How Do You Deal With Radio Jammers?
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I spin the dial. I am too old and have been through too much in my life to deal with self-righteous idiots.
AGREED!
and there is no shortage of them.
Many years ago, while licensed as a rock-bound Novice, my 10 WPM CQ was answered at a speed I could barely copy. I sent ? QRS 10 and the OP increased speed! I struggled to copy, but finally gave up. Later, I heard the same OP doing the same thing with other Novices. Lesson learned: some OPs apparently enjoy being jerks -- ignore them.
CW troll.
The best answer I've found is to just spin the dial to a new frequency
That’s the answer
Its a huge part of the reason digital modes are taking over imo.
There is nothing stopping someone from putting in a bogus call sign.
@@ItsEverythingElse I agree that's true, but it's more work to even figure out how to do it. I know a lot of people who don't take radios or the FCC seriously, none of them bothered to pay for any license or take any tests.... They definitely won't be spending $100-$300 for a digital radio and figuring out how to program it to interfere with (or even do) anything 😂
I think the complexity, at least for DMR, the one these types of people would WANT for the encryption support, rules out at least 95% of the potential bad actors from ever getting to the point where they could do anything bad with a digital radio. Same issue with cost applies to d-star and fusion radios.
If someone wants to mess with you, they'll buy a baofeng and hold down the ptt (possibly on a random channel) or maybe if they're feeling extra nefarious, they'll buy a VHF jammer from AliExpress. It'll be the bottom tier of effort, but it still might work and not even digital radios can surpass it if you can't change to another band
Don't start no QRM and there won't be no QRM 🤣
I've seen digital modes get spammed with nonsense and worse. I've never seen it directed at another operator specifically though I'm sure it happens. Just weirdos looking to make trouble.
@@tinwhiskerSC that's probably a functioning alcoholic or drug addict who used to have their life together enough to pass the test, and nowadays they're just getting drunk or high and going on the radios lol. Trust me, I know some pretty smart people that could use a Walmart walkie talkie, but they don't know anything about offsets or squelch tones that a repeater uses. Nor do they know where to find that info, nor would they spend the time to google it and figure it out. I think this has got to be a very small percentage of people, not a widespread thing. But maybe where you live it's different
Even after forty odd years I am still a terrible ham operator, never had a problem. Every ham I have worked has been polite and helpful. What a wonderful community.
Heck yeah! ALL Seasoned HAM's rude to ALL NEW hams. Well let's be honest. Not all but a lot. Y'all, we, us, me, you.... Let's just be polite and try to help. My first time on 40 meters I was told (By some drunk A-hole) that my signal sounded Sh%tty! Come on guys. Use your teacher words and when you're drunk, get back on the Black Pearl and sail away back to Margaritaville!
When I talk to new hams they are grateful that I do not berate them, be little them or just be rude to them. And when we hear others being rude let's all step up and call them out.
73
Last week on our club net , everytime the NCS would call a members name and callsign, someone else would key up just as the member checked into the net causing terrible interference. This started from #20 on the roster and continued to the end of the net. A group of us switched to a ARES Simplex frequency and discussed what to do for next week's net. 5 club members were going to certain parts of the city to triangulate the interfering party's signal and turn him into the FCC. As it turned out when my wife was doing NCS, the problem station wasn't causing any issues and the net went smoothly. 📡
As the great Ron White so famously said "Ya can't fix Stupid"
That's why I don't have any friction/drag set on my VFO knobs.
Just let them spin freely, up or down away from whatever bilge is proving annoying.
The faster the better!
Got my license 9 years ago. After a few months quit. Some people were just rude. Just started back up a month ago. One of the first few days I hear 2 guys bashing a guy because they didn't like the way he talked, totally bashed the guy for a radio check. Said that if he didn't know his radio was working before he asked for a radio check he was a moron. These are the very guys and reason I quit listening the first time. Had my license for 9 years and haven't spoke into the mike 9 times in total because of guys like them. Turned the radio off and walked away. About to make an exit for the last time.
