Quest Pro: Nearly Missing BINGO
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- After nearly a YEAR of datamining, watching import records, and gathering an network of industry sources - The Quest Pro was officially announced on Tuesday and I wanted to see how many predictions/leaks of mine were confirmed
This video also goes quite in depth about the lack of a depth sensor that was removed at the last minute before Mass Production
0:00 Meta Connect Madness
00:41 Price/Release Date Confirmed
2:08 Meta Removed a HUGE Feature
3:43 RIP Depth Sensor
4:43 Stinson's Intel RealSense Foreshadowing
5:33 Leaks are not Final
6:17 SoC, RAM, Storage
7:24 10 Cameras (Battery Drainers)
8:10 QLED/MiniLED Displays
8:28 Display Resolution Confusion
9:25 Pancake Lenses/Counter-Rotated Displays
10:37 Wi-Fi 6E
10:51 Touch Pro Controllers Battery Life
11:31 Spec Sheet Rant
12:40 Audio/HD Haptics
13:10 Touch Pro on Quest 2
13:57 Eye/Face Tracking Cameras
15:00 Light Blockers
15:20 Dock Charging (Stinson Too?)
16:46 BINGO! Thanks to my Patrons!
#questpro #quest3 #meta - Наука та технологія
dogs cant see color
trex cant see movement
brad cant see diagonals
I was about to say diagonal lol
Dogs can see color though...limited colour compared to us, but their sight is still in color.
I thought the suggestions/predictions on the board needed to be announced/confirmed directly by Meta during the Meta Connect Livestream to be valid for the Bingo.
Never seen diagonals in bingo, at least not in UK
Sadly.
Brad doesnt count diagonals in bingo; that truly shows what kind of person he is.
Missing an obvious pattern kind of person? No clue about Bingo rules kind of person?
He probably didn't noticed it until this comment XD
Dunno about rules in other countries, but here only rows count in bingo.
@@JeppeBeier if that were true then there are no bingos. Because his was in a column. 😂
Any five in a line counts in Bingo. Of course rules can be modified to make it more difficult, like blackout Bingo or only Rows or columns.
@@Spatial_Computer I guess bingo rules vary between countries then.
Love to see how far you've come. Even beyond the leaks, I don't know how often you'll be able to do it but your interviews with people in the industry especially the eMagin CEO are what's really making me stick. Stuff like that is hard to come by in a rarely covered relatively niche medium like VR so shining light to make it more front-facing is great.
Though it is a shame (and ironic) that you started from Valve and have now gained enough notoriety in the industry because of your leaks for every other company EXCEPT Valve. Hit me with that hopium, man. Just once.
I thinks CES will be a fun time for interviews. I hope. As far as Valve stuff, I am ALWAYS looking for that stuff first. Trust me
Brad has leaked a lot from Valve code though. All the traces of hardware are there.
We knew about 90% of what to expect because of your leaks. It was 👌 👏 👍 💖
except of the display port. that was 👎
Hopefully we can get back to Valve leak season soon! I'm getting hopium withdrawal after this.
one can dream.
Enjoy tearing Meta a new one while you can. Soon it'll be Valve in the spotlight and it'll be equally oofsome.
Yes this. Quest Pro is a disappointment overall
The only reason I was shocked is because of the 1800 euro instead of 1500 thats insane
That is really rough...
+50€ for the VR blinders
VAT
@@chicayess That and the weaker Euro makes the VAT much more obvious than it was in the past. A year ago, it could have been 1500 Euro and that would match the $1500 + VAT, more or less.
@@ChristesII Maybe I still live in the past but makes sense I guess
Been following!!! Love your stuff so far and it really helps me get the information I need when Meta doesnt want to share their details till last second
Glad to hear it!
I checked the page to see if this would be a good upgrade. What made me not want to get this was the fact it didn't state FOV, Battery Life, or basically any specs in detail and it was all just vague lol.
yeah, that stupid specs website reminds me on cheap china sellers...
I was shocked at no 120hz support
Doesn't sound like it will happen later on too
If its only got enough battery for 1-2 hours, I dont know how they would manage a 120hz display, which would drain more power.
Keep the information coming man. Love the videos.
BONGO BONGO! Amazing how many squares got filled in, much good jobbing Bradman!
