A cultural embrace where we patience and love for humanity. Andile is the exact opposite of that vision. But we must not lose hope and faith. To all South Africans reading this... spread love and light in this country. We have enough dark forces about.
Shutup coward.
The time for the resolution of the land issue is now 2024 Election year. Vote MK
U don't want the land , you want what is on the land so you can sell it. And then? You gonna eat the ground.
Don't always think your opponent is going to be logical or reasonable. Don't project your mindset on your opponent. Pray for the best, prepare for the worst.
Great debate 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
They must be sharing of land in South Africa - no war but co-existence and mutual respect.
wishful thinking
For me i must say that Dawie Roodt is as clinical as an SS guard. Hides behind figures and shows zero empathy. No sign of an active frontal lobe there
i bow down to Andile Mngxitama...........he's a heavy weight.....he is most importantly a BLACK-VOICE.
A black voice that spouts emotion for the benefit of Marxism. This type of ideology must always promote the words oppressor and oppressed in order to validate their ideology. This Andile is bad news for South Africa and it's economy. He is a war monger and a psychopath.
there is no medicine for stupidity and lack of intelligence
@shane pengelly hmmmm, let me guess, another doom sayer. So tell me, when do you predict the end of the world? Last prediction was 2012 and that went by without incident.
@@dawiemeyer1630 I couldn't agree more Dawie and to add to your statement, last I checked, stupidity isn't a disability either.
@shane pengelly No, you seriously missed my point in that there are always religious nuts trying to bring religion and politics into the same boat. I hope I have made myself clear now.
I’m Not saying his way is the answer but I truly understand exactly what he is saying which is true, and how he feels! It’s a crying shame the way blacks are still treated, not only in SA but all over the world. #stopwhitesupremacy NOW!
lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are high
So Shontell...if you agree then you agree black people should only own land in africa? Everywhere else they are just colonizers right?
Thanks mxhosa
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Mampara of the year goes to Andile Mngxitama!!!
Don`t waste capital letters on his name, that is a sign of respect in the written word
you must be mad
@@ProfessionalSolo Not really. No one points a gun to a black mans head and says go work for a white man/woman. its a "free" country. No one is forced to work for any one. Where you work is your choice and where you live depends on what work you do. At the end the choice is yours.
What a fool
Many of you white South Africans your way of thinking is very sad. You turn a bling eye against the sufferings of black people and only think about yourselves in privilege. This is not good for you in the long run.
All people who need land should have it.
Dawie Roodt face about free education 02:44:02 ! hahaha priceless...white fools
One thing about Andile he is consistent 👌
Black intelectual, two words that are mutually exclusive.
Derek - human, two words that are mutually exclusive.
hahahaha so Shaka 'emptied' large tracks of land not colonised, conquered or reigned but emptied, that's when Dawie Roodt begins a convenient and subtle massage of history, shaping the narrative. This debate if it is to succeed leading to an inclusive South Africa requires honesty and transparency, wishing you guys all the best.
There was no debate here, to debate you have to have a point of view, dawie had no point of view.
How can you debate a child, makes no sense.
so we can debate a white supremacy stuff
@@sanelefakude3560 What?? Are you asking a question or making a statement?
george langa If you don’t understand what his saying then it doesn’t mean his point was stronger, what was Andile ‘s point anyway with his made up facts?
Don't agree with Andile but was incredibly articulate in this interaction
This dawie person was just so aloof to the reality of blacks and arrogant about his perception of what "majority of blacks" want in SA
I have no words for Andile... a normal human mind can not understand his thinking.
Neh, a white - supremacist mind cant understand his thinking.
@My space and its ambiance Speak for yourself , i was never a pawn of the ANC and never will be a pawn. And the BLF is not anti-white, they are pro-black. They do not hate white people, they hate white supremacy and "whiteness". this is the same with EFF. next time these two groups are interviewed you should not be quick to throw insults, you should listen to what they are saying and what they mean. and why so many black people resonate with what they are saying.
@My space and its ambiance And quite frankly, anyone who is okay with the demographics in South Africa, has no place in South Africa. How can white people scream "Work hard and buy your own land" when they know for a fact that black are a hundred steps behind because of a racist regime they supported and put into power ,time and time again.
c smith,you can understand him n you thought to urself u r normal??????
If you don't understand Davies last statement, do a search on vloggers here in this platform. There is thousands of people being employed by youtube.
Good grief. You could have edited the video at least. I don't want to listen to people laugh and eat
you could see tha Andile doesn't mean what he is saying, he just want attention
Exactly, he's taking chances this one
Yeah Mugabe cleared it alright, & also cleared millions of ordinary Zimbabweans into SA...while his kids got education outside the Zim borders & were parting like princes/rockstars.
