The "truth" ending to Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain. Warning there are major spoilers in this clip. If you haven't finished TPP yet, DO NOT WATCH.
Venom is the best snake. He literally gave everything. He is true proof genetics don't matter only experience as would be proven again with solid snake. His story is very tragic.
I am the best snake I changed my life to be a wanted solider that wasent even me , but now I’m big boss and you are too , your comment is 3 months old but sorry to kept you waiting !
@@davipenha you miss the whole point of the series. From mgs1 kojima sends the message that genetics do not matter, only experience. Solid got the inferior genes and yet he won out. Venom only had memories implanted and it made him a legend. David had more in common with big boss despite not getting those superior genes because from what I gather they are of a similar spirit. The just went different paths at that fork in the road.
@Little Horn the B side of the cassette “Operation Intrude” is a reference to Metal Gear. So is the Diamond Dogs emblem changing to Outer Heaven. Big Boss dies in that game but is somehow alive in MGS4, this all implies that Venom dies in MG.
@@littlehorn3533 because he did die, have you not play the original metal gear and Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake? The big boss we fought was not the real big boss it was venom snake
I really like the ending of MGS V. Especially when Venom Snake turns on MSX2 with "Operation N313" cassette - in some sense, Venom in the very end of the series starts the whole series again.
Kojima's game is pretty interesting, when the other games is made in a straightforward and chronological timeline, MGS is the opposite. MGS's groove is back and forth where the 3rd game is the story origin, the 4th game is the end, and the last game is actually a prequel to the first game and etc.
@@cap1841 actually this is usually due to mishaps in old franchises, they often have to go back in time to add context i.e. ac4 being set earlier than ac3 because connor and haythans background needed context, as well as ac rogue because there needed to be a reason why the american assassins chapter fell in the first place,
@@yeoss Except Ubisoft did it way too much. Never thought Spartans were just assassins with heavy armor. There were no consecutive themes in the later games, which would make you say, "how can MGSV have themes." Well, it's a Kojima game and it's there.
I actually thought that was a sound from metal gear. It sounded like an "equip/use item" sound. Figured it was the cassette player indicating the message ended
And this is the last we will ever see of 'Big Boss'. Walking into a blackness that could only be symbolizing the unknown afterlife which everyone and everything will experience. For him, this was it.
@Zovim big boss and venom are two different people they just made venom his memetic copy through plastic surgery and psychotherapy. In metal gear, the very first game in the series before metal gear solid you fight and kill venom snake at the end, then in metal gear 2 you fight Big Boss.
I am a little amazed at how the soldiers of Big Boss are always and completely loyal to their commander. Remember at least that mission in the infected zone(and even though we played for a non-real Naked all this time, the soldiers still considered us to be him). And even here, it would seem that the Big Boss erased the memory of his soldier, and changed them to his own, that is, completely destroying his own 'I'. And after that, this soldier is not angry with his Commander, he is happy about it...
That's the thing about Big Boss. His status, all the legend behind the greatest soldier of the 20th century made him an almost religious figure to soldiers all over the world, who see fight and even die for Big Boss as the greatest honor they could possibly be granted. That's exactly why Major Zero wanted to keep Big Boss on the Patriots so much, because he was this legendary icon that would benefit the Patriots so much. After all, what soldier in the world would be crazy enough to not fight in the same organization or for the same ideals as the legend Big Boss? But other thing about Venom, aside from his loyalty to Big Boss, is that he and the real Boss looked quite close to each other. Not at the level of friends, but Boss himself says that Venom was the BEST soldier in all the MSF. Having such recognition by the legend himself, it wouldn't surprise me if Big Boss perhaps took Venom under his wing during the Peace Walker Incident and they developed some mentor/pupil relation. Who knows?
@@oce1989 U can't understand the magnitude of this game. Once you realize Venom Snake is under hypnagogia and brain wash then you will understand the game and with it the reasons about the voice of BB is not played by David Hayter and other more important things than only the voice of the main guy. Even the first mission is not a real mission, Indeed Manthis had a horn (other sign about being in hypnagogia 'cause mantis), no one's known all the lure about mgsv, but a thing that everyone can be sure, Mgsv is a quite creepiest, freakiest, deepest game in the whole franchise and Kojima knew that this game was the last game, and that reason given him the right to make his masterpiece. All the bois forgot the fact that mgsv is not a simple mgs game, it's a masterpiece and you must to see all the details because you won't know what is real and what is not. It's my opinion, and to be honest, I was like you, but after watching and reading videos and articles 'bout mgsv and playing it lotta times, my only answer about how to make a game it's gon be say this game's name.
i honestly think venom by far is one of the best if not one of the strongest snakes it took guns and explosives to take down venom snake in mgs1 but it only took a self made flamethrower to take out naked snake in mgs2. idk but i think that shows how good venom truly was
Also, venom is honestly morally superior. He dreams of a world where soldiers aren't necessary, completely opposite of naked's ideals.
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big boss got rusty that's why. He was out of the battlefield for more than 20 years, and just being a politican. Venom was on action for more years than boss ever was. Big Boss still had the superior genes but he didnt use them to its fullest extent.
Why are we comparing strength bruh Big Boss literally caught and lifted the entire weight of zeke which is supposedly 500+ tons in PW venom doesn't come close
the one who killed venom snake is solid snake because he thought that it was the real big boss and you can play the fight between v.snake and s.snake in original metal gear in msx
Anjoo Gabriell ツ Phantom Pain’s Big Boss was the medic from Ground Zero. He was surgically changed to look like the real Big Boss, his voice was changed, fake memories were implanted, and he was hypnotized. He dies in the original MG game.
