A History of Northern Ireland Unionism, 1964
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- The Radharc team visited Derry in the summer of 1964 to look at accusations of discrimination against the Catholic population in housing and political representation.
The programme was deemed too sensitive to be broadcast in 1964 and it would be 25 years later before it was shown on RTÉ.
For one of the first times the programme was presented by a lay person Patrick Cunningham, a young UCD graduate. Interviewed for the programme are Frank McCauley of the Catholic Registration Association, Eddie McAteer and James Doherty of the Nationalist Party, Paddy Friel, a school teacher (father of playwright Brian Friel), and Dr Jim McCabe of the Hospitals Appointments Board.
It would be 25 years before the programme was broadcast. Explaining this Joe Dunn wrote,
“The programme was edited and being prepared for transmission by the end of ’64. But very early in the new year word came from the programme controller to say that he would prefer not to broadcast it. The reason given was that it would be inopportune to show it when the Taoiseach was meeting the Prime Minister of Northern Ireland for the first time.” He finished the article by saying,
“And if anyone is surprised that no Unionist is interviewed in the programme, then I should perhaps point out that we could not persuade any Unionist to participate!” - Розваги
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The school master so clear and dignified and broken hearted for the 1000s of boys who passed through the school system only to be let down by the state. But it was the education of the people that would be the catalyst for change.
That also happened when the B.B.C. visited Long Kesh..The Republicans were reading books and the Loyalists pumping iron..Probably comes from the fact that if you thought you had a right to a job you didn't need to study going to school.
Listen to how eloquent and clear ordinary people were back then.
To be fair I think they were all community leaders in different respects. I still agree though. No tv or smart-phone. Reading was the entertainment of the time.
I remember well a T.V. Crew going into Long Kesh at the height of the troubles and interviewing prisoners from both sides..It was clear to see how articulate & better educated the Republican Prisoners were compared to their neighbours in the Loyalist Cells.
@@sentimentaloldme :: The So Called Loyalists have an Identity-Crisis. They were unable to affiliate with the Irish, in Ireland, and are Unwelcome and an embarrassment to the English with their extreme sectarianism and living off handouts from English Taxpayers.
@@sentimentaloldme might that not be because you had to be a pretty dim witted unionist to get caught and imprisoned by the RUC...
@@dod4004 Good point...I remember a year before the troubles started..Went out with a lady from a loyalist area of Belfast for a few months... until she decided to bring me back to her home one night...That was the abrupt end to our relationship. That would never never happen in the home I came from... Someone must have been praying for me because when the troubles started lots of couple were shot dead just because they dared to marry someone of a different faith.
"I love the orange walk, there's not many things left in the world that make me feel handsome" - Frankie Boyle 🇮🇪
Clowns.
That’s not fair… Bradford and Bingley cosplay should be respected. People loved that bank and just because you think it’s funny to mock them doesn’t mean everyone finds it funny! You should be ashamed, sir! Ashamed!
I like how well spoken and eloquent the speakers are in this piece.The content of the language is far removed from current times.
Yes, I am constantly perplexed by the way we are brainwashed to believe that we are evolving !
Those people read books like we watch Netflix.Remember the old saying “Reading is to the mind what exercise is to the body “The librarian in our town had it pinned to the wall .
Indeed! And how agreeably I am frankly surprised at the rational reasonableness of the eminent Catholic speakers interviewed: how far away from the right nasty speech forms and attitudes of the likes of the SF/IRA spokeswomen. Oh but one regret, if only the reporter had tested the interviewed Catholic to ask them of their thoughts on the Catholic terrorist bombs throughout England in 1939 especially on 25 August of that terrible year and how it is that the deaths of innocents are overlooked by the Catholic Irish, even denied. Add to that that Catholic hardships are largely of their own doing eg having large families that cannot be afforded, wanting to be independent and neutral, yet ever complaining of poverty and no work, only to be given work by those they hate….Isn’t it they who get away with murder and worse, are proud of it?
@@Cromwelldunbar There weren't 2 million innocent starved to death by the Irish...That was done by the cruel occupiers of our island..There was slaughter and killings by British State Forces long before the six counties went up in smoke..The native Irish at one stage were not even allowed practice their faith, speak their native language, play their music, sing their Irish songs, or practice their culture..Their lands were taken over and families allowed to starve to death by the side of the road..I think that's enough to be going on with..
Yep the biggest crop harvests ever recorded in Ireland, all exported to England, no famine GENOCIDE BY THE INVADERS, that's the truth, let the English believe what they want 😢
It goes to show the lid can only be kept on the pressure cooker for so long eventually it will always blow up .
If the pressure release valve is kept shut.
And look what happened 5 years later...
What a gem of a documentary. Reminding us that if you denie people basic rights you must be ready to reap what you sow.
I'm not sure you actually believe that? Unionists denied Nationalists their basic rights, and now they in turn must be ready to have their basic rights denied?
Interesting that young Protestants are now voting Sinn Fein. Unionism offers no hope for people to go forward with their lives.
57 years later and loyalists are still living in the 17th century🙄
A Sectarian Statelet established by the Crown. A Failed Sectarian Statelet.
@@johndoe-ss9bz people are seeing it for what it really is/was now thanks to social media etc and as a result it’s day are numbered.
