PEUGEOT E-208 WINTER RANGE TEST!
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- A lot of people complain about poor winter performance of the Peugeot e-208 and other Stellantis EVs that use the same drivetrain - how will it perform on my 230 mile monster commute on a cold December Tuesday?
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I have a 2020 e-208 currently at 55,000 miles. I do 150 miles a day mainly on the motorway. Winter highway range is not great and at the worst I am having to stop and put in about 8kW in to do the round trip. All other times it does the trip OK without charging. I get 175 miles range most of the year. Aside from the winter range this is seriously good ev for the money and I love it. I regurly pester my local dealer for a long range 208/308/508. I would be first in the queue.
I've had my e-208 GT for 2.5 years and 20k miles. Absolutely love it. Motorway range is poor but in every other way its great. Got mine through salary sacrifice so only pay £300 a month inc all tyres, servicing and insurance. Went from a Fiesta ST to this and have never looked back. Cracking little car.
Dunno if I could give up a ST for that car I mean I want one
What is an average for motorways? My commute is 99% motorways. And I want to get an peugeot e-208
standard tests are for comparing vehicles to each other only. How much a vehicle consumes - regardless ICE or electric, depends on your right foot. And yes, the range penalty for electric in winter time. Stems only from the comparably small amount of energy a battery contains. My MG ZS EV Max Lux loses roughly 100km of range in winter time. But then, also my daily driving route has changed a bit to more Autobahn instead of mountainside windy roads because of the dark and the dangers attached to that. I had a lot of Peugeots from 2005 to 2018, petrol and diesel. And yes, the 50kWh battery and the - imho - average drive train does not feel I'd like to have a Stellantis EV. Especially with that hefty price tag (a full blown Mokka e goes for above 42 TEUR). Small steering wheel with the instrument cluster above - only one fail, the marketing term "i Cockpit" (at least here in Germany). Other than that, I really liked it on my 2008 hdi - which, btw., was 29 TEUR back then in 2014 in contrast to my 31 TEUR MG ZS EV Max Lux (granted, 6000 EUR cash by govt. funding included). The MG - despite of some nasty details both with the car and MG - is much more of a car than the 2008 ever was. Thanks for sharing your view on the e-208 (which I do like when it comes to design, together with its 2008 sibling). Btw, hefty number of miles for you getting to the office. I find the 50km single 2 times a week for "mandatory" office days quite annoying. Driving has become less fun over the years. EV help me to relax a bit. 🤗
Range should be presented to customers as it is in ev database.
Peugeot 208
Real Range Estimation
between 200 - 430 km
City - Cold Weather * 280 km
Highway - Cold Weather * 200 km
Combined - Cold Weather * 240 km
City - Mild Weather * 430 km
Highway - Mild Weather * 260 km
Combined - Mild Weather * 330 km
Peugeot have the ranges visible on their site
I have been driving for 52years. I have just bought my e208 one month ago. I can honestly tell you that in 51 years of owning numerous ice cars I could never have told you what mpg they did. When they dropped to 25% in the tank I just filled up. I have been the same with the Peugeot. The difference is I charge overnight at a grand cost of £10 a month for my journeys. It is clean, quiet and a dream to drive. If the trade off is that I have to stop, have a coffee and fill up a bit more it is a trade off I welcome. PS Thanks for your always honest reviews and down to earth advice.
Thanks for making this video. I bought my Corsa E just before lockdown in 2020, so only took delivery in late June. I am retired so I have only driven just over 11k miles in that time. I love the fact that my Corsa looks just like any other, there are just two small badges. I agree with what you have said about the range basically but I would add a few comments of my own. When mine went in for it’s first service after 2 years the dealers installed three updates. These made a significant difference to economy, regeneration and the drivers display. Miles per kWh went from a normal average of 3.5 to 4.1 miles to 3.9 to 4.6 miles/ kWh. Regeneration is now stronger and starts after just 1 mile from a full battery and the drivers display now stays on whilst charging at a DC charger. Previously I had to keep opening the door to wake the display up. All significant improvements.
These cars are not as economical during very cold weather. I am currently (in freezing UK) struggling to get better that 3 miles per kW and if I drive enthusiastically I know from last winter that this figure will fall to less than 2. I have found that driving in the mid 60’s is much much better than driving at 70 to 75 as a lot do. Incidentally I always drive in normal mode, I never use eco, sport mode is engaged rarely. Climate control is set to 20 deg.C and I make use of the heated steering wheel and bum warmer when it is bitter outside.
