What does it mean to look feminine?I really am a woman! [Hello Counselor/ENG,THA/2018.11.19]
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Hello Counselor EP.388
- Park Junhyeong, Kim Jihye, Hanhae, TWICE's Mina & Jihyo
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I'm LOVING the husband in this concern. He loves his wife and never let anyone try to make him leave her. From dating to marriage he stayed by her side. I want a man like that.
I was so glad that he was so lovely, I was honestly beginning to despair about some of the husbands that are featured on this show!
🤩 she looks so beautiful after styling up!!!
🤩 you go gal!!!
I totally agree, but let us be honest chances are we probably never gonna get a guy like that
agreeeeee
I don’t think she wants to change she really just wants people to accept her as she is sadly she wasn’t confident enough to tell the show this and instead took advice on changing her style..
Why? She needs to change her style for her children. Society is as it os、 you can't just ignore it. Also I think they styled her really well. She said she does makeup to look more feminine and they helped her with that- there is no issue here!
@@blue_pullover She doesn't have to change for anybody. It's not hurting anyone. If she's happy with her style why change it? It still doesn't help her to accept herself so there still is an issue at the end of the day
They always do this its so frustratinggg
I think its okay if she's agree to do little makeover which is only for this show. In fact, she can stay on her own style in real life.
I don't think that's entirely true. I *think* that she probably wants to have options. She's happy and comfortable in her boyish style, but there must be days when she'd like to look and feel more feminine. After all, looking at her hobbies and skills, outside of her looks she's actually quite lady like.
I don't think it's a big deal to accept advice or help in styling. After all if she really doesn't like it, she can just change back after she leaves. But if she does then she's probably happy to know that there actually are more feminine styles that are suitable for her. And that she doesn't need to pile on makeup to look more womanly.
I really liked the way she was styled because it wasn't overly girly or anything. It was still in keeping with her comfort zone just a little upgraded is all.
I saw around twitter that the show cut off the part where Mina says it's a concern because people shouldn't be too harsh around appearances and stuff and I think that's shitty because it IS a concern and shouldn't have been cut off.
It's a matter of how you define it as a concern. The problem is a concern for the woman obviously, but you can also take it in a different way. To be honest I was also quite surprised by Mina's answer..
This is not a problem with her, it's a problem with society
JM ...i hope you realize that the world won’t change for one person. if she’s tired of being mistaken, she should grow her hair out or something. otherwise she’ll just have to live with it.
Mina said something similar like ‘she shouldn’t change but people around her should change their views’ or something
@@holy.water.
Exactly. It's not a problem that people see each other as man or woman. That's just a biological fact of nature. She dressed like a guy so it can't bother her that much. This world today is so selfish thinking that *everyone* has to be accepting of every single decision an individual makes. It doesn't work that way. It's just a sign of how absolutely narcissistic people have become.
@@holy.water. You guys are funny. Society can change when it comes to social norms and boxes. Females used to not be able to have jobs or go to school because they needed to stay home and have kids. Certain races were put into slavery and certain colors of skin were said to be ugly due to societal norms. However, those norms changed slowly, but it started due to "one person" because no one is that unique that others don't share a similar problem. This woman isn't the only woman in Korea like this. In fact, the "world" doesn't share the same idea about this ladies concern, a lot of people wouldn't bother her.
@@lamma746 Exactly!
Mina made a comment about something along the lines that the people around her should be the ones to change their attitude and not her. The show cut her part unfortunately. What Mina said is so right, the woman shouldn't change to please people. They should accept her for who she is! And what is even feminine? *Sigh*
I have gained more respect for mina. What a queen
what bothers me tho is that on a different hello counselor episode there was a guy who had long hair and his mother didnt talk to her son bc of hislong hair and they were just like: ''well why dont u just cut ur hair?!'' like why does he need to change but she doesnt? i dont think she needs to change but i also think the man shouldnt change
How do you know? Where did you hear about that?
Why'd they cut that out omg
Anyway this show love cut importants part or sensitive thing like talking about sucide...
I really love her husband's attitude! Despite all the negativity and pressure to change, he loves her the way she is and how she styles herself!!
I love her and I love her Husband. Their children will learn and hopefully be a part of changing people perception of what's "Beautiful:"
I don't think her children find her necessarily 'ugly', but if they get teased at school for it, it's understandable that they dislike it..
@@NaomiIsSoAwesome98 the youngest daughter is still a huge asshole for not only just stating it in the poem , but starting the very first sentence with , "even though she isn't pretty ..."
Wow... Just wow. I knew better when I was younger than that. No exuses.
The woman was delightful and I'm glad she has such a great husband and sister to support her, but her daughters annoyed me. She is obviously a great mom, yet they were hell bent on her looking more "womanly". She looked like a woman to me, and she has a sweet womanly voice. I'm not gonna be too harsh on them because they're really young, but I hope they grow to appreciate their mother, and her beauty more. She looked amazing at the end though!!! My jaw dropped, that stylist was amazing, and brought the term "enhancing beauty" to life. I'm glad no one recommended plastic surgery or anything like that. That stylist was able to enhance her beauty without changing anything about her physical appearance/style, I love it!! Hope she leads a happy life💜💜💜
You have to consider that korean kids spend more time at school than at home. They are more influenced by the peers who ekuld tease them relentlessly if they saw their mom . They can't help it and no one can really judge them unless you have experienced the comllex situation they are in. They will grow to understand that it doesnt really matter but they are just kids so dont bash them too much please . Their mom understands why they act that way.