@@corkboy4523 In all due respect it may look or feel like that in Cork.
Im a 46 year old Belfast man and ive been listening to its days are numbered from basically when i was born. To be honest not much has changed except thankfully they dont kill one another anymore.
@@davealex6640 brexit has happened! That has set a chain of events in progress it seems.
@@corkboy4523 Yeah but theres always been stuff like that before to.
Even going back to 85 with the anglo Irish agreement which was also suspected to lead to a United Ireland before the millenium.
Your probably looking at least 10 years before serious talks on a border poll with brexit well implanted.
Even in the Nationalist camp and this is currently after brexit 10 percent of Sinn Fein supporters and 30 percent of S D L P the more moderate nationalist party are still in favour of the Union and then youve got the Unionists who still make up 4 percent of the majority vote.
I really cant see it certainly any time soon.
Brings back memories, born in England to A father from Draperstown my father decided that we could return to N.I. We went into the council office in Ballymena and a form was filled in for a council house, all went well until, yes you have guessed correctly "Religion" answer "Catholic",
the form was ripped up before my eyes and we left.
By a twist of the fates as a Soldier I returned to N.I., not the way I would have wished for and which is still painful to me.
How long will this fine video be allowed by the "Authorities" to remain ???
The situation in N.I. was in fact Apartheid and the resulting troubles were inevitable,
Try telling the unionists of today that and they'll start whinging. Then they sit there and blame us for the violence...
@@FPSIreland2 :: Irish Unionists are for a "UNITED IRELAND". The 6-County English Colonial Hangover is a "Mistake of History" that can only be corrected with a UNITED - IRELAND with no British imposed 2-State Sectarian Solution. This is the age of Civilization and Barbarian Sectarian Politics are a thing of the past.
Ballinascreen
@@johndoe-ss9bz
No
Ulster Protestants bright the troubles to Ulster
So sad this was a 1964 documentary- I was 14. I am now in my early 70’s and if we had not been taught to go into education I fear where my family and my sons may have ended up. Not one of them have ever been on the dole. Such good speakers with so much hope, pity it was lost on those who preferred to live in the past.
Excuse the grammar - meant has lol
Nothing has changed
Organised religion is another ploy by the brit capitalists. Let them fight like rats in a sack and let us abuse them and laugh up our sleeve. Ireland WILL become once again a united normal country engaged with all it's citizens. I suspect the more extreme oranges will move over to the West of Scotland. Not more of them ffs! Yeah we have the 'mad' fuckers here. That shite will waine but it will take time.
Plenty has changed... The border is back in the Irish sea where it should be.😊
What has being on the dole got to do with it?
brilliant documentary...the seeds of conflict right there.. and what a great prediction . it will not be solved by a victory of one side over the other but rather by a fusion of interests
We both know that probably isn't what's going to happen. Maybe if the unionists had negotiated from a position of strength. But they're leaving it perilously close to having Sinn Fein in power in the south. In which case they won't get a single concession. They'll simply be annexed into the republic. And tolerated at best.
@@dod4004 unlikely ... the south cant aborob them without thier broad consent .. it will be chaos...
If the UK at 50m had that much trouble with the Nationalist of the North .... how would the tiny republic fair..
It will need to be some kind of autonomy,,, but hopeful in the Republic . .Becasue god knows the Brits have not wanted NI in last 70 year
@@dod4004 Ridiculous statement...I can guarantee you that Sinn Fein will never allow ( nor would the Irish people stand for it) what happened for 60 years to the Nationalist people of the six counties happen to the Unionist population in a United Ireland. Even now the Orange Order are allowed to march without hindrance in what they consider a "foreign country".
Interesting that this footage is set in Derry - where at the time blatant electoral gerrymandering of the local council's areas was done by the then ni unionist stormont administration. By putting almost all nationalists in bogside area into just 1 ward whilst splitting the (minority population of Derry) unionists into 2 wards ensured the unionist control of the city. And thus also ensuring the minority unionists had housing control. No wonder this led to the NICRA marches only a few years later- one man one vote. Yet in early NI, PR applied (and then the local Derry council reflected the nat/ unst split). But then Stormont changed the system to FPTP- so with that, in comes gerrymandering:only eventually leading to resentment and thius the marches etc etc,- to change what was then Britain's," political slum". And to Westminster's shame, it turned a blind eye to all of this until the faeces hit the propeller from 1969 onward.
This is brilliant. Fascinating old footage. Go raibh míle maith agat for sharing!
I'm a Canadian and an Irish citizen. This stuff is utterly jaw-dropping to me. My father's father was a Protestant and he married my grandmother, a French Canadian Catholic, in the 1930s, and it didn't matter a bit to either of their families. It's astonishing to me that this is STILL a great big huge deal to people in Ulster, where my mother's mother (daughter of a Catholic who married a Hampshire Protestant who died in the Battle of the Somme) came from.
But- But why then are you making an issue of which religeon each member of your ancestral family were. It's it that you are astonded yet do precisely the same and go public with religeous views of both sides. It seems a 'big deal to you'.
@@MikeGreenwood51 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Irish people don't do religious prejudice. Some of our greatest heroes of nationalism and republicanism were protestants. It's the bigoted British aligned planters who segregate and discriminate by nature because they're afraid their Ill gotten gains will be threatened
@@MikeGreenwood51It's called "providing context". I can be aware of things about my grandparents without them necessarily shaping my life. Can't you? Or, if you're in Northern Ireland, maybe not.