In a very hot summer I have achieved better that 5 miles/ kWh.
I wish the battery was bigger. I would like to be able to drive 200 miles on one charge. I live in Chorley Lancashire which is about 200 miles from London, Bristol and Glasgow.
I am very happy with my car apart from that. The matrix headlights I have are something else.
Wltp EV range is no better than wltp mpg figures for petrol and diesel cars! As you say it's impossible to have a test that will give values that are applicable to all the different environments journeys and drivers.
Good realistic test there, my MG ZS getting 3.1-3.4 in winter depending on conditions. Renault Zoe used to have NEDC test AND real world estimates on their website, as the NEDC was even more ridiculous.
Always use figures that third party people collect
1) Bjørn Nyland tests every car in great detail, this should your first port of call for real world numbers.
2) Honest John does a lot petrol/diesel real world number collated from people, and will do the EV numbers soon.
I think they're not generally much worse in winter than other EVs, except maybe the older ones, they started putting heat pumps in them to heat the battery in late 2021 i think.
But a lot of people expect to get WLTP range when going full speed on the highway, and nobody expect that from petrol or diesel cars.
I think the biggest issue is that these cars have hit a demographic that's not really ev enthusiasts. So they see "x miles range" and expect to get that on the highway in winter.
I have the e-expert, so same drivetrain as this but a big van. And if i stick to 100km/h in summer i do get wltp range on average. I've lost 20-30% range now the snow is here. But that's expected.
But even with my big van, if i slipstream a lorry in summer i hit 18 kmw/100km.
Sounds pretty decent. One of my cars is a Mini Countryman Phev. Usually range isn’t a problem as it’s mostly a run about within about a 10 mile radius. In the summer it’ll get about 30 miles on the tiny 10 or so kWh battery. Today we did a longish trip and I popped into Tesco to shop and get a bit of battery back- it got an alleged 3.9kwh from the podpoint which lasted precisely 6.5 miles at 30 mph @ 0 degrees - a tiny 1.7 miles per kWh . Which I think is Hummer EV territory.
You should be aware that in 2022 Stallantis upgraded the heat pump and gear ratio and the cars before April 2022 which has improved winter battery usage. A lot of the complaints come from the earlier cars that were not as good in the cold. 3.5 miles /kWh is OK for an EV in the cold, and people should accept that is reasonable and certainly much better that the appalling numbers from e-tron/EQC and many other large early SUV .
With regard to quoted WLTP numbers - manufactures can ONLY quote the standard done with a carefully controlled test and a carefully controlled temperature. It is there ONLY to allow comparison of cars and provide the OFFICIAL emission standard (for Petrol/Diesel). The test in all cars (Petrol/Diesel included) are way off the real world range just because few people drive efficiently. Should the WLTP tests be updated - maybe, but then people will complain that all cars now go less miles and don't have such good efficiency. The problem is exacerbated in EV cars for 2 reasons, the primary one is the charging infrastructure (certainly in the UK) is utter shite (Tesla excepted), EV's currently have a range that is a little short of what people think they want. A 3 hour drive of 150-180 miles and beyond that you should have a pee and coffee to remain safe. The e-208 cannot manage that in winter for real world range, but does appear to do that on the WLTP range - so hence all the complaints as it straddles that magic journey range - you buy it thinking it will do 180 miles easily between stops, but it won't in winter.
Thanks for an informative and entertaining video.
The idea of a "real world" range is a bit nonsensical. If you do the same 500mile test run it'll never be exactly the same.
Rain, temperature, humidity, tires, traffic even your mood will change how you drive.
WLTP is a world wide standard and also apply to ICE cars so we can easily compare.
This standard can never replicate our commute or driving style and that is not it's purpose.
Renault publishes for zoe 235-238 miles for wltp but also publishes winter 160, summer 180 for real world . Remember wltp test on rolling road at higher temperature with one person and no luggage or extra weight . Maybe more people need to actually study before they buy
Winter driving must be more of a concern for shorter range cars. Taking a larger percentage of the range available. This cold spell has seen a significant difference in our Kona, though we haven't been sparing with the heater. Playing with the settings I could see the climate pulling 4.8kw when I cranked it up to 30c, just for science. Going to try a sparing test tomorrow.
