Comparing a modern window AC to an (almost) vintage one.

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  • @JordanU
    @JordanU 2 роки тому +12

    I used to have one those Kenmore units in my bedroom at the last house we lived in. Could easily drop the room into the 60s. Quality equipment!

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  2 роки тому +1

      They sure don't make them like they used too! The WCI units really seem to have been the last units with true vintage American quality.

    • @KeyboardBuster
      @KeyboardBuster 10 днів тому

      My Sears 70s vintage I just trash found has a compressor the size of a Titan ICBM nosecone.
      Just kidding. But back in the day if you opened your wallet a little more you got what you paid for.

  • @Izumisensei2004
    @Izumisensei2004 2 роки тому +8

    I have an old carrier (around 20 to 25 y/o) unit with a USA made fan motor and a panasonic compressor and that thing can cool a room faster than a new unit
    (th problem is that it was made when electronic controls were new, and even though the screen is trashed by this point it still works fine)

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  2 роки тому +2

      Yea even the really early electronic units were good. I have a GoldStar from 1992 in my living room wall, even though it's digital it works very well. It was made before GoldStar became LG. The thing is built like a tank.

  • @rylanpien
    @rylanpien 3 роки тому +13

    Things made more than 20 years ago is just better than anything made now

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому +2

      Yea, because back then things weren't always made in China, and if they were they had to be of decent quality because appliances made in the US and even Japan were still common. They had to compete with superior products and now, for the most part, that competition is gone. Everything is disposable now, even cars. It's a shame but that's why we have to keep the old stuff going as long as possible, most likely way longer then it was originally intended to last.

    • @rylanpien
      @rylanpien 3 роки тому +2

      @@brunoshow124 yeah I wish more things were made in the us more

    • @daverachmankennardi8278
      @daverachmankennardi8278 9 днів тому

      I want to see old Chinese air conditioner ​@@brunoshow124

  • @markluxton3402
    @markluxton3402 2 роки тому +3

    My 38 year old AC I just fixed and cleaned is 6000 BTU but draws 10 amp! It makes nice cold air but I need to get a newer one just because this draws too much current for the circuit I need to install to. I will use this old one in my work shop.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  2 роки тому +2

      90's units and newer are fairly efficient. The older ones like yours I will admit are power hungry.

  • @robertsitch1415
    @robertsitch1415 Рік тому +2

    I find that most of the really older ones that likely have a reciprocating compressor are way louder than a proper new unit, but seemed to often last at least 30 years.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  Рік тому

      The fans in a lot of the older models are louder, also the compressor mounts are often shot by now so the chassis tend rattle a lot.

    • @robertsitch1415
      @robertsitch1415 Рік тому

      @BrunoShow124 Yes, that explains why the majority of well-used ones tend to run loud. Modern scroll compressors only tend to be louder at startup and shutdown.

  • @fanshvacandmore14
    @fanshvacandmore14 3 роки тому +3

    I agree with most of your points, the WCI unit is for sure a better unit. Imo some units made today (like the Frigidaire, friedrich, and bigger LG units) are still good quality, but I think that window ACs altogether started really plummeting in quality in around 2005. I too like electronic controls, for stuff nowadays I honestly just prefer electronic because electronic controls seem much more accurate.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому

      I agree there are some ok units now. The frigidaire ones made now are average unless you get to the larger ones, they still use a WCI chassis design , albeit with Chinese parts that may be questionable quality. Electronic controls are fine if they work right, like the older WCI and Fedders units, along with units like my 1992 GoldStar. I prefer analog controls in most cases tho. The unit in my bedroom is a 1999 WCI Frigidaire with manual control and it's very accurate, within a half a degree or so according to my thermometer.

  • @Massachusettshvacandmore
    @Massachusettshvacandmore 3 роки тому +3

    One thing I’ve noticed with newer units (mainly the digital units) is that the thermostats cut the unit off a lot when the room is above the set temperature. Haven’t noticed it as much on the knob controlled ones tho but the knob controlled units seem to have better thermostats. Haven’t noticed it on any of the older digital units like the WCI’s and the Electrolux made Frigidaire’s from the mid to late 2000s.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому

      I've noticed that too. The older digital units were fine, I assume this weird behavior is either poor quality control or some sad attempt at saving energy. The old WCIs don't do that as with the early Electrolux units. The older Fedders with digital controls as well as my 1992 GoldStar also don't do it. I'm glad it's not just me that noticed that behavior. It also makes them not dehumidify well either since the compressor isn't on long enough.

