We laid this horse down.... does it fix it??
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2024
- In this update with our training series on Remmy, we share our latest progress with Catching, Haltering and Leading, Mounting preparations, getting to the canter online and how we are using laying her down to help with taming, building trust, diminishing her defensiveness and helping her turn loose.
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What did I learn, slow and steady wins her trust! Trust is earned, short and sweet ends on a good note. Happy horse= happy human!
Awesome!
Yes, you are!! @@peartreeranch
I’m amazed you don’t have more followers Jake, you’re so respectful and mindful with the horses in your care. I just wanted to pop on here and say well done. Keep up the gentle good work. 🙏🏻❤️
Thank you!
Thank you. I like watching your calmness with her and learning.
Thanks!
Grate video to watch!
We need more horseman like you, showing that there is no quick fix with horses. They always need time, dedication and effort. If they are lucky enough to find themselves on your ranch they will find understanding as well.
It is beautiful to watch how you show Remmy that you are seeing her slightest try. I swear I can see her replying back and trying her best to please you.
I can only imagine the relief she have to feel.Such a sweetheart.
Yes, it's a great video and she'll be a great horse.
Thank you!!
She's a beauty!! And she learned to trust you😊! She likes you & is trying to please you😊. What a good girl!! And you Jake are a good trainer😊!
Thank you!
The lay down was beautiful ❤
Tina
Thank you!
Thank you for sharing your skill and expertise on UA-cam for us all Jake.
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
I am so amazed how far she has come. Great work buddy.
Thanks buddy
Enjoying all your videos about Remy. Found you through Ryan and the first video of Remy. I love seeing the amazing process she's made so far with your training. Way to go! 😊
Awesome! Thank you!
love how gentle you were with her
Thank you
I am anticipating more follow-ups with her! I observe she only allows handling on her left side. I've worked with horses, and she is way out of my league. She's going to take a lot of time and patience. Thank you for yours!
Yeah you have to keep setting up that right side. It’s getting better but she has her sweet spot. Thank you!
I feel she was up on the mountain ready to jump off a cliff. You talked her out of it the first day with her. Then you showed her the path back down. Today we see her come into the lovely meadow. Helping her to find a peaceful place. Beautiful.
Beautifully said!
Thank you!
Rode 4-H when I was young. Never was super good, but had a lot of fun. Had no mentors. I'm enjoying watching you. You're energy is so low, and the horse becomes so relaxed over the session, that I actually become drowsy myself watching! Amazing manipulation of bodily energy, allowing the horse to share that low intensity space. I've been watching since the first video Ryan Rose did on Remy's eval. What wonderful redemption of this creature!
Thank you!!
Bin messing w/ horses for 30 years! You are one of the best I’ve seen great work! I’ll dam sure keep watching!!!
Thank you!!
Fantastic video. What progress from Monday to Tuesday!!! She seems so peaceful with you. Very happy!! Glad REMi found you. Thank you Jake.
Crazy right?! Very exciting. Thank you.
I could not look away. That was beautiful to watch. I know my blood pressure dropped a significant number of points and I was practicing the slow, easy breath work I have been learning almost without being aware of it. I could practically feel the change of energy thru the screen, once that pretty girl laid flat. This is a video I will be going back to watch again and again. Great job🌟
Thanks so much!
Yes
50+ yrs ago, my brother who was partially disabled due to a terrible accident, was determined to train a couple rank horses he'd picked up. He was very successful using the "lay them down" method. They were more calm & receptive to being handled & worked with afterwards. I think it made his horses realize there was no threat, no need to fight. I have s horse now that is terrifeid of many things, im thinking he might benefit from some laying down sessions too. Thanks for showing this.
Thank you for sharing your story!
Very very nice Jake. Really loved how you handled the teaching mounting off the fence
Thanks 👍
Beautiful session. Patience and time can undo just about anything.💕
Thanks
Jake, you are the horse whisperer. I love your videos.
Thank you
Honestly what a great mare. She has so much try in her and she wants to do a good job, she just needs someone to teach her the confidence. I truly love the sensitive ones like her. If you know how to work with them they are some of the smartest, most honest, and hardest trying horses
Yep
So true. I work with one of these lovely horses every Thursday. He had bad experiences with people and it took me (no professional trainer) quite a while to get his confidence, but now he knows that I would never harm him and he trusts me and wants to do everything as well as he can and learns very fast. He's not my horse, but I love him to pieces 💕
A beautiful, and beguiling session to behold. You’re an absolute horse gentler Jake. She knew she was getting a great deal with and - we can see just how much - from you ❤ The “softness” in the relationship was palpable. So lovely.