We have that same problem on my area's linked repeater system. There is at least one operator who always calls out new guys for errors, using a tone of voice that makes me turn off the radio as soon as I hear him. He is a 2M/70CM bully.
@RetiredFE A few years ago, I adopted a policy to never say something over the radio 📻 (or in an email) that I wouldn't say to them face-to-face. That guideline has worked fairly well. A few "sad hams" haven't figured that out yet.
73 😊
I've said it many times in the past and will say it again. There are way too many horses' asses in this hobby for my liking.
Survey complete. Thank you for attempting to address these issues!
You bet!
Ya spin the dial.
Good idea Josh! Looking forward to seeing future videos on this. 👍🏽
If there's an unlicensed operator on a repeater, I'll tell them to clear the frequency because it can result in a fine.
For the past year and some change, there has been a qrm'r on a local repeater. Intentionally causing interference, using obscene language and such. I filed a complaint with the FCC several months ago and only got one email from them saying, it's being looked into. Haven't heard anything from them since. I've been keeping a log when the interference happens, if the FCC will get back to me.
When I'm on FT8, I'm looking for DX contacts. I put CQ DX in WSJT-X, but there's a lot of poor operators that are just county hunting and think it's ok to work someone who's looking for dx contacts. I have gotten so tired of it, I work FT8 manually.
As far as SSB goes, there's a few that like to run amplifiers and splatter as much as 5 KHz above and below where they're at. Seems like very few stations these days has never read the ARRL Operating Manual. Regardless of what people think about the ARRL these days, there's a basic etiquette section that everyone should read.
Just my two cents.
W4ISB
Mike in Tennessee
Im in San Diego and everyone has been super nice. I haven't heard anyone being an asshole yet, the guys down in Borrego are super nice too. Everyone has been helpful, always willing to talk and give feedback.
If you have their call sign, you have their address just sign them up for every contest. You can find online.😂😂😂
Back before there was an online, a friend would take the "blow in" subscription cards from magazines and sign up anyone unliked or who annoyed him. I can't imagine what the local clergy thought about those Playboy (or for some variety, Playgirl!) magazines arriving unannounced ;)
Hi Josh, great subject, I’ll be interested in the results and methods to remind people to treat everyone with respect.
Jerks on the Air - sounds like a QRZ Forums related program 🤣
Make it a contest and those offenders will be overwhelmed by the pileups when they get on the air ;)
Last night we had a jerk om 20m, someone from Uruguay was calling DX North America and worked callsign number per number.
Like in most DX contacts, I don't care what signal report I get as long as he gets my call correct.
Someone was splattering over him complaining 59 59 59 59 etc.
Guess best thing to do is just to ignore them..
Do you know what is happening within the ARRL? I just received my membership renewal, which showed over a 50% percent increase if you add in the now separate print version of QST.
I'm anxious, I'm queer and sound audibly feminine and worry about how welcome I'll feel and how I'll be treated when I'm licensed
Just tell them your name is Josephine or Carol or whatever, let them figure it out later! Good luck to you, there isn't any room on the bands for haters.
Well, if it means anything to you, it's not CB.
I'm not a ham yet but I was on my friends radio with him resent using his callsign to get a feel for it and some guy was insulted me for asking a simple question... My friend was like ignore that jerk so I did.. Then changed the frequency and another jackass came on... I gave my friend back the mic and said... You know what? I'll stick to gmrs.. Ppl iv talked to on gmrs have been amazing so I won't be taking the test... I studied and can pass the test but nah no thank you
Is that a USA thing? I don't get any of this in the UK and Europe. I've occasionally heard someone transmitting a carrier to block someone they consider boring on a net, but that's about it. I'm obviously missing out on some aspect of American personality! All the Americans I hear in the UK are generally polite and ham as they should.
