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&ALICENT STARTED IT WHEN SHE WENT BEHIND RHAENYRA's (HER BFF's) BACK AND GOT WITH HER FATHER right after Rhaenyra's mother died. Her fake self righteousness is nauseating. What are you talkin about that you don't think Alicent is at fault?? Are you blinddd. ALSO -- Bastards can be legitimized (as many do in the GoT and Fire and Blood too) House Baratheon is built on a bastard's shoulders fyi. And legitimized bastards can claim the throne. AND REMEMBER WHEN THE NORTH NAMED JON SNOW THEIR KING?? They knew he was a bastard, but they still rebelled against those bullshit norms and made a new norm. And I didn't see anyone being upset about Jon being King of the North. PS-- Daemon's gonna protect Jace, Luce, Joffrey. ALSO Greens only have 3 dragons.
Yall are the only reactors ive seen that caught that vaemond was talking about Rhaenyras kids being illegitimate during laenas funeral which prompted daemon to laugh to take the focus off them
I saw only one other reactor catch it of everyone I watch. I was kinda surprised but also I get when you are reacting for a camera you may miss more lol
@@JoyceReacts its impressive I definitely missed it the first watch I just thought it was some sort of defense mechanism for daemon dealing with the death of his late wife
Oh, thank god they noticed eh? Because it would have been such a travesty that some people might have missed it? So many people here are self congratulating themselves by pointing something out that is somewhat subtler rather than blunt. Do you want a pat on the back?
@@6Rock6God6 Yeah, they literally make eye contact and everything. There was tension in that scene. I'm sure people noticed it, but many people seem to *choose* to ignore the nuances in this show. Did you see some of the Greens vs. Blacks stuff? I thought it was memes, but some people are acting like one side is misunderstood and the other is evil... when the show is arguing that it's far more complicated than that.
Everyone is missing the point. Whether it’s subtle or obvious is besides the point. I’m taking aim at those who feel the need to point out that something is obvious and that people shouldn’t miss it. It’s another way of saying ‘ooh, look what I noticed and you didn’t.’ It reeks of insecurity and is just a pathetic attempt to humble brag by putting others down.
This episode was absolute incredible. That old school Game of Thrones feeling really came back. Everyone stepped up their acting, but I was most impressed with the child actors. I was always pumped for the next episode, but now I'm hooked. Also, the King still hanging in there with his health and the stress from his family during that time period is the craziest part. He said he's going 15 rounds with death.
The old maester who insisted on the leeching died, and the new one became the new great maester. i assume once he took over the treatment, he stopped the infection, but viserys already paid the toll
Rhaenyra's kids are as Targaryen as Alicent's kids. Alicent has 0% Valyrian DNA as did Harwin Strong. There is no reason why Rhaenyra's kids would struggle to control dragons but Alicent's wouldn't. Also, all of the Targaryens here have a significantly higher percentage of Valyrian DNA than Daenerys did and she seemed to do just fine.
The same way that Jon Snow had no claim to Winterfell but Robb, Sansa and Arya did (prior to us knowing the truth of his lineage). It's not so much about controlling the dragons as it is about the legitimacy of blood and lineage
@@unc54 true but it's a boring backward way of questioning their lineage. If you can't control a dragon, you're not a true Targaryen and Valerian. At least that's what the stories seem to say. Kinda like how I thing in the first GoT book, there was some assumption that Tyrion was a Targaryen and that's why the dragons didn't burn him when he went to free them
Rhaenyra's and Daemon's children care about each other. When Jace went to them, they wanted him to stay which shows trust and love within them. Especially when they woke them up to tell them about the dragon and the fight with Aemond
Did you guys notice that the queens daughter "prophesied" that Amon wouldn't get a dragon till he closed one eye in the last episode. She has the power of prophesy. She also said the last king has no legs possibly referring to Bran in the future. Also the king accidentally called the queen Emma
@@Honken55 Aegon is neither last nor, arguably he is a king. Plus the show tries it's hardest to connect to GoT. It is probably the single most cringiest and stupidest part of the show so far. If they had any sense they would try to stay away at least from later seasons yet it those that they reference.
@@alexeyserov5709 He is crowned king and he is the last of alicents children. Also I think the connect it more to the books than the show. Because nothing the say connects with the show ending.....
I’m sure that allicents son Aegon isn’t even the last king called Aegon 🤔 I agree the last king has no legs could mean bran and is a little cringe, however the interesting point is she says the last king, does that mean that after bran the broken there are no more kings, that it is the end of the feudal system in Westeros as because the long night is over they no longer need any king or queen, let alone a Targaryen on the throne?
The wedding of Daemon and Rhaenyra is at Dragonstone and is a Valaryian wedding. It looks like they were cutting their lips with dragon glass and the outfits they were wearing looked in similar style to the dragon tamer outfits
Aemond was the star of this episode. The young actor who played him was amazing and it sucks to see him go but the older actor is gonna kill it as well. He has the look and aemond is only gonna be more of a badass.
I liked aemond in his first scene but really he was kind of a bitch, it's not like they hit him or actually insulted him, and the first thing he does after stealing a dragon from a little girl is insult her dead mom, AT THE FUNERAL
I do think Laenor loved the kids the whole time, similar to being a step dad. The difference is that step dads are (in theory) wholly committed to their partners and their children. Laenor, imo, wasn’t wholly committed because he had the whole galavanting with Qarl thing going on and although he absolutely deserves to be with Qarl as per his arrangement with Rhaenyra, he perhaps ought to have worked on balancing his time between his lover and his wife and (step, sort of-) children. I think that’s what he meant when he was talking about not loving his children enough. He loved them but didn’t give them as much attention as he thinks he could, which is true.
I do love his and Rhaenyra’s relationship. They’re family and they clearly care about each other (not in that way, but it’s still sweet) and they want the other to be happy.
Props to Ser Harold for making sure no one actually drew their sword after Alicent grabbed the knife. The man doesn’t want a civil war to start in his watch!
Episode 6 Alicent to Aemond - You will have dragon one day. Haleana in herself - He have to close an eye. Episode 7 - Don't mourn me mother, It's a fair exchange. I may have lose an eye but I have gained a dragon🐉🐲
36:49 I think that marriage is definitely taking place on Dragonstone not Driftmark. For a couple reasons. First being the Maester that is present is different to the Maester we saw earlier on Driftmark. Another being that this is an Ancient Valyrian wedding that would feel more appropriate on Dragonstone which is also the place where Rhaenyra is currently living.
@@cx60539 in the books they get married secretly on dragonstone, so it should be the same on the show. Also, it wouldn't be such a secretive wedding if they got married on driftmark.
@@cx60539 It would make sense for the episode but not the overall lore. Dragonstone is pretty much right next to Driftmark and having a Wedding on the Island of Corlys right after the funeral of his kids would be weird for him to allow or even weirder if no one saw it/told him. It´s stated in the book that they marry at Dragonstone, so it surely is like that in the show.
Yeah I also really kept my expectations low since the main series got butchered. I'm happy I did though cus I'm absolutely loving it. These showrunners clearly care a lot about the source material and they're doing a great job filling in the blanks from the books. As Larys would say "what a joy to have been wrong!
Fun fact about Dreamfyre, she was originally hatched by aegon the conquerors granddaughter Rhaena, her eggs were possibly sold in essos by Rhaena's GF elissa farman who used the money to build the ship she sailed west of westeros to circumnavigate the globe. She later ended up in Asshai, as her ship was seen in the harbor by Corlys Velaryon. Those eggs are suspected to be the ones daenerys hatches.
Notice how in the last episode when Aemond went to his mother, upset for not having a dragon, his sister Helaena casually said “you’ll have to close an eye” while playing with her insects…
1:12:46 After Visenya (Aegon I's older sister), Vhagar was ridden by Prince Baelon (Viserys and Damon's dad) and then Laena. And to add to the discussion, dragons are not property. The Targaryen have them because they are the only ones that can ride them. That's why is a big issue, at least in the book, that Laena and Laenor have dragons. So, Vhagar was kinda like a companion to Laena and once she died, Vhagar was "free" to choose another one. If Rhaena had the balls to claim it first maybe that shitshow did not have to happen.
@@danimoorehead It is a issue in the political sense of it. Imagine you have the control over all the nukes in the world and only your family have the power do detonate it. Then, suddenly, this other family that have as much money and influence as you also gain the control of nukes as well. It keeps people talking and scheming behind your back.
