Calico Reliability Testing: Round 4, the Saga Continues...

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    After I started getting malfunctions last time, I gave the Calico a good (and much-needed) cleaning, and also replaced the striker spring. Hopefully this brings it back to a state of reliability...
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  • @sijonda
    @sijonda 4 роки тому +2160

    What's interesting is these issues aren't magazine related.

    • @darransmith32
      @darransmith32 4 роки тому +352

      It's fed reliably the whole time he's owned it. Just hasn't fired everytime due to striker problems. Makes you wonder if the other people who had problems were mis-diagnosing the same problem?

    • @titaniumwo1f390
      @titaniumwo1f390 4 роки тому +46

      I don't have much knowledge about firearm, but it seems like firing pin was too short to make a proper strike.

    • @plutotheplanet5341
      @plutotheplanet5341 4 роки тому +149

      @@titaniumwo1f390 The pin is not short, it wouldn't misfire and then correctly shoot another round. I think the problem is in the force of the firing pin. The spring is not strong enough to force the pin to fire a cartridge and so the pin stops on impact. It's a new spring, however.. What is going on?!

    • @Mandemon1990
      @Mandemon1990 4 роки тому +106

      Yeah, seems to be either issue with ammunition related or striker related. Magazine has fed correctly and it has correctly chambered each time. It's a failure to fire, not failure to feed.

    • @DavidPirouet
      @DavidPirouet 4 роки тому +90

      If it's available I would put the dimpled rounds in a different gun, and see if the fault was not with them, the failure seems pretty border line.

  • @joshuaradick5679
    @joshuaradick5679 4 роки тому +2069

    The most surprising thing that I learned here was that Calico still exists.

    • @chrisperrien7055
      @chrisperrien7055 4 роки тому +95

      No doubt , I thought they gone in the mid 1990's.

    • @miguelencanarias
      @miguelencanarias 4 роки тому +13

      Me too!

    • @RobertDecker417
      @RobertDecker417 4 роки тому +58

      And that they are really cool apparently

    • @christopher5723
      @christopher5723 4 роки тому +83

      I think Ian mentions it in the 1st calico video, they're alive and have a reasonably modern looking website (more than I can say about a lot of small firearms companies...), I'm just surprised they are still able to employ an engineer.

    • @mp3545
      @mp3545 4 роки тому +34

      Hopefully some people who watch this go out, buy one, keep a cool company working, and have a really cool gun that you know how to use properly because you watched FW

  • @kckage
    @kckage 4 роки тому +1535

    I'm impressed by an engineer being able to diagnose a bad spring by sound. To bad it didn't work sounds like you had a better than customer service experience with calico, then I have ever had with SIG

    • @luxmid7486
      @luxmid7486 4 роки тому +66

      u must not know a lot of technical people, old dudes and cars are the same way, guitars, u shouldnt be so easily impressed

    • @Revener666
      @Revener666 4 роки тому +36

      it is noikt that hard to hear, when you know what it should sound like.

    • @termitreter6545
      @termitreter6545 4 роки тому +34

      I mean this stuff is pretty much good advertisement, so im not sure its necessarily and indicator for 'normal' customer service.

    • @tannerdylan5972
      @tannerdylan5972 4 роки тому +63

      The reason he gets better customer service than you is because he’s famous and your not. If your guns don’t work no one cares. If his guns don’t work the internet cares, and no self respecting company is just gonna let that slide. I bet they were praying so hard that it would work flawlessly!!😂

    • @nicholas_scott
      @nicholas_scott 4 роки тому +24

      @@tannerdylan5972 I'm impressed that Calico has "engineers". They have been producing the same guns, mostly unchanged, for 30-40 years. What possible function would an engineer have?

  • @trig
    @trig 4 роки тому +661

    Golden rule of problem solving: Never change more than one variable at a time.

    • @tarjei99
      @tarjei99 4 роки тому +63

      The problem does not appear to be misfeeds.