I really think this issue is being blown out of proportion. I’ve heard jammers on VHF repeaters from time to time and once in a while a “bad actor” will cause intentional interference on the HF bands, but I don’t think of it as more than a minor annoyance. . . . . There is this so called “sad ham” thing that’s a phenomenon unto itself. There are people you can not be nice enough to. They demand the utmost in respect and politeness from you but don’t return it.
I can't believe that the FCC doesn't catch the bonehead that several times per hour transmits "F... YOU!" at the top of his voice on the Win Systems repeater network on the 70cm band. It's been going on for years and they haven't stopped it yet.
It’s a recording an played all over the place from my experience. I’ve heard the same recording in different states on non-WINS repeaters.
filled it out.. and I stay away from the win system hahaha
I think we need to have a light up 17m pota weekend.
A holes everywhere, and they are 6' 6" 250 behind the mic. 😂
haha the radio version of Internet Muscles.
Florence South Carolina??
I don't use voice modes anymore because I just can't listen to people complain about audio settings. Always seems to be somebody over 65.
See that big dial? You spin it
Does this need to be a current circumstance?
Also, can we describe an incident we were involved with even if it didn’t happen to us?
My negative radio experience didn't happen on the air, but rather when asking how-to questions of experienced hams. I am self-taught with no ready elmer, so I sometimes pop into a forum to pose a question. When I asked for tips on tuning my Wolf River Coils antenna for POTA, several people said variations of this: "POTA is ruining radio. Activators hog too many frequencies. I can't even get onto 20M these days because of all of this POTA business. POTA is all wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am and not a proper QSO. All your wires tossed into trees are messing up the state parks." I know it's Reddit, so I should expect a lot of grumps and naysayers, but come on, man, why are you making my hobby not fun?
Reddit and the other three letter forums are known for being like that. It is why I got out of the hobby for TEN years. Find where POTA folks hang out at and talk to them there. (They are kind of still on slack but I hear most of the action has moved to discord).
POTA folks are actually very cool and laid back. I always get good vibes when I contact an activator.
Ugh, forums…
so I should expect a lot of grumps and naysayers, but come on, man, why are you making my hobby not fun? Been in this hobby for decades. There are a lot of horse's asses in this hobby.
Id recommend avoiding 3.838 in the evenings then.
I just ignore them or QSY.
I have only ONE HAM club within 50 miles near me, and I was ready to join and LEARN!
Then, after reading more about them on their website, I discovered that they have a strict dress code at meetings, require a resume (yes, I'm serious), background check... etc.
This is, as it turns out, is NOT a place to "learn" the hobbie and meet new radio operators... it's a freak'n CULT.
Pass.
HARD PASS.
They could be connected to the DHS RACES system. How did you find out you need all of that? Have you actually spoken to someone that is a member?
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It was right on their website.
Didn't sound very warm and welcoming to me.
I've seen enough sadhams online - I sure don't want to join their cult, much less hang out with them.
I'm 62YO and have no tolerance for that type of arrogant BS.
Was the dress code shirt and shoes required? They may have had someone come to a meeting bare chested and bare feet.
@@N2YTA
"Was the dress code shirt and shoes required?"
AND a Tie ~
Yes, I'm serious as a Heart attack... it seriously sounded like a cult.
...a cult.
A FREAK'N *CULT*.
confirmed
... I'm just not that kind of personality... it was confirmed (to me, at least) - in real time - what a "sadHAM" truly is.
~Edited~
I live in central Florida, so... yeah...
Sandals/Flipflops and casual attire, are pretty much what almost everyone down here calls "formal attire".
(except for Weddings, Funerals, School Graduations, etc.)
I had to wear a three piece monkey suit five days a week for many years... I'm not doing it again until they put me in the box.
No, seriously, the goggles were a very poor choice. I feel bad for you.
Says you 🤣
4 Eyes ..lolll
Bro those glasses gotta go! Lol.. You look like you should be saying "Ghostbustas, whaddya want?"