& interesting enough is that the same pattern occurs over & over again when you dip up some history of the life & lies of politians.
SA will never make it alone just like Zim didn't & is suffering today still...to make it the whole continent of Africa needs to step up, unite & be on the same page.
What this andile boy is proposing is stupid & only hardships will come from it
but don't you think it would be better if we started with the trading partnerships & linking of all interested African States together 1st before deconstructing & destroying the capitalist system?
Coz what will help prevent SA from the major hardships that Zimbabwe faced? do we even have a backup system that we are atleast working on now? or perhaps to you it's one of those (we'll cross that bridge when we get to it) vibes?
@@sxavarito well said brother, the thing is most African States are puppets of western forces. But what you are saying makes sense
@@seyramkulewosi4611 Andile is not fighting for black people, he is a power monger that why he left EFF
BLF👊🏽
The united voice for peace and solutions that dont divide is going to be the loudest voice oneday!
Andile is a beast. My leader
Listen to him realize he is wrong here @1:12:59 So the deep question Andile must face is, does his totalitarianism not also potentially even more prolong the revolutionary process of economically uplifting them through an already capable economy just plagued with bad politics?
Andile Mngxitama is the best mind in South Africa. BLF must be in parliament next year
I am personally offended by that idiotic statement.
He might be the greatest mind amongst all low IQ imbeciles in this country, but not all of us are part of that group, sorry! 😉
@@elwinbooysen8901 intelligence is not something you were gifted with.
@@ncedisampemnyama1150 well I really can't take your opinion seriously seeing that you think Aunty-dile has a great mind. 😅
@@elwinbooysen8901 Stop calling things/statements you dont understand idiotic!
@@leeuvegter5810 Learn how to speak proper English and then edit your comment.
where is this andlie guy getting his stats from I can't find anything about the 35000 whites own 80% and b.t.w 80% of WHAT LAND in South Africa
You know it is true.If you drive anyway in South Africa you will see fenced land ,all over occupied by one white farmer with his family. They is nothing wrong with that accept much of this land was stolen.
Now it is time that government gives dignity to this farmers and redistribute the land. All who need this land will benefit from this. What is wrong with this idea?
It is time land is shared.They is a land injustice in this country .
What stats are u coming up with, do they paint a different picture to that which andile has painted?
Biko lives!
Viva BLF Viva!
Viva sovereignty of the Africana!
Viva decentralization of natural resources!
Viva democratization of natural wealth!
Since 1970 the budget for black education was raised by about 30% per year every year. More than any other government department.
In the period 1955 -1984 the amount of black school students increased 31 times from 35,000 to 1,096 000.
65% of black South African children were at school compared to Egypt 64%, Nigeria 57%, Ghana52%, Tanzania50% and Ethiopia 29%.
Amongst the adults of South Africa, 71% could read and write (80% between the ages 12 and 22). Compare this to Kenya 47%, Egypt 38%, Nigeria 34% and Mozambique at 26%.
In South Africa, the whites built 15 new classrooms for blacks every working day, every year. At 40 children per class it meant space for an additional 600 black students every day!
In 1985 there were 42,000 Blacks at 5 universities in South Africa, about the same amount at the universities of the homelands (another 40,000 at another five).
In an article called “Die Afrikaner” 11 Feb 1987, the quarterly magazine called “Vox Africana Nr 29 4/87 stated that,
South Africa had 4,8 million whites and 18,2 million blacks in 1987. The whites paid 77% of the taxes and the blacks only 15%...despite this...56% of the government budget was spent on blacks.
During the time of Dr. Verwoerd. the living standards of Blacks were rising at 5,4% per year against that of the whites at 3,9% per year. In 1965 the economic growth of South Africa was the second highest in the world at 7,9%. The rate of inflation was a mere 2% per annum and the prime interest rate only 3% per annum. Domestic savings were so great that South Africa needed no foreign loans for normal economic expansion.
Even Lord Deedes admitted, “White South Africa grew to become the economic giant of the continent, the other members of the Commonwealth virtually sank into poverty.”
At the height of Apartheid in 1978 Soweto had 115 football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses.
In addition to this, Soweto had 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market.
There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. The Blacks of South Africa had more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time.
Today Soweto has modern shopping malls like, Dobsonville Shopping Centre. In 2005 the Protea Gardens Mall opened. This was followed by the Baramall Shopping Centre and the Jabulani Shopping complex and the Maponya Mall. Experts say that Soweto has as much as 25% oversupply of retail space.