    • @Massachusettshvacandmore
      @Massachusettshvacandmore 3 роки тому +1

      @@brunoshow124 Yeah it’s probably poorly made controls. Moving the thermostat sensor away from the evaporator and/or getting vent deflectors can fix the issue.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому

      @@Massachusettshvacandmore Yea. Even the mechanical controls are kinda junky now. At least those you can adjust the range of the thermostat if you know how to tho. That's actually one of the main reasons I just don't use modern units, the controls are just to finicky and the digital ones have a mind of their own.

    • @Massachusettshvacandmore
      @Massachusettshvacandmore 3 роки тому

      @@brunoshow124 Mechanical controls honestly seem to have a lower temperature limit and aren’t as sensitive as digitals. Like the 2020 5k GE I have barley cycles off on the max setting. It seems to only cycle off when its set at 6 1/2 or below. Usually when its on that setting it will cool the room to around 68-70 degrees vs when it was on max it cooled the room to 62-64 with the compressor still on.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому

      @@Massachusettshvacandmore my wci frigidaire in my room will go down to about 62 at the lowest setting, it will still cycle normally tho once it's cooled down to that temperature. It also seems very precise as it will keep the temperature within a degree of the setting. It seems pretty well designed.

  • @KeyboardBuster
    @KeyboardBuster 10 днів тому +1

    I just pulled a Simpson-Sears 10,00BTU air conditioner of 70s vintage off the curb tonight. American made ofcorse, it weighs at least 100lbs. Grade C condition.
    Condenser totally clogged with crud, original filter long since disintegrated leaving a plastic frame.
    Lugged it up my flight of stairs myself.
    Fired right up, even as clogged as it is, it built up pressure and blew ice cold.
    Nice and quiet, the compressor makes a purring noise that sounds oddly appealing at a distance.
    Going to replace my 10k BTU china air conditioner which broke over and over until I replaced the computer board with a solid state relay and wall thermostate.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  9 днів тому

      It really is amazing how bad things are these days, nothing lasts anymore. Those old machines will rust away to nothing before they fail. I found a Climatrol (Fedders) model from the mid 80s a while ago. It worked fine until I went to move it, the compressor literally fell out due to the base pan being that far gone.
      This Kenmore unit in this video was found with 2 more Kenmore models like it (just different BTU ratings and one was digital but still older) and they all worked. The fourth unit that was sitting with them was a GE model from 2017, it had no charge left at all in early 2018 when I grabbed them. There was no damage to the machine.

  • @KingHarlequin1999
    @KingHarlequin1999 Місяць тому

    I also forgot to say that I still have a 2013 LG Air Conditioner that is almost the same as this video, which also have a Qingan compressor, but it is not rattling at all surprisingly.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  Місяць тому

      @@KingHarlequin1999 They're hit or miss.

  • @electriciants7927
    @electriciants7927 2 роки тому +1

    Way to go fellow Jersian, lol. Nice video. Nothing, I mean nothing beats the good old R22 units. Nice comparison!

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks. Yea R22 units just always work, no bs.

    • @juliusphiletta5171
      @juliusphiletta5171 9 місяців тому +1

      Yes, but not becouse of R22, but becouse of they are build propperly ​@@brunoshow124

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@juliusphiletta5171 I totally agree that the build quality and design is the main reason the old ones work well. I meant that units with R22 are usually decent quality except for a few towards the end of their production.

  • @chrisscott5339
    @chrisscott5339 3 роки тому +2

    I finally found a rather decent unit from today. It doesn’t run loud at all and actually gets super cold and the compressor stays on a whole lot longer than that other one we have. I can make a video on it.

    • @williamsmart82
      @williamsmart82 2 місяці тому

      And it’s probably dead now 😂!had 2 brand new units die this summer while my 15 year old unit is doing great smh!B.S. I spent 1200$ on them and they lasted 1 summer smfh

  • @KingHarlequin1999
    @KingHarlequin1999 5 місяців тому +1

    I know that R22 is better, but do you know if there is any cooling difference between R410A and R32?