So for the people whos wondering why they're calling venom a "Legend" is because hear me out.. Venom is called a "Legend" because while the real BB hides and builds outer haven,venom was risking his life by baiting the real BBs enemy and fighting just so the world's thinks his the real snake which made him more of a Legend than naked snake (John/Jack/Big Boss)
He gave everything - his entire past and life to protect Big Boss’s namesake, and he carved his own path at the same time changing the world and the legacy of the Boss forever
how come whenever he punches a mirror he gets to see big boss but when i punch a mirror all i see is a wall and my mom shouts at me for breaking something
after he flips the tape and inserts it the scene pans to a dark side behind the cassete player. the ending sound of the tape playes as the blue light flashes - alerting the imminent destruction of outer heaven. venom snake is seen with his appearance 10 years later, before he smashes the mirror out of anger and regret at where it all began, when he realizes the boss's plans as he goes out to confront snake to meet his imminent demise. he still went with his mission throughout the end, just like the original boss.
Lol he wasnt doing nothing you know. He was trying to uncover the patriots and eventually they captured him. In mgs 4 after you destroy the final AI Big Boss is released by the patriots and explains his absence to solid.
@@solidus1995 wrong, you are mixing things, one thing is big boss going underground and placing the medic as him for the medic to get the attention and for him to work in the creation of Outer heaven, all that happened in a lapse of 11 years, from 1984 to 1995. the Outer heaven uprising happened in 1995, in that moment Big Boss was commanding Foxhound so that means at some point (who knows when) he went out of hiding, it is unknown who else knew there were 2 big bosses aside from Ocelot and Miller and Zero if he was still concious, Maybe Frank Jaeger as he was sent as a foxhound operative and then he got captured. what you are stating about the patriots capturing him was in Zanzibar Land, 4 years after what happened in Outer Heaven
The way I've interpreted this scene is. On the back wall while big boss reveals that venom is his double, the diamond dogs logo is on the door. When he goes to put in the intrude tape the logo become and outer heaven logo. The way I see it, venom knew he wasn't big boss for about 10 years, while he was still operating diamond dogs, when we see the outer heaven logo on the door, its ten years later and venom is about to face solid snake during operation intrude. Venom sees the reflection, his counterpart, the real big boss. He sees him for what he truly is, a demon. V punches the mirror to wipe away all of that, and sees his true reflection, the non demon snake. He walks away into the darkness as he goes to take on solid snake. Thats just an interpretation.
Yes! Thank you I thought I was the only one it just feels like that's what we're seeing and with the game not being 100% complete I feel These last cutscene would have been longer especially when he punched the mirror, it's as if venom is relistening the tapes and realising he was betrayed by naked snake and was just another pawn in the boss and zeros game, knowing that big boss has sent someone I.e solid to erase him before he becomes a major threat to his plans. Venom for me is by far one of the most complex characters who's story isn't even fully fleshed out which is sad, shame on you Konami
@@spikey288 Seeing this 2 years later and I'm dead laughing. Indeed, he knew he wasn't naked... Litteraly XD Joke aside, I think that's precisely because of the dummy minds such as mine who easily get the wrong idea off of a sentence haha.
fuckin goosebumps dude, its not an exaggeration to say that this is one of the greatest moments put on screens, games, cinema, tv... what a beautiful scene
I think people misunderstood this scene, the way I see it is that Venom snake is absolutely not happy with big boss at the end and him smashing the mirror shows this. I’ve always thought as the reflection as the real Big Boss staring back.
@@jciehxudhdudhdw At first (2:36), Venom was proud to take the role of Big Boss. Then fast forward 10 years later, figuratively covered in bloods (3:43), He was angry now he sees how ugly it became.
Phantom pain is a painful sensation that seems to come from a part of the body that no longer exists (it has been amputated due to injury or illness). Venom Snake feels the pain of losing his lost memories, replaced by the memories of Big Boss... It's like a hand that has been replaced with a biorhandle. Probably "Demon Snake" is the personification of Phantom pain... the pain of loss... soldiers, Paz, and memories. After all, 'Demon Snake' appears exactly when Venom personally kills his soldiers. And although the memories and soldiers can not be returned, Venom still gets rid of the pain when he breaks the mirror, realizing who he is.
Venom Snake BB on his story, and Naked Snake becomes a phantom, the game is about the pain of the phantom, be it Naked Snake, be it Venom Snake, forced to live as a phantom, a shadow without his own history, his own indentity, a true phantom alone with his pain.
something i also noticed is that the mirror reflection of him is like looking at a snake, because the eye patch in the reflection is the wrong side (like solid snake with the solid eye) but when he smashes the mirror out, it becomes just the image of big boss walking away into the smoke i interpret this like venom is the true big boss, in his mind at least, and maybe even kojimas. like he’s the one who actually fought in the dirt and blood with his brethren and is a true leader. the actual bit boss is a distorted version of jack that the boss (joy) would never want him to be. but venom is exactly the kind of man joy hoped he’d become.
My theory here is the Phantom Big Boss (Venom) becomes evil after the recording as you can see his reflection become bloody and his horn elongated. This would explain how evil he is in the original Metal Gear on the NES.
This sins the average person commits on a regular basis are already sometimes crushing for us to deal with. Games make it seem like nothing, but the brutality that Venom witnesses daily is so much more than you and I see. Death and pain and loss constantly, and V is made to be the perpetuator of it. Thats a heavy burden. MGS has always poked at its audience for enjoying the killing, and maybe we are just too desensitized to notice how 'evil' we become taking part in it. Just look at how V smirks when Boss tells him that he is Big Boss. Thats us smirking.
I think about 10 years pass between Phantom Pain and MG1. Considering the drama that occurred for Venom only during the events of TPP, you can imagine what kind of person you may turn into after 10 more years of that.
Not that sad dude had two lives one next to big boss, and one as him. What a sweet thing for the actual boss to tell the medic. He knew it was a shitty situation.
That twist was masterfully executed from the very first time we boot Ground Zeroes to the end of Mission 50. Fits nicely in a story about the pursuit for revenge and rebuilding.