The biggest hospital in the world, Baragwanath with 3200 beds and at its peak during Apartheid with almost 8000 staff, had 23 operation theatres fitted out with the most modern medical equipment that existed in the world. Blacks were treated here, operated on...at full state costs to the white-taxpayers for unlimited periods. The budget of this hospital was and is higher than the yearly budget of most small member states of the United Nations.
Next door to Baragwanath is the St. John’s Eye Clinic. The clinic was world famous for the treatment of Glaucoma, Cataracts, traumatic eye injuries and rare tropical diseases.
Baragwanath in 1978 employed 450 medical doctors in full-time service. It treated 112 000 in-patients and 1.62 million out-patients per year. The children and infant death rate with 34.8 per 1000 was lower than Harlem in New York.
In 1982 alone, this hospital performed 898 heart operations of world quality.
Ironically...90% of the blood donors for this hospital were whites, who donated blood free of charge, totally voluntarily...to save black lives. (Quoted from The Citizen, 2 April 1987).
Whites have already given blacks their blood. I think Andile the idiot should have some respect.
Still don’t come close to billions stole from the last 100 yrs… you seem to be the idiot that’s in need of a library of books😬😔🤦🏾♂️
Can you just imagine growing up with all your dreams and being told by your parents/politicians/family that you will never achieve anything because of a faceless unknown enemy with a white skin? And that you will forever be a victim?
no black child grows up like that. most black people really encounter white people at an older age. It is your people that growing being taught hate-speech, i know this because i was called a kaffir by a white student in grade 3. And i've come to find out this happens often
@@siyandanginase7348 I have been spat on, intimidated, attacked, robbed, swore at, thrown racial slurs at, called a white criminal, all by black people. Stop propagating this illusion that all whites are perpetrators and all blacks are little sweet angels because from my perspective it simply isn't true. But by your logic I must label all black people by those who wronged me. Simple fact is if you can't understand that there are bad INDIVIDUALS in this world and you can only label a whole group of people by the actions of what some individual has done to you, then you have a huge problem and need to work through the trauma of what happened to you. Because at the end of the day it keeps you captured in this trap - that trap that politicians use to play their games for their own gain.
@Patrick Kazan Hence my original comment. You actually just proved my point.
Really don't understand the fragility of yt saffers when it comes to confronting such a crime against humanity
What kind of rubbish is Roodt talking about? He's not even flinching spewing colonial racism
black people cannot be racists because we do not have the power to subjugate anyone . . . Racism does not only imply exclusion of one race by another-it always presupposes that the exclusion is for the purpose of subjugation.
You have the political power, so that means whites can't be racist. Only blacks are racist in Arsania.
The national Arsania anthem: "We are the victims my friend"
@@Seracom888 The anthem is Land or Death!
@@riaan2540 Political "power" without economic power is not power. Land is power. We're taking it.
@@swaartgevaar727 Well, considering that there are all sorts of policies put in place by the Politicians to change the current economic power of South Africa, I would disagree with you.Politicians can make a country flourish economically speaking or crumble according to the policies they implement.
Unfortunately the people arguing for land expropriation somehow believe that the change in ownership of land is a more important matter than the problems of crime,poor education, corruption, poor infrastructure etc. We have bigger problems to resolve than land ownership. I personally think this is merely a ploy to misdirect people from paying attention to the corrupt dealings of the current government.
On a side note, if you are saying whites are the only people that can be racist. The current definition of racism does account in any way for power. That is a definition made by SJWs.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
Another point to consider is that the current ANC Government does have the power to subjugate and does so with various policies they have implemented making a society that favours blacks and disfavours whites.The current work environment is perfect example with BEEE and the Youth Employment Service, which does not hire whites at all. Meaning under you definition only blacks can then be racist.
Ndebele from Zimbabwe must come to South Africa and claim their land as well, 😁
The Ndebele never had land in South Africa. They were part of the Zulu nation. The Ndebeles as a tribe started in Zimbabwe. Mzilikazi was appointed king in Zimbabwe. Their land is under the Zulu kingdom.
@@Dave.Seg. First and foremost Mzilikazi was never a king of amaNdebele (during Mzilikazi era there were already 18 preceding kings), secondly Ndebeles don't originate from Zulus and they are not originally from Zim, Ndebele is part of Nguni tribe... Stop spreading distorted info, or reading books that know nothing about amaNdebele.
@@vusiskosana8427 OK, where is the land of the Ndebeles then? It means I don't know my own history then, teach me.