They’re young. U can’t blame them for being worried about others opinions
@@yn-ty1ve its always easy to tell someone to accept their family but i think not all of us is able to unless the person commenting has been in a similar situation themselves
They are kids, i'm sure they'll understand once they get older :) I also liked her look before she had a make over, she looks so much older.
well her kids are not that young to no be able to understand that looks isnt everything. i wish she would have been more strict like"im your mom, u cant treat me like this".even 10 years old can understand it, korean is too bent on beauty standarts that its sick
I think Amber should be there, like both of them are tomboy and have similar problems, so maybe Amber could like give her a better solution than the MCs. Plus, she looks like a woman to me, she kinda resembles a Singaporean actress (I forgot her name).
IKR?!!
The entire video totally reminded me of Amber! I knew I was not the only one.
She nowadays does not give a fuck though... and also owning the joke of 'finding her chest' XD
Amber is bae
Is the Singaporean actress Hong Huifang?
Elaine T Yes, it's Hong Huifang, lol.
Both of them can pass as siblings than the woman's actual sister xD
Yes! I was totally thinking about amber, especially when she mentioned about the bathroom issue, which was the same issue that Amber faced as well. Also, Amber also made a video about finding her chest and straying true to who you are.
Tiffany :D that video was so funny for me
She really got herself a winner. Her husband is really nice.
This IS a concern and it makes me mad some people think it isn’t. When there are genuine concerns on the show oftentimes people don’t see them as problems
She looked really great with the styling but she looked nice before too.
"I feel bad that I'm embarrassing my daughters." She shouldn't feel bad. This is her body. There's nothing wrong with her body. She seems like a kind and beautiful person. If anything humans need to level up when it comes to society's gender paradigms.
Anyone would feel bad. She can't change the way she looks and she doesn't want her daughters to get bullied because of how she looks
Those kids annoyed the heck out of me, I can't stand to see anyone be so unsympathetic to their mother like that. She looks so beautiful!
It was honestly breaking my heart hearing them say the things they did about their own mother. I couldn’t even imagine saying anything like that about my own mum, but they are young and clearly growing up in a very judgemental society. I just hope they grow up to realise what a horrible way of living that it, and fully appreciate everything their mum has done for them and the hurt she must have felt thinking that she was embarrassing them.
ikrrr
Well remember that they are young and at an age where they are very conscious about what their peers think in addition to living in a very looks-oriented society. By Korean standards, their mom looks straight up like a man. If you constantly get teased at school because of how your mom looks yet she refuses to change even a little bit without giving much of an explanation, wouldn't you get frustrated? Like you're my mom, you know your looks are making me suffer but you selfishly won't even consider a change to your hairstyle?
You have to understand the situation from both perspectives, it's just too close minded not to. They're being honest, at least they're not lying or being fake yeah it can be really harsh hearing that but they can't just bottle it all up
@Terra Faye Wow what a well thought out rebuttal. Seriously you should write speeches.
Seeing all these comments about her husband accepting her regardless of her flaws/imperfections. Hmmm. She’s nowhere near imperfect. This isn’t about her. This is about the society who won’t accept people who are different-people who don’t fit their standards. There’s literally nothing wrong with her.
And no offense to that Twice member who said this isn’t a concern because one of their members has short hair. That short haired girl is feminine looking and I doubt that ppl treated her like people treated the woman with this concern. That’s just.... a terrible analogy and felt like a huge dismissal.
besides that, jeongyeon is a bit boyish and i recently noticed that she became more feminine. although i am not a twice fan, every members have their own beauty.
It's impossible to even think a second that Jeongyeon is a man. Even without make up. I don't understand how she could say that. You cant compare Twice with that woman. :c
Syuhadah Anuar well, people call the Twice member Jeongyeon Oppa and plus I don’t know how but a few people I know said she was a pretty boy....
Ummmh Yeahhh that people, who say oppa to her are joking. Never in a bath, she'll be in the obligation to show her body to other for staying in the bath.
And the pretty boy part must be because, in the idol industry there are a lot of men thar have a face of a "pretty boy" so when you're not a bit familiar with Twice and only see the fotos of her with an ambiguous effect, well, yes, some people will say "pretty boy" :v
actually she got misgendered a lot in the past female fans called her oppa and male fans were calling her hyung and she was highkey upset about it
she looks pretty feminine to us but to koreans she looks like a handsome male idol
South Korea is no joke when it comes to fashion and make up stuff.But still lookism needs to like mitigate..No one is perfect.