I was a child living in Derry at the time this documentary was made. My parents, my uncles and aunties all felt exasperated with the discrimination practised by the local authority, especially in housing. Some of my older cousins who were married with children were still living with their parents because they weren't allocated housing. They felt helpless against this corrupt system.
To add insult and show their perceived superiority the Orange order would come from all parts of the septic statlet to Nationalist Derry and march in Catholic areas. The writing was on the wall for this apartheid state even as this documentary was being made. Communities can only take so much. The case for partition if ever there was one is now gone. It is a failed experiment. Time for a United Ireland.
There are some in Ireland (Republic) who believe that the time for a United Ireland is gone. Will a significant majority in Ireland vote in favour of a United Ireland if a Referendum was called? Possibly in 20-30 years time but hard to see it with the current political climate in Northern Ireland. Personally I would vote against it as I do not see any benefits for Ireland.
@@arthurgoodness7865 Thanks for your reply Arthur, with respect we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
@@paulholtom7317 no problem Paul. Whenever the U.K. Government allows for a border poll to be held, it will definitely lead to some strong debates on both sides of the border. I doubt I will see it in my lifetime but you never know. Just so long as people can live in peace whatever the outcome may be, that is all anyone can ask.
@Caroline so you don’t live on the island of Ireland but think you are in a position to decide on the future of the island of Ireland 😂😂😂.
@caroline8785 Take your arse back to ireland you subversive twit
No harm being reminded of what Northern Ireland is based on
Just to fill you in...There are people who live in the six counties that still deny this went on..Just read the comments on the Belfast Telegraph..The year was 1968 (before the troubles started)..I met the most beautiful lady in the world. We started going out I was from the south she was from a loyalist area of Belfast..A few months after meeting her she invited me back to her home one night. That was the end of me.. I was probably one of the lucky ones...because if we had got married...the two of us would have been shot dead. Still remember her last words.."Michael, I have to be cruel to be kind"....The south turned a blind eye to what was happening for over 50 years to a large percentage of the people living on the island of Ireland.
@@sentimentaloldme that’s a very tragic story Michael and I know you are 100% correct in the rest of your comment
That’s what happens when you have not only a hostile country south of the border that supported and protected Republican terrorists and brought in bigoted laws against the Protestant community.
It’s also what happens when you have a portion of the community who destroyed your towns, murdered your families and tried to destroy the State you choose to be part of.
@@GaraGambini so what you are saying is unionists held on to power by manipulating electoral boundaries in order to deprive Irish people their civil rights and to remove any ambition of developing themselves or their families in anyway. Then in the late 1960s a civil rights movement started which the unionists enlisted the help of the British army in quashing resulting in Bloody Sunday . Can you give me an example of such activities against protestants in Southern Ireland, be they civil rights abuses or discrimination in regards housing or jobs etc ? I’d be really interested to hear .
@@kcahill2777
There was a class system, poor Protestants were as bad off as Catholics. When the Civil Rights March came down the Grosvenor Road in Belfast and the Protestant families from Sandy Row came out to join in they were told to fuck off by those in the march. Most Civil Rights photographs contain known IRA members. This is a fact.
Still as bitter today as they were in 1690.
They are trapped in Derry wall shouting noooo surender taigs
Interesting how the name Derry is used in this video by Loyalists!
Them Orange men are very bitter though not as bitter as those Lemon lads.
It's sad that protestants deny their role in oppression of the catholics living in N Ireland. Catholics were fully prepared to live within the union providing they had equal rights to vote, for housing and for education. But the protestants would not give an inch. The civil rights movement thereafter evolved in to a nationalist United Ireland movement. A missed opportunity (again) by protestants.
What a superb time capsule documentary. This should be shown in schools as part of the history curriculum in both Ireland and the UK. No wonder strife erupted 5 years after this. It would happen anywhere where there is a reasonable expectation of fair play and that other little thing, what is it now? Oh yeah democracy.
This wasn't even allowed to be broadcast at the time...Now you know why...
🇮🇪🇮🇪Derry 🇮🇪🇮🇪👍
Doire 🇮🇪
As a Liverpudlian of Irish origin and citizen I'll never get into the heads of Unionists and the way they think, it's utterly backwards to me and the majority of people in Liverpool. It's based on 'victory goes the spoils' from the time of William of Orange, and a mentality of superiority lording it over the native majority on the island of Ireland. It's now, as it always has been, about power, the English elite telling their loyal protestant serfs to look after the place while they're away, which they have attempted to do for near on 350 years...
I have, as do my fellow Liverpudlians (for fear of offending some Unionists on here) no allegiance to a monarch, an elite or an establishment that thinks we are subjects to them, if the eejits within the Unionists community feel that's empowering, more power to them, just remember the very English elite despise you, loathe you and would sooner see you all rounded up on an Island somewhere just to not embarass them, that's the reality...sadly.
British people were the original inhabitants of Northern Ireland. Named in the annals by their Q-Celtic name “Cruthin”.
You’d do well to remember that before describing the Ulster Unionists as being non native to Northern Ireland.