The only thing I am a bit confuse on is their goal over all with the Quest Pro - or should I say Quest Enterprise. Just seem like a mix bag of things thrown togather as one display and then try to curve it with the idea that it can replace the current desktop for business work. Yet, they don't really support PCVR (not gaming, but I mean the idea of what PCVR is). I would figure if that was their twist they would have show off more demos of it working plug in (to get around that 2 hr limit) and really showing off stuff like USB-C over DP or something similar. Or the idea on how they are baking VD into their software more to really give you that desktop feel with more meeting + co working without distants. For example, working at the desk with the headset with a few windows up using Office (Word, Outlook, Excel) and then a call comes in asking how the reports are going before then switching to meeting room mode where they show off the current reports and other things that user was working on. Would've been cooler, but again, I am not really sure how eye tracking and face tracking really would've help for all this... just seems like extra that maybe wasnt needed for this goal set? At least for face tracking that seems more useful for the community than productivity. Eye tracking is a bit hard to nail down if its needed or not just because it does allow for more features, but at hte same time, who is going to really be programming for them when Oculus 3 for example wont be getting it? As a business owner, I can tell you we do look at features and price - but we have to look at it as who will be getting what for what reason. Normally money makers will get better hardware over people that just do paper work. While I know there are a few places where we could spend the moeny - it doesnt replace the cheaper monitor we can get by the lot. That's where they still need to look at feature dropping across different models would come in handy if they ever just release more than one headset with different goals in mind.
I agree and I think Meta doesn't really know who will end up buying it. They should have had some great first party apps just for this thing. Instead of stuff they've had for a while
Collaboration is nice, but I don't see how they will stop companies like Microsoft for doing the same thing with other ecosystems that come up soon
There is another, less pessimistic possible side to the depth sensor drama that people may not realize: with the recent rapid advancements of computer vision AI there is a new belief among some experts starting to get popular (originally started by Tesla years ago) that computer vision/cameras are getting so good you may not need (or even want) some of the other sensors - not just for BOM cost reduction, but because the sensor fusion may actually do more harm than good - you can literally degrade the results by integrating more data from other sensors that isn't precise enough or even if not degrading - not getting enough benefit for the complexity it introduces and complexity is always a negative thing that slow progress and maintenance down. People who never worked on tech projects often don't realize that sometimes having more stuff isn't better even when it's free. The first controversy in automotive industry was about LIDAR (turns out moving cameras can create incredible depth maps too and often higher res) and surprisingly one of the biggest proponents of LIDAR in cars from Uber now changed his view 180 and agrees with Tesla and sees lidar as a dead end...Tesla then removed radar and now is removing ultrasonic sensors from their new cars as camera CV started doing better and better job. The writing is on the wall. Meta could look at research data from their labs and notice that it's not worth it with how good new CV algorithms are getting. It could also be a big gamble etc. The biggest weakness of cameras is the lack of light situations, not a problem for cars which are legally required to have lights on at night, but for HMDs it would be nice to have full tracking in darkness...
That's what I was thinking.
Yeah elon has been saying this but most experts disagree completely on this. There is nothing more pure than data from a sensor that is built for that. Lidar is giving you an exact direct observation. While the cameras are just giving info that then you use to approximate using quick computation what the resulting distance is. Its not direct, and can have flaws.
@@One_Shot21 Just as human vision can have flaws. But it is reliable enough for us. In the end, lidar adds an extra cost.
@@One_Shot21 "Most experts disagree completely" idk man, Tesla has some of the best engineers around and they're doing it.
@@droid16beta97 Tesla's have accidents that LIDAR would have prevented
You can't have a self driving car that is only as reliable as human vision - you need something superior.
LIDAR is that. Cameras don't even match out eyes
Hi, Brad. That "depth sensor" is actually a MEMS IR laser projector. It projects some light patterns to the environment.
Noted. Thanks
The reason why Meta cut it could be power consumption(it's power hungry) or manufacturing(MEMS shortage) or cost(very expensive).
@@anran6425 yeah might bring it down to 30 min to 1 hour battery life lol
@@anran6425 It makes sense since the device have poor battery life already.
Honestly I don't understand why not just put a 10,000 battery and have better battery life.
@@yoanperez172 that's what I was thinking. maybe they'll allow people to buy a headstrap upgrade with better battery life just like they did for the q2
Does the Pro have the Quest 3 chip but the extra power is used for the Pro features?
love ur videos man. keep up the amazing work!!