I think the reason why her jaw, hands, foot and shoulders increased in size after puberty is because she had Acromegaly, a disease where the pituitary gland releases excess Growth Hormone. She said she did a surgery for it. Its because of her condition that she had to go through all of this..i really feel bad for her. But shes a good soul. I wish they concentrated more on the awareness of this condition
basically her brain wasnt working properly. not her fault. However, why they didnt put her on hormones is beyond me. Mostly its men who have endocrine problems and they put them on testosterone to help them .
Setiously. I saw a documentary about a condition similar to this, where a woman who had been already gone through puberty and was considered pretty by society's standards (she even worked as a model) started growing again. Her appearance totally changed, and she was often mistaken as a man. It took doctors years to eventually realize she had a giant tumor on her pituitary gland, which had been causing her hormones to go crazy. Honestly it makes me sad that they did not discuss this more, because people should already not judge others, but they especially should not judge someone for dealing with medical problems. I imagine that it was a hard surgery this woman had to go through in order to fix her problem, since the pituitary gland is in or near the brain (I haven't taken anatomy, so Idk where exactly). I have to respect her for being able to ignore strangers' opinions in a society that is very critical of each other's looks.
finally a comment addressing this issue! once you get that tumor and not excise it fast the person will keep on growing
Nice comment Y Buddy. That would have been nice to educate people.
Yeah the tallest man in the world has that too and they have some of the same facial features. I don’t get why people have to judge looks all the time, like, even if she didn’t have a disease, why does it bother other people what SHE looks like? I never get that.. Her looks have nothing to do with you. Some people with conditions that make their face appear different also get a lot of comments on it and then suddenly when those judgy people know it’s caused by a condition they’re all sorry but even if they don’t have a condition that makes them look different, what difference does it make? It’s still her face and body and you don’t have to look if you don’t want to. (I was talking to the mean judgy people btw)
1. The husband is AMAZING.
2. Even though the daughters said some impolite things in the past, they still love their mom
3. That transformation was amazing. She looked good before and after, but the transformation was still really good.
It's sad that her children want to hide her from their mates :/ just imagine how can she feels.. society sucks!
She's in korea
Not society, just her kids. She looks masculine, it's not her fault but if she doesn't want people to assume she's a man, she should dress more feminine, if she doesn't like being feminine, well then she should deal with the comments. You can't change billions of people just because you feel bad, I honestly think she has a problem with her look, I think it's her self esteem.
@@shineeshome totally agree with you....))
But when you’re a kid you can’t think maturely like that. Kids are cruel. At the same time yes- society should be the one to change!
@@shineeshome that's an interesting point, yet the reason anyone has low self-esteem is that they are made to feel that way by others. you're right you can't change the way billions think, but you sure can make 'keeping your comments to yourself' a thing.
I hate when guests think something that is actually a concern is " not a concern " like that couple . I wanna know if it were them in this situation if they would say is not a concern, being judge by everyone and not being confident in themselves because of how judgmental people are in korea. It is a concern people need to change . Being masculine is not a concern but she was there to tell people not to judge her .
exactly. i remember a time where a african-american was a guest, he kept on getting racially discriminated and they all said "not a concern" but it's obviously racism. :(
@@triziamariee Exactly there's a lot is racism cases with everyone including foreigners that are not from a first world country, also concerns where the guests clearly have eating disorders and they say stuff like " is not a concern be more confident with yourself " as if this was going to solve everything . They should say things like " you don't need to diet, you are pretty the way you are if you really want to lose weight do it in a healthy way " . I feel like the female host understands so she normally just sympathizes and doesn't say much to the girls but that other host that plays the woman voice sometimes always say things like " is good that you lost some weight" " you look good now that you are skinny" , I get he is trying to be positive but u are not helping since thoses people are not losing weight in a healthy way.
@@csoniah4432 yes! i think the ones who are mentally suffering who gos on this show always receives comments saying "it's not a concern" when it should be a concern. this show really needs a real counselor guiding them. a lot of people watch this show, i know most of it is for entertainment but it is also educational at some point. it's disappointing to see how they react to racism and body-shaming in this show. it's sad to see how lee youngja is the only female host in this show.
@@triziamariee They mentioned in the episode that they did it to show support by saying that this is something that they as a society can work towards changing. I do agree that they should have pushed the button but I don't know if you can say that it's because they didn't think that it was a concern
I mean it’s they’re opinion
You don't need to be feminine to be a girl or masculine to be a boy. People need to understand that and not judge them for how they look. We don't care how old or young you are, you have no right to touch a person just to "confirm" their gender. It's okay just to ask politely but when they say they're a girl or boy, they're a girl/boy.
ikr? And it's because of this mindset that there are so many labels. Genderfluid, non binary, etc. Because people don't understand your behaviour /interest/looks doesn't directly correlate with your gender. You can be a woman with boiysh looks, we call them tomboys, but in this day and era these tags are replacing such an easy term.
but people identify with gender norms. even transgender identify with gender norms being that they cant identify with biology but how society presents societal characteristics of the sexes.This is far more prevalent today than ever before and wont be going away in the west any time soon
It’s kinda weird how yongja told her to adjust her style a little when she doesn’t dress “feminine” herself. She would feel so uncomfortable if people were telling her to wear skirts and stuff like that .