    • @cybermonkey81
      @cybermonkey81 4 роки тому +34

      Is there a way a feeding issue would cause light primer strikes? I mean I assume none, but, I could well be wrong. And at least to me the magazine has been feeding reliably from the start, all the failures were failures to fire.

    • @lasarousi
      @lasarousi 4 роки тому +12

      PC modding thought me this the hard way.

    • @PapaSchultz74
      @PapaSchultz74 4 роки тому +45

      Windings =feeding, spring = firing . The things are totally different. For the moment the magazine is working flawlessly. The firing issues may be related to mods or misuse from the previous owners or a faultyfiring pin. It´s not a new gun. Now next step change the firing pin and test.

    • @stephensmith4480
      @stephensmith4480 4 роки тому +7

      @@PapaSchultz74 My thought`s exactly on that one.

  • @lasarousi
    @lasarousi 4 роки тому +845

    This series has been like a Redemption arch of a character I didn't even know.

    • @E5rael
      @E5rael 4 роки тому +36

      I just hope this episode wasn't a sign of the character relapsing back to his former ways.

    • @El-Burrito
      @El-Burrito 4 роки тому +61

      This video is the 2nd act, where our protagonist is at their lowest point. Eagerly awaiting the finale of the trilogy where our protagonist finally defeats the evil malfunctions and becomes a successful well running gun.

    • @lasarousi
      @lasarousi 4 роки тому +8

      @@El-Burrito yeah this is were the character faces it's real detractor, in this case is an eager developer providing incorrect parts that gave false negatives.

    • @zs5636
      @zs5636 4 роки тому +2

      One of those characters, you never really cared about either

    • @marsguyphil
      @marsguyphil 4 роки тому +3

      I haven't been this hyped for a sequel since Avengers: Endgame.

  • @tacticalgreengecko7369
    @tacticalgreengecko7369 4 роки тому +183

    Ian: imma run a calico because it's weird and unique and I like it.
    *Accidently reignites the company because now everyone wants one*

  • @thesturm8686
    @thesturm8686 4 роки тому +723

    Calico engineer : "hey, i think i know what might help"
    Calico : *jams even more*
    Calico CEO : "WHERE'S THAT GUY?!"

    • @johnsamu
      @johnsamu 4 роки тому +70

      Possibly misleading info from an engineer from a competing company pretending to be Calico (when you hear german music in the background?)😉😁

    • @Vexian114
      @Vexian114 4 роки тому +17

      Somebody is sweating,

    • @sir0herrbatka
      @sir0herrbatka 4 роки тому +61

      @@johnsamu "Ja! Springz are weak. We will zend you a new one!"

    • @termitreter6545
      @termitreter6545 4 роки тому +15

      @@johnsamu Alles verläuft nach Plan, Herr Oberhauptfeldwebelsmann >:D

    • @Hypafrag
      @Hypafrag 4 роки тому +32

      Zet shpring iz a problem, ja. Vi ken zend you a niu van, ja. Pliz meik inaza vidio mit niu shpring.

  • @DanielMartinez-lz3ot
    @DanielMartinez-lz3ot 4 роки тому +1038

    I really want this weapon to be a success, don't want to own one but yeah.

    • @ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210
      @ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210 4 роки тому +27

      Well, it's really good lookin piece, isn't it?

    • @SparkRattle
      @SparkRattle 4 роки тому +46

      I, too, would like to see it be a success. And I would like to own one regardless.

    • @milkyyanks765
      @milkyyanks765 4 роки тому +12

      I think if it's reliable I would want one

    • @WetDoggo
      @WetDoggo 4 роки тому +13

      It's definitely a cool piece of mech and a really nice concept. That the striker spring brings trouble is unfortunate

    • @andrewrobinson4019
      @andrewrobinson4019 4 роки тому +18

      Being emotionally invested in this continued series is not what I was expecting from myself, but I’m not upset about it.