@@Dave.Seg.You just exposed yourself that you know nothing about namaNdebele. The homeland is called KwaNdebele in Mpumalanga.
You cannot talk about economic growth without economic restructure first. Bcs if there's no restructure even the growth will be skewed and the rate of inequality widen.
The Bantu tribes, the forefathers of the majority of modern day black people in South Africa, are established mainly in the part of the continent south of the Sahara desert. So seeing that Andile and Malema are both descendants of colonialists…when are they leaving?
Andile is an example of what happens if you experiment with nuclear power and shit.
Change is coming
Nisi ipi I agree! Whites are going to be living in European paradise, while you are going to be starving! 😂😂
@@zarianvlok6413 well that's good for you
Andile is a big joke ,fool of the century
Listening to this debate and reading the views of these black nationalists on social media I am reminded of similar pronouncements of "slavery, oppression, stealing our land, controlling the economy, historical genocide against blacks, etc" that led to the little known genocide of the Arab population on the island of Zanzibar by black nationalists in 1964. ( ua-cam.com/video/NoRgEqtwAks/v-deo.html - English subtitles. )
How about this? How about you work for things you want?
should have told that to your ancestors
Mrcloc they stole our land. Stealing is nit working. We want it back .
I know a lot of black people that have everything white people have but they work for it , don't just talk about it. It's time your hands day half the work off your mouth and u will also have it.
guess what if it was not for capitalism then no industries would have been born..you need capital to create an industry..I guess these so called LEWC BFLF people never learnt anything from the first second and third industrial revolution...look at china and USA and the rest of the asian and pacific countries all their GDP is growing at a rate of almost 10% p year p capita, yewt in SA these cunts believe they're entitled to shit...no wonder graduates are struggling, where did you see a graduate goes to university and never worked in his life but expects to be recruited into labourforce and expects the big ass paycheck. That is exactly the same as BEE, you want it but you don't deserve it because you're disadvantaged it must given to you at no cost...utter bullshit in my view
As you worked very hard killing our ancestors.
My President Andile Mngxitama is clear. I am impressed fully.
What exactly did he say that is clear? Was it the part where he called for civil war?
YES. HE SHOUTS AND IS THEREFORE RIGHT.
@@Mrcloc he shouts because when we had land, our neighbors were far. So when we talked we shouted to ensure they us clearly. That is in all the genes of African people. Whispering was invented by land thieves. Ponder that for a moment, Mr.
What land did you have? The land the Zulus stole from the Bantu? Or the land the Xhosas stole from the British? Or was it the land the British stole from the Boers? Or is it the land the Zulus gave to the Boers? Or the land the Boers protected for the Zulus? Or is it the land of the Khoisan? You're clearly very very old and wise, and have survived centuries of people fighting other people, so I'm very interested to hear which land you grew up on, and who took it from you.
Do you like that BMW, and that iPhone? Do you like that Tag Heuer watch? How about that nice fresh food and clean drinking water? I'm sure you love it when your shit goes down a flushing toilet too. And you're willing to give all of those nice things up so that you can wake up in the morning and look at dusty, dry, baron land?
Lol land belongs to all African people. I know about your divide and conquer strategy, unfortunately it's time has passed. We are 💯 % human beings no neanderthal dna. If you want to occupy land, go to cacus mountain 🗻.
BLF Please don’t shout. All of your premises are based on emotion very little fact.
Dawie Roodt take ur economy...Finally someone said It!!
Why in the world is Dawie Roodt an analyst in our mainstream media?
Is there a need or want in SA
My brother is not serious, this is a serious matter that needs all sensitivity and seriousness but however.
Booru boy u don't compare South Africa end Zimbabwe we know how to live
1:42:08 "I saw a person giving us R50 even when they only had R70"
What? So he took their money anyway? Knowing that they only had R50... nice...
He was just emphasizing the kind of desperation black/people of have have for change and the ultimate sacrifice they can make to see that happen in their lifetime. Well I rather give my last R50 to Andile than give it to church and hope for miracles.
He always says black people have nothing, that is not accurate.
are you really trying to tell me you can't edit out the 40 minutes of nothing before they debate. Really poor work
if I can afford my own airport terminal I do not see why not..should I have the money I do not see why not..SAA is ruined so I do not see why I cannot have my own airport terminal
With his own airport they could simply fly out the country with diamonds . thats smuggling.
Black southern african they don't care about the wine
Does this man know what the word colonise means? Really
A good education is far more important than just possessing land. The quality of education for the average Black South Africans is sometimes even lower than quite a few other African nations.