Thank you!!
Great discussion about WHY to lay this horse down. Every horse doesn't need it and some it makes worse.
Definitely no absolutes that work with every single horse. That's why they call it training ( horse and rider) ❤
Thank you! Agreed.
Nice session for her confidence. Always love watching you work.
😘😘
Such a good & clever girl!!😅😅❤❤
Yes!
I am so amazed at her progress. She's trying. And you are an amazingly insightful trainer. Thank you, for helping Remi be willing to help herself❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you!
I love your session with Remi. She really showed on the return to her stall when she came to you at the gate, how she enjoyed her session. She is very happy. her expression showed me how she came to you for more, like I got it, what's next? She is like an innocent baby and you are opening the world for her. Amazing! It's like they say in Psychology, what we don't understand, we either fear or hate. great job Jake. looking forward to you sharing more. Thank you for showing me how to work with my young mare.
Thank you!
She is really coming along. I wish I knew this technique before I retired. I had 1 mare of my own who was never mistreated, but had the strongest flee instinct I've ever seen. She produced wonderful, sensible foals, but could never be started under saddle. I think laying her down would have helped. 1 of2 horses in all those years I couldn't help.
It’s one of those things that can really help if done right. Thank you!
What a quiet and calm equine conversation that was to witness!
Thank you!
Phenomenal teachings
Thanks!!
This is the sweetest session I've ever seen. Remmy is beautiful. I love how she steps into you. Clever girl 🎉
😊 thank you
Amazing! So happy to see this lovely horse make positive steps. I need constantly to remind myself to be more slow calm and patient with my own (quite challenging) horse. Thank you.
Thank you!
Thank you Jake for helping Rene, I have enjoyed each step you have taken with her. I can see how her owner is excited for the future.
Glad you enjoyed
I love this video, again telling us all the little things you're looking out for. So much progress being made with this challenging mare. Shout out to your video crew ; )
Thank you!
Wow you are amazing!! I love your methods!
Thank you! Cheers!
The progress this beauty has made in such a short time is absolutely fantastic. She's gorgeous, a beautiful mover, and it's pretty clear that she WANTS to be a good girl.Loved the relaxation she found once she let go and was able to go flat out. I'm so grateful that she found you! -Jeane
Such wonderful progress! You are a gentle and understanding trainer. She’s so lucky to have you in her life.
Thank you!
She’s a really smart cookie. Love watching her think. 🙂
Agreed
That was amazing!
Thank you!
awesome way with horses!! nice and quiet and respectful =)
You are so kind
Wow! What an educational video. I'm enjoying watching the progress of Remmy and the training. So happy that she has you!
Thank you so much!
Nicely explained, Jake.
Thanks my friend much love to you!
Wonderful work❤❤❤
Thanks a lot 😊
Wow you are amazing at this. Great video. She looks so relaxed.
Thank you so much 🤗
Nice to see your kind of training❤
Thank you! 😃
I've seen this done once (50 years ago) not as gently, but just as effectively. Ironically the horse was marked almost identical to this mare but he was more draft-like.
Yes, its a very old method of flooding a horse to cause them to give up and accept whatever the human did to them. It stopped as a method of "training" after John Lyons showed everyone how much better "Round Pen Reasoning" was for training horses. I had hoped to never see this again.
Just tuned in in time to see you untying her hoof. Darnit! Will for sure have to re -watch ASAP. So glad I learned of you from Ryan!
Thanks for tuning in!!
That is a really neat idea you got there, I never really thought about the lay down in that way.
Thanks
Great work!
Thanks!
I have really enjoyed this series and watching Remi grow. She seems like she wants to be a good girl and please her handler.
Glad you’re enjoying
Wow!
She’s doing great considering where she came from.
Thank you!
Thank you for all you do for this troubled horse as well as helping give us more tools to help us with our horses.
Happy to help!
I personally just don't agree with tying a horse's leg up like this. I'm glad that you did handle her with utmost kindness and patience during that, though. Loved everything else, and have subscribed. I know I'm going to learn a lot!
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If time & money were no object, I'd take horses to you. Not many trainers inspire confidence that the horse will get a fair shake. Your consideration of the horse obviously means so much to Remi. And no doubt her owner.
Thank you!!
This was really cool to see!
I tried to get Soxy to lay down a couple years ago and he was so very not trusting of me yet.
Might have to try again sometime
Takes time!