Paul McCartney had a song once called "Live and let live", and it's good advice for things like this.
No, we have ALL SAD Hams here in Eastern Tennessee/Virginia... They don't like you on there frequencies. They have been here all there life and nowhere else. So they own the frequencies.
Tell 'em that THEY own SH!T
HOLA HOLA HOOOOLA… 😂
RDF then IDF.
I have experienced a lot of bad hams. I've had people run CW over my when I tried talking on a repeater, I've had hams yell at me for my accent (I'm an American in ZL land), and I've had people intentionally talk over me when I try to talk. That's not to mention the absolute negativity on all ham related social media. In the end, I've honestly mostly given up. I haven't turned on my radio in over a year (I looked it up my last contact was 07-Feb-23). The hobby overall is very negative with the exception of YT (and even here can be extremely negative) to the point it's deteriorating my mental health participating, so I've mostly given up.
I haven't yet brought myself to selling my radios, but I'm not far off I think. It's sadly just part of society these days, where everyone for whatever reason, seems to feel the need to step on everyone else and be negative. There are a lot of extremely vocal "Sad Hams" or Bad Hams out there. Just look at the people involved in the Maritime whatever net in the US. There has been a lot of discussions recently on them and their negativity towards others.
You’re still following ham radio social media platforms so I would suggest you not give up. The negativity on social media is certainly a thing, but I really think those people aren’t really hams, they’re people with other issues. . . On the rare occasions that I come across someone with a negative attitude, I spin the VFO knob.
MEEEEEEE?
Does this include (ham radio tube) Mike on a mailbag Monday encouraging his Pota audience not to move or respect when a net comes on?
I have mixed feelings on this. Just because a net has been going since 1968 and posted a frequency and time on their website does not give them priority access to that frequency at that time slot. As an activator, I'll happily QSY if the net guy kindly asks, but when the net guy starts off by saying, "We've been running a net on this frequency since before you were born!" well, in that case I am staying put.
@@kumasu I was born in 1966 so I have priority over that 1968 net. 🤣
@@kumasu I've never heard a net say that. Maybe if someone refused to move? But for respect for the net, I would move anytime. Just think, there may be some senior folks there that have a wire tuned for that frequency. Or have the transceiver vfo locked, and don't remember how to turn it. Na, what Mike said was careless and I lost what very little respect I ever had for him.
Best way to avoid sad hams is to talk out of band 😊
I want to take the test online next thing I knew I was doing circles in my my work room to make sure nobody was there three to five times I had to hold the camera back on me in front of me with the phone a foot and a half away when I was taking a test on it which I could barely read it I wonder why ya no I'm not worrying about ham license no more take a they screwed himself over I'm not doing it again
I read about the gyrations needed to do the online test and decided to drive 70 miles and take it in person. After passing, quite a nice drive home.
@@thomashardy9994I would most definitely be willing to drive an hour +/- each way to take the test in person.
Some guy on 28.425 mhz touched my no no square.
I think I know who you're talking about.
CQ CQ This is Kilo Charlie Four Tango Victor Zulu......
@@jesselannigan2300 that's the guy! As soon as I hear his characteristic accent, I spin the big knob.
@@N2YTA But don't you want to hear him babbling about squirrels and racoons?
I have a friend that wasn't aware of said person and responded to his beacon. Immediately he was taken for a ride on the idiot train. It got so bad I piped in and informed my friend that he was talking to a nefarious lid. Then the beacon became unrailed on me. Later on I talked with my friend in person about his experience. He thanked me for stepping in because was unaware of "The Beacon of 10 meters".
@@jesselannigan2300 it was entertaining at first, but got old quickly.
Nice glasses nerd… jk 😂
Kerchunk.
7200 lol
I tune 7.200 when I just want to laugh and shake my head. I NEVER transmit on 7.200....just listen to the train wreck.
@@parajerry Ha! Your right a train wreck or perhaps a Dumpster Fire.