I think we can only get land by getting educated
the statement made by the 1st speaker is false, the nguni believe in bantu values, they communicated nd agreed to dwell together, The Nguni only migrated to the south
We don't even have to say anything, these black land guys will disappear, soos 'n poep in die wind😂 was actually educational, I'll rather just leave it at that. 🤣
Why is Dawie even debating this clown? He should rather debate Julius.
Julius is a clown like you
He mentions, asian countries we do not have calibre of the asian leaders in South Africa
viva Ace
Ten homelands, Transkei, Bophuthatswana, Ciskei, Venda, Gazankulu, KaNgwane, KwaNdebele, KwaZulu, Lebowa, and QwaQwa were created for people to own their own land. It could have been a fantastic success story. . .
How come it is that a visitor can come and tell me where must I stay. Your argument is nonsense
@@erickmsawenkosi1245 How come is it that I would have *loved* to have *my* own homeland? Would you not have loved to live amongst your own people, be prosperous and doing the things that you love, without other people like me (a white and racist supremacist :) telling you what to do?
Divide and conquer project by the colonial settlers.
Johan is one of them
The thing is ur ppl aren't from here
sunglasses on inside?
this Dawie Roodt must never says he speaks for Black people
The funny part is the way the world trough technology is getting smaller and people travel more and more being at one place having a property will become less and less of a appeal,because having a property on your name will bind you to one place,just look at trends our grandparents had one job in one town all there live,today middle class person have 2 to 3 sources of income in diffrent industry's and diffrent areas,our children will have 7+ means of income which will require to travel all over the world the last thing you wlll want is a property on your name binding you to one city!!!,so property will become useless in 100years time!
Fine, so why the whites cling to the stolen property if is gonna be useless?
Let me rather not comment 😡
Andile thinks because he doesn't have an answer for the economic turmoil he doens't need one. Wrong, what he must be honest about his that he is asking people to start and potentially live off of UN support for decades.
The Rothschild, Ruperts and Oppenheimers know how best to manipulate the economy. If you deny that ask all the agencies that are on a PR campaign to always put the country in a junk status whenever their interests are threatened. This illusion of economy is just that, an illusion. Land has a tremendous value, that is why you don't want to let it go.
Go to the slums for a month, or week or day or an hour for that matter, It's already like we living of on UN support. So this scare tactic argument of yours is ignorant, and very flawed.
I grew up poor and my family has tons of ethinicities in it all of which went through their own historical hells; but non of them saw justice in totalitarianism. I totally understand the capitalist commentary, I get the historical claim. But the fact is, your historical claim is not the only one, and ignoring the philosophical and ethical responses of fellow africans is just plain fascism and totalitarian. It is a straight forward politicization of the African identity.
@@sibongilerwayi2326 Omg u stupid. Not all people live in slums at the moment-- but they all will!!! If u are one of those that have nothing, u will still end up with nothing. If u are one of those who have, the joke is on u, u will also end up with nothing. Ask the Zimbabwean teacher who works for me and used to have a job over there, if he thinks your idea is a great one
@@vuyanikheswa3930 I don't like them either, but how many people did they uplift? How many became middle class or in the case of our state president who became a billionaire. Think man think use that stuff between your ears don't sit on it
Could someone please give Andile the stolen car that he purchased and the stolen plot of land that he purchased back.
Lucky he is not trying to make it in the tribal areas because there ONLY the king owns land and decides who can do what there.
He must be bored saying that same speech over and over and over.
If he was clever he would just record it and take the recording with to interviews or just send the recording.
Andile is a joke! hahahahaha
Bring on your "war" fool
streching out on the chair as if it is on the beach....inferior upbringing, no discipline, savage.....
Andile for Pres
@@Tgn457`d rather hire such a stupid person to work with a spade
@@Tgn457, he ist just a fool ;)
+Tondy Nhete Andile for dumb poes!
What a strange little man this andy is, to many zols in his mothers back room caused his issues
Criteria for DNA guidelines for Khoi-San vs non-Khoi-San classification will be determined soon. If you are below the Khoi-San genome lower limit criteria that will be established, then you are non-Khoi-San. To Those Nguni’s and EFF members Claiming The Land in South Africa is Yours… When your Nguni ancestors migrated south from central and west Africa, did they ask permission to take the land from the Khoi-San? Your genomes clearly take your origins to the land closer to the equator - Is BLF a Khoisan party?? Because if not they must go claim land beyond the equator where their ancestors came from..."
Proof of how stupid Dawie Roodt is : ua-cam.com/video/JPbExwBJiwY/v-deo.html