I get halfway through this video and fall asleep.. recommended for insomniacs 😅 (maybe... I'm not)
Glad we can relax you! 😂
fascinating
Thanks
Wow! She is going to be amazing….but I think it’s going to be a long journey.
Agreed
I have learned that the horse obviously trusts you now and you are an incredible trainer! I think you are a very observant / intuitive trainer in regards to knowing what a specific horse needs to heal/learn. Will she have to relearn that level of trust with her owner, or is it more like a general trust of humans that will carry over once she goes back home? I find horse psychology very interesting and a combination of reading books and watching videos like this is very helpful!
Yeah it will be a lot of lessons and work getting things transferred to the owner.
Wow, I didn't know about the positive effects of laying a horse down. Very interesting and you're doing a great job with sweet Remy. Thanks for helping her!
Thank you!
All about building trust, very good progress, good luck transferring that to the owner
Thanks
LOVE your work!!
I believe 99% of problem horses all stem from behavioral/training issues. That being said, I am wondering about a medical issue with her. I knew a trainer with a mare with similar issues. The mare would make progress and then inexplicably revert. The horse was put down as being too unpredictable and dangerous. The trainer paid for a full necropsy. It turned out that she had problems with her ovaries (I don't remember if cysts or tumors.) In a mare this unconfident, her get out of Dodge should be a canter. Her reluctance to do so gives me pause. Just food for thought here.
Once again, I love what you are doing with her and the careful thought into what would be most helpful for this horse.
Yeah the ovaries cyst is a thing we’ve run into. From what I’ve seen so far I don’t think medical yet. Always on the mind though.
You have the patience of Job. She's doing so much better letting you go to her left side (when you're looking at her) and just overall. The catch was way quicker. I know the goal is to get her where anyone can ride her, but do you think she'll ever get there or will each person that rides her have to go through this whole process to gain her trust?
Probably each person will have to make the time to have that relationship to really be successful. Thank you!
@@peartreeranch Thank you for your response.
I had a n Appy gelding, I could go out and sit on his side and share a beer with him.
Awesome!
This horse is looking to BOND with a friend. Shes kinda Clingy, actually, once she gets over her fears.
I would love to know the back-story on this horse. I'm guessing she grew up wild, not in a band of mustangs but also with little or no human handling until they decided to start her. She's clearly a right-brained horse, sensitive and skeptical, that would've done best with a velvet-glove approach. A series of bad experiences with "training" most likely sent her into fight-for-life mode, and her previous owner gave up and decided the only option was to sell her to the killers. That's how she seems to me.
She's super defensive, always on high alert, obvious even when you went in to get her caught and haltered, as well as when you were turning her loose. I expect she'll take a lot of the right kind of handling to sand down the rough edges of what she knows from her past. I don't know that there are many people with the patience to go slow, keep offering the good option and wait for her like you're doing. Really impressive!
Thanks
Very nice. Big difference already from how that horse was at first. How old is it?
Not sure. Yeah big changes for sure. Thank you.
Has her vision been assessed on that right side. Because man is she ever keen to move in to her “pocket”
Agreed.
Is this horses name MEADOW ?
I live in NE Oklahoma and was headed to work in Coffeyville, KS. Driving north on hwy 169, I looked toward a pasture I had helped gather cows out of several times helping friends. I noticed an older cowboy there, his horse was named Rabbit. I found out later his horse, while being ridden was raring up him which scared him. They had put a young very experienced cowboy on Rabbit and soon Rabbit was raring up on this young man. When the horse got to the point where he was about to flip over, this cowboy kicked his feet out of stirrups and brought Rabbit down to the ground on the horses side. This is the part I saw, Several men were holding Rabbit down and another was giving him good spanking with a lariat rope. I found out later why they did this and they said Rabbit didn't act up the rest of the day.
Fixed?
This may work.....I have known from talking to a few trainers that in extreme cases, this can save a horse from a dire ending. No trainer does this unless it is truly necessary. Hoping for a good outcome!
Spoiler alert….. going great so far. Thank you! Hope you enjoy the video!
Interesting how she now very deliberately offers her withers as she comes in. I’m glad she’s in such understanding and competent hands. That was REALLY amazing to watch. Your nice deep round pen is perfect for this. I feel honored to be able to watch this gentle approach by a pro! Touches me ❤️ deeply.
Another Rabbit story from years ago is we were in the same pasture, it was cool and Rabbit was acting up, again scaring this old cowboy. A young experienced rider stepped up and said, let me ride him a spell. This young rider mounted up and took Rabbit as hard as he could make the horse run about a half mile across the pasture and the brought him back with the same speed. He charged toward us, putting Rabbit into a stopping slide, was off the horse before the horse stopped and handed the reins back to the old cowboy and said, "Hear you are, he won't act up no more today." These are true stories as I saw them myself
😂 gave it to him! He thought quiet riding was much better after going that hard.
