How to Build a Pro-level Bass Pedalboard
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- Today, I'm building a bass pedalboard for my good friend Robert Williams! Since starting the channel, I've received a lot of questions in regards to bass pedalboards, and how they differ from guitar pedalboards. In today's episode, I'm showing you how I built this pro-level bass rig, and defining the key differences between bass and guitar pedalboards.
TABLE OF CONTENTS
00:00 Introduction
01:08 The Holy Trinity of Tone
02:26 Pedalboard Layout
03:26 Power Cabling
04:25 Signal Cabling
05:13 Buffering Your Bass Pedalboard
09:00 Pedalboard Reveal
10:26 Signal Path
11:52 Pedalboard Demo
14:31 Conclusion
DIY Patch Cable Video:
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DIY Buffer Interface VIdeo:
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#BassPedalboard #PedalboardBuild #RigDoctor
First step, apply for a loan.
😅😅😅😅fckn A!!! Lol
Lol that's like a 10k board. Sweetwater employee discounts seem to be good
@@gonzalosanchez6387I think so, those maybe are customer return, if is that correct, he can have a nice discount...
Great to see bass pedal build! more of bass contents please if there is any other😁
Thanks for watching! Will do!
Agree. More Bass rig's - too ( play both so I'm happy either way ) . . . I just wanna Keep on Learning !!!
More bass rigs!!!!!
Check out Janek Gwizdala does a lot of videos about the different rigs he builds and pedals he put on his pedalboard. Great bassist as well
This is an excellent video about how to build pedal boards for people who already know how to build pedal boards.
I feel like you made this one just for me... Can't wait to watch it!
Yes! Been a long time coming!!!
Same
I've been playing bass for about 6 years, therefore I have been waiting for this video for about 6 years.
hahahaha! Hope it helps!
I'm doing a complete rebuild of my pedal board right now. This has made me completely re think and also just get the basics right. Thanks for such a clear and concise video format and the description is gold dust. ❤️
Glad I could help!
Get a Sansamp and a clip on tuner for the headstock. Throw them in your gig bag and never, ever buy another piece of bass gear again
So glad I saw this. I just bought a Bass, and I'm currently gathering pedals, for my (5) Pedal Bass Rig.
Have fun!
Excellent video, Mason!! Thanks for sharing a bass-specific build with us!!
Thanks for your patience as we took a while to get this out! Thank you for watching!
Builds a pedalboard with 9 pedals and only uses the DI Preamp pedal for the Demo 😂. Solid work 🙄
I was waiting THAT precise video since the beginning ...... thank you
Amazing! Thank you for hanging in there! Thank you for watching!
@@VertexEffectsInc I have a Mesa Boogie Input output buffer (dual wire), I play bass, considering your vidéo, I wonder if its ok or I should consider changing it ?
Awesome. More bass pedal boards plz
🙏🙏🙏 will do
Board looked cool. Lotta pedals I'd love to try. But the demo he basically used the same 2 tones the whole time.
Like build whatever pedal board you want, but that is a lot of board for not doing a lot.
Just from a gigging perspective, it's a lot of extra points of failure for little/no reason.
See this is why I just bought a quad cortex off of reverb. 1500 us dollars and I have infinite possibilities. No more paying 400+ for a single pedal when they are literally captured and downloadable for free.
Hey Dr., great vid!!! I love a good clean wired board. U have it mastered. U think of all needs, space, function & control. Thanks! U ROCK!!! 😎
Thanks for this Rig Doctor!!!
My pleasure! Thank you for watching!
Nice! More bass content!
Yes! Tell your Bass friends to come watch it!
We are here 😜
I’m building a very similar rig
Thx for the idea w the gc stomp for midi saves me space
thanks, that buffer thing i have to take a closer look. never heard of it before.
Yes! Buffers are critical!
Yes! I really liked that episode! I am a bassplayer! I am going to build a new pedalboard very soon with a gigrig g3. I have some mogami cable left, so I am going to take the sp400..... they are less less expensive than the solderless systems......
Great! And more reliable!
Thanks a lot for great videos helping me building my own upright bass pedal board (whith piezo pickup). I found a document from Peterson web site, which says the inpute impendance of their StroboStomp HD are 5M ohms on BUFFERED and MONITOR modes.
It’s finally happening!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yes!!!!