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  5 місяців тому +1

      I'm not sure of the specifics, but from my experience with both, R32 seems to be closer to R22 in performance and some characteristics. It does run at very high pressures compared to the other refrigerants, though. R32 units don't seem to be as quick to frost up in cooler temperatures like 410a units are. They behave closer to R22 units from what I've seen.

    • @KingHarlequin1999
      @KingHarlequin1999 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@brunoshow124 I also believe it so because we recently bought an R32 Haier-made GE Profile Inverter Windows AC (model AHTR14ACH1) made in November 2023 and I noticed a better cooling performance than the old 2011 R410A GE Window unit (model AEH12APW1) that we had before, even after cleaning the evaporator and the condenser.

  • @vintagesimplexfirealarmsof6440

    i getting a vintage one on wednesday bc our modern one is a dump and doesn't work well kind of

  • @djscott9207
    @djscott9207 2 роки тому +1

    Nice review and I agree with your points!

  • @orange70383
    @orange70383 3 роки тому +5

    My new window unit always sneaks back to power saver mode after a while, it's like they almost forbid you to use it like you want.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому

      I like how you described that lol. Yeah they are annoying about it now. The Kenmore in this video has power saver as well and it works great on power saver, actually it works better on power saver then the new units work on any mode. It's a nice feature and has it's place but they shouldn't force you to use it, sometimes you want or need that fan to constantly circulate air whether it's cooling or not.

  • @blessedchild80
    @blessedchild80 2 роки тому

    I have an old Kenmore unit but I cannot get it to turn on. It is a 25000 but. Cleaned it up and plugged it in...nothing. dead stick. Any ideas? Thank you for the informative vid

  • @cigdamagelungs
    @cigdamagelungs Рік тому +1

    Any good made in USA window units,replacing a 30 yr old freidrich quietmaster

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  Рік тому +1

      Your best bet would be certain Friedrich models, specifically the Kuhl models. Otherwise I'd find something that's older and still in good shape.

    • @cigdamagelungs
      @cigdamagelungs Рік тому

      @@brunoshow124 ty very much

  • @canadianmaniac3614
    @canadianmaniac3614 3 роки тому +3

    I have a 1959 RCA works like new

  • @fordmuscleluis9710
    @fordmuscleluis9710 3 роки тому +1

    Nice comparison video I definitely enjoyed them

  • @TapesNstuffS
    @TapesNstuffS Рік тому +1

    So that newer one works, it just needs new motor mounts? Should be nice and easy to resell.

  • @Berniessen
    @Berniessen Рік тому

    Most people think new is better......................But thats not always the case........I am impressed some ac systems frome the 70/80s stil run super cold and with less noise then this "new device".
    And a decent build R22 window ac is a device that last decades vs cheap modern production as i have 2 here that work smooth.
    This production/qualty lost u see that in cars in combustion engines in tractors and so on u see it in sooo many things,u see that components/materials designed before computers could calulate the lifespan of the materials/components where made to last and mostly be made durable instead of lasting there warranty time.

  • @Dc_tech386
    @Dc_tech386 2 роки тому +1

    Some old units work better then new one same for every old equipment

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  2 роки тому

      Old stuff was generally built better, the world wasn't a throw away society back then.

  • @Jon-hx7pe
    @Jon-hx7pe 3 роки тому +4

    Capacity is not measured in air temperature drop.
    The newer unit is probably moving more air.
    Rated amperage is not the same as real world current draw. The rating is a maximum.
    Agreed quality is not what it used to be.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому

      I'm aware of this. I have used both units before and the LG shirt cycles constantly and the Kenmore doesn't. I think I mentioned in the video that both units are not going to take the rated amperage all the time.

    • @Jon-hx7pe
      @Jon-hx7pe 3 роки тому +1

      @@brunoshow124 ok. the new ones definitely don't have the greatest controls.
      i would never buy a new unit now without the "follow me" function, having cold air get sucked back into the return inevitably leads to short cycling and the new ones seem to be worse.
      I bought a 5000 btu noma (midia clone) with digital controls last year and it was such a noisy, short cycling pos I had to return it.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому

      @@Jon-hx7pe yea, I had an 8000 btu GE (midea) and I swear it had 2 modes, cold and damp and hot and dry. I replaced it with a 2000 WCI Kenmore 8k btu and it does just fine. The GE was also incredibly loud and I'm not one that complains about noise a lot.

