Royal Mail, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ---RANT TIME---
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- Royal Mail - ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
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2b or not 2b delivery is the question
So disappointed you beat me to it!
This is the only reply that is needed for this video. 😄👏🏻
Agree 23 not 2B
You can actually see 23 🤣 but you can also see 2B 🤣 maybe you should have put 2b but then would they have read that as 26 🤷🏼 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
If you look at the special delivery sticker it says number 23 above the 2d bar code. This should have been checked at the post office when you sent it and it will be on your receipt also.
Being honest it did look like 23 to me too. When sending, never write it as a B always a b. Also, confirm it with the post office when you hand it over and check the reciept. When I send expensive things out, I also add post office consequential loss insurance
That would make it 26. Better to print it on a label.
they would of then delivered it to number 26
I live on 18 but I also get number 1b parcels.
I have never written that in lower case. Always upper.
When I saw it, I didn't see 2b, I first saw 213, it would have been better typed up, it doesn't look clear
Sorry, I would initially think 23. But when they were told the correct address a note should have been put on the parcel.
I would 2 I’m thinking of selling on eBay I would make sure it looks totally right
agree
I agree looks like 23, handwritings terrible
It has been posted as 23 at the post office, this can be seen in the right hand corner next to the 2D barcode, second line under the stamp price and weight of parcel. Royal Mail can only try at that specified address with special deliveries. Even informed it is for 2B, the postman/woman would not be able to attempt at 2B, as it was processed as being 23. This is only the case for special delivery items. If it was a tracked item or Royal Mail 24/48, the mistake could be rectified and tried at the correct address or even left at neighbours - this cannot happen with special delivers.
Hi Nic, I am a Postie and I deal with Special Deliveries.
You might want to blame the POST OFFICE, because they have put 23 on the square white label at the top right of the parcel.
You might also want to edit the video because, the buyers FULL POSTCODE and all be it wrong house number is fully visible on the white sticker with the QR code.
You covering the label is pointless with the QR post office label still visible, anyone can look up this buyers street address, and you have stated their correct house number in this video!
The pre advice of this parcel would also be 23 on RM s internal system.
I would personally advise printing the label especially on expensive items like this.
Also due to the high value of SD items or sensitive contents for insurance purposes special delivery can ONLY be delivered to the address on the item, and can't goto a neighbour or a different address when a redelivery is selected.
Hence the multiple attempts at 23.
On a side note the sorting office should NOT have promised a redelivery to 2B as this is to stop anyone walking into a sorting office and intercepting a special delivery.
At this point it should have been returned to yourself to be resent to the correct address, with the CORRECT number on the QR code label, which is wrong.
The post office staff member has also read it as 23, and your RECEIPT would also show 23 that you should have checked.
I usually support you when you rant on companies getting it wrong like Ebay etc, but this is NOT Royal Mails fault, and you genuinely should do the right thing and say you got it wrong Nic.
Boom
I would probably delete the video before they sue you as you are clearly wrong nic. 👀
Exactly. SD are separate to normal mail and can ONLY be attempted to the address on the item. No neighbours, no retry another address, no leave safe. Its the sender's responsibility to make sure the address is correctly printed or written or it will fail
Although if they put the wrong address in to start with and gave the wrong advice, then they must hold some blame..
Well explained John, thanks, have learned from you and yes, it is all so obvious and clear that the dubious handwriting meant it was destined to fail when it was read at the post office counter and not spotted by nick on his receipt. No doubt the SD guys would look at the QR label and do what that says ! All easy mistakes but thankfully i use a printer to keep it simple.
23
Could be 2B, could be 213, could be 23. To be fair I can see why they struggled.
i saw 213 too
Yes, but they shouldn't have struggled after getting in contact with the sorting office 3 times, explaining everything and being told all was understood. After that, it's nothing short of pure incompetence on behalf of RM
@@Charlie_Crown 100% correct. I think the lesson here is always print a label instead of writing it going forward with Royal Mail!