Wowwww. The board looks great, congratulations. On the other hand as a producer I still prefer the direct sound. Di>1073>1176 done.
That's great...what do you do on a gig?
🤫😝
Hello,
I am a newbie to the world of midi and programing switchers. I have recently purchased a ES-8 and have some questions concernig it.
1. Do you need a midi thru box to assist the Es-8 in programing multiple patches/algorithms with pedals like H9 max?
2. When you bank up, does the 1-8 switches on the Es-8 become unused and allow you to program a new patch? I.E.@ Bank 1 switch 2 H9 chorus and Bank 2 switch 2 H9 delay.
3. To program and name patches, can you leave the Es-8 all hooked up when you use computer to program it?
After watching videos and reading about switchers, I think my brain if fried....lol.
Thanks in advance....Gary
After 3 years of playing bass, I barely started learning about bass gear and I have no idea what half of the things he said meant 😂
Feel free to ask questions!
Cool video, but I'm surprised you didn't touch on the subject of splitting your signal. Us bass players benefit a lot from signal splitting, because we can use it to blend in our cleans with whatever effect we have on. I found that the blend of a mic'd cab with a DI out straight into the board sounds amazing
That's what the HXStomp is for. I split the signal there.
It was less about the pedal for bass and more about how to go about building the rig.
These videos are great and interesting.
So glad you dig them!
Love the rig! You should definitely do a video diving into the usb connection box you made for this. I'd love to see how you put that housing together.
Super easy, just a 1:1 connector using a short USB cable.
Should I add a buffer (or one at each end?) to my bass pedalboard? Currently, chain of effects has bass going into: Boss TU-3s to Rolls Tiny Two-Way Crossover splitting signal at 150 Hz; low output going to MXR Bass Compressor and into Ampeg B2-RE head, high output going to MXR Bass Compressor to Ibanez TS9 to MXR Six-band EQ to MXR Bass Preamp and into Hartke LH500 head. When I add a wah, my Morley Power Wah Boost goes between compressor and TS9. I have two active basses and one passive.
Depends the output impedance and input impedance of your amp and rig. You want to hit around 1M input and 100 ohm output impedance.
@@VertexEffectsInc What is needed to measure this?
I was hoping for more tips for making a bass rig less about all the expensive pro audio connectors kinda ate up a lot of time. Id be interested in seeing tips for using pedals to effect bass not drastically
They make a living shilling that bullshit
YES HE RESPONDS! THANKS FOR THE REQUEST REPONSE!
Thanks for watching!
I was drooling for the entire video
Thanks for watching Sam!
I’m so curious to know differences between building bass rig and guitar rig. I’m a bass and guitar player with near 100 pedals and change my pedalboard almost 3 times a month (yes with good power supplies, buffer in and out😉) and with a dry/wet stereo reverb/wet stereo chorus-delay. So a 5 inputs rig for sounding best imho. Can’t wait for another excellent videos of the Rig Doctor😄
We have some cool venn diagrams to talk about these differences.
Beautiful!!!!!!
Thank you for watching!
Hi Mason, I'm building my first bass pedalboard exclusively for home use and recording. I really appreciate your videos, I've learned a ton, thank you! I have an Aguilar Tone Hammer and 7 other pedals - I was planning to put the TH first in the chain and use the quarter inch "out" jack to go into the next pedal on the board which is a Darkglass Hyperluminal compressor. Is this the best way to go about it? I know the Tonehammer D.I. xlr out is good for giving a feed to a mixing board but I'm not sure how it figures in a pedalboard situation and if the xlr can/should be used instead of the quarter inch output? My basses are a passive Jazz bass and an active Musicman bass.
And can you recommend a volume pedal that works well with both active and passive basses? Thanks again!
Sharon, it's a tricky thing...some of these new preamps have FX loops for you to put some effects pre/post the preamp. In this case, I would run all the effects into the Tone Hammer and use the DI out of this if you are planning on running into the board without an amp. Alternatively you could run the DI out with your dry FX and then use the other output to feed your WET pedals and then feed that in parallel to your mixer or some sort of other cab sim with a DI and mix wet/dry in parallel.
@@VertexEffectsInc Fantastic, thanks so much Mason for this super helpful info!