@@Luke-cu7bf imo it's another way of showing the king's failing health/mental state (other than lost limbs) - he will likely die soon and alicent & otto will be free to more acutely challenge rhaenerya's claim to the throne
Rick is right about the handling of Alicent. She is an extension of the king and marital issues between the king and queen in this time could potentially mean collapse. Also Viserys just isn't that guy. Others would probably want to kill her off but at this point in the story Alicent has a ton of influence. In fact the greens vs the blacks started because it split the court with the greens aka the queen's party and the blacks aka the princess's party. Even in Eastern Asian royal customs they couldn't just get rid of the queens or the queen mothers without there being some extremely complicated process. Also at this point while Rhaenyra is the heir, Viserys is still alive so Alicent's position is unseemly but she's still considered more senior at the moment. Especially since she's also the mother of four of the King's children, two of them being healthy sons. Finally, Viserys just isn't in a position health-wise to severely punish Alicent. They may not be in love but he trusts her and he just reinstated her father as hand which would please House Hightower. Basically, it's not worth the political headache to do something severe about her.
Very true, but Alicent has three sons and one daughter, being Aegon, Helaena, Aemond, and Daeron, the last of which hasn’t even been announced to have been cast yet. Hoping he didn’t get cut 😅
53:30 Daemon has no problem killing people, but not his family. He would never murder the people he considers his family, especially Rhaenyra's children.
he's an evil little shit. He's going to kill more innocent people than very possibly any other Targaryen -- he doesn''t deserve Vhagar and he uses her for cruelty. Lil Hitler shit. (dont "go boyboss" him yet, b/c you'll see). Laena was the best rider for Vhagar.
We see 3 dragons leaving with the ship of Alicent and the King... those are Vhagar the dragon of Aemond, Dreamfyre the dragon of Helaena and Sunfyre the dragon of Aegon. Basically Alicent's children. The wedding is in Dragonstone, some time after the "death" of Laenor.
It’s so great looking forward to going to Westeros every Sunday again. I’m so happy this show has restored some of the love for this world lost from season 8
The thing is, the atrocity of S8 still looms over the show. Every time I see that dagger, or Viserys mentions that prophecy of "Prince that was Promised", I get a little angry
@@arafat9828 I'd recommend checking out Macabre Storytelling's "Game of Thrones Rewrite" series. He dedicates a whole video to each character, rewriting their arcs (usually beginning at the start of season 5) to make them feel more in line with how they started. I've kind of come to view his version as the canon ending, honestly. XD
To me, it looked like the wedding was on Dragonstone. The rocks on Driftmark aren’t that dark and it would make more sense for their Valyrian blood ritual to take place there rather than on Driftmark
Yep, I’m waiting to see what happens with Seasmoke. Spoiler As in the book laenor dies, and one of two bastards found during the dance claims Seasmoke.
@@flamingsmore5904 Yeah, but he does remain rideless for over a decade. I guess Leanor dies in that time so Adam can claim the dragon. (just think of all those fools that tried to claim him before that, not knowing that Leanor is still alive and Seasmoke fried then to a crisp xD)
The opening funeral scene was the very first thing that was shot. So none of these actors played these parts with any of the other actors before this moment. IMO it really helps sell the unease. *ADDENDUM:* All of this was according to the extra bits after the episode.
To be fair, Lord Lyonel knew that Rhaenyra's kids were bastards. If push came to shove I think he would've supported Aegon as well. Remember that in the first episode he was opposed to naming her the heir because it violated tradition and legal precedent.
whoever asked the question about "What is better a experienced Rider or Dragon" is a genius. If you know, you know. A great way of asking that without giving to much.
I want to take some time to praise the editors and all the new organization in these videos, sections, screenshots, I don't know, everything, you can just see the love and the quality, being here since Force Awakens trailers, love you guys.
@@rodgill9376 Which is fair, but not to the harm of another child. The Parent is to be punished if needed, never the child, she went after the kid with a fucking knife like a lunatic…
He went after those kids when Alicent was held back, Daemon stood in his way to protect them and then the other guards had to hold him back. The only reason he said “as your protector” and stopped himself from doing the deed immediately, was because his commander gave him a sharp look before he answered.
I didn't work on the show, and have not seen any backstage interviews about it, but I have done film making and some industry stuff, and the choice to film day-for-night is easy to understand (and this is not a judgement on if it looks good or not). They shot all this on location at the island of Saint Michael's Mount. When films shoot complex sequences in true night, visibility of the subjects is achieved with complex and expensive lighting, often utilizing huge rigs and cranes. There's a good shot of the house at night from Nope going round for reference. For me, to do a night set up at that location was probably over the time/resources they had.
I assumed they did it because of the scenes with Vaghar so the CGI would look better (and yes, less expensive). Once I turned off all of my lights I could see those dark scenes a lot better. I think reactors didn’t like it because they have a ton of lights on them making it harder to see the dark scenes.
@@itss_nattyj right. I didn't bother me so much watching it. I rarely notice stuff in shows that some reviewers get hung up on - wigs, accents, small flaws in cgi, and so on. If the story is good my brain with run with everything and be fine. And yea, I was in a dark room and reactors have the lights on, with flat screens.
Daemon loves the choas. The sister of Aegon is seeing the future through Dragon Dreams. The Targeyreans experience Dragon Dreams. Green Seers are something experienced by the people of the North who worship the old gods, just like the Worging. Worging is something experienced by the Starks.
Personally I think Alicents dad obviously shaped her to become what she is now, but with the past resentment and jealousy she already had for Rhaenyra everything’s just amplified for her.
I find it interesting that people complain about the darkness on this episode, but I watched it on my friend's HDR TV yesterday and it looked perfectly fine.
Oh my god great thanks to the guy who called out aemond being very willing to hit jace on the head. Aemond was well on the way to causing damage, luce just got there first. Aemond isn't some poor kid who got cornered.
There are times I remember this working like Mad Max Fury Road and the opening scene of Jaws. They shot the night scenes during day, and edited in post to look like nighttime. I guess it depends on who's behind the camera and who's editing it
It just makes sense that the wedding of two Targaryens takes place at Dragonstone as it is the seat of the Targaryens. Driftmark and Dragonstone are next to each other on the map. So journey is not an issue to do a spur of the moment wedding.
Aemond is a little bad ass and the kid fight was intense but a little heartbreaking since just hours before that Aemond attempted to look past family drama and offer his condolences.
@@alsndiego97 That’s because the books were from a historian’s perspective. There’s a lot that the writers can do to humanize things and fill in the gaps. They’ve been doing a good job of it
@@erickchristensen746 I agree. It makes it more tragic to see that, whomever one may feel inclined to support, they’re all human beings with their own virtues and flaws. Even Otto, Alicent, and Criston (mostly the latter two) I feel sympathy for who they were, if not who they turned into.
I seen the dagger close up as Rhaenyra remembering the prophecy on the dagger thus her duty in protecting the realm from an upcoming attack (which we know she will never see but she obviously doesnt know that)
This was my favorite episode since battle of the bastards! The only problem with it was the weird color grading since they couldn't actually film in the dark.
Velaryons are not dragon riders, it's all about the Targaryen blood that makes it happen. Laena was a dragon rider because her mother's a Targaryen. That's swhy the Velaryons allied themselves with the Targaryens, they control the see and the Targaryens control the sky. Aemond claimed Vhagar fair and square, she accepted him and they are about to wreck havoc together.
You do realize that the daughters of Laena are also daughter of Daemon TARGARYEN?! And one of them already has a dragon, as shown in the previous episode, when Laena explains to the other daughter that she still could have a dragon because Laena herself only had one at 15. And that daughter is the same that in this episode leads the "rebellion" because she thought it would be Vhagar. Alicent is not even Valyrian if we talk about blood power.
It wasn’t fair and square. The honorable thing to do is to let the mothers daughter try and claim her first. That’s why The eye being lost became the “exchange” cause he did earn his right to ride her in the sense that the dragon accepted him and be passed the first ride. But the idea that he got the CHANCE to ride her before the daughter is not fair. The scenes of him chases the dragon and finding her was shown to emphasize his deep desire and obsession to have one. He clearly didn’t care about honor at this point. It’s brilliant character building to really make us feel the disdain the children will have for one another.
I understand everything, but he literally defended himself from 4 children, took a stone for self-defense, did not hit him first, only hit him when the guy with a knife rushed at him. They literally bullied him as a child. It's the first one. The second one: the king is their father. And he literally considered it unimportant that his son had no eye. But let’s discuss at this moment who named his grandchildren what. The funniest thing about it all is Alicent. Who, because of her father, was forced to marry the king, but... she looked after him, washed him, slept with him (when he had ulcers all over his body, no arms and soon no eye), took care of him. And all she gets in response to the suffering of their common son is attention again to Rhaenyra. I just don’t understand and will never understand people who in this series are on the side of Rhaenyra’s children and Rhaenyra herself.....
42:46 Rick is right, tho. The king's words are absolute. That is why Rhaenyra is the heir, because Viserys said so. If Rhaenyra becomes queen and says "My children are legitimate" then they are. That happened with Ramsay. He got a royal decree legitimizing him and went from Ramsay Snow to Ramsay Bolton.