@@raymondhaskin9449 if you're talking about the 'Britae' (where the term comes from) were the native people of the inhabitants of modern England, yes, this would include Queen Bodacea, the Romans knew of them. The Unionists and the zealots who represent the current interation are an embarassing joke of a party and those who follow them would be best to look for another party, or if you want join your Britae brothers in England start making plans. Btw the Romans never got to Ireland were the Gaels, before them Viking raiders ruled also the Unionists (and their spawn) are direct decendants of the Ulster plantation of the 17c from which I'm sure you're a decendant.
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158
You have no idea what your talking about.
“British” is a latinisation of the P-Celtic word Pretani. The Gaelic word for British people was “Cruthin”. These were the original British inhabitants of Northern Ireland.
@@raymondhaskin9449 neither do you Raymond and I really don't understand your point, or your logic, are actually saying the modern day decendents of what is Ireland were somehow not there but some People called the 'Bretani' and by your logic they are (which I'm gathering) the true decendants of Ireland so the term 'Sassenach' shouldn't be used as it post dates what you think are the real inheritors of Ireland, sorry Raymond but if you seriously think the bus burning, fleeg waving zealots that live in your neck of the woods think about 'Cruthin' and 'Pretani' then you're an utter clown of the highest order...there's no prize for you other than what's embedded in your chicken and egg theory. If there is to be a United Ireland dare I suggest you move to Eastbourne, but you know they were Saxons that came from a mix of Belgae, Celtic and German stock so I guess you wouldn't feel at home.
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158
I’m saying that Ulster Unionists are British people.
And the original inhabitants of Ulster are named in the annals as “Cruthin”. Which was the Gaelic name for the British people.
You’d do well to remember that before calling Ulster unionist people non-native.
As a British lad I got to confirm, I am not proud of that part of history. I had to serve in Derry and asked myself daily, what the hell I was doing over there in that particular time (1993-95)? And for whome?
The unionists gerrymandering outlined in this documentary isn't working anymore, The place was always just called "Derry" Unionists added the "London" part after, is it any wonder that what happened a few years later happened (The Troubles)
Great documentary
Very informative
I'm from a Mixed Family. Catholic Mother from Cork and Protestant Father from Donegal. I find these historical documentaries fascinating.
This is a great documentary...
And people still wonder why the croppies refused to lie down. I would definitely say there was a lack of knowledge AND interest in the south, sadly. And it still goes on.
Partly because in the north "might is right"..One section of the community was armed to the teeth..the Nationalists had nothing to protect themselves with when the troubles broke out..Hence the thousands that were forced from their homes south of the border . And still people haven't learned anything ..and history could well repeat itself
This is fascinating to me as an outsider how England funds a regime that openly discrim!nates based on Religion. An Aparthe!d Statelet preserving this 1700's ideology. Imagine if Hindus or Buddists were discriminated against in England. The inquiries and rightly so. Yet just across the water it was going on in plain sight, and against fellow Christians. So much for English fair play.
Presbyterians are staunchly anti Roman Catholic the Ulster Scots are not tolorent.
@@RobertK1993 :: Church of Ireland and the Roman Catholics in the Free Republic of Ireland have a very civilized existence, they get along real well. No Presbyterian Persecution of Roman Catholics in the Free-Republic. Sectarian-Madness is all about "HATE and INTOLERANCE" as thought in public schools of "The Six-Counties" paid for by "Hard Working" English Taxpayers.
Please, not England, not the English! The British!
@@johndoe-ss9bz would being in the minority have anything to do with that?..
@@johndoe-ss9bz Yeah! Very tolerant now in a sea of Roman Catholics. They weren't very tolerant of Catholics if they didn't pay a tithe of 10% of their income to the protestant church a few hundred years ago. You need to sit down John.
My blood is boiling
Today if you drive from Dublin to Derry you will cross no border. If you want to travel from Derry to britain you will need your passport. Job done. Great work everyone. Tá ár lá linn.
Oh Dear, Oh Dear, is all I can say about this Apartheid Artificial State back then.
King Billy only wanted the English throne,when it came to religion he was in fact very tolerant.
The Irish fought for James their supposed co-religionist, but didn’t place much worth on him as a person. Séamas a’ caca they called him. James the shit.
There loyal to there king but the king doesn’t care about them
Nonsense. Ulster Unionists are utterly disloyal, as they explicitly refuse to obey the laws passed by their king. A conditional loyalty which is apparent to everyone but themselves. The only thing they are truly loyal to is the the money handed to them by the British taxpayer
Not really I've been trying to work out loyalism, they couldn't be loyal to the king because James 11 was the king was he not ? So it's not the crown they were loyal to it was Protestantism they are loyal to , it's was in their interest to keep the protestents in power. And been the same since it only a matter of time now.
Anyone know the name of the tune @7:30
This is what the British did to the Irish.
Lol your time is over use will march were your told to march.bye bye loyalists 😜🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
Say that out loud in carrickfergus.
@@mrmac4925 like I said, say that out loud in carrickfergus. The British flags, unionists murals, and Street placards saying no to Irish sea border tells me that place is not very Irish republican.
So the 'loyal' settlers rebelled against the true King in the line of succession and followed a Dutchman? Fair play lads. Even ye have no time for the English.
A gay dutchman😂. He was you know. They don't like to be told this.