If we need a buffer that's between 2-5 Meg, do we need 2 of those? Say the Lehle Sunday Driver, we need one at the beginning and one at the end? Or can we do with just 1 at the beginning and a regular buffer like a Bonafide at the end?
Ok so is it preferable to run a dedicated bass input buffer or is the dual functionality and space saving of the stobostomp more than enough reason to just run that for bass?
I prefer dedicated buffers, but either can get you there.
Hello, the XLR from the noble goes to the FOH, but if I need to go to a IEM also how do I do it from the end of the pedalboard?
I've notice a real coloring of my tone when the HX Stomp powers on. As in if it's on it's coloring the tone. Any tips for getting the best bypassed tone? Seems like if it's on it's doing something. Figured there has to be a way to have just your amp tone when not using an effect in the stomp.
Eh Mason! I was wondering if you could help a bassy boy out! So I currently run an Active Pre-amp, Passive pick-up bass.
I currently use the HX stomps ability to reduce the output gain in the FX loop to run some of the more sensitive pedals (fuzz + Envelope). This currently works well enough. I was wondering if you had any more refined methods to creating a line in the signal chain to place more sensitive pedals.
Active Bass >Cali76 Compressor > OC2 > HXSTOMP > HX Effects Send (-7db) > Tone Hammer Input (amp completely flat no active cut) > Tone Hammer Effects Send > Wooly Mammoth(Fuzz) > Matryoshka(Fuzz/Synth) > Spatial Delivery (Envelope) > HX Effects Return (+6db) > HX OUT > Tone Hammer Effects Return.
I currently have not had any problems with it at home. This is a covid rig, so I am trying to make it gig proof when real life comes around!
Some guys will use a really transparent boost up front to boost up the passive pickups so they're unity with their rig.
Hey Vertex guys, wonder if you can help me getting stuck on something. I built a very similar board based on this video (same vertex board) but the Cioks power supply, HX Stomp and Effectrode LA-1A limiting amp. But the Noble has an XLR and line out. The XLR is not affected by the volume level, but the line out is. Every interface I look at has XLR’s with mic preamps. I don’t want to use the the mic preamps because I want to use the Noble as my preamp, but not stack them. The line out is an option for recording and using a line level on interfaces that bypass the preamp (SSL12/Volt4) but then I am concerned about volume level on the Noble being active for recording. Any ideas on this?
Great video! I want to ask, in this video how do you power the hx stomp? Is there any psu that can power the hx stomp without the current doubler cable? Thanks in advance
Current Doubler cable - we have a diy option on our video on making you’re own power cables like this
Very proud for my Vertex Travel Lite rig. Running into a Peterson Tuner, then to Effectrode Leveling Amplifier (tube compressor) then to the Boss ES-5, an HX Stomp and MXR Bass Chorus Deluxe into the the ES-5 effect loop. Then from the ES-5 output to the BBE Sonic Maximizer pedal, then to the Sansamp. Well, my question is.. Next week my Noble arrives (just heard from Jack). I was gonna swap my Noble for the Sansamp, and run the Noble last. Should I instead run it into an effect loop of either the ES-5 or stomp? If I do how would I use the balanced output XLR to the board? Playing at church by the way, and running a parallel output to my GSS Baby Sumo Amp through a Phil Jones 4x7. Thoughts?
Would send pics if I could on here..Think would be proud..also soldered the midi from Stomp to ES-5 and square plugs per Mason’s videos.
If you want effects processing after the Nobles, you can run it in the Loop of the HX, otherwise just use it dead last. If you want to use the XLR output as the DI out, then it always has to be last.
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks guys, wish my Noble had the effects loop like this one does. Not sure if earlier models all had the effects loop or if this is a customization.
i ordered the noble no fx loop on mine and no option on the website to order with one@@madhatter7862
Hi Mason, great video. Just a simple question: in case of playing a 9V battery active preamp bass (like mine Yamaha RBX765) with passive pickups, do I still have to need an input buffer before the first pedal in the chain, a simple true bypass tuner? Or then I will have just to pay attention to the output buffer, and effects loop input and output buffers? Thanks.
The preamp is the input buffer.
@@VertexEffectsInc thank you so much!
EBS Stanley clarke preamp has an 10 Mohm input impedance. Do I need to put more isolate input buffer?