The problem with any test standard will always be that it can't exactly replicate everything for everyone. As such, it can only ever be a guide, just like mpg. I find it hilarious that the same people who would complain about EV economy, likely never uttered a peep about their good old diesel not managing anything like the 60 mpg the manufacturer claimed...
Meanwhile, in Aus, a court case was brought by someone claiming they were lied to because the test economy didn't match with the real world economy. And even though their laws state that only the test economy can be shown, the court decided that the manufacturer shouldn't be claiming figures that aren't reflecting the real world...
The issue about WLTP range is that manufacturers want to (and do) game the system - ICE car MPG figures are gamed in the same way, but the differences are larger for EVs. They do it because they can get away with it, and because everybody else does it. New EV owners (I was in 2017) naively expect range to be unaffected by weather, because the massive amount of waste heat means thats how it is for ICE cars.
I had a good early introduction to the range-in-the-cold problem with EVs, when I test drove a Renault Zoe in 2016 - it had been standing outside on the charger, and the brochure claimed 150 mile range (I had a 140 mile each-way commute at the time, so I thought that would be fine!). Got in the car for the test drive on a freezing cold morning, to find a 90 mile range on the screen. I don't know why it was so low, but even the salesman was reluctant to try and sell me on this as an appropriate car for my needs!
EV manufacturers could provide range estimates that vary with the outside temperature, but they don 't. They could spend money on fitting heat pumps rather than resistive heaters to reduce this affect, but generally they don't.
This will change over time - I own an e-Corsa - it had better range than the 2017 Leaf that preceded it. My next car will have a heat pump and a 300+ mile range (probably a Tesla Model 3).
Peugeot list price now means nothing. The dealership near me was wanting to give me a £10k discount! But i went second hand, and super happy.
Average speed over 40 in the Southern half of England is always good going!
Good and Honest review mate. The small steering wheel theme continues in my mother in laws Peugeot Rifter mobility car and my Citroen C4 Cactus, I quite like it but know what you mean about the arcade steering wheel feel.
Peugeot have removed heated seats from the range - even highest spec and did not tell us even though we have the option list. Be warned, you cannot get electric seats any more and we are really pissed with this hidden change since it is useful for an EV.
I have an e208, I think it’s about as exciting as an EV can get. You can really hoon it, if you’re not having fun you’re not pushing it enough. That being said the price (new) has increased so much, you just can’t logically justify the price over the petrol version any more.
Fiat 500 e claimed 199 lucky if we are getting 140 miles
Volvo c40 claimed 270 actual 180 miles the heating and lights kill the battery’s
Lights have a negligible effect but you’re right about heating.
They are not 'claims' by the manufacturer, just results of a prescribed rolling road test cycle at 20C . No aerodynamic , temperature, driving style or weather inputs. The US EPA range is more indicative of a medium speed drive on a good day, and usually 10-15% lower than WLTP test.
Much the same here as my Fiat 500e was getting well over 4 miles per KWh from mid March to late November but has recently dropped by a full 25%, even though the car is kept in an integral garage and I drive with a very light foot and the heater barely on.
I have the smaller screen on my early 2020 production e-208 Active, and preconditioning is under the Options menu in A/C... Maybe depends on SW version on the head unit? I keep my up to date by installing the new releases myself 🙂
I had one of these for 12 months, then changed it to a Corsa E. Both average 4.1 miles per kw in the summer and 3.2 in the winter. They are nippy go-carts, good fun.
It certainly seemed quite chuckable, can’t fault that at all. Does the Corsa have a more normal sized steering wheel? 😆
@@ModernHeroes Yes, not as interesting inside though !
Peugeot group own Vauxhall. They share the basis of models across the brands. Peugeot seem to, as would be correct, maintain the premium product of the 2.
I think the EV range is only a short-term problem. The short term being about 5-7 years. As battery tech improves along with charging infrastructure it will disappear completely as an issue. In my Enyaq (supplied sept 22) I was getting 360-370 miles range in the warm summer temps at the time. In the sub-zero temps we're currently seeing it's dropped to 290-310 for longer journeys. The WLPT states 330 miles, so I feel that's fairly representative and much more than I was expecting. I know of some Enyaq drivers getting a lot less than that, but I don't drive fast and we don't live in a hilly area. I think with the connected nature of EV's these days, you probably could quote an average consumption, but I think that should be accompanied by the max and min as well because some drivers chose to drive uneconomically and others don't. There are just so many variables, it's difficult to quote a single meaningful value. Drivers with a heavy right foot would get equally poor range from an ICE car but they don't care because they can 'recharge' in 5 minutes regardless. EV's are a great leveler in this respect. If you want to drive uneconomically, you now pay with time and inconvenience. You can no longer 'buy' your way out of trouble.
the range in my i3 has dropped massively in recent days. With heating and everything off.