Kojima wants to breed a snake through his audience that will use his ideologies to shape the world. This is the message in all his games, he saying that ANYONE can be snake given that we do things that make us into snake. One of them being through the means of philanthropy, or the formation of a group which aligns with the sons of liberty. We as the players are venom, we created him, named him after us. Big Boss isn't talking to him, he's talking to us. The audience is being manipulated by Kojima through the means of hypnosis just like venom. we arent playing the game, the game has been playing us this whole time. Kojima wants to change the world, through the players, you will see newer and different messages within his new project death Stranding, hes trying to tie his games to other forms of expression such as music, movies, video games, persons of influence etc. we will all find out soon
@Brett Yarborough It is hard to compare these two games. MGS series was made over near two decades and surely it garnered massive audience and with that some bias. MGS is over, maybe Konami will use it in future but without Kojima it will be at best generic stealth shooter, without intricate touches and most important meta narration. DS is really fresh and about completly different topic and surely it has its own share of problems, it is not for everyone but it shows mastery of Kojima, how it is ahead and doesn't run from trying new things that in end make many people be fond of it. I enjoyed this game a lot, finished after 70 hours and still have many more things to do and find. What I wish is to see series from Kojima, now that he is man of his own he could make new series, maybe next will be horror, but surely we will see it one day.
I was so stunned when this scene happened. I was litterly jaw opened the whole time. It made sense why "big boss was the badguy" before. Super epic. Even though kojima was rushed as hell he still made a epic conclusion to big boss.
So this guy was a medic? Who was forced to take the identity of The Greatest Soldier of all time? Somehow a random medic can do the same things as the original Big Boss?
Camera Man Deavon while he was on a coma, Big Boss’ experiences and memories were in constant replay in venom snakes mind slowly brainwashing him into thinking those were his and that he was THE Big Boss. Big Boss specifically chose him because he was the best soldier he had with the highest potential, I’m sure he actually taught him something personally.
I looked up to you Boss. You shielded yourself with the innocent while you slithered away...leaving a hollow phantom to take your place. On one hand, I'm disgusted and betrayed... Yet on the other hand... *well played, Boss* . This may have been your most brilliant act of deception. "Snake's greatest sneak", if you will. To be placed in your shoes? There was no higher honor.
A loyalty men! A fake boss created by zero to protect the real boss but in the end, he's not mad with the boss to discover the truth. In fact is happy and feel honored to be the image of your master and mentor. Is sad in your real world we don have people like big boss, venom snake and solid snake. all fighting for a purpose, for a better future for all.
What I would have preferred is that Venom was played by Kiether and Big Boss was played by David. Also I need to know what song plays in this scene! It is so epic
Venom Snake is the real Big Boss. The term big boss was given to naked snake by others. But the only person who is called Big Boss by Big Boss is... Venom himself. Get it?
We love some games due to the nostalgia it gave us and it will always be one of the best game in our mind. This game made me realise that there are some games that will connect with us, minus the nostalgia factor.
Man, MGS is such an amazing series, but story is a big part of it, so having the ending of Phantom Pain spoiled (not this video, I just randomly stumbled upon a video with a very straight forward title) was so crushing, and drained all of my motivation to play the game.
Here's what I got, big boss (naked snake) left his mark or his lingering venom to do the dirty work while building his true outer heaven.An idea distorted by naked , the boss, and maybe even the sorrow.
I feel like it's a twist and then the game was supposed to go with a final boss battle against solid snake wich we will obviously lose and the game truly ends
Kojima est un génie. Venom Snake qui encode sur un Sony MSX les infos de l' Operation Intrude N313". Nom de la mission du premier jeu Metal Gear sorti sur MSX2. 😊
As Venom stares to the mirror, he sees the demon he will need to become to finish the task passed on to him. He has merely shared the title of Big Boss. To become Big Boss, he will need to live a life of endless battle, to strip away his humanity. All in the name of vengeance. He shatters the mirror in an attempt to push his fears aside, but he can only give a new face to the Demon of Outer Heaven.
Ada yang mengatakan kalau ini prolog dari Metal Gear Solid 1, dan suara senjata dari kejauhan di awal scene itu adalah David (Solid Snake) yang sedang mencari Venom Snake
Venom snake is the big boss you face in the original NES games and i still think hes the body in mgs4, not the big boss clone from mgs2 and i also think sniper wolf is quiet who had joined shadow moses as a means to kill solid snake for killing venom snake, its why emmerich says she did what she did for love
He isn't really a villain but someone who has no choice but to do his role for the boss but he is really loud with his actions like fighting a metal gear and taking on the russian arming with quiet it makes him my favorite snake of all
he let Huey live as he believe he shouldn't be the judge of a human life. He is a pacifist mostly, and doesn't have much of a choice but to follow Big Boss' plan
3:54 to 4:19 was my favorite part that venom snake smashed the mirror and walked away and took the title of big boss protecting the real snake know as jack from msg 3 operation snake eater
The guy with the bandages on his face at the beginning of the game is Big Boss. The doctors in the hospital used plastic surgery and hypnotherapy to make the medic think that HE was the Boss
Operation Intrude N313 was in the original MG1, where Solid Snake infiltrates Outer Heaven and fights Venom Snake, thinking that he is the real Big Boss. It's most likely a briefing by Big Boss to Venom about the details of the infiltration.
@@Jack-cf7wm so tapes used to be able to transfer data to computers and was sent by certain data tones. That's part of the noise for a modem, so the tape is hooked up to the phone, and the phone is transmitting the data. That's probably the mission confirmation code to start MG1's plan
I love how venom is the one with the most feats and achievements but he's the "fake".
They're both the big boss.
He is a true hero
No. The Phantom is Big Boss. The other can go to hell.
@@travismcnasty51 Agreed. The Phantom is the true Big Boss, not Jack.