10M is not uncommon for bass amps. This might be just fine as an input buffer, you'd still need an output buffer however if you were running effects after this preamp.
i have a boss tuner TU-2 at the beginning of my pedal chain, im wondering if i need an input buffer or maybe i should use my SansAmp bass driver and avoid any type of input buffering. Personally is would prefer a solution in which i dont necessary put the SansAmp at the beginning because i need something at the end like it for my personal sound. So what do you suggest?
Depends on whether it matches your amp's input impedance. Also the line driving capabilities of the TU-2 is poor at 1K ohms output Z. I would definitely make sure you have another pedal on or other buffer soon after it.
@@VertexEffectsInc really glad you answered quickly. I will definitively insert somet efficient buffering pedal after my boss tuner. Your precision and ability to go deeper into detsils Is superlative. Im not professional, i dont have deep knowledge of pedal-boards but im starting to take in consideration more aspect than before.
@@VertexEffectsInc Would this apply to the Daddario PW-CT-20 Chromatic Pedal Tuner? And how would I fix this?
Great info & video as always! What I don’t understand here though is you say to match the input impedance of the amp with the input buffer. The noble is 10 megs & the Peterson tuner is 2.2 megs - why does that work based on the matching the amps input logic?
I use a noble and want to incorporate buffers into my rig. All my traditional bass amps (not the noble) have a 1 meg input impedance. With the noble being 10 meg I’m wondering which input buffer to go with for running both an amp behind me & the noble simultaneously. I would prob go with the tc bonafide 1meg, the Peterson 2.2 meg, or the lehle Sunday driver (which I would not be sure if I should set to 1meg or higher for the noble for my setup). Thanks!!!
Ideally, you should match the amp and input buffer as close as possible if you want the closest representation to what the bass sounds like into the amp alone, the way it's set up here, there is going to be some loading versus the bass into the amp, however, there's a threshold when you get up higher - usually about 5M it's very difficult to hear (or feel) a difference. So there will be some offset here, not perfect, but the player also uses active basses so that also impacts the overall impedance as well based on that buffer.
You can check out the DIY buffers we have kits and tutorials for and you can set the input impedance based on what value resistor you put in the R1 slot. You can even put it on a toggle switch to have a few input impedance options!
Vertex Effects thanks for the response! I got it now. The question that remains is, if I’m using a passive bass -> noble (10meg) AND running a regular bass amp (1meg) out of the noble’s 1/4” output, should I get an input buffer that’s 2.2meg + or 1meg?
really awesome build...however the demo sounded more lackluster then what my buddy gets through his peterson tuner into a compressor running right into his garage sale hartke 3500 he got for $80. i was expecting alot more in the demo. im sure someone else could make use of all of that in a real creative way, but the demo was lacking in showing that.
Quick questions - say I've got an input buffer in the beginning of my signal chain(Peterson or Lehle) and the last pedal in my chain that's driving my power amp(a low/high pass filter which I'm boosting the gain with to drive my power amp) has an input impedance of 1M ohms and the output impedance of 100ohms - should I be good to go?
Should be fine as long as it's always on.
Great. Just one question: Is it good for guitar tone if my input buffer is 2 or 5 Megs? I'm using my pedalboards for bass AND for guitar. And last question: how measre the impedance of an input or an output of a pedal? Thanks for all from France!!!
You could put a switch to create a variable input impedance or put it on a pot. Some amps do this like certain model Two-Rocks
Is the DC power from the Noble DI good to use? It doesn't seem to be isolated from their website? Did you use it's over out or no?
It's not isolated so there will be lots of circumstances where it won't work without adding noise.
@@VertexEffectsInc Was the toroidal transformer from the Noble DI troublesome for noise being so close to the other pedals??
should i use a noise gate and if i have to, where should i put it on the pedalboard?
Watch our advanced signal paths video...all is told.
The worst bass tone ever heard. Not speaking about the way he played. Next time I suggest you hire a bassist to play the demo.
Hey Mason, do you have any info on how to build the power sum unit you built for this pedalboard? Alternatively, can you custom build these for clients to purchase?
I don't...we've been advised to stay away from AC power DIY tutorials since it can be fatal if done improperly. We don't build them for purchase.
I place my Peterson tuner at the end of my chain as to trouble check wire connections. If I see the signal is reaching the tuner (the tuning is functional) then I know that the signal goes to the end of the chain of pedals. This video is making me wonder if I should put the tuner at the beginning of the chain of pedals!!!! What is your advice ?