EV’s are not the way forward they are more or less useless in winter and autumn and unrealistic range in summer
I always drive on Eco and in brake mode regardless of the weather. There has been a serious drop in the last few days. Usually if I can get to the half way point on the gauge having done 80 miles, I reckon that is ok. Once the temperature gets back up to about 10C then things return to normal.
Don’t use the B mode, instead D mode “coasting”, saves energy
Just get a bike, m9.
😂
It sounds like they tested it with all the electrics off. Heater off everything off and then they advertise it as an achievable mileage. That puts me off electric cars with such low real range if your running the basic essentials i.e. stereo and heater.😢
It’s a prescribed test, all cars are tested the same way. Using the stereo has absolutely no effect on range. The heater obviously does but nobody’s driving around cold in modern EVs unless they’re mental - precondition the cabin before leaving and then be sensible with the temperature dial and it’s nowhere near as drastic as some people make out.
@ModernHeroes I'm sure it is. London to Blackpool forget It! It will cost you an arm and a leg with public chargers. I'm out!! that's for sure!!
17 minutes and 48 seconds talk about the range. Crazy.
You’re more than welcome to fuck off and watch something else 👍🏻
I just paid 34950 for the GT 2023 only had it a month, I don’t know if it’s my size but I can see the screen in front ok, when you was doing your drive was you in normal or eco, I’m forever topping it up with electric , not looking forward to the winter, maybe I should do a review
In one way, I like them having the EV just like a fuel option. However I believe it often causes compromises, when you install an electric drivetrain in a vehicle that's originally designed for fossil drive train.
Making an
EV from the ground up, allows to take advantage of some things that can be difficult when an EV is designed "as an afterthought basically a fossil to EV conversion.
They can have both fossil and electric drivetrain in mind while designing the car, but whenever they have to do a compromise, you night get a better EV if with an all EV platform. Like VW abandoned the eGolf, to make the ID.3. I think the eGolf is a great EV, but there are some shortcomings from being designe as both fossil and electric.
Counterpoint to that is the id buzz.
On the outside it's a medium van, and the consumption is a medium van. But on the inside it's a small van, because putting all the drivetrain stuff over the back axle raised the floor significantly.
It's as big as a transporter outside, but has the same cargo capacity as a caddy.
Peugeot on the other hand made the partner electric without sacrificing any space at all, or making the van a size bigger.
Granted, the buzz did get a bit more range. But it's also close to double the price.
@@matthiashejlskov5008 very true.
An EV designed from ground up, doesn't necessarily make it a good EV desig.(just like anything can suffer from bad design)
However my point still remains. Considering how different electrical and comustion drivetrains are. I think it is way better to design EV models separatly from combustion models.
Large engine vs. compact electric motor.
Tank for liquid fuel vs. weight distribution of battery cells
Multi speed transmission vs. direct/reduction gear.
Single engine and brakes for anti spin vs. possible multi motor configuration
I think a 3rd party similar to NCAP should be responsible for range estimates. So long as it's within manufacturers' best interest to keep fudging the range numbers, they will stay incompetent when it comes to testing and reporting them. Every rule you could make they could find a way to break them. An international, independent body like NCAP would avoid this.
The WLTP ranges should be:
Summer (15-30°C/European Summers)
Summer (20-45°C/South Africa, Australia, Harsh Summers)
Winters
Without Heat Pump
5-18 °C (No Snow Fall)
Harsh Winters
Extreme Winters -20°C-0°C and worst
With Heat Pump
This would tell me that is in South Africa. Okay, I live in an area that where tempature drops to 5°C in Winters mostly at night and have Winters that are wet and up to 18°C in the day, with a range. But if I go 50+km to the East, -5°C would have what to the vehicle. And Summer of 18-40°C would get me how far, and if I go 50+km East or North 45°C with irregular but capable of 50°C regions are going to give me. Also remember, the speed limits are 60km/h in town, with National Roads mostly indicating 120km/h.