Bomb Diggity because she isn’t having a problem with it. She doesn’t get people confusing her as a guy. The lady with the concern is having the problem and even said that she’s purposely tried looking feminine already.
Ronin Soju yeah that’s true but that’s how the lady prefers dressing she even said it in the video. Just because people think she looks like a man doesn’t mean she has to change her style to appeal to them. She likes dressing the way she does.
But you don’t need to wear skirts to look feminine :) I’ve seen plenty of pants on women that gave them a feminine charm. It’s really all about finding the right clothes and matching the outfits nicely. But I understand your point. However, you can’t forget that the lady has been struggling with this for quite a while, and as Einstein said, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I really do hope that she, herself actually enjoys the new style given to her. I admire that she wants to "change" for her children, I just hope that she's not sacrificing too much of her own style and identity just for them. Personally, I'm often suspected to be a lesbian because of my manly style and personality. I try not to think much of what others people think, and I really hate wearing makeup and skirts, or clothes that shows too much skin, etc. and I hate it when others force me to :( ...My boyfriend (and ex) liked me despite my tomboyish nature but I hate it when they try to make me act and dress more feminine and always saying "I know you're beautiful, I just want to make you more beautiful." :( *sigh~ I know that it's supposed to be a compliment but I part of me feels sad, thinking that I'm not fully accepted as my true self :c
Uhhm. Yeongja didn't said that. It was the guy with the gray sweater that is next to the "complainant". Yeongja even defended her for what the guy said.
(sorry for my english guys I'm not a native English speaker 😅)
The look at the end really suited her😊
Her husband is the best!! Every woman deserves a husband like him - and she is a lovely person who seems very strong. I respect that.
does anyone else find her cute?
That part
"I don't really care, she's my wife and I love her"
It touch me.
She looks like a woman to me, she has that softness in her eyes. She can wear skirt pants or cullotes if she's not comfortable with skirt. Or probably just wear hairpins.
She's really lucky to have husband who accept her imperfections ❤️
I hope i can find myself one like him too
She looks like a woman tho? In pictures yeah she looks a bit masculine. But not here...
For anyone here who experienced living in Korea, are they really that nosy?! Because every time I watch HC, they always complain of people talking behind their back, strangers insulting them or harassing them just because of their looks etc... It must be tough living there...
Yes, they are usually like that
To me she really looks like a man. Especially if you just passed her on the street or in the bathroom, she looks ever more like a man! And I see why she was popular. She looks so handsome in that highschool photo! Even I can admit that.
lmfao just from watching all these variety show clips, you quickly realize how "image" is so incredibly important to koreans. korea is also a very judgemental society. like if you wanna be "perfect" you're gonna be self-concious of like EVERYTHING. like that's why when idols get into dating scandals, it often reflects badly. because they go from the "ideal romantic partner" to "yikes taken". it's quite toxic. that's why their sasaeng fans are so much more problematic than other countries imo.
I could tell that she was a woman but she has more of an androgynous feel. I wouldn't go screaming if she walked into a women's bathroom and I wouldn't talk behind her back either. If I don't know 100% then I don't say anything. I had a trans friend and I didn't know how to address him for 1.5 years because I didn't know which pronouns he used and I was too shy to ask so I just always addressed him by his name 😂
@@pandaonsteroids5154 perceptions of the norm of what masculinity or femininity looks like is depending on what people have been conditioned as the norm / baseline. In South korea, the standard woman looks a lot more feminine (in the traditional sense of looking very soft features, shapely, skirts, dresses, makeup, long hair etc) than how this woman looks like. In my country, it's not so extreme. I could easily tell she's a woman that simply does not look super feminine, but still a recognisably woman (i wouldn't think she's a man - there are a lot of aspects to her that are still v uniquely womanly...like her voice, the look in her eyes, her aura, and her facial features are still softer than a man's). But i wasn't surprised that many thought she was a man in South Korea, just because they don't see too many women that look like her.
Watching this show gives me so much physical stress because the people on it experience such real societal issues and the hosts largely just make fun of them and its getting really stressful and feels very much like a show trying to tell people to just 'be normal' or 'do what society wants' rather than be accepted for who they are. For a show called hello counselor the hosts sure don't know any basics on how to make a person feel cared about or understood and the whole show just feels like a testament to how dismissive and judgemental kr society really is. I shouldn't have to feel like I want to throw up from the prredjudice on what's supposed to be regular daytime TV there's something so wrong about this
Well, that's Korea. Everyone tries hard to blend in and not bother their relatives with their differences. Also, this show is for entertainment, it may look "educational" sometimes but it's really not. This show is not supposed to make the audience/viewers feel uncomfortable or guilty. It's supposed to make them laugh and entertain them. It's not a serious show, otherwise it wouldn't be that popular. The goal is not change society but to give a quick (easy) solution to the person who has a concern, a solution that makes everyone confortable, which is why they never advised someone to step out of a relationship or see a therapist.