  • @dynatrak
    @dynatrak 3 роки тому +3

    Dang, it's hard to imagine things from '96 being vintage, but it's true! That Kenmore is a well built unit for sure. Hard to beat R22.
    Would be awesome to see how it performs after cleanup.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому +1

      I think I'm going to do another video of it once it's cleaned up and ready to go. I'm sure it'll do better with a clean condenser for sure

    • @dynatrak
      @dynatrak 3 роки тому +1

      Looking forward to it. I bet the high pressure will be much happier!

  • @Tonyal2012
    @Tonyal2012 Рік тому +1

    I'm in total agreement with your evaluation of the garbage LG air conditioner made in where the compressor and fan motor and probably all the rest of the parts are made in China. The Sear AC made in 1996 was made on the tail end of still being made in America. The Japanese compressor made in the USA is a far superior compressor than the Chinese made compressor. The eer rating is just ever so slightly higher on the LG but the Sears AC will last way longer. I consider my self an expert on window AC's made from early 1960's to about 1989. Most good quality Sears AC's many were made by Whirlpool, some made by Gibson and a few by GE would last on the average 15 to 17 years before a problem occurred that would be a major repair bill. The compressors would generally last through 2 sometimes 3 fan motors depending on the unit. Most window AC's right out of the box are not as good as the older american made AC's. Many of the original fan motors were made in Missouri most being made in St.Louis at companies like Century Electric and Emerson Electric. There was another company that manufactured electric motors that were used as fan motors with double shafts in window AC's that I am having trouble recalling their name. The American made compressors many were made in Michigan. The big 3 automobile makers Ford, General Motors, and Chrysler had their own window air conditioners too. Ford's solid made Philcos, General Motors made Frigidaire window AC's and Chrysler had the Air Temp brand. Those air conditioners would last 15 to 25 years or even longer before a compressor went bad especially if they were properly maintained. Many of the fan motors had oil ports for the fan motors. I graduated from HVACR trade school in 1979 right in the middle of when some of the very best window AC's were made. The Cadillac of window AC's was the high end expensive Freiderich AC's that was headquartered in Texas and if memory serves I believe were also made in Texas. A larger 220 volt Frederich had 5 speed fan motors with motor driven moving louvers on the front grill. Those piston compressors were made like tanks. Most were externally sprung and that made them run quieter. If a spring breaks or comes loose in an internally sprung compressor you couldn't get to them to replace them. The steel walls were nice and thick and strong and the Frederichs were so so quiet you could watch TV or listen to your nice RCA, Zenith, or Motorola Cabinet stereo record players with no problem. The Emerson AC's had a model called the Emerson Quiet Cool and they were super quiet. I had my own business in those years and I lived in an old city that used a lot of window AC's for their cooling needs instead of Central Air. The brick made flat roofed houses were difficult to install Central Air so there was a strong and large market for the window Air Conditioners. They were plentiful and there was a big need for window units in these old houses many made in the Victorian age. I'm glad to see you have a passion for vintage window ac's. The Chinese junk are just that, Junk compared to the American made air conditioners of the 60's, 70's, and even the 1980's. That 96 Sears ac now 27 years old was on the tail end of air conditioners that were still decently made.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  Рік тому

      This Kenmore AC is made by White Consolidated Industries or WCI. WCI bought a lot of brands inclsuinf Gibson, Frigidaire, and many more. I'd love to get an old Philco unit in particular since I only own and drive Ford vehicles. Way back when I was in elementary school, we had a giant trailer that had a few classrooms in it as well as some administrative offices, that building had Chrysler Airtemp systems in it. I have a few videos of older AC units and have a lot more units to film. I've been super busy so I really haven't uploaded in a while, even though I have filmed a lot.

    • @wciairconditioner8033
      @wciairconditioner8033 Рік тому +1

      @@brunoshow124we miss your videos bro, please find time to come back soon..& hope you are doing just well.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  Рік тому

      @@wciairconditioner8033 yea I'm doing well, just been busy lately. I have videos recorded I just have to edit them and upload them

  • @CotyRiddle
    @CotyRiddle 2 місяці тому +1

    Funny my lg aircon is stupid quiet. Maybe they started useing higher quality parts.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  2 місяці тому

      @CotyRiddle It's possible, every recent model LG unit (made in the last 10 years) I have acquired have all been tremendously noisy. The older model units I get are usually fine.