Yes but that first requires an acknowledgment acknowledgment that the are bastards, is very rare and there’s no way that people would accept it for the heir to the iron throne Rhaenyra’s position is delicate enough as is with all the shit she’s done but straight up admitting to everyone that her sons are bastards but still saying they’ll be king one day when the king has an indisputably legitimate son is on a whole other level Hell Roose didn’t even have Ramsey legitimised until his trueborn son was dead and even then was extremely reluctant to do it
@@hopeaway9485 1 try to sleep with her uncle against her father's clear wishes. 2 sleep with a kingsguard member (both are at fault) at this point if anyone find out she would already be disinherited 3 have not one but 3 bastards while married (I sympathize since she tried with laenor). I know allicent is not innocent but there's no need to ignore rhaes mistakes.
@@leonardoherrera9059 LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO most of what you said is not valid. first of all, she loves daemon, viserys never told her not to sleep with him? either way she DIDNT sleep with him they only kissed and they clearly had feelings from the beginning for each other. viserys only refused daemon to marry her to him because daemon already had a wife. your point is so dumb. 2) She was horny thats why she slept with cole, i don't see what's wrong with that, she was a teen with raging hormones and if she was a man you wouldnt be talking sh*t you're actually funny 🤣
I thought the lighting for the night scenes was actually done pretty well. If you get away from city lights at night during a full moon it can almost look like daylight once your eyes adjust. Shadows are very prominent and sharp. I do night hiking up by the redwoods away from city lights and during a full moon you don't need a second light source. Can see just fine.
You know I get that but the things there's also a score playing and it's not a documentary. Make the lighting so I can see the damn thing on the visual media.
@@nathangonzalez9710 I agree, it could have been a little brighter. I was more referring to the color grading and shadows than the brightness. Although, turning off all the lights in the house to watch this episode definitely helped.
1:04:46 Why does Calvin continue to think that Rhaenyra's kids can't bond with dragons? They are as much Targ as Alicent's kids. Genuinely want to know as I have not read the books.
This episode was by far the best. The only problem was the lighting but other than that everything else was great. Me personally I feel Viserys made a lot of wrong choices that could've prevent many things. One is allowing Otto to manipulate situations to cause problems between Daemon and him. Vserys knew what Otto was yet chose to ignore. Second he could've waited until Laena was age then married if possible. Instead he chose Alicent, giving him more power to conspire. Third I feel if he allowed Daemon and Rhaenyra to marry 10 years ago they could've had legitimate kids which wouldn't have been questioned. GRRM is a genuis for having the characters reject these solutions that would've prevent the chaos to come. Alicent is a victim of her father but she is an adult and Queen and continues to allow her father to make the decisions which is why I'm not on her side. Her decisions are becoming more unstable and she is unraveling day after day.
@@marti9734 He's a random who cares it's a show about fire & blood... for sure there will be deaths! Alicent is crazy and her children are as crazy as her! 🤷🏼♀️
1:12:40 As you guys were discussing Vhagar's past riders I remembered back in episode 4 Viserys mentioning that his father Baelon was Vhagar's rider before he died of a burst belly, after that I assume she went on to be a wild dragon before Laena was the one to reclaim her.
Ngl the shots in this episode were some of the best best shots Cinematography was exceptional ! Either it be the dragon riding shots or the shots in which and Rhynera is entering the scene and Alicent and Sir Criston have the same look with a smirk on their face in one frame
Yes, the dark scenes were indeed filmed during the day. Good catch. Those were the scenes they shot on the first day, and later on in postproduction they decided to make it look like nighttime. Unfortunately, the result wasn't great.
I definitely agree with Eric that from Alicent’s pov it would be maddening to know something that could put her own family in power, know everyone else knows it too, but that no one will act on it because of Viserys and Rhaenyra’s word. But at the same time, it also just adds to Rhaenyra being right about Alicent that her main issue is resentment and jealousy that Alicent plays by their society’s rules and was put in a situation she didn’t want to be in, sacrificing her own wishes, while Rhaenyra gets the privilege to do what she wants with no real consequences to her position, again because of her and Viserys’s word. It’s like Alicent is partially a symbol for self-righteous people, religious or otherwise, who are mad at the way their life turned out even though they “did everything right” and that other people don’t live like them.
The Valyrian steel dagger is more than just a GOT Easter egg. It has the song of ice and fire prophecy carved in runes on the blade that appear when held in the fire. Viserys showed Rhaenyra when they were standing in front of Balerion's skull.
It absolutely was the plan all along. You can tell when you go back to the scene with Rhaenyra and Daemon discussing it beforehand. It's very subtle, so it's easy to miss the first time, but once you know what they did, you understand the conversation better.
I find it kinda funny that Rhaenyra avoided committing murder by… ordering a different murder. Like, from the perspective of the audience we care more about Laenor than this rando no-name character who died in his place, so we’re just happy he’s not really dead, but objectively it’s still a heinous crime they committed in cold blood lol, even if the victim wasn’t their relative.
@@Wolf6119 From a audience perspective if she actually killed Laenor for real just to be with Daemon no one would like her character. Laenor is clearly a good guy, killing him would make her character too savage. I was already like screw this bitch thinking she actually had him murdered.
@@sh0cktim3 But that's just my point - in either case, Rhaenyra has just had a man murdered for nothing other than her selfish desires and ambitions. The audience is inclined to care less because it ended up NOT being Laenor, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter that much, because it still points to the same negative qualities in Rhaenyra that she's willing to stoop so low. Alternatively, they could have just not had her involved at all and had Daemon bump off Laenor on his own initiative, like in the book, if they wanted to keep her hands actually clean.
@@Wolf6119 It’s not entirely dissimilar from Robb Stark ordering a couple thousand men to march to their deaths simply to distract the Lannister army from the main Stark force. Sure, the soldiers signed up for war. But more people died than the single one that Rhaenyra killed. The manner of this one death is more immoral of course, but it’s one death. What’s worse? A question for the ages I think.
In one episode of the behind the scenes, the creators said that in this world there are only 3 sources of light: the moon, the sun and fire. So I guess that it was easier to shoot the beach scenes at day and then color grade them, than shooting them at night, as there would be no source of light. Any light would feel artificial and therefore break the rule? That's what I think at least.
DandD made the lighting choices for the long night, so stfu lmao. Also this was shot in the day and you could clearly see EVERYTHING CRYSTAL CLEAR. Nothing like 8x3. I had no problem whatsoever seeing anything. If anything I thought it was way too bright for nighttime.
The change from the book for that ending twist was amazing, it still keeps the perceive event as it is while still surprising both readers and non readers of the source material. Also I have to give the young actor of Aemond a lot of credit for delivering on that line. Now I hope his new actor can do the same for another great line in the future 💯😈
Except it messes up the lore that dragons can only have one rider💀 if he lives then no one else can ride seasmoke. Which is in direct conflict with cannon in the book.
@@samscholz5024 Remember he's going to the stepstones with Qarl to fight, so there's a chance he will most likely die there. We already know Corlys is heading there next episode so he might see his son there as well.
@@timothypolanco8622 needless and irrelevant complexity. It’s a pointless change that has no benefits to the story (since he will just die off screen) and it creates needless issues with the cannon lore. So now he dies off screen when he could have just died in the fight like how it is in the books.
It seemed really dark watching this, but the beach scene was easily watchable on my TV. Also i assume the kings daughter has dragon dreams as she prophesied her brother losing an eye and gaining a dragon. Edit: Im so glad Eric is standing up for Alisent, i feel like so many people are watching this and judging everything through Rhaenyra eyes as if she is the hero of the story.
You guys are kind of misinterpreting the moment. It's not quite treason what Alicent did when she took Viserys knife. Alicents reaction is easily dismissed as a mother's anger over the disfigurement of her child. And she clearly made it plain that she wanted the eye of Lucerys Velaryon in return so she's not going to be accused of murder at all because no lord in that room will see it that way. They will only see an angry mother trying to take the eye of the child that took her child's eye and for that it is not treason what she did here. What IS treason and by far the most severe crime committed is Aemond accusing Rhaenyras children of being bastards. What is equally considered treason and what kind of Trumps the accusation is the fact that her kids actually are bastards. So their very existence is proof of Rhaenyras own treason. But anyways no. It's not exactly treason what Alicent did in that moment. Sure as shit tailed the line about as close as you can. But not quite crossed it.