There have not been many English monarchs of England. King Alfred was the first but then from William I to John they were all French and since George I they have all been German.
People dressed so much better in those days.
Clothes were made of natural materials, not like the crap you see in shops now .
The north of Ireland belongs to the Irish people 🇮🇪
Belongs to the Northern Irish people.
@@kennybrown_ni And the majority is once again Catholic as the contracepting Protestants are outnumbered. N.Ireland will be reclaimed in our life time. Long live the Pope.
@@dougy6237 lmao Look who is stuck in the past. Ireland is no longer a Catholic state 🤣.
The future of Northern Ireland belongs to the people of Northern Ireland whatever their religion and none. Northern Ireland was never part of the modern state of Ireland. So should we choose to join a new Ireland there will be a new flag, national anthem etc.. The demographics of Ireland will change and 1 in 8 Irish people will be protestant. That will be a big change for Ireland. The troubles wont vanish as much as we all hope they would as Parimilitaries dont just switch off and become law abiding citizens. Plus no longer would the negatives of paramilitary activity be limited to the north. Any trouble will affect tourism to all of Ireland as the news will report bomb scare in Ireland not Northern Ireland.
Ireland will inheriate the huge mental health crisis and costs that affects those impacted by the troubles on both sides of the community. Ireland will inheriate the costs for historical investigations. Ireland will have to pay the cost of changing all signage in the North to european road signs. Ireland will have huge change coming if we the people of Northern Ireland vote to join Ireland. Ireland has the money now so Irish tax payers can handle the burden better than the English. Reunification of Ireland wont be cheap and we all will have to make sacrifices. But are the people of Ireland ready for such huge change?
@@kennybrown_ni You have wasted 15 minutes of your life, as I am not reading what you wrote. The first sentences bored me, and was anti-Catholic, and the whole thing was too long. I said what I said and will not argue with fools.
@@dougy6237 🤣
I was age 12 , was at the parade, and climbed the statue on the wall that was eventually blown up.
Lovely view from the top.
King Billy never set foot in Scotland. It was not until 1822 that a British Monarch, King George 1V visited Edinburgh.
What I don’t understand is they are wearing attire that was banned after the Jacobite rebellions by the Dutch king they celebrate. They are more just plain Protestant than British per say is my observation
Londeristanislamabongo will be the new name before long.
It has suited england to keep these folks divided.
Not for the last 100 years.. they have long wanted out ... leave your fantasys in the past
Very informative and rational outlook for them speakingg. Sad to think what lay ahead
One sided
Is it any wonder what came later in the 60s enough was enough
very insightful report .and i who had emigrated for 43 years can see improvements .slainte
Imagine if they both put there dffrnces aside and got on the ball with what Ireland being out through now .oh dear what a mess cld be made
There was too much bigotry and sense of entitlement there still is today except they try to hide it. There is only one solution.
I have a hard time listening to people who tell others that they have to do only as they say, They are the masters and it is their world, nobody else has any rights, I am all for the people who stand up and speak the truth and tell all about the good and bad and those who give a helping hand to the fellow man/woman and child on need. Nobody owns this world, we are all only renting our little plot and when our final days come, we leave it all behind
I see divide and conquer still works well ….
It's technically not protestants now that are preventing re-unification, it's about 21%of the Roman Catholic/the growing other community. The Protestant Unionists are now dependent on nationalists who for now, wish economically at least to remain within the UK. The geographical consideration aside, there are probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions of irish living in GB whose, flag is the tricolour, who are Catholic, nationalist or even republican, but who don't make the connection between this fact and living in the UK, and their heritage etc, and will never come home to live in the Republic of Ireland. Quite obviously there are some cultural nationalists living in NI who equally do not make the same connection between their identity and factually living in the UK They don't see living in the UK in the same cultural way their protestant Unionist neighbours do. It will be this group that politicians within the nationalist camp have to convert, and not simply protestant Unionists, ironic ist it?
Reunification is inevitable.
The island is already reuniting economically
You are full of sh,t united Ireland is coming wether use like it or not 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
I'm in favour of Unification, I was just making an observation that not enough people are at the moment within either community in the North. When that changes, particularly in the Nationalist/roman Catholic community and hopefully it will, we may have some form of unification. The growth of the third, or Other, may be interesting from a national and local elections perspective, but reunification will be a binary question, Yes or No, so I'm not too sure what role that will play there. Perhaps the Other or none nationalist/Unionist factor, might play a role in the development of how that new Ireland might look? Who knows...
@@mickoneill6233 no offence intended 🇮🇪
I was born in London & moved “home” to Dub in 2010. My vote is just one many fueling the current rise if SF.
Irish citizens living in GB are not on the electoral register in RoI so wont influence the border poll.
From an outsider they‘re all christians.
What happened to „thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself“?
Did you not know there are two Gods in the Six Counties...A Protestant and a Catholic One...The story goes that a Jewish visitor to Belfast was asked what faith he belonged to...and when he replied Jewish back came the reply..."Are you a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew."..
The problem is they are not Christian’s they are Protestant and Catholics
A very correct prediction..."It seems to be only a matter of time"
There is no sound here!
Can anyone else hear it?
Yes
I think you need to move forward. We don’t still have bad feelings or issues about the battle of Waterloo or Boar wars .. need to get over 1690
Brother ask the south africans about the boer wars and see if they have any hard feelings...