@@Charlie_Crown True but as my relative (RM staff) says, Royal mail have cut staff so many times in the past 10-15 years and now works a kind of skeleton crew. He remembers 15 years ago where he works that at night at 9pm there would be around 100 people compare with now which he says at the same time there are no more than 15 people. Also they have a policy of "race to the bottom" in terms of wages and are still actively getting rid of staff with full time contracts in favor of part time and casual workers. Wages have gone down in real terms, 15 years ago it was a pretty good wage but now it is pretty much below the "average wage" which looking it up is £29,600 apparently (yeah right where are all these average wage people). So low wages and incompetent managers and part time staff who don't give a fcuk might be the answer.
@Welcome's House but no one earns this "average" wage
Looks more like 213 or 23. Easy mistake to make as the B was not clearly joined up to look like B. No excuses for their multiple failed delivery attempts after you contacted them though. Guess it is because no one corrected the address on the box. For once I have to say the original fault is yours.
Hey there. As a postie of 19 years I can tell you unfortunately with a special delivery we only deliver as addressed and although you have my sympathies it’s the worst B I’ve ever seen. It’s almost like a 2, 3 if that makes sense. Lesson learned I guess
Always do lowercase letters if it’s after a number
All imho of course
The 739 you have on the parcel with the date means a P739 card was left (red card) with the date left. As you can see it’s more than one posties handwriting so they all read it the same way
Good luck to you in the future
Lower case my man !
I know plenty of Royal Mail posties and they’re useless if your delivery centre has been contacted by the recipient and also the sender then it should of been rectified. No wonder Royal Mail is going down hill fast ! Come 12;30 most are in Wetherspoons
To be fair, it looks like 213 more than 23, it doesn’t look 100% as a “B” to me
Yeah. At first glance, it looked like 213 to me too. The natural first reaction after that is to ignore the weird part (the "1") and I can see them accidentally getting 23 pretty easily.
Me too
When you have expensive Zebra thermal printer, but you hand write the address.
He clearly explains why he didn't use printed label
My thoughts exactly!
Even without click and drop he can still print a label lol
Surprised they didnt try 28.
Make a plain printed label.
Not the fault of Royal Mail as can be clearly seen with the label stating postcode and no 23. The confusion started at the post office counter where the clerk entered misread no. as 23. if I was sending an item of a value of £300 i would have checked correct details on receipt when entering tracking number into Ebay then this could have been avoided.
100% correct 👍🏻
I can see why they thought it was a 23. This just shows even after many, many years reselling, you can still make mistakes! Live and learn! At least you’ve got it back, Nic!
If I was buying a £300 item I would expect it to be professionaly packaged and labeled properly, especially from a business seller not a roughly hand written label so unprofessional Nic
If it even is a genuine sale. Can't find it on ebay as sold...
@@pm4397 yeah. Don’t understand his animosity for Royal Mail. It was HIS mistake, and considering it was worth 300 pounds and he hand wrote it, it should have occurred to him to double check the address and made sure it wasn’t ambiguous. Of course this is all assuming he hasn’t made all this up for clickbait views and to throw dirt at Royal Mail unjustly.
I checked for two weeks (although sold listings show up pretty much immediately) and couldn't find his listing picture or any same model camera sell for the price he showed it. Fairly sure it was just fishing for views. Shame though, I like most of his vids
Bit unfair - he sent via post office who make another label
RM ask one thing, write the address legibly. If you can't do that one task then it's your fault not the postman's!
Never hand write a label. I appreciate special delivery service isn’t in your usual mail flow, but you can buy special delivery using eBay labels. 👍🏼. At least the parcel wasn’t terminally lost and it came back to you 👍🏼
Yeah, hindsight is great LOL - was just easier to pop up the road and get it gone
Yeah don’t understand why the label wasn’t brought throu eBay….. at quick glance looks like 23 so can’t blame the Royal Mail for that one
Yes always PRINT LABELS!
it's your fault, i sell and would never write freehand I always print the address and as large as the parcel will allow. Writing freehand is always open to interpretation and you will get problems.