BRADLEY! Your microphone USB cable is bending, you're killing me here. My soul, please, I love you.
Haha oops
I wouldn't be surprised if the panel is in fact 2160x2160 per eye.... it will help for using it as a monitor even if the render res is 1800x1920
it is not LOL. You people are pathetic. Never ever has anyone claimed the rendered resolution instead of the physical/real resolution of the screens. It doesn't even make sense to do that. If the screens are x resolution than they are x resolution. Also rendered resolution depends of the apps and the devs.
great stuff as always brad
Glad you enjoyed it
Hmm, quest 2 is already a monitor replacement for my work. If Pro even has any perceived increase in clarity, along with color pass-through makes me interested in this product. ...maybe just not early adopter. I'll be keeping my eye out for a refurbished unit after the new year.
Yeah, Meta said it should be 40% more sharp in the center, because pixels are not so much scaled up by the lenses, so text should be much better readable, also because of the clear lenses. But maybe for that a Pico 4 would also be a thing, also pancake but higher resolution as well.
Many thanks for your info
You smashed it, Brad.
Is the depth sensor hardware entirely removed and they left a hole there or is the hardware still there but not activated yet?
Hardware totally removed
I really didn't like the increased resolution at the centre of vision. It sounds like the lenses distort the image so that the centre of the lens covers more pixels (like a small fish-eye) to increase resolution there. Obviously the image is rendered opposite to remove the distortion but that sounds to me like even things like reading will require you to move your head from side to side.
I'd like to see in person but it really feel like it could be a very annoying feature (and also doesn't bode well for dynamic rendering based on eye tracking).
I understand it so that the fresnel lenses of the Quest 2 zooms the pixels in the center more up, so the pixels in center are there bigger than on the edge. But maybe I'm wrong and you are right. Meta is really bad in communicate clear facts, too much space for speculation. Look on controller battery life, I heard 2h, 6h, 8h and now in this video 4-5h... 🤦♂
Your price leak helped me brace/save for the headset. I'm hoping it's actually a viable collaborative workspace option.
You have done God’s work with your Quest Pro leaks. Excited to see what’s next!
Hahaha I didn't even see the vertical bingo, only the diagonal one from the top right to the bottom left that you missed 😆
frickin a
So first of all it's probably important to consider that the panel resolution of this device will more than likely be closer to 2160×2160 rendered at 1800×1920. Once I heard that meta confirmed the controller battery life is more like 5-8 hours and that you can get more than 1-2 hours on the headset if you just turn off the face tracking feature (coupled with the fact that you can still charge the headset with a 3rd party USB battery device without having to use a wire, I figured I need to get it just for the pancake lenses and 37% pixel increase. For me, whether it's simulators, watching TV, games, browser, the pancake lenses are a must to get rid of a multitude of display issues including those blurred lines on the edges of everything. Also I do believe that there will be optional 120hz experimental feature adopted within the next couple of months once Zuck realizes its not just companies buying this stupid thing. It was so ridiculous that there wasn't one mention of using this specific piece of hardware for entertainment, simulators, games, fitness in full vr. The potential is definitely there even for gamers. Yes, you'll have to give an arm and a leg to buy one and yes, you'll have to buy some separate accessories but the potential is there for this thing to be used outside of commercial business.
it is not LOL. You people are pathetic. Never ever has anyone claimed the rendered resolution instead of the physical/real resolution of the screens. It doesn't even make sense to do that. If the screens are x resolution than they are x resolution. Also rendered resolution depends on the apps and the devs.
I think the effective resolution will be higher than the Quest 2.
The Quest has the fixed panel so loses usable resolution to be able to adjust for ipd.
That shouldn't be the case on the Pro
Good point.
After hearing the battery life of the controllers isn't 1-2 hours and that the headset battery can be extended to more than the Q2's if you disable the pro features I caved and bought it, even though I'm still kicking myself over paying that extortionate price. I just really wanted pancake lenses (fresnel artifacting is seriously the only reason I don't use my headset to watch stuff), the extra comfort and those self-tracking controllers. I appreciate I could've just picked up a pico for the pancakes or the controllers on their own to pair with a Q2 but I wanted both benefits.