Why there? If the signal is bad you'd probably notice it without checking the tuner status? The tuner is more accurate the closer it is to the instrument.
Keep the bass-centric stuff coming,Doc.
Will do!!!
Nice video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Hey mason, if you were trying to get a 65 DRRI to sound more “Mayer” would you prefer the G12-65 or WGS ET65? And why?
G1265 is more like what he'd use - what he actually uses. The ET65 is good too, I usually only use them if I need a 4 ohm speaker since Celestion doesn't make a G1265 in 4 ohm package.
Do you think the ET65 has a better bass response for the DRRI?
@@dylanlee4776 I'm not sure I'd agree that the Deluxe Reverb has a bass response issue. It's a small combo, I think the issue is getting rid of bass. I wouldn't want a speaker that exaggerates it more.
How do you rate the Ernie Ball flat ribbon cables in terms of sound quality? I bought a multi pack of them, and flat cable and smaller heads make them really easy to work with.
Not what I'd use, but better than solderless.
How did you connect the HX Stomp to the 3A? On the Zuma or even from the small box of the noble?
HX Stomp only draws about 1A, I made a current doubler.
Very informative. What if ya wanted to add reverb? Would that go before or after the preamp/di?
If you have an FX Loop like this Nobel amp did, I'd put it in there.
At 10:53, you mention that the Eventide pedal feeds the Noble and the stomp is in the fx loop. The currently shipping Noble Preamps' do not have an FX loop. I'm guessing this was a slip and the real signal chain is the Eventide feeding the HX Stomp, and the Stomp is feeding the Noble. The Noble has to be last since since the board is using it as a DI. I have a Noble and a Helix Floor. I typically setup the Noble on an FX loop to insert after effects and before a cab sim. In that configuration, I'm sending the signal to FOH from the Helix.
I guess I'm really curious about the placement of the Noble after the Helix vs being in an FX loop. Any comments about that?
Not sure if this was custom modded or what...I got the effect like this.
@@VertexEffectsInc In looking at the video, it looks like there is one input to the Noble on the right and you are using both the XLR and 1/4" out of the Noble on the left. So I'm trying to understand how the signal from the 1/4" output that heads to the Helix Stomp and compressor makes it way back to the Helix to head out the XLR output. Or does the board expect two outputs - one after the Noble and one after the Stomp?
I'm building this peddleboard, I have brought all parts except the pedalboard(need to check the size i need), i can get hold of the bmc at the moment in the uk but i'm using a h90 instead of the h9 just waiting on the nobble to arrive.
How did you power the hx stomp?
your using two outputs for the hx stomp but mine says it needs 3 amps input @VertexEffectsInc
I want that mustang more than anything else in the rig put together.
Hahahahaha!
Mason, do you know if the Rockboard power pit is switch mode or linear?
I don't know. I gave a few tips on how to ID it in one of our last videos.
I run a board for guitar and bass, although maybe not ideal set up it works for most situations. I run the Strymon Iridium at the end of the chain and into a PA, would using the Peterson Strobostomp as the input buffer and Strymon Iridium as the output buffer work? I am looking at using either the Strobostomp or Mesa Stowaway as the input buffer but using the Peterson will save me an isolated power slot. Thanks for your input doc!
Should be OK.
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks so much, appreciate you!
Very nice board. I bought a Peterson strobeostomp and and an ES5. If I run the strobostomp to the tuner in, I won’t get the benefit of the buffer right? Also running a sansamp, keeley compressor and some analog effects.
Yes, you'd get the input buffer from the Tuner, you'd perhaps want an output buffer too depending on what you're running into.
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks. Running a Peterson tuner into ES-5, also Keeley Bassist compressor, MXR Bass Deluxe Chrorus, Sansamp Bass Driver, and Source Audio Bass Envelope Filter. Have a MXR sub octave bass but think I will trade for a different octave or the Source Audio C4.
@@VertexEffectsInc So just got my Vertex travel plus and DC-7 :) Also have the Mogami 2319 and square plugs. About to pre order my Noble. Do you think the Noble DI is sufficient or should I run the Noble line out into the DISO + line isolater by Pinstripe then DI from there? Pinstripe is claiming a higher and cleaner output than what a Radial JDI can output, which has the same transformer as the Noble? What are your thoughts on this? Is the DISO an unnecessary step?