With CCS chargers being on average 200km apart on National Roads, and if you are lucky about 150km average ranges apart. With no mans zone for a remarkable section, with not even type 2 chargers, so no long distance travelling with long pauses.
That would work.
My e-C4 says I get about 5.2 miles per kWh in the summer, I could probably get 206 miles out of it if I didn’t have any air conditioning on and drove very carefully in eco mode and B on, however I’ll never get that as I’d never run it flat obviously. I think diesel & petrol has got so expensive I enjoy not having to pay for it. I charge at home with only a 2.4kw lead as hopefully we’ll be moving soon but the granny charger seems to do just fine for what I need at the moment, the fast chargers from grid serve are my favourite when going long distances, the others are way over priced. The planning with the granny chargers a bit more annoying if we have a busy weekend. Maybe a c5 Aircross hybrid might be a good choice too?
Need at least a city and highway range like fuel cars.
Love watching
When did an ICE ever achieve its WLTP? I have driven 140 miles from a full charge in my Mini electric, and often manage over 120 miles in winter. Maybe some EV’s can achieve what they promised just as some ICE cars can ?
EVs should be tested for winter and summer range. WLTP also doesn’t seem to be all that good for petrol and diesel cars either, I’ve found automatic cars seem to get consistently worse than WLTP and manual cars do better. Although this has to do with the test procedure being more lenient on automatics (they can shift themselves, while manuals are all shifted at the same predetermined speed regardless of model).
Looking more attractive these days at £21.5k for the Corsa and £23.5k for the Pug.
Certainly look like the stand out new EV bargains
lease a 2008 e, did a round commute of 96 miles - mixed driving this was on saturday night/sunday morning (cold -5) just about got back on the drive with 9 miles range left - barely had the heating on, only briefly used the defrost functions. not impressed.
Our Renault Zoe does about 85 miles in the Summer. That's 95% urban driving, stop and go stuff. No motorway or highway. Right now in early December in a cold 'snap' where it been -4C day and night we are getting 50 miles. As our journeys are under 15 miles its not really an issue. I had a 308 on hire and I hated the climate controls on the touch screen, total deal breaker.
"I like EVs that look like normal cars" - drives an Ami... 😂
For the benefit of others who care about such things 😆
If I recall, the only manufacturer to ever provide "realistic figures" was... Peugeot. They did it just pre-WLTP. Also, don't these now have a WLTP range of 225 miles?
I just refer to ev-database real world range. I trust Bjorn Nyland’s tests too. I don’t trust any manufacturer’s estimates, with the exception of maybe Kia and Hyundai.
I have a new Mokka ev ultimate and I must say yes I had to wait 13 months to get mine but I am impressed with the range I had everything on the heated seats for me and my wife it was minus 3 outside there was and centremeter of frost and ice on my car to start off so I did pre warm it for thirty minutes to clear the windows I then see on a journey of just over a hundred miles to my friend's house this was the first long journey I have done in it as I've only had it a month and it only has 500 miles on the clock so anyway I did the journey with the heater on auto set to 24 centigrade I had on the radiie heated seats the wipers as it was sleeting in places the lights where on I had on my seat massager which I must say is very good as it was minus 3 all night it charged up to 204 miles fully charged because of the cold so I travelled 117 miles and I had 52 miles of range left with the re gen off as it was all motorway and dual carageways so my friend has 2 evs so I charged up at his house as we were stopping overnight and a day and on the way back home I had left 46 miles of range from 207 showing
so being as it was again minus 3 all night and had everything on including cruise control which I never used going down and had never used this new type of cruise control I was impressed you could go close mid or far from the car or truck in front it slowed down and sped up to keep its distance so maybe that was why I used a bit more but all in all, I was impressed and I travelled at motorway speeds 70 mph most of the way down and back and had it in the normal range
so distance will improve in the summer as I will have less turned on like the heater and heated seats and steering wheel and rear window defroster so remember if you have a new ev or buying one the more you have turned on the less range you will do it doesn't bother me as we don't travel long distances but if we had to it would only take one stop to charge if it's over 160 miles and that's in the winter so in summer I would think another 25 to thirty miles you could add on so 185 to 190 if your watching your power consumption and have regen on I had regen off both ways I wish I had put it on so next time I go down to my mates I will put it on and yes I am pleased with the car it's comfortable it does turn heads as its a bit bright in colour as you can see my avatar lime green but it was my wife choice she always chooses the colours of my cars the last car we had was a 2019 seat Leon fr estate 1.6 turbo petrol 150 hp where my mokka is only 140 hp but is way quicker of the mark than my old petrol because hp is measured from the flywheel on ice cars but wheels on evs as we have no flywheel or gearbox just drive shafts and wheels so we don't lose and horse where a ice can lose up to 20 hps but the leon would beat me on top end but hey you would be risking your licence and I am not about to start now its been clean for 42 years of driving and I intend to keep it that way .