@@the-expertstreetb-racer5832 i never finished the game and am barley finding this out. Why is Jack inferior?
@@michaelcarrasco984 Jack or John. Both referred to Big Boss.
Venom is the best snake. He literally gave everything. He is true proof genetics don't matter only experience as would be proven again with solid snake. His story is very tragic.
I am the best snake I changed my life to be a wanted solider that wasent even me , but now I’m big boss and you are too , your comment is 3 months old but sorry to kept you waiting !
Hahaha he is not even a snake.
@@davipenha you miss the whole point of the series. From mgs1 kojima sends the message that genetics do not matter, only experience. Solid got the inferior genes and yet he won out. Venom only had memories implanted and it made him a legend.
David had more in common with big boss despite not getting those superior genes because from what I gather they are of a similar spirit. The just went different paths at that fork in the road.
He can be a legendary soldier, but is not a snake
And the BB killed was the venom
I like it how hes happy that his former commander granted him the title of big boss, Truly deserves it.
sadly solid snake kills venom snake because he though it was big boss which happens in metal gear
Mr. Slayishere you should just say metal gear cause it’s gonna confuse people 😂
@@sly5437 Why do you say that Venom Snake died first? There is some signal for that.
@Little Horn the B side of the cassette “Operation Intrude” is a reference to Metal Gear. So is the Diamond Dogs emblem changing to Outer Heaven. Big Boss dies in that game but is somehow alive in MGS4, this all implies that Venom dies in MG.
@@littlehorn3533 because he did die, have you not play the original metal gear and Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake? The big boss we fought was not the real big boss it was venom snake
"We're both Big Boss, except you have a giant piece of shrapnel sticking out of your forehead"
"We are both big boss, but you look like I'd the devil tripped into a pit of spikes, loser."
@@thesolidestsnake, but at the same time, you look 100 times cooler than me. And your arts is fucking awesome
@@thesolidestsnake, oh and u also have a nice mp3 player.
@@myp3ukgh646 real big boss looks cooler without the dumb spike.
And your missing an arm
Teacher: the test isn't that confusing
The test:
Oh my God rest in peace the legendary dingo
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bassicly venom is a medic from GZ disguised and brainwashed as boss, big boss is dead , medic is alive, and medic became big boss.
@@davionnit5211big boss is alive until metal gear solid 4 tho
@@davionnit5211. He suffers from Disociative Amnesia, so He forgets and choose his identity as the Big Boss, then playing the role of one
I really like the ending of MGS V. Especially when Venom Snake turns on MSX2 with "Operation N313" cassette - in some sense, Venom in the very end of the series starts the whole series again.
Kojima's game is pretty interesting, when the other games is made in a straightforward and chronological timeline, MGS is the opposite. MGS's groove is back and forth where the 3rd game is the story origin, the 4th game is the end, and the last game is actually a prequel to the first game and etc.
@@cap1841 actually this is usually due to mishaps in old franchises,
they often have to go back in time to add context
i.e. ac4 being set earlier than ac3 because connor and haythans background needed context, as well as ac rogue because there needed to be a reason why the american assassins chapter fell in the first place,
@@yeoss Except Ubisoft did it way too much. Never thought Spartans were just assassins with heavy armor. There were no consecutive themes in the later games, which would make you say, "how can MGSV have themes." Well, it's a Kojima game and it's there.
@@cap1841I mean he never intended for the series to always end up like this don't give him too much credit lol
@@cap1841This is the same case with FNAF.
2:44 love how you can hear the steam screenshot sound XD truely an epic expression worth screening
I actually thought that was a sound from metal gear. It sounded like an "equip/use item" sound. Figured it was the cassette player indicating the message ended
after this game, I started taking 1000 screenshots in each game...
And this is the last we will ever see of 'Big Boss'. Walking into a blackness that could only be symbolizing the unknown afterlife which everyone and everything will experience. For him, this was it.
No you see Venom Snake in MG
His last appearance is at the end of mgs4
@@FastBox8110 no.. Thats the real big boss in mgs4 the one in mgs5 is a fake big boss.
@Zovim big boss and venom are two different people they just made venom his memetic copy through plastic surgery and psychotherapy. In metal gear, the very first game in the series before metal gear solid you fight and kill venom snake at the end, then in metal gear 2 you fight Big Boss.
I am a little amazed at how the soldiers of Big Boss are always and completely loyal to their commander. Remember at least that mission in the infected zone(and even though we played for a non-real Naked all this time, the soldiers still considered us to be him). And even here, it would seem that the Big Boss erased the memory of his soldier, and changed them to his own, that is, completely destroying his own 'I'. And after that, this soldier is not angry with his Commander, he is happy about it...
Apparently he volunteered to do it
That's the thing about Big Boss. His status, all the legend behind the greatest soldier of the 20th century made him an almost religious figure to soldiers all over the world, who see fight and even die for Big Boss as the greatest honor they could possibly be granted.
That's exactly why Major Zero wanted to keep Big Boss on the Patriots so much, because he was this legendary icon that would benefit the Patriots so much. After all, what soldier in the world would be crazy enough to not fight in the same organization or for the same ideals as the legend Big Boss?
But other thing about Venom, aside from his loyalty to Big Boss, is that he and the real Boss looked quite close to each other. Not at the level of friends, but Boss himself says that Venom was the BEST soldier in all the MSF. Having such recognition by the legend himself, it wouldn't surprise me if Big Boss perhaps took Venom under his wing during the Peace Walker Incident and they developed some mentor/pupil relation. Who knows?
This scene would have hit a lot harder if David Hayter voiced the tape.
No it would've been more obvious. Would've been able to see the twist coming a mile away.
@@firstlast-oo1he what are you talking about? The tape IS the twist dude.
@@oce1989 if David Hayter voiced big boss then we would know from the beginning that Ishmael was Big Boss not us
@@wellifailed392 agreed. So many things could have been done differently.