You'd think someone who has been sending out parcels for years would know that whenever an address contains a letter such as that it is always a lower case "b". As an ex postman I'd say that the way Nic has written that any postie would quite rightly assume that says 23, you have to consider how many poorly written addresses they have to deal with, that tiny unjoined line making it a "B" is something they will be conditioned to ignore when they are expecting any letters to be written as "b". Whenever you call a sorting office you will be put through to someone who has no contact whatsoever to the actual posties who deal with the parcel, there will be hundreds of people working there and its simply naieve to assume a message will be passed on. The parcel will inevitably end up back with whoever is delivering that day who will always quite rightly assume it should be delivered to 23.
Royal Mail lol , had a postie in Leytonstone who just left the letters on peoples doorsteps he never knew about letterboxes. could easy be 23, not may houses with address 2b
If I understand correctly, it actually doesnt matter whats written on the parcel, delivery is made based on the details associated with the tracking number which has been logged as 23 per the printed label.
Correct 👍🏻
I have to say Nick; that could have been a lot clearer. Always use a lower case b for that. Imagine a postman delivering thousands of parcels, quick glance that looks like 23.
Why would you hand write the address? Just print it directly from eBay surely
Go to 26 then
How on this earth did you get £299 for a cheapie Oly compact ????
This is your fault.
I was waiting for the address , print out I was expecting, but when you finally shown it , ... Hand written ....
It does look like 213 or 23
Nick, been a sub for a good few years. We are all human. It looks like an extended 3 not a B to me. If you are sending why not print address out on printer in large chrs. Probably hermes might been better, although had some bad experiences. I think the driver delivers via the app and not your '3'. 🧐
I also read 23 tbh! I always always type out the address, I never write out the address since depending on your handwriting numbers can be miss-interpreted.
use ebay own shipping postage order system, it is much easier and no hassle!
When typing out the address you won't get that issue, also I would rather pay for postage online and print off the barcode label, then there is no confusion.
Also, on the post office label (stamp), it says 23 so the mistake was made at the post office counter. But it should have been sorted during the calls etc.
Yeah I noticed that as well
Tracked 48 is a joke. I'm in South London. Mailed the parcel to the buyer in Hounslow and it was stuck at their Jubilee MC Depot for nearly a week. 😤😤😡😡🤬🤬
Honestly I see 2b 213 and 23 so maybe just print a label next time but after you and buyer explaining it it should of been sent to right address
To stop any confusion in the future print it out and not hand written
As I’ve known this issue before with Royal Mail
Some people are suggesting a lower case 'b', however, with a lower case 'b' that is hand written there is always the potential to read it as a '6' as most people's hand writing is far from perfect. So regardless of which postal service you use I suggest you print all labels out or at least check the receipt before leaving the post office. I've recently started using Royal Mail app and print all my shipping labels now.
just write letter with serifs, e.g.
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¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
People need to learn to make extra effort to disambiguate.
Looks like 213 to me tbh. Maybe should of sent it via yodel
When I was a postie , you’d soon become familiar with the family names at each house number , however that’s when posties had regular ‘walks’ , rather than nowadays where you often get a different postie unfamiliar with house numbers ( or even worse street names ) ………
I guess in your case Nic , your parcel delivery was just not to be ;-)
It really doesn’t look like a B
I'd say you should have put it in lowercase for clarity or printed the label ? What happened to 23 resident lol
Looks like 213 or 23. Write properly next time.
I had a package take 6 months instead of 6 weeks to be delivered to me. Destination country -- IRELAND - address was handwritten. It was misread and package travelled to ISRAEL. Fortunately it was eventually re-directed to Ireland. My advice - either handwrite to the standard of machine print or machine print addresses especially when delivery is urgent.
Instead of 2B use 2b.
I've got lots of gripes with Royal Mail but in this instance I can see how they initially read this as 23. However, mistakes happen and when you and your buyer tried to resolve the problem, Royal Mail categorically failed to deal with it. Their performance was calamitous. Glad your buyer was so patient. As with any situation like this, it's a learning opportunity.
This was a mistake at the post office, not Royal Mail. Royal Mail tried to deliver to the stamped address which was 23 as can be seen in the right hand corner. As with special deliveries, only the specified house number which was recorded at the post office at the time of posting, can be attempted.
@@ryanwright2716 The point is, he made the relevant people aware that a mistake had been made and they assured him it would be rectified; it wasn't. That's poor customer service.