@Vegvisir92 tecnically the King never ordered her to do shit. He ordered her Kings guard to stand down and he did, then she took the knife to claim Lucerys eye herself which is easily dismissed as a woman consumed by a mother's anger over the disfigurement of her son. A pretty reasonable thing to get pretty angry over. Not exactly treason. Not exactly disobeying the King. What IS treason and by far the most serious crime that night is the allegation that Rhaenyra's children are bastards. Alicent would be in way worse shit if Aemond outed her not just to the King but if he outed her in front of all the lords as the one who uttered the treasonous slander, she'd be fucked. One thing to say treason in private, another to be caught out in the open. This is why Aemond lies and says Aegon said it instead. Then Viserys gives an order to the entire room, but subtextually specifically to Alicent that if anyone "speaks" of this treason again that they would have their tongues removed. Which is Viserys laying down the law in front of the lords to accept Rhaenyra's children as trueborn. Viserys knows a civil war is coming as his life is nearing its end, you can hear the desperation in his voice as he pleads with his family to get along as the infighting is undoubtedly leading them to war when he dies. But bottom line. No. What Alicent did is technically not treason
It always amazes me that Blind Wave is able to pick up on stuff so many reactors miss, like Vaemond throwing shade at Rhaenyra or the page being Laenor's death double... ...but ask them to name a character in any given show, and the gods flip a coin! -A weighted coin on the tails side!-
The person on left side(from my perspective) the one with blonde short hairs who supported Alicent, man you are 100000% right ✅️ don't let all these people change your mind...you r right man u r right 😃
Gosh Aemond has really impressed me so far. There are members of House Targaryen that are weak or craven, and then there are those like Aegon The Conqueror, Visenya, Daemon, Rhaenyra, and Daenerys. I knew from the moment he took one step in Vhagar’s direction (let alone dare to approach her and even claim her) and saw him fly without being fastened to the saddle while the same theme that played when Daenerys proved herself in her story played in the background that he was a true Targaryen.
One thing to clear out about dragons is that, Dragons are not something like a property or materialistic object that somebody or a family owns, The moment Laena died Vhagar is free from bounds and can accept whomever she wants to become her Rider, Vhagar accepted Aemond as her rider and the problem was that laenas daughter somehow thought that she owns the dragon cause her mother was the rider which is bullshit.
Ofcourse the King knew but he's turning a blind eye mainly because of what he screamed during the confrontation. He said "We are family!" which I translated as it doesn't matter if they were bastards because they are sons of Rhy. He was even exhilarated when Rhy proposes to combine their families through marriage. What he's really blind to is the fact that Alicent sees only what his father fed to her from the beginning so she doesn't see what he'd always wanted (for them to be a family). Rhy actually tried mending it with Alicent but she refuses because bitterness is just too deep in her already. She envies what Rhy is capable of getting away with while she upholds the righteousness that limits her to be her true-self.
Rhaenyra had the choice to marry whomever she wanted, Viserys and Alicent didn't care who it was, as long as she married. Rhaenyra could have chosen Harwin, Lannister, anybody; but she abruptly cut the organised tour in half, and went to brothels with his brother and slept with Cole. That's what upset Alicent. Once Viserys saw that Rhaenyra is irresponsible, they brought her the morning tea and forced her to marry Laenor, and Rhaenyra opted to get rid of Otto in exchange. Why wouldn't Alicent be upset over that?
They're prolly on Dragonstone when they were married, since they were doing the Valyrian ceremony it would fit better, plus they had to use the obsidian from it.
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&ALICENT STARTED IT WHEN SHE WENT BEHIND RHAENYRA's (HER BFF's) BACK AND GOT WITH HER FATHER right after Rhaenyra's mother died. Her fake self righteousness is nauseating. What are you talkin about that you don't think Alicent is at fault?? Are you blinddd. ALSO -- Bastards can be legitimized (as many do in the GoT and Fire and Blood too) House Baratheon is built on a bastard's shoulders fyi. And legitimized bastards can claim the throne. AND REMEMBER WHEN THE NORTH NAMED JON SNOW THEIR KING?? They knew he was a bastard, but they still rebelled against those bullshit norms and made a new norm. And I didn't see anyone being upset about Jon being King of the North. PS-- Daemon's gonna protect Jace, Luce, Joffrey. ALSO Greens only have 3 dragons.
Strange how it looked fine on my screen but I don't watch it with studio lights on lol
The reason for the weird lighting is because of the child actors being unable to film at nights
“Fire is a prison and the sea is scape!” Her husband dies in his prison with fire and scapes by sea, just like his sister!
I dont see how armond was wrong in the altercation . Like it was baela who run towards aemond he just pushes her then everyone gang up on him ...
Yall are the only reactors ive seen that caught that vaemond was talking about Rhaenyras kids being illegitimate during laenas funeral which prompted daemon to laugh to take the focus off them
I saw only one other reactor catch it of everyone I watch. I was kinda surprised but also I get when you are reacting for a camera you may miss more lol
@@JoyceReacts its impressive I definitely missed it the first watch I just thought it was some sort of defense mechanism for daemon dealing with the death of his late wife
I thought Chris or Suraj from the normies would’ve definitely caught it but imagine my surprise when they thought it was inappropriate 💀💀💀
That's Smart
I don’t know how people didn’t catch it. It was pretty obvious
Thank god you guys noticed that Vaemond was talking to Rhaenyra with the eulogy, so many people missed that.
Oh, thank god they noticed eh? Because it would have been such a travesty that some people might have missed it? So many people here are self congratulating themselves by pointing something out that is somewhat subtler rather than blunt. Do you want a pat on the back?
@@harifederer its really not subtle
@@harifederer golly you got real mad that someone was happy something was noticed. Not wasted energy at all
@@6Rock6God6 Yeah, they literally make eye contact and everything. There was tension in that scene. I'm sure people noticed it, but many people seem to *choose* to ignore the nuances in this show. Did you see some of the Greens vs. Blacks stuff? I thought it was memes, but some people are acting like one side is misunderstood and the other is evil... when the show is arguing that it's far more complicated than that.
Everyone is missing the point. Whether it’s subtle or obvious is besides the point. I’m taking aim at those who feel the need to point out that something is obvious and that people shouldn’t miss it. It’s another way of saying ‘ooh, look what I noticed and you didn’t.’ It reeks of insecurity and is just a pathetic attempt to humble brag by putting others down.
This episode was absolute incredible. That old school Game of Thrones feeling really came back. Everyone stepped up their acting, but I was most impressed with the child actors. I was always pumped for the next episode, but now I'm hooked.
Also, the King still hanging in there with his health and the stress from his family during that time period is the craziest part. He said he's going 15 rounds with death.
The old maester who insisted on the leeching died, and the new one became the new great maester. i assume once he took over the treatment, he stopped the infection, but viserys already paid the toll
I had total dejavu when I read your comment and then I realized you had written the same thing on Nikki and Steven's channel 😂
Why are you pasting the same comment everywhere
@@jaeger2780
Yeah that would make sense
He looked significantly better this episode last he looked like he was in deaths door
Rhaenyra's kids are as Targaryen as Alicent's kids. Alicent has 0% Valyrian DNA as did Harwin Strong. There is no reason why Rhaenyra's kids would struggle to control dragons but Alicent's wouldn't. Also, all of the Targaryens here have a significantly higher percentage of Valyrian DNA than Daenerys did and she seemed to do just fine.
The same way that Jon Snow had no claim to Winterfell but Robb, Sansa and Arya did (prior to us knowing the truth of his lineage). It's not so much about controlling the dragons as it is about the legitimacy of blood and lineage
@@refilwe9954 The comment was about controlling dragons not legitimacy to the throne. Dragons don't care if you're bastards or not.
@@unc54 true but it's a boring backward way of questioning their lineage. If you can't control a dragon, you're not a true Targaryen and Valerian. At least that's what the stories seem to say. Kinda like how I thing in the first GoT book, there was some assumption that Tyrion was a Targaryen and that's why the dragons didn't burn him when he went to free them
Did Gendry had claim on Iron throne , Ned stark knew about him still choose Stannis as more legitimate Heir , Bastards never sit on thrones.
@@gmr1111 Read the comment again. And if you're still confused read Hemanth Swarna's second comment.
Rhaenyra's and Daemon's children care about each other. When Jace went to them, they wanted him to stay which shows trust and love within them. Especially when they woke them up to tell them about the dragon and the fight with Aemond
Did you guys notice that the queens daughter "prophesied" that Amon wouldn't get a dragon till he closed one eye in the last episode. She has the power of prophesy. She also said the last king has no legs possibly referring to Bran in the future. Also the king accidentally called the queen Emma
More likely refering to her brother than to bran 😉
@@Honken55 Aegon is neither last nor, arguably he is a king. Plus the show tries it's hardest to connect to GoT. It is probably the single most cringiest and stupidest part of the show so far. If they had any sense they would try to stay away at least from later seasons yet it those that they reference.
@@alexeyserov5709 He is crowned king and he is the last of alicents children. Also I think the connect it more to the books than the show. Because nothing the say connects with the show ending.....
@@alexeyserov5709 also she says the last ring not king.
I’m sure that allicents son Aegon isn’t even the last king called Aegon 🤔 I agree the last king has no legs could mean bran and is a little cringe, however the interesting point is she says the last king, does that mean that after bran the broken there are no more kings, that it is the end of the feudal system in Westeros as because the long night is over they no longer need any king or queen, let alone a Targaryen on the throne?
Every member of the main cast of this show deserves all the Emmys. Especially the dragons. Caraxes for Best Actor.