@@madhatter7862 I don't think you need a DI if you're going out of the Nobles, it's already balanced and low impedance.
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks! I am going to run two analog pedals and the Stomp from the Peterson Strobostomp and the compressor into the Noble. The Peterson will be input buffer.
Just ordered the HX stomp and have an ES-5 for MIDI and have the Peterson with two analog pedals. Wondering if the Noble would be needed since the Stomp has cab sims. Would you guys still go through the hassle of adding the Noble? Also using a SansAmp bass driver. FYI sending the pedaltrain back for a Vertex just not sure if I should save room for a Noble takes 6 mos to get?
Depends on the quality amp you want. The HX is great, but the Nobel is kinda the gold standard for pedalboard based amps for bass. Pretty unreal how good it sounds :)
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks for the feedback! It is settled the Noble will be my last piece of gear outside of my instrument. Seeing when the wife will let me place the order ;) Look forward to soldering my mogami 2319 to the square plugs (arrived this week) and getting my Vertex Travel Plus after my pedaltrain return. Now just need to find a case in stock to fit the Vertex! Sweetwater is running low :(
@@VertexEffectsInc also, what would recommend to set up a power strip to power the ES-5, DC-7, and Noble? I liked how the Sweetwater bass pedalboard had added jacks to the back of the pedalboard. That’s what It’s like to do.
@@madhatter7862 No reason to do that, you can fit that all into your DC-7 and power everything from there.
@@madhatter7862 wait...I missed your comment on the Nobels...well, something like our pedalboards has a power module option you can install into the board: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VPowerMod--vertex-effects-pedalboard-power-module
But....what does the rest of the rig sound like? The sound samples at the end are just switching back and forth between dry direct and dry Noble at different eq settings. What are some other sounds this rig can get besides dry DI and dry Noble?
Robert Williams the owner, did his own demo of the board at Sweetwater.
@@VertexEffectsInc care to share a link?
For the output box is it 'ot a problem to have AC with audio ? Can you make a tutorial for that ? I want to build the same
Yes, you want to keep AC and Audio cables separated wherever possible.
@@VertexEffectsInc is there is a special way to do that or you can just put the two connecteur in the same box. Withouts ajustements ?
Sounds much smoother through the Noble! One question I do have is would an ‘always on’ Aguilar compressor pedal 2nd in chain after korg true bypass tuner also function as somewhat of an input buffer?
Nobel is great! What's the input impedance of the Aguilar?
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks so much for reply! Input is 1M, Output is 1K
@@taylorc9411 A little low for bass...maybe something like 2.2M input is more standard and lower on the output, like 100 ohms or so.
@@VertexEffectsInc gotcha, thanks for the info! I have a pretty long true bypass pedal chain with an xotic super clean buffer/boost at the end and a buffered pedal (ehx freeze) in the middle. Was wondering how much noticeable effect an input buffer would have, as I can’t audibly detect any signal loss from the board right now. Thanks again!
@@taylorc9411 Super Sweet is also not a great buffer if you're goal is linear/colorless, I think it's about the same spec as your Compressor if you check it out, something like 1M input, 1K output. It also has a color to it "super sweet" - ideally buffers should have no color totally 1:1. The best way to check it is to put your entire rig into a true bypass loop and bring it int/out with all the pedals in bypass and compare the tone and dynamics. Record it if you can so you can hear it both ways and compare.
So will the tc electronic buffer to just fine for the output buffer?
Yes! Absolutely!
Very interesting video Mason! I would like to put together a fairly simple bass rig to be able to go balanced to mixer/interface. I currently have a Darkglass Vintage Ultra pedal. What would your suggestions be to add drive, compression, delay and other commonly used bass effects into a fairly simple bass pedalboard? Thanks for your help and keep up the great videos!!
Depends on your drive tastes. I was always a fan of the Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive on Bass because of the clean blend. I also like the Fulltone Bass Drive a lot and some of the MXR Bass Distortion/Overdrive offerings. I also like Tech21/SansAmp drives too for bass or just putting guitar Overdrives with an EQ (that goes in the Bass Range) in a parallel mixer like the Xotic X Blender. For Compression, I like the MXR Studio Bass Compressor. For the wet processing really anything will work, depends on your preferences. A lot of guys do what Robert did here for the wet processing effects and use a Line 6 or Strymon to get a Swiss Army Knife type multi effects to have a bunch of different choices under one roof!