While I'd like eye and face tracking....
a) 1-2 hour battery life with them on
b) What you mentioned about it not even currently being transmitted to PCVR
c) Even if it does get PCVR added, there'll be almost no support for it outside of stuff that already does it. I can't see VRChat's iffy eye and face integration seeing significant improvement just for this niche headset
Honestly, I think the Q3 not having eye and face is probably the right choice if it's going to kill the battery that badly while also bumping up the price so significantly and if can't be used in PCVR then it's super handicapped anyway.
Honestly, I would've preferred it if the pro had dumped those too and either been cheaper or put the money from those features into just about anything else.
I agree completely. Once I heard that meta confirmed the controller battery life is more like 5-8 hours and that you can get more than 1-2 hours on the headset if you just turn off the face tracking feature (coupled with the fact that you can still charge the headset with a 3rd party USB battery device without having to use a wire, I figured I need to get it just for the pancake lenses and 37% pixel increase. For me, whether it's simulators, watching TV, games, browser, the pancake lenses are a must to get ride of those blurred lines on the edges of everything. Also I do believe that there will be optional 120hz experimental feature adopted within the next couple of months.
Bruh why did you buy it
Was kinda surprised the leak about the headset having the visible 3 camera areas on the front ended up making it to the production unit, thought they would've hid it a bit better
A few things to think about- 1.) Quest Pro is not Enterprise focused in the sense of Corporations making bulk orders. Enterprise doesn't go to Best Buy to shop for supplies and while the Business tools (support contracts, lease plans, multii-device docks, enterprise security integration, etc..) for Quest Pro may be coming, out of the box it has access to the consumer Quest 2 ecosystem and app store, has no features to clear it for Enterprise use in most Fortune 100 companies. Make no mistake, Quest Pro is being marketed for pro-consumers NOT Enterprise. In the same way Apple sells an iPhone Pro and an non-Pro model. It's very interesting Meta themselves don't understand why the Smartphone model should not be applied.
They would probably just tell you "Enterprise support features are coming". Ok, why launch without it? That's the continued theme with Quest Pro. The face and eye tracking too glitchy to use (according to Carmack himself), the Mixed Reality supposedly a disappointment... I guess the hand and eye tracking will be available in Horizon Worlds and Workrooms at launch? This was never promised... The software that runs on the hardware defines the use cases, so the software really defines the product and Quest Pro has no software to make anyone want to buy it.... Meta could have waited longer and had compelling apps to show. Why didn't they? Probably because they want to beat Apple's MR headset to market... It's the worst product launch in the company's history.
I have no faith left in the company at this point. Will be putting 100% of my XR development focus towards Pico 4 and whatever Apple eventually releases. I'm done with Meta, because Mark Zuckerberg is not the right leader for the company anymore and yet he refuses to move on and he has the shares to continue to run in into the ground. I believe he wants so badly to see his vision through that he will stick with tunnel vision to the point he bankrupts the company. He has good intent, but he needs to hand it off to someone else and take a chairman role.
Depth sensors typically need a lot of power to run (an exception is LiDAR sensor in iPhone where they have very low depth sensor resolution and AI upscales the depthmaps with help of RGB image).
I know from my app 3D Live Scanner, if you 3D scan using depth sensor the battery drain is extreme. I cannot imagine Meta would use it for a long mixed reality sessions.
bottom left corner to upper right corner is a bingo as well! Thanks for the vid!
i dumb. haha thanks for watching
Thanks!
Meta's tech specs page is a disgrace.
Thanks for the depth sensor news. I will be cancelling my preorder.
Anyone know if it will have the ability to add prescription lenses. Right now that is the only thing holding me back from purchasing it.
Due to the shape of the lense, third party prescription inserts are inevitable. I recommend VR Optician who I have mine from.
4:38 so does that mean PSVR2 has it, since it can map it automatically or do they just have better software?
They seem to have better software
16:20 I'm pretty sure thats just a spot for using a charging stand. The usb c is on the side
I enjoyed this Bradley content.
I've been watching hands-on videos for the Quest Pro, and I've yet to see anyone discuss the hand tracking capabilities in any detail. That's worrisome.
I guarantee It's gonna be exactly the same as quest 2, idk why anyone would expect any more from 2d cameras. Still disappointing tho.
@@deddrz2549 Comment didn't age well
I watched the stream with you. And thanks for this sum up. Question : you said John Carmack said quest pro wasn’t a good monitor replacement option. Where can i get is point of view about this? Can’t wait for you to get your hands on this unit. I’ve been pushing back changing my monitor and my living room tv cause i really would prefer the vr or mr option. Quest 2 is awful for me because of the god rays. Have a great day!