I’m just imagining him waiting to hear his name be called while sitting in a tux. 😂
Caraxes has done nothing of late. Vhagar is carrying the show :P
The dragons are just a perk of the show. Everything else is so much better.
Honestly if theres a dragon that is carrying the show that is Vhagar💘 I love how expressive they made her and the design is SICK
I love Caraxes
36:55 Calvin's hability of being so sure of stuff he does not know (and is often wrong about it) is hilarious
Yeah I love when he's proven wrong about something and he shuts up for a minute lmao. Dude is always so sure about everything.
Every series xD
The wedding of Daemon and Rhaenyra is at Dragonstone and is a Valaryian wedding. It looks like they were cutting their lips with dragon glass and the outfits they were wearing looked in similar style to the dragon tamer outfits
Aemond was the star of this episode. The young actor who played him was amazing and it sucks to see him go but the older actor is gonna kill it as well. He has the look and aemond is only gonna be more of a badass.
I liked aemond in his first scene but really he was kind of a bitch, it's not like they hit him or actually insulted him, and the first thing he does after stealing a dragon from a little girl is insult her dead mom, AT THE FUNERAL
It almost just feels like a flex of sorts like "look how much talent we can squeeze into a season" but it works because the story has set its stride
I just don't like, how adult Aemond looks way older than adult Aegon lol
He came in with so much swagger after his ride with Vhagar. “It’s me”
@@MacCheekz1990 it only works imo, because Aemond is supposed to be more of a badass than Aegon
This show has turned out to be great. Looking forward to every coming episode!
I do think Laenor loved the kids the whole time, similar to being a step dad. The difference is that step dads are (in theory) wholly committed to their partners and their children. Laenor, imo, wasn’t wholly committed because he had the whole galavanting with Qarl thing going on and although he absolutely deserves to be with Qarl as per his arrangement with Rhaenyra, he perhaps ought to have worked on balancing his time between his lover and his wife and (step, sort of-) children. I think that’s what he meant when he was talking about not loving his children enough. He loved them but didn’t give them as much attention as he thinks he could, which is true.
I do love his and Rhaenyra’s relationship. They’re family and they clearly care about each other (not in that way, but it’s still sweet) and they want the other to be happy.
Props to Ser Harold for making sure no one actually drew their sword after Alicent grabbed the knife. The man doesn’t want a civil war to start in his watch!
The fact that the civil war indeed starts right after he leaves his post makes this comment hilarious lmao
Episode 6 Alicent to Aemond - You will have dragon one day.
Haleana in herself - He have to close an eye.
Episode 7 - Don't mourn me mother, It's a fair exchange. I may have lose an eye but I have gained a dragon🐉🐲
Aemond instant new favorite character. But I had little doubts since I loved in the book. I can't help it, hes just THE SHIT
@@marti9734 weird person to like that little creep
Honestly, poor Rhaenys... can't imagine what she must have felt all through this episode.
She couldn’t even grieve her baby daddy
Corlys: history doesn’t remember blood it remembers names
GOT: House Velaryon?
Haha...
It's true.
House Velaryon was without any sort of significant power, wealth or influence after Robert's rebellion.
His statement isn’t untrue. It’s just that certain houses lost significant meaning after the dance of the dragons.
@@siran424 which I find is the tragic part of the whole thing. The Sea Snake’s ambition eventually brought his House’s decline.
they are sworn to Stannis 😛 and lost lot of boats at blackwater to wildfire
@@gmr1111
They weren't even a major naval power then.
Just a minor house with a few boats.
36:49 I think that marriage is definitely taking place on Dragonstone not Driftmark. For a couple reasons. First being the Maester that is present is different to the Maester we saw earlier on Driftmark. Another being that this is an Ancient Valyrian wedding that would feel more appropriate on Dragonstone which is also the place where Rhaenyra is currently living.
@@cx60539 in the books they get married secretly on dragonstone, so it should be the same on the show. Also, it wouldn't be such a secretive wedding if they got married on driftmark.
@@cx60539 It would make sense for the episode but not the overall lore. Dragonstone is pretty much right next to Driftmark and having a Wedding on the Island of Corlys right after the funeral of his kids would be weird for him to allow or even weirder if no one saw it/told him. It´s stated in the book that they marry at Dragonstone, so it surely is like that in the show.
This was the best episode BY FAR. I thought this show would be a dud, I won't lie. And each week I'm more and more surprised at it's excellence.
Yeah I also really kept my expectations low since the main series got butchered. I'm happy I did though cus I'm absolutely loving it. These showrunners clearly care a lot about the source material and they're doing a great job filling in the blanks from the books. As Larys would say "what a joy to have been wrong!
Fun fact about Dreamfyre, she was originally hatched by aegon the conquerors granddaughter Rhaena, her eggs were possibly sold in essos by Rhaena's GF elissa farman who used the money to build the ship she sailed west of westeros to circumnavigate the globe. She later ended up in Asshai, as her ship was seen in the harbor by Corlys Velaryon. Those eggs are suspected to be the ones daenerys hatches.
Daemon just got to watch chaos that he didn't cause for a change 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Notice how in the last episode when Aemond went to his mother, upset for not having a dragon, his sister Helaena casually said “you’ll have to close an eye” while playing with her insects…
1:12:46 After Visenya (Aegon I's older sister), Vhagar was ridden by Prince Baelon (Viserys and Damon's dad) and then Laena.
And to add to the discussion, dragons are not property. The Targaryen have them because they are the only ones that can ride them. That's why is a big issue, at least in the book, that Laena and Laenor have dragons. So, Vhagar was kinda like a companion to Laena and once she died, Vhagar was "free" to choose another one. If Rhaena had the balls to claim it first maybe that shitshow did not have to happen.
interesting. why would it be an issue for laena and laenor, isn’t their mom a targaryen? would their last name matter if it’s a bloodline thing?
@@danimoorehead It is a issue in the political sense of it. Imagine you have the control over all the nukes in the world and only your family have the power do detonate it. Then, suddenly, this other family that have as much money and influence as you also gain the control of nukes as well. It keeps people talking and scheming behind your back.
@@higorximenes9034 oh okay, from the phrasing I thought it was meant to be a problem because of their last name.
People of Valyrion descent can ride them.
@@ladyhotep5189 No they can’t. These ones can because they also have Targaryen blood.
Did they miss when the king called Alicent, Aemma at the funeral?
Just because they don't include a reaction to it doesn't mean they didn't notice. They keep some stuff for the people who pay for full length.
Even I missed that.
someone has yet to give an answer on why that's so important. Makes 0 sense why ppl are pointing that out
@@Luke-cu7bf imo it's another way of showing the king's failing health/mental state (other than lost limbs) - he will likely die soon and alicent & otto will be free to more acutely challenge rhaenerya's claim to the throne
@@kmjkmjkmj I don't see how it's funny then. People are freaking out laughing about it
Fun fact this is the first episode they shot as a series; the bar was set pretty high for everyone to follow 🥶
Rick is right about the handling of Alicent. She is an extension of the king and marital issues between the king and queen in this time could potentially mean collapse. Also Viserys just isn't that guy. Others would probably want to kill her off but at this point in the story Alicent has a ton of influence. In fact the greens vs the blacks started because it split the court with the greens aka the queen's party and the blacks aka the princess's party. Even in Eastern Asian royal customs they couldn't just get rid of the queens or the queen mothers without there being some extremely complicated process. Also at this point while Rhaenyra is the heir, Viserys is still alive so Alicent's position is unseemly but she's still considered more senior at the moment. Especially since she's also the mother of four of the King's children, two of them being healthy sons. Finally, Viserys just isn't in a position health-wise to severely punish Alicent. They may not be in love but he trusts her and he just reinstated her father as hand which would please House Hightower. Basically, it's not worth the political headache to do something severe about her.
Very true, but Alicent has three sons and one daughter, being Aegon, Helaena, Aemond, and Daeron, the last of which hasn’t even been announced to have been cast yet. Hoping he didn’t get cut 😅
53:30 Daemon has no problem killing people, but not his family. He would never murder the people he considers his family, especially Rhaenyra's children.
Did Viserys just forget all the reasons he had for dismissing Otto in the first place
“do not mourn me, mother. i may have lost an eye, but i gained a dragon.” what a badass
I love and hate him. LOL
he's an evil little shit. He's going to kill more innocent people than very possibly any other Targaryen -- he doesn''t deserve Vhagar and he uses her for cruelty. Lil Hitler shit. (dont "go boyboss" him yet, b/c you'll see). Laena was the best rider for Vhagar.