@@funkylilmouse ik the purpose of the show but when ppl to on for very genuine reasons and just get clownned it's pretty frustrating
sk need to clean up their act with basic human decency when this is classed as normal acceptable tv
meru also there was an episode with a little girl who was born with two different eye colors and how she was getting looks and talk behind her back, they didn’t judge her or her mother and tell them to wear contacts or change themselves. They encouraged the mother to stop caring about what others say so she can be strong for her little girl making her grow up with a non judgements family even if she can’t protect her from the outside
They weren’t rude or trying to normalize anyone at all, they were actually really respectful! See? They may seem like that but they aren’t. This is just adressing the problem. But I totally agree in this episode they didn’t do much to help the woman at all
meru I’m pretty sure this show isn’t exactly for counseling, they encourage actual therapists and sessions in some other episodes for really extreme cases too. This is sort of like venting Atleast I think so, since I’m a lot of other episode if there is a conflict between another person and then they’re like “I don’t see the problem” and then they make them understand by the end
This show is more for entertainment. Did you really think putting famous comedians on stage would make anything serious? It's their job to keep the audience and watchers entertained. You can't really get mad at that because you didn't make the show and have no control over what happens. Also, people send in their concerns knowing the nature of the show. If they wanted something more serious, they should go to counseling. This show also puts the guests out there. Like the woman who wears a Hijab or the girl with one blue eye. Then, others can notice them. It's all in the name of entertainment and business.
Saddest thing is when the daughters are embarrassed of their own mother. I feel that that's the deepest hurt perhaps. I understand that in that society, female must look a certain way to be considered more feminine but mmm.. hopefully as the daughters mature more, they can be proud of their mom and show off her love for them :)
Great husband! Good on u to love your wife for who she is. Could u also consider heart to heart talk to your daughters ? 🙂
KBS I think you swapped the thumbnail with other concern about animals
noticed it too kekeke
Lol, I realized what happened after seeing the video again 😅 oops!
I think its easy for her to keep a boyish style and soften it up enough so she can still feel pretty without having to Barbie doll her up. She looked nice in the end, she reminded me of Dorothy on Golden Girls.
She didn’t need to change. She was beautiful either way❤️
i wish her daughters would grow up to tell their mom that she looks beautiful no matter what
If she lived in the US she wouldn’t be criticized at all
I think she would still be criticized realistically, it would just be less severe
Are you sure?
maybe in some parts but not all of the us is very accepting
Sin asunto Hmm i think so
If she lived in mars shes totally wouldn't being criticized at all..lol
The transformation was rlly cool the mum looked good both ways and looked like a cool celebrity afterwards she was pretty both ways 💞
in the end, it's the 'victim' who should change, not the society and their stereotypes hmm smh but still I'm glad the stylist made a make over like that so she can be more aware of the style she can wear. and i hope her children can be proud of her no matter what she's wearing or how does she looks like.
Society cannot change overnight but her style can
Wow, that look at the end really suits her!
I think I might be in the minority with my comment but here goes:
I thought she was transgender when she first took off the mask. Square jaw and wide nose are common male features and I can completely understand why people, at first glance, would see in a masculine light. After getting used to her for 30 minutes, I was able to see the more feminine features and get used to her as "woman". As was evident by the attention she gets, no one is saying she's ugly she just has traditionally masculine features, and so, she is regarded as masculine by the snap judgments the human brain makes. Her concern is not an easily solvable one - they cannot fix society though they try very very hard by calling out Koreans on being loud and making hurtful comments and judging so harshly. HOWEVER, they can do their best to help the person with the concern and if that includes a makeover they will do it. They didn't throw her in a long wig and pink dress. They tried to work with her own unique style and look and comfort level so she can show off her natural femininity and she looked good. I think she can take the tips that style provides and incorporate it into her own everyday look.
soshiangel90 I totally agree!!! Honestly, that’s all she needed. A few style tips, so she can look herself without subtracting her natural feminine beauty and features. The makeover was awesome.
I completely agree re: the makeover being good. Everyone is saying that "why didn't the show focus on Korean society needing to change??" -- I agree that they could have focused on it a bit more, but her concern has two aspects: one is the societal issue that even gives rise to these types of inconveniences and perceptions in the first place-- and the second is more short term and immediate: the fact that her daughter feels ashamed, the fact that she gets weird looks everywhere she goes. It's such a long term thing to change people's perspectives-- even if Hello Counselor did focus more on the fact that Korean society is very unforgiving regarding genders and appearances... would that help her? Maybe in years and years to come, gradually, but sometimes, people also need help getting by day to day. And sometimes, compromising isn't too bad of an idea if you want that quick fix to help. c:
And you know what, when people see a more masculine face like that whose face and style is a mix between conventional gender standards, like her fashion at the end, that also might help change perceptions. Get people more used to faces like hers. In the end-- the choice is up to her. The show is giving a slight platform for her concern to get into the public sphere and spark discussion, and they're also giving her a tool and an idea in case she wants something more immediate.
@Neha Dongol ok but if she walked in to the female restroom, I would scream too. It's not that I'm trying to judge her for how she lives her life or her looks but it's that I'm a girl seeing a guy walk into a very vulnerable place for females! As long as she is part of this society, she has to accept that she will keep getting reactions like that. No one is forcing her to change but she can't force everyone to bend to what is comfortable to her either.
truth. She does have very masculine features. But it was obvious after a while she was a woman
Wide noses have nothing to do with gender.