A fair review, hit exactly all the same spots when I test dove it. Hated the piano keys but could have lived with it. Absolutely loved the exterior styling and the cabin was a fairly nice place to be. I said pretty much the same about the drive, It didn't WOW me, or exite me.
It was replacing a 3 door Corsa though, and with us having a toddler, the deal breaker was fitting a buggy in the boot and manipulating both a car seat in and out the back (often removed for adults, tip runs etc) as well as a child. Handy taking the family on the test drive.
Ended up with a Leaf, was more price competitive when I got it, and the winner was the space. It shifts well for it size. It's flexible enough for 99% of our motoring. Yes, its not that fast at rapid charging but I only go long distances a few times a year. I'll now need to use it work work travelling a bit, but if its too far my work wont pay mileage allowance, they prefer to hire a car.
A really interesting video. Thanks. In particular, I thought your comment about managing expectations of people buying an EV was absolutely spot on. Really enjoyed the review side of things as well. Thanks again!
I’ve had one for 2 months and love it - hate going back to an ICE car now they just seem such hard work to drive! My e208GT is really nippy and really is like driving a go-kart - instant power and very chuck-able. A doddle to drive in town so relaxing with the regen on.
Range wise I’m averaging 3.5 miles/KWH so with a 50KWh battery that’s 175 miles - I have heard that it’s only 45 KWh usuble so maybe a bit less. I’m expecting this to drop in really cold weather down to 120-130. Not worried as I can charge from home and rarely do more than 50 miles a day. Have done one big trip of 240 miles with a public charging stop and this was no problem.
The only time I was worried was a 120 mile round trip where the first leg used an estimated 113 miles to go an actual 60 miles - mostly motorway miles. On the way back only used an estimate 45 miles due mostly to going 60-65 on the motorway. It does seem if you go over 65 range drops dramatically.
Overall I love the car but you do have to think about trips carefully.
My stallantis is advertised as 205 mile range get 186 in summer and 165 at sub zero temperature. Just been on a 400mile round trip no problems with range.
The wltp test is normally done in warmer weather.
Not many are actually tested in cold weather.
So the wltp should not really be trusted.
And we had a really good sales team when we got our peugeot thay actually told us in cold weather we could lose about 20% of the battery range.
The sales person that we had told us he loses about 40 miles when he is driving in really cold weather.
Being from Australia, would love to see a real world range test in stinkin hot weather one day, something over 30 deg.
It was over 30c here in the uk this summer and I still got 4.8 mpkwh on my Zoe ze50. It's the cold that really effects them. At the moment it's going down to -6 and I am getting 3.1mpkwh
@@alanhold2468 Ah great, always wondered. A lot of these tests on temperature and tend to be cold weather tests.
Here in Aus, this isn't much of an issue.
Thanks for the heads up 👍
@phillippereira6468 if you live around Brisbane I'd say that's probably the ideal climate for EV, I'm from Australia too and own two EV in europe and I think as long as you didn't live somewhere like down south or inland where you get mid to high 40s in summer it would be perfect
That's quite a decent range my LEAF requires charging at 40 miles now that it's very cold
I will never buy a car where you have you go to a menu to adjust the temperature, just crazy.
My Fiat 500e has dropped by 25% from its summer peak and is barely getting 3.25 miles per KWh in similar temperatures and road conditions to your journey, despite a very light foot and the heater barely turned on.
That is no bad, I presume figure from the vehicle. However, double-check the charging efficiency that in cold might drop as well.
You cant tell people about the actual range they are likely to get, what would the marketing dept do ?
in the Netherlands, Peugeot has a tool on the site that shows you the range based on driving style, speed and temperature
Did you use eco mode or normal with heater on your trip?