@@beyondthebubble_uk Royal Mail has a very strict policy with special deliveries. Only the specified and processed house number can be attempted, so I believe he shouldn’t have been assured of this being rectified, unless he spoke with a Royal Mail delivery office manager, not by a postman or woman - as misdelivery of a special item is a sackable offence, or in this case not attempting delivery at the provided address (even though it is the wrong house number)
You can see on the stamp in the top right they checked it into the post office @ 23, this would have also been on your receipt when you took it to the Post office you should have picked up on it when you dropped it off.
It makes more sense to be 23 as you don’t normally see an address with 2b and your writing is terrible
First glance 23. But after speaking with the customer they should have written 2B on the parcel. It will have been the same postman every time who was unaware of the mistake, and just thought 23 were trying to get it delivered every time. Lack of communication between the guys at the delivery office and the actual postman. In future make the B smaller than the number.
Wow, how many attempts?! Crazy! I feel your frustration. Thank goodness your buyer still wants the camera and recognises its not your fault. This demonstrates why I always print out the delivery address rather than hand write the address.
I would have guessed 213 and then if that didnt exist assumed 23. Doesnt look too much like a B to me I'm afraid!
I can't find the item sold on eBay. Not sure I'm looking right maybe. Might look out for these in future though 👍
Working in the logistics industry, firstly I think I would say it was 23 and someone accidentally marked it after writing.
Because everything is automated and for GDPR, fraud and other similar reasons it’s difficult to make changes without sending back to the shipper. It’s not ideal but the main thing is your camera came back to you!
Sorry Nic, it looks like 23 to me too. Or 213? Always print labels! I've got crap handwriting and always rush when I write. I print everything when I can. Everyday is a learning day!
I definitely think it's down to your handwriting but at the same time after being told it needs to be posted to 2B not 23 they should have noted that down and the problem would have been solved.
Sorry but it looks like a 3
Sorry Nick, it looks like 23 or at best 213. A scruffy hand written address is not good enough for a sale of that value especially from a Seasoned seller like yourself. This is the sort of 'can't be bothered attitude' that gives ebay sellers such a bad name
Special delivery parcels I will always copy and paste the address from eBay to notebook/Word and youse the label printer to print it off so no issues like this occur I’m sure you’ll do the same from now on Nick!
The post office typed it In wrong as well the white label says house number 23 so the qr code thinks it's house number 23
As a former delivery driver I only read it as 23 or even 213 and as such would have only tried them numbers. But this should have definitely been corrected when you told them about the mistake. I think this is just one of them live and learn situations but hopefully you get better luck with ups!!
This is like some type of Shakespearean play - "2B or not 2B - That is the question?"
I would say 213
Sorry Nic but at first glance it does look like 23 ,but then again the post office should have corrected their mistake when they said they were going to ,such are the trials and tribulations of a reseller, you must think your self lucky you have a good buyer on the other end just think of all the hassle they could have caused you.
First quick look, 213. But you would expect the postman to recognise the name / address combo. Most, who've been on the job a while, do
Why didn't you buy it online and print it?
Really missed a trick not calling this video “2B or not 2B, that is the question” 🤣
Your printed receipt from the post office what did that show as they always have to enter the house number and post code into the system .
Royal Mail dropped the hat on my ebay sell, the buyer jsut informed me that someone else signed from Royal Mail as if the buyer recieved it and when I showed her the signature, she laughed and said it wasn't even hers. Forgery is illegal and I'm livid. I mean this poor lady deserves and paid to recieve her order and now we are investigating where her item is. This is very sad. very sad. I thought USPS was bad but they have never had an employee sign for a delivery. That's illegal.
Some Royal Mail sort offices “pre-sign”
But yeah. I had an issue with a seller adamant i had received a parcel, which I had not received, because it was “signed”. It was, but not by me, and not by anyone at my address
It’s quite common
I keep sending abroad, RM keep sending the item back with the address on the customs label!! Costs me £10 every time they make a mistake! Now I draw a massive red box around the buyers address with a big sentence in red saying who is the recipient.
Mind you, now in December 22 I’m losing so many sales I’m now using Evri postables.
I thought 213, I usually print the addresses.
Imagine the customers name was Toby.