The British head of state is also head of a church. The protestant only British prime minister appoints protestant only bishops to the British house of lords., so who said "home rule is Rome rule" 🤣🤣🤣
yes the act of settlement is still a shameful part of british history
Richi is not a Prod ...you are living in the past
Great song, brutal lyrics but you can tell JJ is angry about not being there when these guys were assaulting this woman. It's called 5 minutes because the area the crime happened was not great but only 5 minutes away was a wealthy area where this type of crime would never have happened.
Eddie McAteer a gentleman & a scholar but too nice for the gangsters & crooks he was dealing with...No wonder the place went up in smoke...Reminds me of what was going on in South Africa.
@@matthewbarry376 I didn't delete any comment...
Fair comment, Re: "South Africa". And with the knowledge of and financed from Westminster.
PS. All in the past now. Things have changed. The old Stormont Regime is long gone.
Evil still walks
Presby-Scots can go back to their homeland!!!
And marches !
@@johndoe-ss9bz what about Muslims should they go back too? Or Africans? Or Mexicans? Or Asians?
@@ethan1268 No need to go anywhere. All that is asked is equality and parity of esteem for everyone irrespective of their politics or religion
@@ethan1268:: Not those that Assimilate and be Loyal to the Country of their Birthright. 32-county Ireland was divided into two Nations, 26-County Republic of Irelan and the 6-County Sectarian Statelet called "A Protestant State for a Protestant People (a Failed Sectarian Statelet) A British Sectarian Invention.
Only a matter of time now lads only a matter of time.
Keep dreamin.
Agreed, tiocaidh ar la.
@@desmondhull5778 No thanks
As an ulster scots loyalist protestant im absolutely proud of my Dublin Hero Edward Carson 😊
@Stephen 1974 I don’t think the unionists in NI realise how ashamed the Scottish feel when we are linked to unionism.Our biggest fear is that when Ireland is reunified some of these unionist want to relocate to Scotland.We still have enough of these eejits in Scotland but it’s dying out fast.
@@catrionaskivingtonskivingt4819 yea you could be unlucky alright with those guys relocating to Scotland or North of England 🇬🇧
@@catrionaskivingtonskivingt4819 Just to give you the facts catriona ,theres more orangemen in Scotland than there is in Ulster.
@@catrionaskivingtonskivingt4819 Imagine disparaging your own kin to appease the irish of all people. You're the eejit here.
R.I.P To All Irish Martyrs ... TAL 32
If they are martyrs, they need no prayer to Rest In Peace, as Saints have passed from purgatory and are in heaven.
@@dougy6237 just like the apostles then
@@jackietreehorn5561 We do not pray that the apostles rest in peace either, that is correct. Saints in heaven are resting in peace, which as an "ex-Catholic" you would know?
@@dougy6237 I never claimed to know, you seem very sure of yourself...I just am a skeptic of all organized religion....not any problem with anyone who believes but the Catholic church for example where up to their neck in corruption and extortion of the peasant working class... probably one of the richest organizations in the world given their priceless art collection and a state within a state.. just saying the new testament as a historical document has many flaws and discrepancies
@@jackietreehorn5561 I am not sure of "myself", but rather I am sure of the promises of Jesus Christ. He established HIS church, and promised it would teach HIS truth, in HIS name, until HE returned. Every Protestant group also has corruption so your point is moot. God chose imperfect men to write the Bible, and Chrsit who is God chose imperfect men to teach his truth. Judas was chosen by Christ himself. Your unhappiness about the situation is not with me, but with God, so perhaps tell him ...Religious art is created by members of the Church, for devotion and worship. If it was sold, would those who bought it also have to also then sell it, and give the money to the poor, and so on, and so on, under your logic? Do you propose that native American Indians should sell their art and generate money for the poor? And how much money do you give to the poor? The Catholic Church is the single biggest benefactor of the poor in the whole world. And where do you think the Catholic Church gets it money from? From Catholics like me who, in obedience to Jesus Christ, wish to support the spread of the Holy Gospel, wish to build beatiful places of worship, wish to create artistic pieces for worship and devotion. We Catholics do with our money as we please. As for the historical certainty of the NT, do you believe that Socrates, Homer, or Aristotle said and did what we are told, given the disapearance of their original texts, and the scant surviving translations? Of all the writings of antiquity, the NT books stand head and shoulder above all others as the most secure, passing all robust academic scrutiny. Finally, be certain God specifically and intentionally created your soul, Jackie, at the moment of conception. And God the Son, Jesus Christ, had you specifically in his mind and heart when he died on the cross to redeem all.us. God created you and I, and He is greatly interested in our lives and eternal happiness. Peace be wth your spirit.
In the distance the townspeople are all milking cows furiously.
I would never house unemployable drinking men with dependents indefinitely unless I were Stalin.
People just want a fair deal to be given a equal opportunity at housing work ect we are all human beings should treat each other as human beings.Discrimination leads to dissatisfaction and if unchecked conflict ensues.It’s appalling someone cannot get a job because of their religion can only lead to division.Good intentions can be exploited if someone is hard wired to a political objective and it is still a real issue a lot of injustice has been done in Northern Ireland.A lot of good people are trying to compromise and find a way forward that requires a lot of forgiveness from both communities and honesty consideration of the other’s views and political stance.
welp that was hopeful, looking forward to the next ten or so years in this city!