Normal. Didn’t make any adjustments to anything with economy in mind.
@@ModernHeroes Thats not bad then, i have a Mokka e in the summer i was getting avg 4.1 now its down to 3.2 but i always estimate 150 mile range when planning a trip. I also agree with you about range from the companies the app collects all the trip data so they could give a decent avg
Charging at the office is such a great perk. 🎉
I get the point! But as can be seen from around you, a lot of people drive at fast speeds - and they're used to just bounding along on the motorway at 32mpg. Maybe it's these people that get a new EV, maybe as a company car, as my company only offers EV's now and drive them at 80mph on the motorway, then get a bit peeved when the range nothing like they're used to!?
The problem is also the costs have gone up considerably. I used to be able to get (on 20% tax salary sacrifice) an ID3 for £230/month or a 40kwh Leaf for £170/month, but now I can't get anything at all! I held out making my decision, then they went up in cost, so I'm still in my privately owned Golf diesel!
I did spot not so long ago a high mileage e-208, for less than £20k, but this is still out of my buying capability - hence the hope my company car eligibility will improve.
Even the cheapest Lease (Citroën e-C4) I can find for an EV is now £330/month - which is too much for me.
The big problem for most EV's of course, is high speeds - I don't know why they can't have a kind of overdrive gear in there for 80mph driving, so maybe those that complain about range are expecting to be able to drive their cars like their old/older ICE cars and get a shock 100 miles down the road?
Of course, the charging network stinks. There's hardly any 100kw chargers within 50 miles of me, the Stellantis cars have a 100kw DC charger on board so that lack of high speed range would be fine, if there were plenty of 100kw+ rapids around the network, which there aren't!
EVs only have AC on-board chargers.
Manufacturers are adjusting gearing to be more efficient at higher speeds, where efficiency matters most, but that can only improve range for a few percent. Having another gear would not help much If at all
If the app is the same as the one with the Vauxhall Corsa e, you're not missing much it's pretty rubbish 😠
I have one - the app really is basic just trip metrics, set charging times or pre-conditioning times. I have to stand within 10 feet of the car for it to work as well. Car is great but the app not so much.
any news about the ami problem already? i am curious
Be nice to try again after 50k miles .
I'm used to the small steering wheels. The manual steering cars with huge wheels didn't fit me. If it brushes your legs or thighs it's too big!
You must be enormous.
The problem is with those cars, the steering wheel doesn't rake up very high at all, so you feel as if you're driving with it on your knees anyway.
Also for taller drivers, the top of it can block the instrument binnacle!
Nice looking car.
No such problems with petrol
Increased fuel consumption in cold conditions very much is a thing with ICE vehicles, as are WLTP consumption figures that aren't reflective of the real world.
I don't think asking EV owners to give their own real-world mileage figures to help manufacturers present more accurate battery efficiency data is a good idea.
Judging by the fury exhibited by the online chattering classes (who may not even own the cars they claim to), many EV owners are fiercely proud of their purchases. A lot of them are (apparently) men, and I don't know many of those who will admit to having wasted a fortune and made a bad choice of vehicle.
It's about the same number that will admit to being anything other than an excellent driver.
So matters ranging from brand-loyalty, patriotism and bigotry, to poor-shaming, Top Gear and Jeremy Clarkson will make ALL battery performance reports - both good and bad - highly suspect.
I know that over-the-air tech (probably?) allows some manufacturers to snoop and harvest usage data and performance statistics directly from their vehicles, but I also know that it's not hard to 'massage' such figures. It's also likely that some militant EV fanatics will deliberately adjust their car's usage, storage, and charging regimes to return the most favourable stats to prove the depth and worth of their devotion.
Yes, of course I'm a cynic. But you'll have a heck of a hard time proving my suspicions wrong.
I've deliberately not mentioned any car brands or names here to avoid stirring up a hornets' nest, and that in itself should be all the reason you need to see why owner-user mileage stats are not to be trusted.
It really is horses for courses with EV’s. I only have one as it’s a company car and cheaper for me to lease one than do it privately. That’s only due to the current tax regime which will inevitably change to the detriment of EV’s. The e208 is a lovely car to drive/own but the video tells the truth, winter range is not great. I do much prefer the EV version to the petrol but no way would I shell out £35K for this. If they were similarly priced I’d choose the EV without a doubt.