@24:18 - Nope! Yongja! I expected better from you. She doesn't have to adhere to the gender norms. People need to come out of their shell and be respectful to one another.
What I notice, when people come to this show with the concerns like this (having feminine voice, masculine personality or different physical appearance) the show's cast impose them to fall into the fixed frames of the homogeneous society.
Dear Korean People! Please travel; meet people who have different hair, skin, language, culture, looks, voice or whatever the heck you are not used to. You gotta be open to the differences.
It's highly essential to be open to others, accepting them as they're, because they have equal rights to be happy.
The advice is what they want. It's not about accepting things they could change. They come here WANTING to make changes. Everyone was kind to her, but she clearly is attempting to find a way to look more feminine, so it's judging of HER that you're doing, not korean society. Don't judge her for coming here wanting to figure out a way to become more feminine. Just support her decisions. They're saying the hard things she came here to hear, but they're still being super kind to her while doing it and showing they like her for who she is. Koreans want to be the best they can be so they take criticism better than most people do, especially when they want to be the way the advice will help them be. Being unique is great if it's what you want, but the more unique you are the farther you fall out of the center of society. Don't judge someone for wanting to be closer to center again, even if it's not what you would do.
But I honestly felt that maybe she had trouble embracing her femininity. It really looked like all she had to do was get a makeover. I don’t think this a matter of being accepted as she is but realizing that it’s okay to embrace your femininity, to wear skirts, and be a girly girl. I think it’s innate in most girls.
Although I have nothing against girls who like to look manly, it is inevitable that people will get confused, whether you like it or not. But at the end of the day, that shouldn’t matter right? Idk. It’s something to think about
She wanted to stop being judged, and the only way to do that is to fit into society norms. A lot of people say to be different and what not. That’s fine to an extent and is very cool, but if you want to put in no effort in the way you look and expect not to be judged, you are asking for too much and are lazy. Nothing against this lady though, she obviously was looking for change.
@@AM-sp7fm excuse me wtf are you saying
I loved her and her husband has such a great attitude. Her daughters need to adjust their thinking. However, I did love her makeover.
Even though her family didn’t seem to like it that much, I thought she looked absolutely beautiful, like a powerful businesswoman.
Her body her choice, the people around her should change instead of her changing her style.
How? If she looks like a guy and dresses like a guy, why should people automatically know she's a woman. That doesn't make sense.
@@tessw9744 im not saying that they should automatically know that she's a woman; the reason why she came on the show with her concern is because people were too quick to judge her based on her looks. So what if she looks like a man? People can just acknowledge that when they misunderstood the first time but that's just not her case. Plus why shld she be changing the way she wants to look just so that people will accept her; cant others be less judgemental and more open minded instead
Since this is about her looks, when I first saw her, I thought her hairstyle looked abit awkward on her. Short hair suits her, but the way the hair would sit on her hair wasn`t the best The stylist at the end really did a good job. Didn`t even need the makeup actually, but looked like that and the colourful clothes made her cheerful.
Other than the appearance, she seems to be such a good person, good wife, and good mom. She``s trying so hard not to cause issues like people bullying her children because of her. And it`s not even something she has control over(with her condition, and wanting to get cosmetic surgery that didn`t happen).
Her husbands also seems to really support her. I`m glad she found someone who loves her for who she is.
By far one of my favorite guest! Loved her personality, she seems like she'd be really fun to hang out with. Her husband is a great guy as well!
S.N.-I don't think she's the one with the problem it'sother people's mindset. Even her daughters think that way, I hope that they learn to accept and appreciate their mother. She is such a likable person and has a great personality!
that final release of her look made me smile SO HARD, SHES SO GEORGOUS OMG. I really hope shes found her style, and can accustom to that new style she was given. she looks like a CEO or an actress omg...
wow that makeover was amazing. The stylist really blended her "masculine" side and gave her a more gender fluid outfit
So i guess those kpop idols that people love so much are not manly? People keep on saying "good on the husband for accepting her imperfections" are you for real?
Nope the Kpop idols look feminine.
Literally, they are beautifully family! I’m really glad that her husband fell in love with her and have two wonderful daughter. So loveeeeee and cheesy! ☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️
Wow, what a wonderful makeover in the end! She mainly needed the right haircut for her face shape and a clothing style that flatters her body shape. Great job, stylist!
Okay, is it just me or??? Cause she just looks like a middle-aged woman with short hair..... Why are people mistaking her for a guy???
Idk why too but i have the same opinion w/ u
5:41 I actually laughed so hard at this picture, they really look like a couple, the pose and everything. Anyways, she's a beautiful strong woman and I root for her to always be herself
yall she was willing to change just for her daughters since she prioritizes them alot. of course society i sht but i think she was really willing to change atleast just a bit for her daughters.
the woman scored gold with her husband.. his personality is what every man should strive for ... glad a person like that is in her life through this tough time of hers!