@@oce1989 U can't understand the magnitude of this game. Once you realize Venom Snake is under hypnagogia and brain wash then you will understand the game and with it the reasons about the voice of BB is not played by David Hayter and other more important things than only the voice of the main guy. Even the first mission is not a real mission, Indeed Manthis had a horn (other sign about being in hypnagogia 'cause mantis), no one's known all the lure about mgsv, but a thing that everyone can be sure, Mgsv is a quite creepiest, freakiest, deepest game in the whole franchise and Kojima knew that this game was the last game, and that reason given him the right to make his masterpiece. All the bois forgot the fact that mgsv is not a simple mgs game, it's a masterpiece and you must to see all the details because you won't know what is real and what is not.
It's my opinion, and to be honest, I was like you, but after watching and reading videos and articles 'bout mgsv and playing it lotta times, my only answer about how to make a game it's gon be say this game's name.
i honestly think venom by far is one of the best if not one of the strongest snakes it took guns and explosives to take down venom snake in mgs1 but it only took a self made flamethrower to take out naked snake in mgs2. idk but i think that shows how good venom truly was
Also, venom is honestly morally superior. He dreams of a world where soldiers aren't necessary, completely opposite of naked's ideals.
big boss got rusty that's why. He was out of the battlefield for more than 20 years, and just being a politican. Venom was on action for more years than boss ever was.
Big Boss still had the superior genes but he didnt use them to its fullest extent.
@@chickenpurple6704 despite wanting to use child soldiers
Why are we comparing strength bruh Big Boss literally caught and lifted the entire weight of zeke which is supposedly 500+ tons in PW venom doesn't come close
@yep. Perfect example of hard work beats god given talent if that talent doesn’t work hard
they should have kept david hayter as big boss and kiefer for venom snake
Why did Kiefer voice snake?
@@Red-nl4lk apparently they say hideo was tryna get into movies...Kiefer has way more star power then hayter
I agree with you, but only _in this scene_ cause otherwise the reveal would've been _so_ obvious
@irish mickey cus hayters already gone
@irish mickey your a "twist"
Did anyone else notice that at the start, the door has the diamond dogs logo but after he breaks the mirror it turns into the outer heaven logo.
this logo is made by the player himself. In this game, with the help of Idroid, you can make your own logo from the available emblems and words
Kinda hinted that time have fast forward 11 years later and Venom Snake is heading to fight Solid Snake.
the one who killed venom snake is solid snake because he thought that it was the real big boss and you can play the fight between v.snake and s.snake in original metal gear in msx
JinnyGeyMer u also get the original metalgear solid in the hd edition of mgs3 and 2
@@vertsoni007 Isn't it that shitty port version though?
@@vertsoni007 the he collection? Had mgs1? Really?
@@MrMemetic321 oh y actually dont i was wrong
@@MrMemetic321 i wasnt talking about the mgs1 i was talkih about the original metal gear 1 and 2 not solid
So the whole game we played as the medic?
yes he is the big boss who dies the second time solid snake is sent out to destroy outer heaven
First time actually: the Big Boss fought in Metal Gear 1 is Venom. Metal Gear 2 is the real deal.
@@miles3029 1st
So in metal gear v the phantom pain we control a fake snake? Or the real one?
Anjoo Gabriell ツ Phantom Pain’s Big Boss was the medic from Ground Zero. He was surgically changed to look like the real Big Boss, his voice was changed, fake memories were implanted, and he was hypnotized. He dies in the original MG game.
So for the people whos wondering why they're calling venom a "Legend" is because hear me out..
Venom is called a "Legend" because while the real BB hides and builds outer haven,venom was risking his life by baiting the real BBs enemy and fighting just so the world's thinks his the real snake which made him more of a Legend than naked snake (John/Jack/Big Boss)
He gave everything - his entire past and life to protect Big Boss’s namesake, and he carved his own path at the same time changing the world and the legacy of the Boss forever
He simply did more than Big Boss himself under the Big Boss identity
I loved the Operation Intrude N313 -> MSX "Easter egg" so damn much.
how come whenever he punches a mirror he gets to see big boss but when i punch a mirror all i see is a wall and my mom shouts at me for breaking something
you’re not him
You have yet to earn the title of Big Boss
after he flips the tape and inserts it the scene pans to a dark side behind the cassete player. the ending sound of the tape playes as the blue light flashes - alerting the imminent destruction of outer heaven.
venom snake is seen with his appearance 10 years later, before he smashes the mirror out of anger and regret at where it all began, when he realizes the boss's plans as he goes out to confront snake to meet his imminent demise. he still went with his mission throughout the end, just like the original boss.
@Ronnie Kray what dont you understand?
This is the best scene in the whole game
That "Sony" sign. Kojima was hinting already.
That's a Sony Walkman. It's a cassette player.
kojima was hinting in pw too then
Hinting at what?
@@Freelancer837 hinting at working with Sony on Death Stranding
Sotirios K he worked with Sony on all of the metal gear games before 5
Basically the original big boss wanted to be safe, so he used the medic to do his job
What a coward....
Lol he wasnt doing nothing you know. He was trying to uncover the patriots and eventually they captured him. In mgs 4 after you destroy the final AI Big Boss is released by the patriots and explains his absence to solid.
@@solidus1995 wrong, you are mixing things, one thing is big boss going underground and placing the medic as him for the medic to get the attention and for him to work in the creation of Outer heaven, all that happened in a lapse of 11 years, from 1984 to 1995. the Outer heaven uprising happened in 1995, in that moment Big Boss was commanding Foxhound so that means at some point (who knows when) he went out of hiding, it is unknown who else knew there were 2 big bosses aside from Ocelot and Miller and Zero if he was still concious, Maybe Frank Jaeger as he was sent as a foxhound operative and then he got captured. what you are stating about the patriots capturing him was in Zanzibar Land, 4 years after what happened in Outer Heaven
Actually, it was Zero's idea. Big Boss was still in a coma.