@@RuminatingRaptor Nothing to hate about that young legend
@@RuminatingRaptor he’s too cool to hate for me
this episode was enough for me to put him in my top 3, hes already something else
Little Aemond deserves some. Sort of acting award, he was absolutely brilliant, Rhaenyras boys as well
I think all the kids did amazing here. Though yeah, Aemond’s actor deserves extra praise
We see 3 dragons leaving with the ship of Alicent and the King... those are Vhagar the dragon of Aemond, Dreamfyre the dragon of Helaena and Sunfyre the dragon of Aegon. Basically Alicent's children. The wedding is in Dragonstone, some time after the "death" of Laenor.
It’s so great looking forward to going to Westeros every Sunday again. I’m so happy this show has restored some of the love for this world lost from season 8
The thing is, the atrocity of S8 still looms over the show. Every time I see that dagger, or Viserys mentions that prophecy of "Prince that was Promised", I get a little angry
@@arafat9828 I'd recommend checking out Macabre Storytelling's "Game of Thrones Rewrite" series. He dedicates a whole video to each character, rewriting their arcs (usually beginning at the start of season 5) to make them feel more in line with how they started. I've kind of come to view his version as the canon ending, honestly. XD
To me, it looked like the wedding was on Dragonstone. The rocks on Driftmark aren’t that dark and it would make more sense for their Valyrian blood ritual to take place there rather than on Driftmark
I really just love daemon as a character, he just loves watching the chaos lol. Also I feel like he has his own weird sense of honor
Daemon has no sense of honour whatsoever, lol. He didn't even defend his own daughters during this whole commotion...
he didnt need to defend them they were with their grandparents and protected, he trusts corlys and rhaenys.
Rhaenyra kids have dragons already. They hatched and bonded with them.
Yep, I’m waiting to see what happens with Seasmoke.
Spoiler
As in the book laenor dies, and one of two bastards found during the dance claims Seasmoke.
@@flamingsmore5904 Adam of Hull claims seasmole right? He's supposedly Laenors bastard but is more than likely actually Corlys'
@@GPA_Karting yeah, in the books Addam is laenors bastard, Corly’s just takes him and his brother in and has Rhaenyra legitimise them.
@@flamingsmore5904 Yeah, but he does remain rideless for over a decade. I guess Leanor dies in that time so Adam can claim the dragon. (just think of all those fools that tried to claim him before that, not knowing that Leanor is still alive and Seasmoke fried then to a crisp xD)
The opening funeral scene was the very first thing that was shot. So none of these actors played these parts with any of the other actors before this moment. IMO it really helps sell the unease.
*ADDENDUM:* All of this was according to the extra bits after the episode.
The Strong’s dying is beneficial to Alicent because now the new Lord of Harenhall can pledge his loyalty to Aegon and his claim to the throne.
And the way is cleared for Otto to be restored as Hand, which is an even bigger gain.
To be fair, Lord Lyonel knew that Rhaenyra's kids were bastards. If push came to shove I think he would've supported Aegon as well. Remember that in the first episode he was opposed to naming her the heir because it violated tradition and legal precedent.
@@BucketheadChuck Lord strong is too honorable to change his loyalty after he pledged it to Rhaenyra
@@BucketheadChuck absolutely stupid and wrong, he said an oath to Rhaenyra, he would support the blacks like any good person did
whoever asked the question about "What is better a experienced Rider or Dragon" is a genius. If you know, you know. A great way of asking that without giving to much.
I want to take some time to praise the editors and all the new organization in these videos, sections, screenshots, I don't know, everything, you can just see the love and the quality, being here since Force Awakens trailers, love you guys.
Otto coming back elevates the show yet again. I always feel like you can feel a difference in quality when he’s not present.
eric’s definitely okay with a eye for and eye 😂 he a savage
He has a weird thing with hurting children lmao
@@ducksauce9187 to be fair, I'd be pissed too if someone did that to my child.
@@rodgill9376
Which is fair, but not to the harm of another child. The Parent is to be punished if needed, never the child, she went after the kid with a fucking knife like a lunatic…
@@erickchristensen746 you're not wrong. The whole thing was messy on both sides.
He wont be disappointed Aemond takes 2 eyes for his debt.
Cole not maiming a child on command is the most honorable he's been all series.
He went after those kids when Alicent was held back, Daemon stood in his way to protect them and then the other guards had to hold him back. The only reason he said “as your protector” and stopped himself from doing the deed immediately, was because his commander gave him a sharp look before he answered.
Criston "Incel" Cole. I feel if him and Alicent fucked then it just solve many problems
I didn't work on the show, and have not seen any backstage interviews about it, but I have done film making and some industry stuff, and the choice to film day-for-night is easy to understand (and this is not a judgement on if it looks good or not). They shot all this on location at the island of Saint Michael's Mount. When films shoot complex sequences in true night, visibility of the subjects is achieved with complex and expensive lighting, often utilizing huge rigs and cranes. There's a good shot of the house at night from Nope going round for reference. For me, to do a night set up at that location was probably over the time/resources they had.
I assumed they did it because of the scenes with Vaghar so the CGI would look better (and yes, less expensive). Once I turned off all of my lights I could see those dark scenes a lot better. I think reactors didn’t like it because they have a ton of lights on them making it harder to see the dark scenes.
@@itss_nattyj right. I didn't bother me so much watching it. I rarely notice stuff in shows that some reviewers get hung up on - wigs, accents, small flaws in cgi, and so on. If the story is good my brain with run with everything and be fine. And yea, I was in a dark room and reactors have the lights on, with flat screens.
@@itss_nattyj Vhagar*
Aemond is the MVP of the episode. That child got BALLS and the young actor made an amazing job.
Get ready for Aemond one eye 🔥🔥
He looks so wonderfully unstable in the preview lol. “Nephews!”
@@Wolf6119 Ewen looks perfect for the role 💯
Daemon loves the choas. The sister of Aegon is seeing the future through Dragon Dreams. The Targeyreans experience Dragon Dreams. Green Seers are something experienced by the people of the North who worship the old gods, just like the Worging. Worging is something experienced by the Starks.
Personally I think Alicents dad obviously shaped her to become what she is now, but with the past resentment and jealousy she already had for Rhaenyra everything’s just amplified for her.
I find it interesting that people complain about the darkness on this episode, but I watched it on my friend's HDR TV yesterday and it looked perfectly fine.
Just finished the episode and headed here. Perfect timing.
Oh my god great thanks to the guy who called out aemond being very willing to hit jace on the head. Aemond was well on the way to causing damage, luce just got there first. Aemond isn't some poor kid who got cornered.
i’m glad eric brought up the color grading. i really hate when shows film in the day and fix it in post, it never works.
I feel like they originally intended it to be day, but it ended up not working right, so they had to do the color grading.
There are times I remember this working like Mad Max Fury Road and the opening scene of Jaws. They shot the night scenes during day, and edited in post to look like nighttime. I guess it depends on who's behind the camera and who's editing it
If they filmed this in Cornwall. There is likely too much light pollution to film at night properly.
It was the clouds…the clouds were buttfuck everywhere in the sky smothering the light of the sun. Happens all the time I’m real life guys coke on xD
all the night time scenes in nope were filmed in daylight, it actually made them look better
It just makes sense that the wedding of two Targaryens takes place at Dragonstone as it is the seat of the Targaryens. Driftmark and Dragonstone are next to each other on the map. So journey is not an issue to do a spur of the moment wedding.
Aemond is a little bad ass and the kid fight was intense but a little heartbreaking since just hours before that Aemond attempted to look past family drama and offer his condolences.
Which is sad, and an improvement to the source material. Which presents Aemond as a jag off from the start.
@@alsndiego97 Yea, he's trash.
@@alsndiego97
That’s because the books were from a historian’s perspective. There’s a lot that the writers can do to humanize things and fill in the gaps. They’ve been doing a good job of it
Ikr, which I find really heartbreaking. These kids would have run a successful empire had it not been for their mothers.
@@erickchristensen746 I agree. It makes it more tragic to see that, whomever one may feel inclined to support, they’re all human beings with their own virtues and flaws. Even Otto, Alicent, and Criston (mostly the latter two) I feel sympathy for who they were, if not who they turned into.
Vhagar is like a Godzilla with wings
1:12:47 , VHAGAR's riders:
1) Visenya Targaryen , Aegon the Conqueror's Sister & weilder of Dark Sister Sword.
2) BAELON "the Brave" , King Viserys & Daemon's Father.
3) LAENA VELARYON , Daughter of RHAENYS TARGARYEN & CORLYS VELARYON.
4) AEMOND TARGARYEN.
I seen the dagger close up as Rhaenyra remembering the prophecy on the dagger thus her duty in protecting the realm from an upcoming attack (which we know she will never see but she obviously doesnt know that)
This was my favorite episode since battle of the bastards! The only problem with it was the weird color grading since they couldn't actually film in the dark.
I don't see that as a problem. I loved the lack of lighting. 🤷♂️
11:39 already forgot the burning arrow he took while riding Caraxes.
Idk why but the way Rick said "like a FOX" had me DYING 😂😂 I rewound that so many times.
Was it dragon glass that was used during Daemon and Rhaenyra’s wedding ceremony to cut their lips and hands?