Wow, she didn't look awkward at all to me, she looks so great in her new look, not because she is more feminine, it just suited her so well.
korean please dont judge book by its cover. lady you are a beautiful soul. happy family forever
sweetie We get that, but this video is SPECIFICALLY about a KOREAN woman in KOREA.
men like her husband are very hard to find these days. she's very lucky to have him as a husband
Jihyo looks so loving and caring🥺❤ my heart melts always
The stylish did very great job. The new style suits her best and she can keep her fav short hair as well.
She looked *so* cool & sophisticated! I hope she had a lot of fun with it!
I’m tired of people and their nosiness. You go through so much when you’re a little different. It’s too much. I hope they pull through as a family.
That new hairstyle looks really great on her. It completely changed her jawline.
Her laugh is everything. 💜 her daughters should support her as a mother.
She's beautiful!
I'd hit it.
I grew up with the “hot mom”
who was mean to me and hated me my whole life
WHAT I wouldn’t have given, to have a mom like her with so much love for her kids.
I know they’re young but they were rude and when she had her gorgeous transformation?! They still put her down.
She’s beautiful inside and out whichever way she is, and *strong as hell* for putting up with peoples’ bullshit for her entire life.
I’m torn because she shouldn’t have to change and people should just mind their business and keep comments to themselves, but her make over hair style looked SO good and it really suits her. And the outfit was so cool and chic, but not overly-feminine. She looked so goddamn cool and powerful post-makeover.
I hope she continues to do what makes her happy and that her kids grow out of their shyness or develop some of their mother’s Boss™️ attitude.
in all honesty I find her to be very charming and cute in her own way, she actually reminds me of my sister. I also saw how they cut Mina when she said it was a concern, what bs
She looked amazing at the end! I'm sad that the daughter was still saying she looked awkward because she was BANGING in that outfit. It sucks that society can't just accept her as she is without causing a fuss, but that's the reality of the situation. Society, especially in Korea, puts a huge emphasis on looks. Hyperpituitarism can cause traditionally manly features, and is probably also the reason why she is so tall. It's not her fault, but you can't go around explaining to every person you meet that you're a female. I think it is a concern if it's affecting her daughters to the point they're embarrassed to be seen with her. That is damaging to your family structure.
That's really unbelievable, the first husband I saw supportin his wife, cause that show almost all men are messed up.. The problem it's those host cause every concern they find a joke n laugh about someone else pain
Wow the end result is so crazy
The haircut really added a lot
Omg her style at the end tho. She looks like a company president of a clothing brand
why is nobody talking about it how hilarious she is xD
When comforting others you shouldnt focus on yourself but just listen to them. They are comparing their situations which are far from hers. Its not the way to comfort someone. This show sometimes is irritating. They contradict what they say and think that showing pity or saying words is enough. You can see that the woman and the husband are trying to say something more and looks so uncomfortable by their jokes but they let them, they are now used by it which is sad because they shouldnt suffer something like that and get used to it. Even Mina feels uncomfortable.
Her family are so sweet! That makeover is EVERYTHING! She looks so bright and cheerful like that even the way she walked was different. She should try to keep the same style it really suits her! It wasn't much but it made such a big difference! Her family saying it's awkward because they have never seen her like this but she looked amazing
I NEED THAT STYLIST!!! Such a great style and look
I can't deny that she look like men,so what? Thats not a thing that she can choose,as human being thats normal,everybody has their own style,boyish,girly,or anything,thats not our business to judge her look,anyway i can't deny that shes totally look pretty when she smile,just like mother smile :) i love her,specially her husband
honestly the mom could wear prettier makeup and more stylish clothing but she's old fashioned. girls who are taller have to style themselves a certain way. this is not just her problem all tall girls have this issue and have to find ways to look more feminine. but her kids can't even pay one single compliment without giving backhanded compliments like "even if you're not pretty." looks aren't everything. if i went through 18 months of labor just to stretch out my vagina to have those two as my kids i would be furious
Her whole face lights up when she smiles! And she looks sooooo good at the end!!
No one is born ugly... We are just born in a judge mental society...
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I was very upset by her daughters’ reactions to the mini makeover. I thought she looked very nice. They styled her in a way that I saw as both masculine and feminine. If her goal was look more feminine for events that involved her daughters and husband’s friends, I think the style they gave her is a comfortable middle ground. For everyone saying she is fine with herself and they didn’t listen to her, I think they did because she said she wants to be more feminine for certain occasions and they gave her that option. On a regular basis, she can just do what she wants with her appearance.
After the styling she looked GORGEOUS. The stylist did a good job, just tiny changes to enhance her natural beauty.
She's so pretty with that dress, hairstyle and make up. Her husband saw her innerbeauty and he's right. Hope by the new style, she will be more happier.
Wow! I understand her concern. But can we just appreciate how much of a good person she is? Like I LOVE her personality! If she wants her style a certain way, then she can have it. I really smiled at the end though. Her smile made me smile 😊
They talk about having two fathers as something shameful or bad... I hope Korea can leave this kind of homophobic thoughts behind some day. It's 2018, people.