Look up "Carmack unscripted 2022" or something on UA-cam. Way better than Connect tbh
considering they don't do hand tracking over PCVR, I also had been worried/assumed that they won't support eye and face tracking on PCVR. Which makes the headset a total brick. Dead on arrival, piece of trash. So, the answer to that question is going to determine whether or not I'm going to buy one or not.
i dont think they will support it over airlink and link. My guess is that it's probably going to be implemented into third party software like ALVR, though.
There was something they said in the presentation that makes me think that they're using the pancake lenses to actually concentrate more pixels toward the center of the vision. So a kind of non-linear lens distortion so there's actually a higher PPI toward the center
what? ....the design of the lens can affect the optical clarity ....not the ppi .....for more ppi in the center u would need a special kind of display matrix where in the center it has more pixels than the outer edge .....not sure that can or has been done at all ever ...and they would definitely mention it if they had something like that
what they mentioned about the lenses was it's 30% clearer in the center and 50% clearer in the periphery..... because they r comparing it to fresnel
@@pumpuppthevolume PPD is the term to use here. Pixels per degree of vision. Usually higher towards the edges due to being flat panels and also where the lenses are the most blurry.
u mean lower towards the edges ...and I'm not sure u can call that less ppd that's less clarity because of the fresnel clarity is less towards the edges ....not because there r less pixels in some area compared to another area of your vision
......that's why they mentioned the clarity is better in the center and periphery compared to fresnel not better ppd in some area compared to another area
@@pumpuppthevolume You can have higher PPD and less clarity at the same time. I did say that the edges have the blurriest optics. Supossedly the optics of these pancake lenses will reverse some of that PPD disparity through some lens distortion.
@michael b inches and centimeters are both quantifying the same thing. PPD and PPI are quantifying different things. You cannot independently change amount of inches without affecting amount of centimeters, but you can change PPD without affecting PPI.
I'll need grips to be able to use those controllers though. There's literally nothing to hang off. And I most likely can't use my existing groups because they'll likely block the cameras.
You got 2 bingos yo 😂🎉
Love your videos dude!
Glad you like them! i dum
Do you think that the quest 3 will have self tracking controllers?
I have doubts. I think they will let you buy Touch Pros as an upgrade similar with Quest 2
@@SadlyItsBradley then why haven't they released the pro controllers in white? lol
@@SadlyItsBradley other than the tracking is there really a good reason for a Quest 2 owner to get the pro controllers? I don't really have a use case for the stylus and the extra haptics, I just play VR games
What does SKU stand for?
stock keeping unit
A few weeks ago I wasn't even considering the Pico 4 just because of the amount of software I own on Quest. But due to the insane cost of this headset I suspect I will move to Pico.
I don't think this was ever the headset you should have been considering for an upgrade. The quest 3 is what you want. Or, yeah, the Pico 4
@@Gr0nal I'm currently on a Quest one. I didn't think the Quest 2 was enough of an upgrade to bother with. But The new Pico 4 does look awesome and I do have a very good gaming PC. So will probably go Pico 4.
Pico will catch up with software in a year or so.
Hard to say, but if you are just going for a more gamer/casual gamer then you would be better off getting the P4 or Q3. Granted, Q3 wont be out for another year so P4 might still be the better option. P4 does lack some software shining - but I think it should be good enough for the every day needs.
I’ll wait for the new index.
I have payed no attention to this product but that $50 blinders kit on a $1500 product is laughable.
ya. i found it one of the funniest aspects
Even if the "headset" itself can't send face tracking data to PC... Virtual Desktop can probably still pull those numbers since it's a Quest app, and then send that data over wifi to your PC for VRChat or Neos. I see no reason why wireless VR users couldn't have face tracking if Guy adds the functionality at least.