The person delivering the parcel wouldn’t look at what you wrote on the parcel. They would use door number that appears when the barcoded QR sticker is scanned. This would have been input by the post office staff at the counter. If they had any doubts about the number they should have checked with you prior to printing the postal sticker.
This is not Royal Mail or the postman/postwoman’s fault. The 2D stamped barcode in the right hand corner of the parcel, has the house number as 23 printed onto it. This would have been done at the post office obviously. The postman/woman has tried no.23 to deliver, as with special deliveries, only the specified address can be attempted. Even if it looks like 2B, it has been inputted and submitted and stamped, at the post office, as number 23 on the second line underneath the postage price and weight of the parcel.
All people saying only use printed labels, I've never had a printer & have sent thousands of parcels over last 20 years or more & all hand written & never had a single parcel returned so I'll keep writing them thank you very much
Oh bless you Nick. As a travel agent we say B for Bravo! Get familiar with that alphabet as is international use. It will save you lots of headaches with names too. I'm subscribed to Andrea's channel too!
Hi all I would have thought you would have printed the label off Royal Mail with your zebra printer would have saved loads of problems 👍
Try writing B properly.
If you look at the Postage Label, it clearly states SE22 0AP (House Number) 23.
Royal Mail were trying to send it to the address they had, as clarified by the Postage stamp. The fault is with whoever printed off the stamp.
Lessen to learn: Why on earth are you not benefitting from the reduced rates you get by printing off your own labels?
Had a similar problem because I live at 17b the post office “returned to sender” because 176 doesn’t exist.
I now leave a bigger gap between number and letter and also use a capital B
When you post something important with special delivery,i always use a printer to print the address and numbers. That looks like a 23 to me . Sorry
I once sent a parcel, then 3 days later I received it back. The lady in the post office has put the postage label next to the return address !
If you look at the 2d barcoded label equally that reads 23. I think the vast majority would read it as 23. So not only the delivery postman read it as 23 , the indoor staff when returned to the delivery office entered it on the system as 23.
It does look like 23 to me, sorry Nic. We're you not able to.print the label? This is why I print when I can as handwriting can be interpreted in different ways. I'm glad you got it back though.
Always check the receipt for the number they have taken on the counter, you could have them told them it is meant to be 2B and it would have stopped all the confusion. To be fair it does look a lot like 23 especially from a distance, think you are being very harsh on Royal Mail, your fault as well, at least you got it back though.
Yeah, I read that as 23. No excuse once they've been told the error though - don't they scan things these days?
it kinda looks like a 3 to me, a lot of people in the chain at royal mail so can see where it went wrong, would not say there to blame per say.
Hey Nic/Andrea or anyone in the comments...it's off topic but where do you purchase your bottles of white #2 polish compound for the jfj easy pro?
I always do the B in lower case and smaler when it's a number followed by a letter, it usually does the trick!
2B or not 2B, that is the question 😂
I thought it was a 23 when I first saw it. Senders not making the numbering clear causes delays and the same Postie might not be delivering each day which might also mean something like this isn't worked out quickly.
To be fair Nick, when i first look at it it look like a 23 but once they were aware of the mistake they could of wrote it down as 2B
I'm surprised you don't use printed labels. If you did, this definitely wouldn't have been an issue. I did look at the number and did think 23 myself too.
That’s why I always print out address.
Sorry to hear this Nick, must have been super frustrating! Personally I would have written a lower case b as opposed to a capital B!
It says 2B . I will give you a better one. I live in Sweden and ordered a bullbar for my car. The company , on e-bay, sent the bullbar. I was tracking it, it came to sweden and I thought afew more days and I will get it. Well Sweden is about 5 times the size of the UK and I think it went everywhere even spent a few days in Norway. By now I'd been on the phone many a time to the post office and they always said" it'll be there tomorrow. The last time I got intouch with the seller and ofcourse he was suspicious, thought maybe I was pulling a fast one. The last I heard of it it went to a woman at the top of Sweden, she had no idea what to do with it so the post office sent it back to England. This is what the post office said to me. The seller got the same information and said he would send a new bullbar to me, everyone happy. The next day it arrived on my door step so had to phone the seller to stop the new bullbar which he did and was grateful I phoned.