Yes
The beautiful in this scene is seeing a glimpse of shot of future hand of the queen. Corlys velaryon helds rhaenyra’s hand with blood.
oh yea didnt even realize that.
Velaryons are not dragon riders, it's all about the Targaryen blood that makes it happen. Laena was a dragon rider because her mother's a Targaryen. That's swhy the Velaryons allied themselves with the Targaryens, they control the see and the Targaryens control the sky. Aemond claimed Vhagar fair and square, she accepted him and they are about to wreck havoc together.
You do realize that the daughters of Laena are also daughter of Daemon TARGARYEN?! And one of them already has a dragon, as shown in the previous episode, when Laena explains to the other daughter that she still could have a dragon because Laena herself only had one at 15. And that daughter is the same that in this episode leads the "rebellion" because she thought it would be Vhagar. Alicent is not even Valyrian if we talk about blood power.
Wreak*
It wasn’t fair and square. The honorable thing to do is to let the mothers daughter try and claim her first. That’s why The eye being lost became the “exchange” cause he did earn his right to ride her in the sense that the dragon accepted him and be passed the first ride. But the idea that he got the CHANCE to ride her before the daughter is not fair. The scenes of him chases the dragon and finding her was shown to emphasize his deep desire and obsession to have one. He clearly didn’t care about honor at this point.
It’s brilliant character building to really make us feel the disdain the children will have for one another.
@@Southforthewinter But that's not how dragon claiming works. Vhagar belonged to aemonds grandfather, and the dragon chooses how she wants
@@Southforthewinter did lena followed same rule ? Dragon belong to Visereys father before lena
When Corlys told Qarl to retrieve Laenor, I figured he thought Laenor might throw himself into the sea or something.
No. It's because he's gay and he's embarrassed that people will see him crying.
I understand everything, but he literally defended himself from 4 children, took a stone for self-defense, did not hit him first, only hit him when the guy with a knife rushed at him. They literally bullied him as a child. It's the first one. The second one: the king is their father. And he literally considered it unimportant that his son had no eye. But let’s discuss at this moment who named his grandchildren what. The funniest thing about it all is Alicent. Who, because of her father, was forced to marry the king, but... she looked after him, washed him, slept with him (when he had ulcers all over his body, no arms and soon no eye), took care of him. And all she gets in response to the suffering of their common son is attention again to Rhaenyra. I just don’t understand and will never understand people who in this series are on the side of Rhaenyra’s children and Rhaenyra herself.....
42:46 Rick is right, tho. The king's words are absolute. That is why Rhaenyra is the heir, because Viserys said so. If Rhaenyra becomes queen and says "My children are legitimate" then they are. That happened with Ramsay. He got a royal decree legitimizing him and went from Ramsay Snow to Ramsay Bolton.
Yes but that first requires an acknowledgment acknowledgment that the are bastards, is very rare and there’s no way that people would accept it for the heir to the iron throne
Rhaenyra’s position is delicate enough as is with all the shit she’s done but straight up admitting to everyone that her sons are bastards but still saying they’ll be king one day when the king has an indisputably legitimate son is on a whole other level
Hell Roose didn’t even have Ramsey legitimised until his trueborn son was dead and even then was extremely reluctant to do it
@@jonasquinn7977 "all the shit she's done" what has she done? yall so weird
Power lies were men reside . As you will see later this season
@@hopeaway9485 1 try to sleep with her uncle against her father's clear wishes. 2 sleep with a kingsguard member (both are at fault) at this point if anyone find out she would already be disinherited 3 have not one but 3 bastards while married (I sympathize since she tried with laenor). I know allicent is not innocent but there's no need to ignore rhaes mistakes.
@@leonardoherrera9059 LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO most of what you said is not valid. first of all, she loves daemon, viserys never told her not to sleep with him? either way she DIDNT sleep with him they only kissed and they clearly had feelings from the beginning for each other. viserys only refused daemon to marry her to him because daemon already had a wife. your point is so dumb. 2) She was horny thats why she slept with cole, i don't see what's wrong with that, she was a teen with raging hormones and if she was a man you wouldnt be talking sh*t you're actually funny 🤣
(Vhagar flies through Seagulls) I'm starting to think this day-for-night filter was a last-minute addition...
I thought the lighting for the night scenes was actually done pretty well. If you get away from city lights at night during a full moon it can almost look like daylight once your eyes adjust. Shadows are very prominent and sharp. I do night hiking up by the redwoods away from city lights and during a full moon you don't need a second light source. Can see just fine.
You know I get that but the things there's also a score playing and it's not a documentary. Make the lighting so I can see the damn thing on the visual media.
@@nathangonzalez9710 I agree, it could have been a little brighter. I was more referring to the color grading and shadows than the brightness. Although, turning off all the lights in the house to watch this episode definitely helped.
Hell no it was horrible before he mounted the dragon. I hate when they make it pitch black
@@marleymarsss The lack of lighting is actually one of my favorite parts of the show. Especially this episode. 🤷♂️
1:04:46 Why does Calvin continue to think that Rhaenyra's kids can't bond with dragons? They are as much Targ as Alicent's kids. Genuinely want to know as I have not read the books.
This episode was by far the best. The only problem was the lighting but other than that everything else was great. Me personally I feel Viserys made a lot of wrong choices that could've prevent many things. One is allowing Otto to manipulate situations to cause problems between Daemon and him. Vserys knew what Otto was yet chose to ignore. Second he could've waited until Laena was age then married if possible. Instead he chose Alicent, giving him more power to conspire. Third I feel if he allowed Daemon and Rhaenyra to marry 10 years ago they could've had legitimate kids which wouldn't have been questioned. GRRM is a genuis for having the characters reject these solutions that would've prevent the chaos to come. Alicent is a victim of her father but she is an adult and Queen and continues to allow her father to make the decisions which is why I'm not on her side. Her decisions are becoming more unstable and she is unraveling day after day.
From what i saw you were the only reactors who uderstood Criston Coles reply "as your protector"
I’m 100% team Rhaenera & Daemon! They are the best! 🔥🔥🔥 And I love their children! ❤️🔥🙌🏻
They are the best especially for killing an innocent servant lol
And half the fandom act like the green are the devils loool
@@marti9734 He's a random who cares it's a show about fire & blood... for sure there will be deaths! Alicent is crazy and her children are as crazy as her! 🤷🏼♀️
@@marti9734 At least they not hypocrites like Alicent pretending too be innocent
@@bullymccguire did you just compare hypocrisy to murder LMAO
@@sweetnasty2423 meanwhile Otto Hightower: "Hey, lets kill Rhaenera like we killed Strong before"
1:12:40 As you guys were discussing Vhagar's past riders I remembered back in episode 4 Viserys mentioning that his father Baelon was Vhagar's rider before he died of a burst belly, after that I assume she went on to be a wild dragon before Laena was the one to reclaim her.
daemon would never allow anyone to claim his kids as their own though no chance
The whole dragon scene was one of if not the best of the entire series (game of thrones included)
Ngl the shots in this episode were some of the best best shots
Cinematography was exceptional !
Either it be the dragon riding shots or the shots in which and Rhynera is entering the scene and Alicent and Sir Criston have the same look with a smirk on their face in one frame
Yes, the dark scenes were indeed filmed during the day. Good catch. Those were the scenes they shot on the first day, and later on in postproduction they decided to make it look like nighttime. Unfortunately, the result wasn't great.
I definitely agree with Eric that from Alicent’s pov it would be maddening to know something that could put her own family in power, know everyone else knows it too, but that no one will act on it because of Viserys and Rhaenyra’s word. But at the same time, it also just adds to Rhaenyra being right about Alicent that her main issue is resentment and jealousy that Alicent plays by their society’s rules and was put in a situation she didn’t want to be in, sacrificing her own wishes, while Rhaenyra gets the privilege to do what she wants with no real consequences to her position, again because of her and Viserys’s word. It’s like Alicent is partially a symbol for self-righteous people, religious or otherwise, who are mad at the way their life turned out even though they “did everything right” and that other people don’t live like them.
Emma's (Rhaenyra) Valyrian is silky smooth.
"Fuck tent on the beach" omg. 🤣 🤣
The Valyrian steel dagger is more than just a GOT Easter egg. It has the song of ice and fire prophecy carved in runes on the blade that appear when held in the fire. Viserys showed Rhaenyra when they were standing in front of Balerion's skull.
everyone wanna tell Viserys his word is truth until he says "idc that they're bastards lmao"
Apparently the dead body was the guard that Daemon did the neck snap on. So, apparently the plan all along was to fake his death.
It absolutely was the plan all along. You can tell when you go back to the scene with Rhaenyra and Daemon discussing it beforehand. It's very subtle, so it's easy to miss the first time, but once you know what they did, you understand the conversation better.
I find it kinda funny that Rhaenyra avoided committing murder by… ordering a different murder.