To be honest i was thinking to try one myself but after the meta connect. I really dont think it will have a big success and it simply does not sound very good, especially if you upgrade and not start with vr. Especially after how they did not mention battery or resolution at all... sus.. and those prices for accessories lol
Looks like they are trying to grab sone of the more 'high end' market's cash before companies like Apple will release their headsets and Meta will lose on the spot. Thank you for buying and i cant wait to hear your review. Especially about resolution and how the lenses are
Ps. I rate it 2 / Beat Saber XR
Bruh they even have a max 90hz in the specs list, wtf u was expecting 120hz option at least
Ur sayin the Quest Pro "doesn't" have a depth sensor? Is it not being sold as having one??? 🤔
Doesn’t have
@@SadlyItsBradley how is it able to scan/map our environment then? We saw an AR robot walking around a room, climbing up walls/across the ceiling and around a table!!! 🤔
@@neilrisley1321 It's not able to scan the environment. You have to mark your walls manually with the controller. Works just the same as Quest2. I think this is really just a headset for meant for chat, not for AR. The AR part is just what people assumed from the leaks.
@@grumbel45 "the AR" as you put it was a pretty big part of Mark Zuckerbergs presentation...& every person that has had hand on experience with the Quest Pro!!! 🤦♂️
Thanks brad u are the most interesting channel about VR !!!! Follow you as like living 3 y in the future....
100% agree with you that depth sensor. That in my guess will be a usp for Apple and that will drive a huge bunch away from meta.
Third parties are salivating over the quest 3 with all of it's potential accessory options!
Quest 3 - BoboVR edition :D I bet they wont even bother putting out a Q3 elitestrap/covers/etc, as the 3rd part offerings are so much better value.
@@CognosSquare meta is still going to try, they just released a new fitness pack for the quest 2 for an eye watering $70!
I’m kind of relieved this isn’t a mind blowing must have because I was going to have to choose between this or a 7900xt.
I like the way you think
For $1500 / €1800 it really should have been beyond mindblowing.
Ended up snagging one last week for $980 new, its pretty damn nice actually.
I see the pain you hide behind that smile. Me too buddy. We just want some good hardware, not this...
halp
The price point is very high not because of the number in a vacuum - 1500$ would be dirt cheap for a Varjo Aero with controller and inside out tracking - it is high for what the Quest Pro ended up being. The AR aspect appears to be lackluster (2d cameras, distortion, weak color fidelity), the oh-so expensive to make eye tracking equally problematic with no use short of animating avatars ?! (no PCVR, no foveated rendering ? ..for now), lowered refresh rate, lower resolution (compared to Q2), pancake lenses that aren't earth shattering anymore (Pico 4 and all future HMDs most likely for much less, not a premium feature anymore).... that's hardware wise. The fact that they're extremely opaque over their tech spec is also extremely worrying. Software wise they haven't shown a single demo that would convince an enterprise that their device make sense in a productivity setting. In fact, their 'demos' were very similar to MS Hololens proof of concepts a few years back. Where I'm frustrated isn't because it's not looking like a great upgrade to the Q2 for gaming, it is frustrating because it gives the impression Meta have no idea where they are heading and that's terrible news for VR overall.
simply - battery life killed the Lidar /3D Sensor^^
I have a side question, hope you will answer it because I am really curious. Did you not have any legal problems with leaking all the Quest specs and CAD schematics? I'm honestly quite suprised Meta wouldn't take legal action against your channel (Though I do like to know what's in store earlier). This legit seems close to some sort of espionage, but I don't know what laws it could break. If I didn't think that ByteDance already had someone on the inside I'd strongly believe them being so close behind (/forward in some cases) is attributed to those leaks.
As for the video I am happy that I saw this after all the shitstorm videos about QPro because despite me not really wanting to buy this headset in the first place I was initially excited by those controllers. 1hr battery on controllers rumour really bummed me out, but seeing as it might not be true and it might be much longer I'd definitely consider bying them for my Q2.
So long as Brad is not contractually bound to not leak and he himself does not commit a crime to obtain the information, it is perfectly legal. There are no grounds to sue him. Only the person who leaks to him if THEY are found out might be in for a world of legal hurt.
What Blake said.
Hey Brad, I'm trying to make a HMD Tracker for the Quest Pro too.... Do you want to help me test a prototype? Perhaps in Dec 2022?
You know I am, JASON!!!! Put me on the list 🥹
It'd be cool if there was a controller specific analysis. My Q2 controllers are starting to drift (compressed air in and around the stick is letting me limp on) but it seems like for someone who plays a lot of FPS games that buying the controllers instead of the headset might be the way to go.
If you are talking about upgrading to the new Quest pro controllers to use for your Quest 2.... I dont know if that's a good idea. They are $300 and the battery life on them is supposedly only 2 hours max lol
@@WhiteRaven___ I thought it was the headset that only had two hours of battery life?