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks for the reply! That gives me some good places to start. Excellent info, thanks again!!
@@georgebaader9817 my pleasure!
Any way to get details on the custom AC box?
The XLR out of the Noble is a DI out that goes to a preamp, right? Or is it line level out? Confused that they call it a preamp...
The XLR is out of the preamp not into it.
@@VertexEffectsInc ohh, the xlr is line level out?? last time I saw one I treated it as a regular DI and plugged it into a preamp. whoops. Maybe I'll plug it straight into the LA2A next time and skip the preamp.
Have you checked out the new fender power supplies? Curious to your opinion
I’ve reached out to fender to see if they’ll send this one to review, I have yet to hear back
Yes finally!
Thank you for watching!
Very cool, compact set-up. I wonder, however, why the Noble wasn't used to power the pedals? I know that's one of the selling points of the Noble, but maybe it doesn't have enough power for something like the HX Stomp?
It's not isolated.
whats a buffer? and where can I take my pedalboard to get set up or set up advice?
Check out our Buffer videos in our Rig Doctor Playlist. You can hire consulting services over on www.therigdr.com.
@@VertexEffectsInc ok but for consulting is it over a video call?
@@TheCds777 there are different options, typically Zoom is most common.
Now I just need to be a pro level player 😅 I’ve got the HX Stomp part
Time to buy a new large pedalboard for my bass!!!!
It's always time!!!
Do you have the link for this pedalboard being used for its functionalities?
Sweetwater is making one with the owner of the board.
@@VertexEffectsInc sure taking their..... SWEET time!
@@rekeesefil not in my control to force the demo...sorry, out of my hands.
Hi pedal doc, can you make a video of making DIY power supply for Blackstar FLY 5watt mini amp? Looking forward to it.
I'm not sure if this would be a good "general" video and also with any stuff that's AC (I presume it's AC), it can be a tricky legal negotiation since there is more risk of electrocution when dealing with higher voltage AC signals.
I’m playing bass for this ‘The Killers’ tribute band but I play guitar. Im putting together bass board and, in my research, I’ve seen a lot of bassists with a radial di box on there. It seems like they’re plugging the instrument into the DI box then splitting it to the front of house then into the rest of their pedals.
Is that just so they engineer can blend a clean signal in with the effected/amp signal? My plan was to send him the di out of the amp and the clean from the box.
Anyone’s insight would be great fully appreciated.
A lot of guys like that if they want to parallel their effects, and that's happening to a degree here and the Line 6 can be used as a mixer between the FX loop of the Noble and the pedals running into it. There are a lot of ways to do it.
@@VertexEffectsInc I’m going to attempt this. Just putting a compressor before everything. Might be a disaster but who knows. Haha. I’m getting some cool bass tones running the radial di and ampeg combo di into my recording interface though. At the very least I’ll have a cool recording rig
What’s with the demo? Weedy thin bass tone with no effects applied, are you serious?
It’s just to demonstrate noise level and transparency
Don’t forget the mask!!! 😂😂😂
Thank you for yet another great and informative video. I'm a heathen that lives and dies by his Ernie Ball VP Jr. and uses the tuner out. I have a mix of true bypass and buffered bypass pedals, too many gadgets! But, I have my split signal going to Sans Amp bass drivers. I think I'm doing ok?
I’d loose the tuner out and get a high quality input and output buffer.
I am bulding a Pedal Board for my Bass but i can´t afford those billion Dollar Pedals. Is there a Budget Option to get a decent Tone ? I bouhgt a Zoom B6. It´s Crap i use it only for Tuning i hate that modeling Stuff. I am switching to Analog Pedals now. I have a Soul Food but i only get a distortert Signal if i am play with Pic and dig really hard in the Strings. I play Fingerstyle most of the Time and it produces not enough of the Overdrive even on Drive full cranked up. I suppose it is getting not enough Input when i play with Fingers. Any Tips for this ? Cool Channel.