Like, from the perspective of the audience we care more about Laenor than this rando no-name character who died in his place, so we’re just happy he’s not really dead, but objectively it’s still a heinous crime they committed in cold blood lol, even if the victim wasn’t their relative.
@@Wolf6119 From a audience perspective if she actually killed Laenor for real just to be with Daemon no one would like her character. Laenor is clearly a good guy, killing him would make her character too savage. I was already like screw this bitch thinking she actually had him murdered.
@@sh0cktim3 But that's just my point - in either case, Rhaenyra has just had a man murdered for nothing other than her selfish desires and ambitions. The audience is inclined to care less because it ended up NOT being Laenor, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter that much, because it still points to the same negative qualities in Rhaenyra that she's willing to stoop so low.
Alternatively, they could have just not had her involved at all and had Daemon bump off Laenor on his own initiative, like in the book, if they wanted to keep her hands actually clean.
@@Wolf6119
It’s not entirely dissimilar from Robb Stark ordering a couple thousand men to march to their deaths simply to distract the Lannister army from the main Stark force.
Sure, the soldiers signed up for war.
But more people died than the single one that Rhaenyra killed.
The manner of this one death is more immoral of course, but it’s one death.
What’s worse?
A question for the ages I think.
In one episode of the behind the scenes, the creators said that in this world there are only 3 sources of light: the moon, the sun and fire. So I guess that it was easier to shoot the beach scenes at day and then color grade them, than shooting them at night, as there would be no source of light. Any light would feel artificial and therefore break the rule? That's what I think at least.
I could tell pretty quickly it's the same director that directed the long night, apparently they didn't hear all the feedback about it being too dark.
Oh they heard it, they just don't care and are angry at the valid criticism. After the long night, the director just told people to get bigger tvs.
not the same director
I watched in a dark room with the correct settings on my TV and fast internet. It looked fine to me.
DandD made the lighting choices for the long night, so stfu lmao. Also this was shot in the day and you could clearly see EVERYTHING CRYSTAL CLEAR. Nothing like 8x3. I had no problem whatsoever seeing anything. If anything I thought it was way too bright for nighttime.
@@havok6280 I watched in a dark room and changed the settings on my tv to try to get a better view, but nothing helped.
i have to agree with Eric, we supported Ned in season one of GOT when he figurered out the kings kids were not this
That's not quite the same situation as in HOTD though
The change from the book for that ending twist was amazing, it still keeps the perceive event as it is while still surprising both readers and non readers of the source material. Also I have to give the young actor of Aemond a lot of credit for delivering on that line. Now I hope his new actor can do the same for another great line in the future 💯😈
Except it messes up the lore that dragons can only have one rider💀 if he lives then no one else can ride seasmoke. Which is in direct conflict with cannon in the book.
@@samscholz5024 Remember he's going to the stepstones with Qarl to fight, so there's a chance he will most likely die there. We already know Corlys is heading there next episode so he might see his son there as well.
@@timothypolanco8622 needless and irrelevant complexity. It’s a pointless change that has no benefits to the story (since he will just die off screen) and it creates needless issues with the cannon lore. So now he dies off screen when he could have just died in the fight like how it is in the books.
"sharply questioned" is Westerosi speak for torture btw, so Rhaenyra was like "beat this boy until he tells the truth" lol
It seemed really dark watching this, but the beach scene was easily watchable on my TV. Also i assume the kings daughter has dragon dreams as she prophesied her brother losing an eye and gaining a dragon. Edit: Im so glad Eric is standing up for Alisent, i feel like so many people are watching this and judging everything through Rhaenyra eyes as if she is the hero of the story.
Daemon and Aemond (an anagram of each other) are basically the same character on different sides. Bold second sons with a chip on their shoulder.
It kills me that Daemon with the D put at the end becomes Aemond, genius
except Daemon is better and has love for his family, whereas Aemond is a psychopath
@@a.a677 they’re both psychopaths. Daemon literally killed his wife because he didn’t want to be married to her.
You guys are kind of misinterpreting the moment.
It's not quite treason what Alicent did when she took Viserys knife.
Alicents reaction is easily dismissed as a mother's anger over the disfigurement of her child. And she clearly made it plain that she wanted the eye of Lucerys Velaryon in return so she's not going to be accused of murder at all because no lord in that room will see it that way.
They will only see an angry mother trying to take the eye of the child that took her child's eye and for that it is not treason what she did here.
What IS treason and by far the most severe crime committed is Aemond accusing Rhaenyras children of being bastards.
What is equally considered treason and what kind of Trumps the accusation is the fact that her kids actually are bastards. So their very existence is proof of Rhaenyras own treason.
But anyways no. It's not exactly treason what Alicent did in that moment. Sure as shit tailed the line about as close as you can. But not quite crossed it.
@Vegvisir92 tecnically the King never ordered her to do shit. He ordered her Kings guard to stand down and he did, then she took the knife to claim Lucerys eye herself which is easily dismissed as a woman consumed by a mother's anger over the disfigurement of her son. A pretty reasonable thing to get pretty angry over.
Not exactly treason. Not exactly disobeying the King.
What IS treason and by far the most serious crime that night is the allegation that Rhaenyra's children are bastards. Alicent would be in way worse shit if Aemond outed her not just to the King but if he outed her in front of all the lords as the one who uttered the treasonous slander, she'd be fucked. One thing to say treason in private, another to be caught out in the open.
This is why Aemond lies and says Aegon said it instead.
Then Viserys gives an order to the entire room, but subtextually specifically to Alicent that if anyone "speaks" of this treason again that they would have their tongues removed.
Which is Viserys laying down the law in front of the lords to accept Rhaenyra's children as trueborn. Viserys knows a civil war is coming as his life is nearing its end, you can hear the desperation in his voice as he pleads with his family to get along as the infighting is undoubtedly leading them to war when he dies.
But bottom line. No. What Alicent did is technically not treason
@Vegvisir92 If that is treason then Rhaenyra and Daemon are guilty as well. Multiple times over.
Maybe your issue with how dark the night scenes were comes from, oh I don't know, the several bright lights blasting glare onto the screen?
It always amazes me that Blind Wave is able to pick up on stuff so many reactors miss, like Vaemond throwing shade at Rhaenyra or the page being Laenor's death double...
...but ask them to name a character in any given show, and the gods flip a coin! -A weighted coin on the tails side!-
I watched the episode with my lights off and the scene looked great. Watching it with bright studio lights on around the room makes it look horrible.
Laenor waltzes back in like Jefferson in Hamilton 'So what did I miss? What what what did I miss?'
The person on left side(from my perspective) the one with blonde short hairs who supported Alicent, man you are 100000% right ✅️ don't let all these people change your mind...you r right man u r right 😃
Gosh Aemond has really impressed me so far. There are members of House Targaryen that are weak or craven, and then there are those like Aegon The Conqueror, Visenya, Daemon, Rhaenyra, and Daenerys. I knew from the moment he took one step in Vhagar’s direction (let alone dare to approach her and even claim her) and saw him fly without being fastened to the saddle while the same theme that played when Daenerys proved herself in her story played in the background that he was a true Targaryen.
Plot twist: The King outlives everyone.
One thing to clear out about dragons is that, Dragons are not something like a property or materialistic object that somebody or a family owns, The moment Laena died Vhagar is free from bounds and can accept whomever she wants to become her Rider, Vhagar accepted Aemond as her rider and the problem was that laenas daughter somehow thought that she owns the dragon cause her mother was the rider which is bullshit.
You also don't expect your cousin to sneak into your garage and steal your dead mother's car even if she willed it to him.
Ofcourse the King knew but he's turning a blind eye mainly because of what he screamed during the confrontation. He said "We are family!" which I translated as it doesn't matter if they were bastards because they are sons of Rhy. He was even exhilarated when Rhy proposes to combine their families through marriage. What he's really blind to is the fact that Alicent sees only what his father fed to her from the beginning so she doesn't see what he'd always wanted (for them to be a family). Rhy actually tried mending it with Alicent but she refuses because bitterness is just too deep in her already. She envies what Rhy is capable of getting away with while she upholds the righteousness that limits her to be her true-self.
Very well put. Otto is really the one who poisened the relationships and Larys adds to that with his unsolicited dirty-work. 😆
Rhaenyra had the choice to marry whomever she wanted, Viserys and Alicent didn't care who it was, as long as she married. Rhaenyra could have chosen Harwin, Lannister, anybody; but she abruptly cut the organised tour in half, and went to brothels with his brother and slept with Cole. That's what upset Alicent. Once Viserys saw that Rhaenyra is irresponsible, they brought her the morning tea and forced her to marry Laenor, and Rhaenyra opted to get rid of Otto in exchange. Why wouldn't Alicent be upset over that?
They're prolly on Dragonstone when they were married, since they were doing the Valyrian ceremony it would fit better, plus they had to use the obsidian from it.