That's not the point though, they are just hurt because she's not a guy haha. I believe they didnt even intend to make it sounds homophobic :P
LOL if you want progressive, korea's probably not gonna make any big steps soon...
you shouldnt be trying to shame people into your beleifs . year has nothing to do with beliefs
Korea had its first gay kiss in 2014 (or very recently) and it was at 11h00 at night between 2 women...progress is slow
Agreed
Awwwww....THE COUPLE IS 'LOVE GOALS'
😁😁💞💞
The mom has such a sweet personality! And her transformation at the end omg she looked beautiful 💖💖💖
Wow she is so pretty with that litle change in her hairstyle !
Damn her transformation. she looks so cool!!
The men in korea wear makeup and wear really long earrings yet no one says anything?
That's just the idols if ordinary men did that they'll probably consider them gay and be outsiders(not that there is anything wrong with being gay but you know how close minded people are)
this is the first time those guys offered a real solution to their participants. i'm happy for her.
Her husband got the most handsome heart and personality ever. The way he's so confident and proud of his wive makes him sooooo cool. I wish I can find a man that loves me this much :(
Maybe those are just my lesbian Powers but she actually looks like a woman to me?? I mean, I get why they would say she's a man (square face and body type) but idk, just how she walks, the way she talks or the movements she does, it's clear she's a woman
What the heck...she does look like a woman just with a cute pixie.
What's the problem... don't understand it. When you can accept those feminine fragile kpop male idols and praise their beauty then what's wrong with a tomboy...!?
Can't agree more. The stereotypical standard of beauty is way too narrow in so many communities. It is true that it's human nature to judge and to ostracize people who are different from the majority, still, wouldn't diversity be beautiful as well. Also, people keep saying that pink is the color for girls whereas blue is for boys. But that is just the strategy companies used to market their way out. Always stay doubtful and critical about what others tell you. And who can predict the trend and beauty standard 300 years from now? Be open.
ikr? This is such a weird concept to me. There's no problem with looking femenine, but it's so hypocrital to praise men who look femenine and scold woman who look boyish. Like ????
with a cute pixie???
like... pixie dust????? huh?????
@@ohhimark6864 Pixie haircut.
I mean there are men in Korea who looks a bit feminine so to add on to her height and a few masculine features Korean people can mistakenly think that she is a man but I totally agree with you, to me she doesn't look like a man but hey that's Korea for you c':
i wish the family would stop calling her awkward looking whenever she makes an effort. she looked so happy with the makeover yet the lack of enthusiasm from them (mainly her daughters) was so disheartening which isn’t helpful for her low self-confidence.
The style change here is so much better than any style change show I've seen hahah
I love the haircut, it suits her well😎👍
Oh my, her kids are so rude and disrespectful, I honestly can't understand people who are ashamed of their parents, they are great as they are, you are the ones who should accept them as they are in this life yet you dare be this uneducated, even if your classmates are wrong, you should correct them and say that your mother is the best as she is and as she wanna be, just let her do what she wants, its so frustrating to see things like this ugh, I'm so mad.
It is really reminding me of my sister who's ashamed of our mother, I truly can't understand this behavior, I am so proud of my family like I am the happiest when they are with me, I'm like "my mom and dad are the best, I love them so much!"
And I never cared about what others might think about me or anyone else, I am who I am I accept myself and I don't need your opinion to do so, just love yourself man.
Agree! They should have protected her. I was slightly hoping this show could make them realizes their mistake and apologize her for hurting her feelings too. She even mentioned that the poem was funny yet sad. I'm depressed as I see the mother's reaction. But in the end, the mother managed to gain confidence. Her transformation at the end suits with her tho. Most people sees her as outgoing person and have leadership personality and that style screams it well. Let's love our mom's who loves us unconditionally. We should do the same thing to our moms.
26:43 wow thank you stylist people she looks more confident. Confidence is beauty
she doesn't look like a man. she is actually very cute. we all can not be the same and society must learn to appreciate everyone and not just people who seemingly meet generic standards.
At least theyre not bullshitting her and saying things like “just have more confidence! Every girl is beautiful!” Which may be true when is cones to inner beauty, but not everyone is beautiful in the eyes of the competitive Korean society.
Tbh she probably could’ve been a kick-ass model in the US when she was young.
@@izzywoods794 why young? I only seen the picture of her w the siblings. And that was no model material. Not referring to her being cute or not.. just not model material. I am attractive but not for modeling. Nothing super about me to model.
I understand where the daughters are coming from in the terms on being embarrassed but, I don't like how they keep on telling her to dress and such. Like my mom has short hair and I've only seen her wear a skirt maybe 2 or 3 times in my life but, I've never pressured her to dress up more or have longer hair. The only time and my sister have said anything about her hair being longer is that she looks pretty with long hair too. I just don't understand how they could be hurting their mom's feelings and not understand that?
So hard to find husband like him . May God bless this family ♡
I like this episode for coming up with such a superb solution!!! It's actually problematic for her to feel sorry towards her family for looking "un-feminine" although everyone in the family is so harmonious. I'm also sure her daughters only want to prevent classmates from making fun of their mother... They do love their mother a lot, which is obvious to the mother as well. This is a great episode with no harsh feelings. It is only the society that requires a wake-up call.