I definitely prefer separate vs. multi-effects, but it can still get expensive without the boutique pedals. I'm almost "done" with my board and it got outta control fast 😅
It sounds like you need a higher gain overdrive to get more breakup. Adding more mids & highs can increase the harmonic distortion you're looking for, but can produce undesired effects, too. Not sure about the Soul Food, but it sounds like it would be a warm, subtle overdrive by the name alone. I've gotten awesome results from Joyo's Monomyth and Double Thruster if you want a great budget option that'll give you heaps of gain to play with.
Could you give me name of the song from 9:00? Reminds me of Landau vibe. Awesome.
Dann Huff/Giant demo track from his session guitarist video series.
@@VertexEffectsInc I have to watch it. Thx!!
How did you route the output of the HX Stomp since the Noble doesn't have an actual FX loop?
Wondered the same thing. @7:24 there's a brief shot of the output side of the Noble showing two 1/4" jacks between the power and the XLR. Maybe a loop is a custom option from Noble? I'd really like to know.
Loop is an option, Jack builds the Noble to order
@@RobertLeeWilliamsjunior rad. thanks
Dwayne, see what Robert said!
@@VertexEffectsInc Well now MY Noble needs a loop ;p
A good mustang with flats is so vibey
Oh heck yea!
@@VertexEffectsInc an episode about keeping the low-end intact while using pedals would also be a great topic. Thanks
@@T-Hawkeyes Yes indeed!
Can you speak to the noble DI out part of this build. I curious on how you did the XLR out. Looks like something I’m trying to accomplish with my version of my patch bay. Thanks in advanced.
Andrew, I just used a "D" style plug punch on a Hammond 1590 box (but sideways/horizontally). Acting as a pass-through. No benefit for doing this sonically, just kept all the connections in one place via the interface. You could have also just gone out of the XLR from the Nobels and been just fine.
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks. I see as well that you are going from XLR out of the noble and into your Hammond Patch bay box as a 1/4 and then finishing on the other side as a XLR again. again, something i'm replicating so is this a better way than all connections xlr? i noticed the actual cabling used for the noble out is quite a bit thinner. what are the parts used here?
@@VertexEffectsInc Also In regards to power. I am already equipping power to my voodoo labs C7 Iso power via my patch bay and made my connection as a powercon. If I re-open that connection am I good to split power off the same connection to run AC to the voodoo lab and the noble?
@@VertexEffectsInc I have a similar setup. Do you sell that box or would you be open to making another
I have no idea what the buffers are? What's the difference between a input and output buffer? Can someone help me please?
Watch our buffer videos, we have several
Great video for the build. The demo was disappointing though. All of those pedals just to sound like a slightly more compressed and EQ-ed clean tone.
agreed ...great build, but damn what an expensive rig for almost nothing.
That little box with the Noble and Power on the front, is there a build tutorial for something like that? I’m geeking out on your builds and soaking it all in. Giving me ideas on how to build my next bass board. I’d like to know about that box and how you built it! Please and thank you!
No, but you can download the spacing and dimensions for a D Punch outlet from Neutrik and drill it out yourself. That's what is used for the PowerConn.
@@VertexEffectsInc may I then ask what powerCon you used? Was it the 20 A?
@@ericbanke2903 the D-shape ones are all the same profile I believe - depends on your set up, I usually go double what the rig requirements are.
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks very much. Love the videos you are posting. Much appreciated!!
Mason, if I have an active DI do I still need a buffer?
On the input of the rig? Tell me more about the pedals and the rig.
@@VertexEffectsInc I'm still thinking abou assembling one but I meant in the end of the chain. right now I only have a zoom B3 but I want to replace it with a simple compressor, preamp, overdrive, cab-sim rig
@@thebassrogue if you're going to an amp, you'd want one on the output at least.
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks Mason!
A metronome would have been a nice addition to the pedalboard :-)
How does one find the input impedance of there amp?
Most of the spec sheets will tell you this from the manufacturer.
A lot of nice equipment. The bass tone is pretty thin though. Wonder why...should be beefy af
We're just comparing DI with pedalboard to DI without pedalboard to compare transparency and noise.
What is the best pedal chain for bass players?
We have a good guitar signal path one and most of it holds up for Bass.
Combindeded?
Not really a night and day difference between the 2 sounds, and I'm not even sure which I liked better. Neither was great, but neither was bad. Kind of a shame. I sat through that whole thing thinking I was about to hear something special only to get "meh".