4:11 and off he goes to face Solid Snake.
@Ronnie Kray he literally goes to face solid snake, you can beat him as a boss in the original metal gear for the msx/nes
The way I've interpreted this scene is.
On the back wall while big boss reveals that venom is his double, the diamond dogs logo is on the door. When he goes to put in the intrude tape the logo become and outer heaven logo. The way I see it, venom knew he wasn't big boss for about 10 years, while he was still operating diamond dogs, when we see the outer heaven logo on the door, its ten years later and venom is about to face solid snake during operation intrude. Venom sees the reflection, his counterpart, the real big boss. He sees him for what he truly is, a demon. V punches the mirror to wipe away all of that, and sees his true reflection, the non demon snake. He walks away into the darkness as he goes to take on solid snake.
Thats just an interpretation.
That's an interesting interpretation, you're pretty good....
even to this day, I love vague this is and how it was up to us to interpret the scene
Yes! Thank you I thought I was the only one it just feels like that's what we're seeing and with the game not being 100% complete I feel These last cutscene would have been longer especially when he punched the mirror, it's as if venom is relistening the tapes and realising he was betrayed by naked snake and was just another pawn in the boss and zeros game, knowing that big boss has sent someone I.e solid to erase him before he becomes a major threat to his plans. Venom for me is by far one of the most complex characters who's story isn't even fully fleshed out which is sad, shame on you Konami
You mean to say "knew he wasnt naked". He most certainly is big boss, just not naked snake.
@@spikey288 Seeing this 2 years later and I'm dead laughing.
Indeed, he knew he wasn't naked... Litteraly XD
Joke aside, I think that's precisely because of the dummy minds such as mine who easily get the wrong idea off of a sentence haha.
fuckin goosebumps dude, its not an exaggeration to say that this is one of the greatest moments put on screens, games, cinema, tv... what a beautiful scene
I've watched this at least 20 times.
They had an opportunity here to use David Hayter for the voice of the real Big Boss
At this point Big Boss has aged. It makes sense that his voice would have changed by this point.
Snake’s is figuratively and alternatively a Ryan Gosling “literally me” kind of meaning at this point
The Steam screenshot sound was pretty funny.
Venom snake was in the first metal gear kojima was attempting to make the games come full circle.
I think people misunderstood this scene, the way I see it is that Venom snake is absolutely not happy with big boss at the end and him smashing the mirror shows this. I’ve always thought as the reflection as the real Big Boss staring back.
Nah, I see in that way... when he smahes the mirror he's like "I'm the Big Boss now and at this moment this is my history"
@@jciehxudhdudhdw I guess it’s open to interpretation, I don’t believe he was happy at all at the time of smashing the mirror.
@@SuperTDSmithsame
@@SuperTDSmith
Me too
@@jciehxudhdudhdw At first (2:36), Venom was proud to take the role of Big Boss. Then fast forward 10 years later, figuratively covered in bloods (3:43), He was angry now he sees how ugly it became.
Phantom pain is a painful sensation that seems to come from a part of the body that no longer exists (it has been amputated due to injury or illness).
Venom Snake feels the pain of losing his lost memories, replaced by the memories of Big Boss... It's like a hand that has been replaced with a biorhandle.
Probably "Demon Snake" is the personification of Phantom pain...
the pain of loss... soldiers, Paz, and memories.
After all, 'Demon Snake' appears exactly when Venom personally kills his soldiers.
And although the memories and soldiers can not be returned, Venom still gets rid of the pain when he breaks the mirror, realizing who he is.
Venom snake not only lost his arm he lost himself completely he is ghost of himself and big boss at the same time.
Venom Snake BB on his story, and Naked Snake becomes a phantom, the game is about the pain of the phantom, be it Naked Snake, be it Venom Snake, forced to live as a phantom, a shadow without his own history, his own indentity, a true phantom alone with his pain.
something i also noticed is that the mirror reflection of him is like looking at a snake, because the eye patch in the reflection is the wrong side (like solid snake with the solid eye)
but when he smashes the mirror out, it becomes just the image of big boss walking away into the smoke
i interpret this like venom is the true big boss, in his mind at least, and maybe even kojimas. like he’s the one who actually fought in the dirt and blood with his brethren and is a true leader. the actual bit boss is a distorted version of jack that the boss (joy) would never want him to be. but venom is exactly the kind of man joy hoped he’d become.
Relatable asf
@@Demon_Snake, похуй
My theory here is the Phantom Big Boss (Venom) becomes evil after the recording as you can see his reflection become bloody and his horn elongated. This would explain how evil he is in the original Metal Gear on the NES.
What specifically makes him go evil from the recording do you think?
This sins the average person commits on a regular basis are already sometimes crushing for us to deal with. Games make it seem like nothing, but the brutality that Venom witnesses daily is so much more than you and I see. Death and pain and loss constantly, and V is made to be the perpetuator of it. Thats a heavy burden. MGS has always poked at its audience for enjoying the killing, and maybe we are just too desensitized to notice how 'evil' we become taking part in it. Just look at how V smirks when Boss tells him that he is Big Boss. Thats us smirking.
I think about 10 years pass between Phantom Pain and MG1. Considering the drama that occurred for Venom only during the events of TPP, you can imagine what kind of person you may turn into after 10 more years of that.
@@johnnieboy66 Your life is a complete lie?
It is true when he had to kill his own men he went insane and like he didnt become evil but he just went insane not sure tho
Not that sad dude had two lives one next to big boss, and one as him. What a sweet thing for the actual boss to tell the medic. He knew it was a shitty situation.
I NEVER NOTICED THIS “OUTER HEAVEN” PATCH he is WEARING at the beggining, is this a mod?