  • @fien111
    @fien111 4 роки тому +159

    "Hey Ian, why is your left index finger freakishly buff and strong?"
    "Because the Calico is very reliable!"

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce 4 роки тому +3

      I laughed out loud at this.

  • @DavidHarris-qn7em
    @DavidHarris-qn7em 4 роки тому +765

    When you cleaned the carbon out it may have carbon buildup on the firing pin tip..cleaning it may have removed that last tiny bit of what was making the old girl go bang. May need a new firing pin

    • @Zeno1150
      @Zeno1150 4 роки тому +12

      Valid point but didnt Ian change the pin since calico sent a new set?

    • @denvervandrey2883
      @denvervandrey2883 4 роки тому +118

      @@Zeno1150 not that we're aware of, as far as we know it was just a striker spring not the striker and pin itself, by those dimples it looks like a dull pin

    • @DavidHarris-qn7em
      @DavidHarris-qn7em 4 роки тому +6

      He changed the striker spring

    • @DavidHarris-qn7em
      @DavidHarris-qn7em 4 роки тому +61

      The carbon buildup may have coated the firing pin tip and gave it a few extra thousandths to make her go bang.

    • @geodkyt
      @geodkyt 4 роки тому +93

      It is also possible that cleaning it dislodged some junk that ended up fouling the firing pin or striker run (more likely the former, I would think), slowing down the firing pin just enough.

  • @EarthAltar
    @EarthAltar 4 роки тому +175

    "In case you haven't been watching..."
    Gun Jesus and his jokes.

  • @s-man5647
    @s-man5647 4 роки тому +292

    1:05 that's an engineer who knows his product. I would never have thought to listen to the nuances of dry firing

    • @isaiahcampbell488
      @isaiahcampbell488 4 роки тому +25

      That is some clocksmith quality mechanical know-how, I mean literally. To diagnose a spring problem soley based on sound, yeah!

    • @Crimsonedge1
      @Crimsonedge1 4 роки тому +20

      I'd have never have thought of it either but it makes sense... When you pull the trigger, you want a decent striking pin and good solid snap to the mechanism to ensure it has the power and reach to give the primer a good whack.
      Could be interesting to use a high end microphone to record the dry firing of a brand new weapon and compare it to a recording of an older version of the same weapon to hear the difference.

    • @trig
      @trig 4 роки тому +11

      @@Crimsonedge1 On large fast machines they use sensors to measure the vibration of the machine. As the machine ages its possible to see the vibration change and with experience plan for servicing before failure.

    • @thedude7726
      @thedude7726 4 роки тому +2

      @@isaiahcampbell488 watch the video lol. It got worse

    • @redneckhippiefreak
      @redneckhippiefreak 4 роки тому +6

      Most weapons have two or three snaps before impacting the primer, I only hear The seare release, then one strong snap and the secondary impact on the primer just sounds weak. Im no engineer but it sounds like the pin is bottoming out on some crap in the carrier.

  • @DACFalloutRanger
    @DACFalloutRanger 4 роки тому +379

    Ian flexing so hard with his 100 rounds of 9mm

    • @Y.M...
      @Y.M... 4 роки тому +8

      spoiler alert, but he hardly goes through 15 rounds before the gun malfunctions

    • @plutotheplanet5341
      @plutotheplanet5341 4 роки тому +17

      He could by a new Calico gun with that mag's worth of 9 mm

    • @JRock3091
      @JRock3091 4 роки тому +1

      That is what this whole series has been.

    • @michaelreagan904
      @michaelreagan904 4 роки тому +11

      I bought 100 rounds this week, but missed my truck payment in the process

    • @JRock3091
      @JRock3091 4 роки тому +2

      @@michaelreagan904 OOOF

  • @mienski0
    @mienski0 4 роки тому +392

    It would be funny if by mistake Ian put back the old spring

    • @ogloc6308
      @ogloc6308 4 роки тому +8

      LOL imagine

    • @michael931
      @michael931 4 роки тому +15

      The old spring worked better than that...