@@MicaSloan i did too, but on Metas website and after rewatching the video Zuck says it will have the same battery life as the headset lol which is a huge disappointment to say the least.. I mean unless you have the upgraded battery pack on your quest 2 you won't be playing longer than 2 hours now anyways... but still.
@@WhiteRaven___ oh man well thanks for checking. That's definitely pretty disappointing
@@MicaSloan yeah I feel ya. I did recheck the website and I swear it was listed there but its not now and Brad even mentions this in the video about them not specifying the controllers battery life. Zuck said it'll last as long as the headset but I dont actually think he SAID 1-2 hours that's just how I took it. But regardless I guess the probable answer is less than 6 hours, which is still way less than quest 2 controllers but usable if you are looking to upgrade. I still think $300 for the controllers is crazy though
Only one? LOL what about the diagonal line?
All of your links above for the SadlyItsBradley store when clicked go to a 404! Page not found page. From there you can click a link for merch but the landing page gives the error.
Oh thats weird. will check up on that now. Thanks
UA-cam integration seems broken... bradsmells.com/merch
waiting for a device that I can fully get into VR without spending all my money, I was thinking quest 2 but I guess I might as well wait for quest 3 now or something else... AUS pricing makes it tough regardless.
Really after a PCVR headset with 120hz ( maybe 144hz too )
An index G2 would be brill
Same as index with updated screen & pancake lenses that’s it
the quest pro looks great but with the battery life and FOV i cant justify 1,500 on it especial for streaming for long periods of time like i do.
OOof. No depth sensor is a crazy fail given where the higher end of these VR/MR headsets seem to be... heading.
Yes this is very weird. If there was some usability problems, why not just leave the sensor in. You could fix the kinks later with AI and iterations. If it was hard to integrate with the other systems, at the very least the sensor would be good for some "depth sensor test"-apps to help plan and inspire the future.
Yeah, I directly go on to the specs page and my first thought was "Are you kidding me?". I'm not often see such bad specs pages, at mostly they are from chinese companies...
Maybe you will have two more Bingos when we know the capacity of the new Touch Controllers. 🤔
it's great they figured for wider fov rather than longer
I've been wondering about this and came to the conclusion that while their research indicates vertical FoV is more beneficial for immersion, horizontal is probably more useful when trying to just use it as a multiple monitor setup or other such business uses as you're more likely to scan sideways than up and down :o
@@Geminosity ill just add that the vertical FoV should include your hands and real keyboard ideally for the productivity aspect. I wonder if it does. Judging from my Quest2 with keyboard thats a bit iffy. I have to look down a bit.
I still can't justify the cost. I've bought one, it's gunna get fadter via software, but I can't get my head round the cost.
First impressions off of spec sheet: It is REALLY expensive for what you get. I agree
Carmack said that the quest pro has a bigger battery and gets longer battery life if you run it without the extra processing power...
But I don’t really feel it’s worth buying the device and then turn off all the main features
Early upload hope you get some sleep Bradley
I did! and do recently!
You had two bingos, you have the diagonal as well
I think $799 would’ve been the perfect price for this
Wah
I'm disappointed with it, but it all goes towards the progression of VR for everybody.
I'm going to wait and happily use my Quest 2 for now. I've had a "Go", CV1, Index, Rift S and the Quest II is the best yet - especially with Sidequest improvements in the resolution.
I'm going to just wait for Valve to come up with the their next headset. I don't want to support Zuckerberg or his horrible metaverse plans.
Those avatars look proper shit. I want Carmack over with Valve
So the coolest features that would price it at 1500 were removed, but they kept the price tag. Sounds about right.
I do chainsaw carving and capture the sculpture with photogrammetry. So I wanna use Quest Pro do do something with it for when I display it at art galleries. I'm all like🤔
That’s epic
Are you sure it was the majority which was suprised? You said this will be a business headset made primarily for creators and therefor more expensive and powerful. Facebook said more or less the same on the last event. It will be the more expensive line based on the latest and greatest VR. So I wasn't suprised at all.
I wonder if Pico 4 is 2160 res because they saw your copium 🤪 if so thank you, because I've just pre-ordered 😁
I think the depth sensor thing was zuck fast tracking the headset for his event.
Does feel like that
In regards to the depth sensor. I wouldn't be surprised if they released a more expensive model down the line with one installed. Make even more money
The fact that the spec sheet misses so many specs is unacceptable.