Conexão Models no, it's just the emblem he had set when the cutscene occurs.
Nope. The OH patch indicates time has passed and Venom is now leading Outer Heaven.
The only snake without crazy genes that make him powerful.
No genes, no nanomachines, just skill and his bionic arm.
The fact that this scene is before Venom fights Solid Snake is mind blowing ( u can even see the outer heaven logo on the uniform at 0:40).
The emblem on the right sleeve is a customizable patch by the player, I had the MSF skull patch myself
@@alejandrobonilla3049You can also see the outer heaven logo in the door
That medic must be stronger than big boss because he ends up destroying a metal gear
big boss did too
The real Big Boss did too. In fact, a lot of them, including the Peace Walker and Metal Gear ZEKE
Does anyone know what was the real name of venom
Is it Ishmael?
@@Tabish_Nooristani whatever you named him
@@Tabish_Nooristani big boss heh
That twist was masterfully executed from the very first time we boot Ground Zeroes to the end of Mission 50. Fits nicely in a story about the pursuit for revenge and rebuilding.
Kojima wants to breed a snake through his audience that will use his ideologies to shape the world.
This is the message in all his games, he saying that ANYONE can be snake given that we do things that make us into snake. One of them being through the means of philanthropy, or the formation of a group which aligns with the sons of liberty.
We as the players are venom, we created him, named him after us. Big Boss isn't talking to him, he's talking to us. The audience is being manipulated by Kojima through the means of hypnosis just like venom. we arent playing the game, the game has been playing us this whole time.
Kojima wants to change the world, through the players, you will see newer and different messages within his new project death Stranding, hes trying to tie his games to other forms of expression such as music, movies, video games, persons of influence etc. we will all find out soon
"VR huh?"
@Brett Yarborough It is hard to compare these two games. MGS series was made over near two decades and surely it garnered massive audience and with that some bias. MGS is over, maybe Konami will use it in future but without Kojima it will be at best generic stealth shooter, without intricate touches and most important meta narration.
DS is really fresh and about completly different topic and surely it has its own share of problems, it is not for everyone but it shows mastery of Kojima, how it is ahead and doesn't run from trying new things that in end make many people be fond of it. I enjoyed this game a lot, finished after 70 hours and still have many more things to do and find.
What I wish is to see series from Kojima, now that he is man of his own he could make new series, maybe next will be horror, but surely we will see it one day.
bruh
Bruh the fuck???
They played us like a damn fiddle!
For someone who’s not a snake he’s” pretty good “
He is snake tho
I was so stunned when this scene happened. I was litterly jaw opened the whole time. It made sense why "big boss was the badguy" before. Super epic. Even though kojima was rushed as hell he still made a epic conclusion to big boss.
Starting the game by creating an avatar and then totally forgetting about that until seeing him again in the mirror here was mind blowing
Is it strange that after hearing this...that I don't hate Big Boss? I feel the same way Venom Snake does... satisfied
It ain't
I think he felt both pissed and satisfied. Pissed that he was kept in the dark, but also satisfied that his boss entrusted him the legend of Big Boss
Venom is more of a big boss than the real one ever was.
This is one of the greatest twist ever made
Venom Snake is The Big Boss' Doppelganger
The man who abbandoned his identity in order to complete his mission and for the ideals of the man who he admire. Rest in Peace Ahab
One of the hardest fucking scenes
So this guy was a medic? Who was forced to take the identity of The Greatest Soldier of all time? Somehow a random medic can do the same things as the original Big Boss?
Well, to be fair, he was the most skilled soldier in big boss's milicia
he went through brainwashing to live the real bosses memories and learned from that
Nanomachines son! :D
Camera Man Deavon while he was on a coma, Big Boss’ experiences and memories were in constant replay in venom snakes mind slowly brainwashing him into thinking those were his and that he was THE Big Boss. Big Boss specifically chose him because he was the best soldier he had with the highest potential, I’m sure he actually taught him something personally.
Apparently he was not a random medic. Lol he was big Boss's trusted soldier
2:44 lmao he took a screenshot
Venom Snake is we the game players. I love this game
THE SCREENSHOT SOUND WHEN SNAKE SMIRKS IM DEAD 😂😂
How the hell are you going to all of a sudden remember who you really are and not freak the fuck out about having someone elses face.
Hes big boss
@@Icouldntcomeupwithaname1212and you are too
Love the created character the player makes shows up as if it was the us, the player who was Venom Snake.
1:40
It took me a week to finally understand the entire lore
I looked up to you Boss.
You shielded yourself with the innocent while you slithered away...leaving a hollow phantom to take your place.
On one hand, I'm disgusted and betrayed...
Yet on the other hand... *well played, Boss* . This may have been your most brilliant act of deception. "Snake's greatest sneak", if you will.
To be placed in your shoes? There was no higher honor.
A loyalty men! A fake boss created by zero to protect the real boss but in the end, he's not mad with the boss to discover the truth. In fact is happy and feel honored to be the image of your master and mentor. Is sad in your real world we don have people like big boss, venom snake and solid snake. all fighting for a purpose, for a better future for all.
Lol you gave him a butterfly tattoo? Imagine your commander rocking one of those
What I would have preferred is that Venom was played by Kiether and Big Boss was played by David.
Also I need to know what song plays in this scene! It is so epic
It was all a hallucination. We’re still in a coma...
Venom Snake is the real Big Boss. The term big boss was given to naked snake by others. But the only person who is called Big Boss by Big Boss is... Venom himself. Get it?
I love how this also adds a level of meta commentary like original snake is Kojima and is talking to us as like a goodbye of sorts
I can't believe that I was playing as Obama this whole time
We love some games due to the nostalgia it gave us and it will always be one of the best game in our mind.
This game made me realise that there are some games that will connect with us, minus the nostalgia factor.