  • @adventureguy4119
    @adventureguy4119 5 місяців тому +1

    you are a german or of german enthnicty with a name like Bruno?

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  4 місяці тому

      I'm a mix of a few things, mostly Polish, Irish, Sicilian, and Scottish. I do have a bit of German, French, and Italian as well.

  • @wat3886
    @wat3886 3 роки тому

    I used to have a 2006 zenith window air conditioner 15000 btu... until it broke...

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому

      Zenith units were usually made by LG.

  • @vintagesimplexfirealarmsof6440

    that older unit is better and most of my fans are from the 90s or 1920s

  • @tennisguyky
    @tennisguyky 3 роки тому +4

    Everything modern pretty much is shit. It’s all imported made in China shit, from appliances to most furniture or every day house hold items. If I on the other hand want something quality like a toaster or coffee percolator that will last, I can sometimes find them at vintage stores or flea markets. I hate how everything is disposable now and complete plastic shit.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому +1

      You can thank the throw away society we live in these days for that. I hate it too, I'm sick of seeing "Made in China" on stuff. I only buy vintage appliances, American cars, and all that. I hate that the computer I'm using is full of Chinese parts.

  • @No__18
    @No__18 2 роки тому +1

    I actually bought a media window ac and its pretty neat. It is silent and super cold with huge energy savings. You should check it out its a media U shaped window ac. Reason im here is I actually forgot how a traditional ac sounds like and its more silent than that 90’s one

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  2 роки тому

      I've seen those. This 90s unit is very quiet when it's installed. My only concern is I've had Midea units before and they like to have failures after only a few years. I'd be interested to see how those U shaped things will hold up, from what I can see they seem like they're made pretty well. It is 90 percent the same as a regular window unit.

    • @KingHarlequin1999
      @KingHarlequin1999 Місяць тому

      ​​@@brunoshow124Mideas are just cheaply made with chinese GMCC compressor, thin styrofoam divider, and even aluminum tube evaporator coils.
      Haier is also doing the same as well, and now even LG.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  Місяць тому

      @@KingHarlequin1999 It's all part of planned obsolescence.

    • @KingHarlequin1999
      @KingHarlequin1999 Місяць тому

      @@brunoshow124 And same thing is also happening with the washing machines as well. They also have planned obsolesence.

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  Місяць тому +1

      @@KingHarlequin1999 modern washers are completely useless. They just flat put don't work well.

  • @justmatty5761
    @justmatty5761 2 роки тому +3

    The LG unit probably has a Toshiba Carrier Corporation compressor, because it is a copy of a Midea unit. Midea is a Chinese brand of shit, I had a Midea split air conditioner and I had a lot of problems, (compressor noise, vibrations think even the window was rattling when I turned on the air conditioning). Don't buy Midea and its sub-brands and you'll be fine for eternity

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  2 роки тому

      That LG had an LG Hero compressor made in China. The WCI Kenmore has a Matsushita compressor made in the USA even though it's a Japanese company. The LG unit was made in China if I remember correctly and the Kenmore was made in the USA.

    • @KingHarlequin1999
      @KingHarlequin1999 4 місяці тому

      Midea ACs are more cheaply made because they uses styrofoam dividers, have a loudly fan and it even had an all-Aluminium evaporator coils on a model that we had before (Model mwa05cr71).

  • @Lucasbigham-q5y
    @Lucasbigham-q5y Рік тому

    I disagree with because LG is lifes good but the older ones are cool

    • @CotyRiddle
      @CotyRiddle 2 місяці тому

      LG (gold star) have not always been the greatest.

  • @9852323
    @9852323 Рік тому

    I wouldn’t scrap the LG. It might be low quality but someone in need could use that. At least it works.

    • @KingHarlequin1999
      @KingHarlequin1999 4 місяці тому

      At least that LG is still better than the other current brands. It just need new compressor dampers.

  • @crystalboutte9880
    @crystalboutte9880 3 роки тому +1

    Why didn't you give the LG air conditioner away

    • @brunoshow124
      @brunoshow124  3 роки тому

      I still have it in storage, I'm debating if I want to fix it or not. It's way to loud to use since the compressor vibrates the entire case,v and I don't usually complain about noise

    • @crystalboutte9880
      @crystalboutte9880 Рік тому

      Do you still have it a year later🤔