If this had been shown on tv on the mainland
BBC did a lot of similar stuff to this in the 60s .. hence British public opinion in the 60 was mostly with the Catholics...
Only with the IRA started shooting British solders did it turn around
Own goal
@@foraustralia2558 a bit before my time, born 1960.
I did "visit" for about two years during the hunger strikes.
Tx.
Very interesting.
Yes much the same as my Nationalist neighbors. It's just humanity, it's the way people. We're tribal from time immemorial.
A History of Northern Ireland Unionism by Northern Ireland republicans.
The Catholics always extended freedom of religion to the Protestants. When the Repubic was formed, they did not take back their stolen Churches, which are occupied by the Protestants to this day. The Protestant agenda is different- they want the Catholic religion extinguished. You can butter it up and call it what you want, but the 2 agendas are different. One is tolerance, the other is control.
@@dougy6237 as a former Catholic myself you can't deny the oppression the Catholic church imposed upon the normal working class peasant population....a tenth of their wages automatically went to them and had to do chores for them which was compulsory .... And as a state within a state to this day that owns the most priceless art collection in the world they are like a legal mafia.....in my opinion
@@jackietreehorn5561 What "oppression" is there by contributing financially to the operation of the Church? (I am suspicious of the precise details of you claim, anyway). God performs miracles but cash falling out of the sky is not a common miracle. We happily contribute to the spread of the Chruch and the Gospel! As for the Art, it's the churches art. It makes no money unless sold, so the Church does not make money from it. The items are of great religious significance and usage. If you think it should be sold to make money to give to the poor, well you then place it in the hands of others who should then sell it and so on, and so on. What money do you give to the poor??? Infact the Catholic Church is the largest benefactor of the poor in the world, so your point is moot. You simply regurgitate baseless Protestant diatribe. You are making excuses so you do not have to attend to the demands Christ makes of you in your own life.Go to confession, and come back to the holy Catholic Faith. Peace be with your spirit.
@@dougy6237 are you insane? Look what they done to the downtrodden and peasant population in England and Ireland before Henry the 8th came to the throne....the working class population had to pay 1 fifth of their wages to the church and state not to mention extortion of them at mass to pay to get into heaven while the Cardinals sat back in their ivory towers.......talk about a money making scheme that played on people's heart strings akin to the propaganda machine of the Nazis........what about the magelen laundry in Ireland..... effectively a concentration camp and work house for years and all to do with having kids out of wedlock...... absolutely disgusting.....like political ideology religion moves forward too but hopefully for the better
@@jackietreehorn5561 You appear to exibit a combination of misinformation and bigotry which has led you to erroneous conclusions, in this following post which you now appear to have deleted: @dougy6237 are you insane? Look what they done to the downtrodden and peasant population in England and Ireland before Henry the 8th came to the throne....the working class population had to pay 1 fifth of their wages to the church and state not to mention extortion of them at mass to pay to get into heaven while the Cardinals sat back in their ivory towers.......talk about a money making scheme that played on people's heart strings akin to the propaganda machine of the Nazis........what about the magelen laundry in Ireland..... effectively a concentration camp and work house for years and all to do with having kids out of wedlock...... absolutely disgusting.....like political ideology religion moves forward too but hopefully for the better"what they done to the downtrodden and peasant population in England and Ireland before Henry the 8th came to the throne....the working class population had to pay 1 fifth of their wages to the church and state not to mention extortion of them at mass to pay to get into heaven while the Cardinals sat back in their ivory towers.......talk about a money making scheme that played on people's heart string
How do you know that ET was a orange man?
The head on him.
😂😂😂
A man trips over something.. Hey who left this red hand here?
We are still British :-)
Time to go back to Scotland 🏴
@@DrPhil-pw2to my surname is Irish, I'm Irish but also British. What's your surname? Is it even Irish?
How come they can get Irish passports then? Ireland = 32
@@tombarry2523that means nothing, people take advantage of the benefits of either passport. You really should try to understand the unionist people rather than trying to alienate them more.
@@DrPhil-pw2toI'm Irish, my surname is Irish my family converted from Roman Catholicism. I believe that N.I is better off as part of the U.k.
Northern Ireland should not have a grand master. For within their lot is the true King of the isles.
This is not a history of Unionism. It was a recounting of grievances. Very poor description and very biased.
Its good that colonialism is coming to an end and Belfast and Derry two of the largest cities in the partitioned ireland are nationalist/republican
And the cry is still no surrender. Londonderry protestants still under siege
The paradigm case of pure insanity.
Doesn't belong to the Shitesters crooked TDs in Dail Eireann.
33.27 incredibly prescient
So sad that working class people think they are different too there neighbours hopefully we will move on just cause your father thought something u don’t have too took me to work away from Ireland to realise I was a fool we are all the same simple treat everyone u meet as an equal and we can stop this nonsense
In 2022 walking into Nan's Rice Bar in Newry I was asked if I was British. I replied: "Do I have a choice in how I get kneecapped?. I prefer a pistol." 👍 from regional Australia
The Catholics always extended freedom of religion to the Protestants. When the Repubic was formed, they did not take back their stolen Churches, which are occupied by the Protestants to this day. The Protestant agenda is different- they want the Catholic religion extinguished. You can butter it up and call it what you want, but the 2 agendas are different. One is tolerance, the other is control.