Drives me crazy
I'm really hoping I'm able to get a second controller charging cable. If I have to stop using my $1500 headset because the controllers died when my Quest 2 can operate for a week with the headset charging, I'm going to be pissed
the headset and the controllers all charge at the same time on the charging base. so you won’t run into this anyway unless you’re on the go and only have the cables with you
I guess they could argue that its not the full kit for 1500, because you did not get the full facial interface etc. I'm sure Brad keeps saying death sensor! Any way joking aside it most definately is not worth 1500 in my opinion
Abount Face/Eye-Tracking on PC: I could understand how they won't implement it into Oculus Link because lazy. But to prevent VR Desktop from forwarding the sensor data or a background app to send it, they would probably have to go quite a way just to implement such a specific block...
I heard that developers don't get acces to the data, just to a mapping of face movements that are calculated
@@joel3399 To be clear: I meant data like mouth_smile, jaw_left, etc. With numeric values. Not raw picture data from the cameras. Basically how everyone else in the industry does it... You say that isn't possible?
@@jenszier I don't know
@@joel3399 That is the data.
There's no diagonal Bingo?
i didnt notice it aaaaa
@@SadlyItsBradley Sorry hehe..
I guess Valve Deckard is maybe not going to surface for another year or more. I might just go PICO or hope PIMAX 12K QLED is good and hold out until EOY.
I don't wanna wait 1-2 years more for a Deckard... :(
@@SadlyItsBradley Brad. Did you get the PICO 4 ? Would love to see your specific takes and review of the headset in your hands. Any possibility?
If the face camera is not available to pc then I honestly can't justify getting this product. The only thing going for this product over the pico4 is basically the better micro oled display. But is it worth $900 more for that feature?
Well you should break it up a bit more than 900 as you are getting new V3 controllers along with that eye/face tracking... but how much those are worth to you is a different question. Agree if they dont allow a way for others to use said data on the PC - whats the point? Again, it just feels like they are trying so hard to kill PCVR and its not going to work out well for them
It's not micro OLED display but LCD with MiniLED backlight for better local dimming.
@@GaaraSama1983 Ah I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
I think it could be a bandwidth issue to send the the raw images from the face cameras also. But I bet it could send the "decoded" data to the PC like (eyeLookingAt: X,Y pos) for the eyetracking camera, but they would have to include it in the SDK later. But then if Quest 3 is not including them, they might wait a good minute with that SDK.
@@CognosSquare They said they wont want to share the raw data. Instead, they mask the data onto a model that they can use... not a bad thing there, but then they wont share that model data I guess back to the PC... could just be a limit like you said, but they been known to do some fishy things in the past as well.
Is no one gonna talk about the quest 2 pro price in Canada??? It’s insane dude.
I thought so too but 1500 USD = 2000 CAD and I believe meta's website price does include taxes (15%) which really comes to 2300$. I do recall not paying taxes for my Quest and Quest 2 but a higher price (basically the same as other retails). Is it still the case ?
Glad I bought my Pico 4 for 399, hope they will release to na for u guys soon
All set on the chinese spy device but thanks
Hopefully soon.. other wise maybe we will see a Pico 5 to combat the Quest 3 instead if it takes more then 6 months.
Pretty normal shirt Brad.
I don't play bingo but are you not able to make bingo diagonally? If you are wouldn't you have two bingos?
I didn’t see the diagonal 🥲
Wow, not having eye-tracking for PC is a deal-breaker.
Replacing my Index controllers and HMD has been free for me, even very out of warranty.
Epic
Hey rq is there a specified time for the waifu review
3am lol
Without a depth sensor, is this 1500 device really better than the $430 Pico 4, for MR? I thought mixed reality was supposed to be one of its strongest selling points.
Edit: Seems like the only way this is better than the PIco 4 pro is the controllers the xr2+, miniled with local dimming, and the wifi 6e. We still don't know how much it will cost, or when it will be available, or if it will be available outside of entierprise though. Also, software can make or break things.
Edit 2: Pico really stole their thunder Those Quest Pro controllers look real nice, though.
Not 1500, the quest pro is 1800€ 😂
Dude the meta software/platform alone trumps Pico no matter what piece of hardware we're talking about
If someone could do the impossible and hack the Quest Pro controllers to work with the Pico 4, we would have the Stinson a year early!
A commenter can dream i guess