Anyone can be a hero but anyone can also be a villain
The diamond dog logo turn into outer heaven after he punch the mirror is crazy
Shrapnel in your head and in your heart
Man, MGS is such an amazing series, but story is a big part of it, so having the ending of Phantom Pain spoiled (not this video, I just randomly stumbled upon a video with a very straight forward title) was so crushing, and drained all of my motivation to play the game.
So you haven’t played Phantom Pain?
So is he the final boss of the first metal gear game? If so, then that's freaking cool and that might explain why big boss is back in the second game.
Yes it was venom in the first metal gear
Here's what I got, big boss (naked snake) left his mark or his lingering venom to do the dirty work while building his true outer heaven.An idea distorted by naked , the boss, and maybe even the sorrow.
best metaphor from Kojima, everyone can be the big boss, you are the big boss!
I feel like it's a twist and then the game was supposed to go with a final boss battle against solid snake wich we will obviously lose and the game truly ends
Thats dumb
As much as I like the idea for the MGS3 remake, we REALLY need remakes of the originals: MG1 & 2.
What could have been thanks Konami for ruining one of the best video games series of all time
This cutscene must be few mins bevore he dies
Kojima est un génie. Venom Snake qui encode sur un Sony MSX les infos de l' Operation Intrude N313". Nom de la mission du premier jeu Metal Gear sorti sur MSX2. 😊
As Venom stares to the mirror, he sees the demon he will need to become to finish the task passed on to him.
He has merely shared the title of Big Boss. To become Big Boss, he will need to live a life of endless battle, to strip away his humanity. All in the name of vengeance.
He shatters the mirror in an attempt to push his fears aside, but he can only give a new face to the Demon of Outer Heaven.
Corny asf
Ada yang mengatakan kalau ini prolog dari Metal Gear Solid 1, dan suara senjata dari kejauhan di awal scene itu adalah David (Solid Snake) yang sedang mencari Venom Snake
It's nice to see that ppl changed their minds on Venom Snake, including me :)
Now this answers some questions, but raises more. Such as, which Big Boss taught Sniper Wolf?
Venom Snake is more of a badass than any other character you play as in this series.
Does it bother anyone else that Kiefer Sutherland puts emphasis on the word “Big” in “You’re Big Boss”, and not the word “You’re”
If only hideo had david hayter as BBs real voice talking to V. Makes me sick it wasn't done like that
Hideo Kojima does not like David Hayter at all.
I thought this twist was crazy and changed the franchise. I can see why people dont like it, but i think it works as a great setup for things to come.
Venom snake is the big boss you face in the original NES games and i still think hes the body in mgs4, not the big boss clone from mgs2 and i also think sniper wolf is quiet who had joined shadow moses as a means to kill solid snake for killing venom snake, its why emmerich says she did what she did for love
The body in mgs4 is solidus I believe
@@pepsiman7711 it might be but i like to think that its actually venom who was burned to death in metal gear 2
SENPAI Vincent maybe ill brb gonna play it all again
@@pepsiman7711 well its still sort of my opinion so take it with a grain of salt
SENPAI Vincent we’ll never really know until Kojima finishes mgs( never will happen), and solids story is still unfinished.
Big Boss: so how do i convince venom to die as me?
Ocelot: just tell him he's big boss boost his morale a lil bit.
What a solid way to tell your children they are failures
4:04 the outer heaven logo
Metal gear hasn’t ended we still need to see more of venom snake as he is the most villainous and is more aggressive than all of the snakes
He isn't really a villain but someone who has no choice but to do his role for the boss but he is really loud with his actions like fighting a metal gear and taking on the russian arming with quiet it makes him my favorite snake of all
he let Huey live as he believe he shouldn't be the judge of a human life. He is a pacifist mostly, and doesn't have much of a choice but to follow Big Boss' plan
@@griskykunnn1005 yeah and then big boss fuckin instructs solid snake to kill him
@@wellifailed392 big boss kind of an A hole
@@wellifailed392 Well he didn't think Solid Snake would be able to kill him. He underestimated him because he was told Solid was the "inferior clone".
Chills man, that scene gave me chills
3:54 to 4:19 was my favorite part that venom snake smashed the mirror and walked away and took the title of big boss protecting the real snake know as jack from msg 3 operation snake eater
The thing is, this would tell us that either Big Boss is still in a coma, out of it, or he cloned himself...
The guy with the bandages on his face at the beginning of the game is Big Boss. The doctors in the hospital used plastic surgery and hypnotherapy to make the medic think that HE was the Boss
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Ishmael is not real he is a hallucination. There is tons of proof
@@yoo349 except the tapes that mention how Ocelot instructs Boss to help Venom at the hospital..
PohTrain
The tapes could be one of V’s visions. Just like paz. You never know
@@yoo349 then who the fuck drives the ambulance as you escape
I still say that they should have had David Hayter reprise his role just for that recording, but only the recording. that would have been epic.
bro the title IS a spoiler
so where was the real Big Boss during this whole MGV5 time?
Can anyone tell me what venom does with the "Operation Intrude N313" tape? and what are those devices he insert that tape into?
Operation Intrude N313 was in the original MG1, where Solid Snake infiltrates Outer Heaven and fights Venom Snake, thinking that he is the real Big Boss. It's most likely a briefing by Big Boss to Venom about the details of the infiltration.
@@Jack-cf7wm The device that shows blue light, what is that device? and what is that static sound on the background?
@@DashFactsCentral i don't really know how these tape recorders work.
or what they're even called.
@@Jack-cf7wm so tapes used to be able to transfer data to computers and was sent by certain data tones. That's part of the noise for a modem, so the tape is hooked up to the phone, and the phone is transmitting the data. That's probably the mission confirmation code to start MG1's plan
I wish metal gear 1987 had a remake so we could see ahab's story come to an end in full detail
VENOM SNAKE VS solid SNAKE
That happened