@@dougy6237 Thank you for more background info there 👍 One other thing I pointed out when we were all getting on like a house on fire 🍺🍺 was that cricket was on one of the TV's in the pub in Newry. Surely NOT everywhere on the island cricket is popular although Ireland now play Test Cricket. I'm NOT scoring many runs here in Australia so I'll take my bat, pads etc next time to the island of Ireland 🏏🍺🍺
@@J_Teriyaki No worries mate. Just adding some facts. I am careful in judging, as we are removed from the heat of the issue, here in Australia. Interestingly, I think we learnt we had to get on with each other to tame this harsh land
@@J_Teriyaki That's bullshit, and probably only joking anyway
You should have said I don't need a pistol, I got a donk!
Yes Catholic people were treated not well back then but again they refused to accept that it is a member state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Now it’s the complete opposite with regards to jobs, employment etc.. the Catholic population has now all the high paid jobs. Now when Ireland split from the U.K. Northern Ireland remained within the U.K.
Why should they accept being ruled by a foreign government that carved this gerrymandered statelet out of Ireland? No part of Ireland is part of Britain, even the full name of the UK acknowledges that, and Britain never had a right to rule Ireland and never will. And soon it won't.
@@DCFelix67 I’m sorry but I feel no matter who you are, Protestant, Catholic, any other faiths if you take the money from the coffers of the British government at least accept the flag of the country. If you’re not happy being part of the U.K. will then go and live in the Republic benefits are not as easily given.
@@robertmatchett8351Why should Irish people leave their homes in Ireland to let the British take them over? I say if the British government refuses to get out of Ireland, bleed the coffers dry, make it too expensive for them to stay.
@@DCFelix67 to be truthful it’s not about Catholic or Protestant there was a poll a short time ago and 53% still want to remain within the U.K. system. In Northern Ireland the population of Protestant and Catholic are nearly equal. There’s a lot of corruption in every government and the Republic of Ireland is no different indeed look at their history from becoming a republic. America is no different there’s good and bad in every society.
"Yes Catholic people were treated not well back then but again they refused to accept that it is a member state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" Why should they accept it? The Catholics have all the high paid jobs? They just have the amount of jobs they are due. See when you are used to being priviledged, equality feels like you are missing out.
So the act of marching and drum beating and the banners themselves looks like nothing else than roman however the people look more native. Whilst the other side of the fence they look more roman and but act out like a native in style of rebellious dissident but arent the minority but are actually the majority? The fact the lowlanders of Scotland were originally displayed from northern Ireland by the invading roman and then driven back hundreds of years later by the Highlanders of scot who merged with the english creating the British. Driven back as forced labour and were named after their trade. Whilst the remaining in the south were Roman not Irish. The wales means Romans who were the wallace clan who were the highlanders who are the British. Its seems like the northern irish are actually the defendant the true heirs set against foreign invaders from all four sides. They should not have a grand master they should have a King.
Let's never forget that Republic of Ireland is still 2023 a Catholic. State and controls health n education.. They rejected Irish of orange culture whose alegience has always been UK. Where in 6 counties can these ppl live peacefully. They are not Irish Irish. Scots or English but mix heritage
You need to watch the news a bit more. The South is getting more secular all the time. The church in the South is finished.
@@tombarry2523 but links still not broken.. Whatever NI that want ui will find it not what they thought. EU COLLASPING. Counties England gone bankrupt. Germany bankrupt
The strain of Migrancy we support here there n everywhere will collapse Ireland to.
What's wrong with Ireland 26 it can't leave similar but different 6 county ppl alone.
Sure the Irish government is doing a grand job in the South......😂
Grrr!
What are they like ffs
God bless God's children living in all centuries under his blessing
KKK
Dinosaurs.
What a load of self serving tripe….
bob Dylan comes t mind
I'm from the north of Ireland and I don't like any of t his type of stuff, holds the country back and keeps it in the dark ages.
No one else in the world practices it or cares about it, trivial shite that keeps folk divided.
If you don't know where you came from , how can you go forward . Perhaps you don't want to hear the truth. I'm from Ulster , the way that the Catholic people were treated is a discrimination , look what happened. Everyone deserves fair play 😢
@@johncumiskey672 "If you don't know where you came from , how can you go forward"
Because my "Identity" isn't tied to the footsteps of my ancestors, those were their footsteps and these are mine.
"Perhaps you don't want to hear the truth. I'm from Ulster , the way that the Catholic people were treated is a discrimination , look what happened. Everyone deserves fair play "
Of course, same with protestants, blacks, asians, whites etc. We could go on forever, but is the solution to solving the problem to eternally be stuck in the past and keep fighting over something that by and large doesn't exist or at least not to the same degree?
The rest of the world has moved on, this country however is still in the stone age thanks to the collective mentality of the citizens by and large.
Now youv got Dublanistan bong bongo,Letterkenya all paid for by you,eu puppet colony😂😂
GOD BLESS ULSTER
Ulster is 9 counties not 6 counties that were set up on a sectarian head count..
All 9 counties of it...
@@davidlally592 yes
FreeDerry! Up the Ra!