The Post office entered it as 23. Hence why Royal Mail presume it’s 23. You need to be clearer when writing your labels or print off the computer.
Let me explain:
Pause the video zoom in on the post office sticker at the top right which reads.
Postcode: SE22 0AP
House Number: 23
Cost: £7.65
Weight: 00.274 kg
Posted: 03/05/22
If your writing is unreadable, the post person will refer to that sticker which says "23" to confirm the address, plus now we all know the customers address, which is a technical data breach.
Always double check the sticker or state the address at the post office counter before sending it, don't always assume people can read each other hand writing.
Glad I could help, have a nice day sir.
I would have put: 2(b) or 2(B), or made sure initially the ‘B’ was fully clear - ie solid. When I post to my brother, I always put: 121(c).
I can see the problem first time, but firstly why didn't the customer pick it up from the sorting office? Secondly Royal Mail should have put a sticky on the parcel instructing it as 2B. Personally when I send stuff with a letter I write it slightly smaller than the main number and slightly higher to avoid confusion. I'm glad your buyer was so patient.
The person at 23 could have easily took the parcel and there you go,
You would never get it back
I'm sorry Nic but on this occasion I have to agree with the Post Office. If I didn't know it was supposed to be a 'B' I never would have read it like that, it looks like '213' if not '23'. It should have been written as '2b'.
Hi Nic, I have my Click&Drop PPI account AND a Click&Drop Personal account, when I want to do a 'one-off' shipment like a special delivery, I use the personal account and run it down to the post office, so you still get that printed label and don't need to manifest
I always print my labels and never hand write them, especially for large ticket items. You live and learn Nick. Print next time and don't hand write your labels.
I had a row off the post office clerk because she couldnt understand the post code on a parcel was told in future it has to be in capitals or they wouldnt accept it! I can see 2B and 23.
Unfortunately the post office put 23 on the label, legally royalmail have to deliver to the address provided expecially when special delivery.
You can see the destination postcode and number on the barcode that was printed by the post office.
I never use Royal Mail as they kept losing parcels. So yep I ended using Hermes or evri as it is now. I like them because you get a printed label and when it is an expensive item I triple check it and the purchase the label. And then notify of seller of dispatch. TBF it does look like a 213. I own a label printer so this never happens now. They are not very expensive.
Plus evri get the items within 4 days.
Wow, just another example of a company that doesn't pass messages on when they say they will or speak to colleagues. It's amazing the person at 23 didn't take it in and it was never seen again so it's lucky you got it back. I'm glad the buyer was fair too.
use UPS.. if the customer isn't in they'll just leave it at her front door to be stolen 👍🏻 or funnily enough if it's an area they don't cover they'll just give it to royal mail to deliver like every other company does 👍🏻 best advice.... print off a proper label instead of a scribbled piece of a4
The 2d barcode stamp says the postcode AND the number and that number is a 23. Video time 3:58
Whoever took the details when you handed it over put a 23 down.
Next time when writing a number followed by a letter of the alphabet. Try writing the number large and the letter at least half the size of the number. Also make sure the person typing the address for the 2d barcode gets it right.
Having a brother that works for the mail i can say things have changed a lot in the past few years. They use a lot of part time workers and load them with as many parcels as possible so they are rushing continually. The B sort of looks like a 3 if you are in a hurry, you should have not left a gap at the top of the "B" which to someone rushing could be a 3.BUT after telling them countless times they should have written something on the parcel like "this is 2B not 23" and instructed the post person in person to go to 2B"
Are the post codes same for both addresses ?
i never ever hand write labels. always use word and a label template. never had a problem
In the US if you have an established postal delivery person that regularly Services the route --they pretty much know their customers....
My postal office at my location is so bad, I drive to a different area of town that's business-oriented on top of it all my stuff gets delivered...
The Ray Charles station in 90016 Los Angeles has the worst Yelp reviews... they are always rude and incompetent...
I've had prepaid packages put out it takes them actually forever to actually scan them in the system and get to the central processing facility which usually happens the same day elsewhere and by the middle of the night it's on its way either by truck or plane...