Suggested trainers using positive reinforcement methods. Jesse Drent, Free Spirit Equestrian, Luke Gingrich, Raleigh Link just to name a few. Ryan you could be so much better, if you would just use positive methods. The time is now to make changes.
I know someone who uses R+ methods and she just got attacked by her horse. Keep up the cookies 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Hi my name is Jake. Jake from pear tree ranch. I coach all levels from Olympic riders, world champions, to backyard riders. I help 12-15 horses a day. I see some of those people do nice things. But that doesn’t mean I need positive reinforcement. Those horses they train aren’t guaranteed to stand up to pressure of real life and real world. And one or two horses a day for hours and hours isn’t making real change in the world. Cookies cupcakes and rainbows never really fix it all the way. My horses can gallop down a mountain, stop a cow, piaffe, Tempe change, give pony rides to kids and fat old ladies and are happy to run to me no cookies needed. Good luck in the world. The time is now to realize….. you’re wrong. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@peartreeranch Well, I got your name wrong, Sorry! Didn't get anything else wrong though. People DO notice and care when trainers use positive methods. If you don't see that, then you are not keeping up with your education. Quality over Quantity, unless of course you are wanting to be the McDonald's of the equine world. The world is always changing, and if you can't change with it you will be left behind. Every professional in every walk of life has to do continuing education. If you think you have nothing left to learn, then I feel sorry for you and any horses and people you deal with. There is nothing wrong with being kind to animals and people. BTW, I have galloped up and down mountains (endurance), trained many horses to the saddle (AND the cart), Given lessons to Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, and lots of other kiddos. Competed in barrel racing and pole bending (as a child), Hunter/jumpers (teen to young adult) and those fun Tempe changes, half pass at canter, piaffe and passage (Dressage middle years) But, no roping, nor do I want to. Have a Nice Day and Bless your heart!
@@peartreeranch Jake, there are people that bring other people to the ground (police, criminals) and the people that are subdued in this manner in most cases do what they are told. This isn't a new system of control, its been around a long time. Is it a good method? No, most people would agree that forcing anyone into compliance is not good. People can suffer long term trauma (PTSD) from being in these types of situations. Horses, or any mammals are the same. Some will fight back harder and stronger, some will become withdrawn. What about when the owner gets this horse back? Will they have to do the same thing you are doing? What if they can't? What happens to this horse then? Most owners want a horse to be their partner, not their adversary that they must constantly be controlling. Even back in the day, when "laying down a horse" was the accepted method of starting them, I never heard of anyone doing it more than once. Just things for you to think about. Warwick Schiller has grown and developed into gentler methods and understanding over the years too. He has really come to a greater understanding of the horse's mind and learning abilities. We all are learning, everyday.
I love seeing what Jake's been doing with Remy, all the sessions and his explanations. Such a gifted horseman. I've followed all kinds of trainers over the years (including Warwick Schiller) and get the most understanding these days from Jake and Ryan. There are so many methods on UA-cam now, what I don't do is stick around on a channel that I don't like. That includes presuming that my way is better than the trainer who's channel I'm on. If I have a legit question then I'll ask it hoping to get a better understanding of what's happening (altho with these 2 guys I rarely have to do that because they explain in the moment so well). All in all, I don't want to be rude and tell the trainer how to do his job.
I never thought I would see a horse get "laid on the ground" and subject to flooding again. I thought we got past this back in the mid 1980's when John Lyons began his "Round pen reasoning" method and round pens started appearing all over the landscape. We have now progressed to liberty training, using positive reinforcement and less tack, with many using only neck ropes and often bareback too. Look up Luke Gingrich who has never even put a bit in his palomino mare's mouth. I am very saddened to see RR use and promote this antiquated method of flooding a horse to make her submit to him. This is not a method anyone should be promoting.
I’ll continue to remind you, you’re wrong. About oh so many things. But it’s the internet and dumb asses rule here. Oh and again my name is Jake. And you obviously didn’t watch the video cause no one flooded her. But thanks for helping with the algorithm. I win again.
@@peartreeranch Quite Rude! If winning is your only goal, I can see why you are so against anyone or anything that is positive. As we say in the south, Well, Bless your heart!
@@chivasmom2024 if you believe so strongly in positive reinforcement, you should mail some cookies and just say great video. You loose again internet bully!!