    • @richieb7692
      @richieb7692 4 роки тому +9

      Silly question....
      Are those springs progressive, or constant rate.
      If it's progressive and he's fitted it upside down, that may be the reason.

    • @bobroberts2371
      @bobroberts2371 4 роки тому +18

      @@richieb7692 ??? For a compression spring, the force on either side of the spring will be the same. Now, the " soft " end of a progressive spring has more coils per inch so there will be more mass to move and theoretically, this would cause a slower change in motion, but that is really pushing things.

    • @ShiningDarknes
      @ShiningDarknes 4 роки тому +4

      @@michael931 well towards the end of test 3 that old spring could no longer fire a round so...this is about what would be expected of that same spring in a fully cleaned gun.

  • @MrSpudz2
    @MrSpudz2 4 роки тому +257

    It’s a roller locked action, light strikes can also mean that the action is not fully locked into battery, and the striker force is being used to lock the bolt and not fire the ammo....

    • @matthewspencer5086
      @matthewspencer5086 4 роки тому +17

      As nirfz says, it might be weak recoil springs. But if the gun was used enough to set ALL the springs, I'd wonder if the rollers were still round where they should be round? The rollers and the surfaces they roll on are perhaps tricky bits to clean, too, and even a little bit of carbon fouling that was missed there might stop the action from closing all the way. What we don't really know is how many times this gun was fired before it was cleaned up a bit and sold, to Ian. Fouling on the bolt face rim would probably cause this fault, but that's the easiest bit to clean so the problem is probably somewhere slightly hidden, like whatever recesses the rollers go into.

    • @JW...-oj5iw
      @JW...-oj5iw 4 роки тому +7

      I would expect Ian to be fully competent in the action cleaning, but it is possible for a speck of grit to slip out of some miniscule hiding place and find its way to the striker channel and slow the striker's travel. Same possibility exists with the breech block. One other thing that may have happened is that the striker spring may have not been swapped due to having both on the table and accidentally thinking the old one was the new one during reassembly. Regardless of our speculation, Ian will thoroughly examine all the possible problems to see if he can figure out what the glitch is.

    • @murphsmodels8853
      @murphsmodels8853 4 роки тому +3

      @@JW...-oj5iw The only problem with the "Accidentally put the old striker spring back in" theory is that Ian specifically said the new one was longer than the old one. Unless he grabbed the spring and put it back in with his eyes closed, it would be hard to confuse them.

    • @JW...-oj5iw
      @JW...-oj5iw 4 роки тому +3

      @@murphsmodels8853 ... Stranger things have happened. Between the time of comparing the two springs and the reassembly, it's well within the realm of possibility that the old one could have been reinstalled inadvertently. As I recall, the light strikes weren't as pronounced as what has occurred in this case. Calicos have been around quite a while and if they had a reputation for the malfunctions seen in the videos, it would have been well known. Any mechanism built by humans can suffer from a shortcoming, either in an individual device, or in the design. If it's in the design, it would be corrected in the early years. On an individual basis, a malfunctioning device needs investigation to figure out the problem, unless it's readily obvious in a broken part. My old pump shotgun quit firing, but everything else worked perfectly, cycling rounds, but not lighting them off. Broken firing pin, not visible externally. Part of that mystery was that the front of the pin would protrude from the bolt face and the back piece where the hammer strikes appeared to be OK. I took it out and shook it, hearing the odd rattle of two parts of the firing pin. Had a gunsmith acquaintance replace it for me and it's been fine since.
      Assuming that the new, stronger striker spring is installed, perhaps the striker has a surface problem that the stiffer spring causes to bind in the channel, resulting in a higher ratio of misfires.

    • @KevinSmith-yh6tl
      @KevinSmith-yh6tl 4 роки тому +1

      GREMLINS !!!

  • @Crazt
    @Crazt 4 роки тому +65

    I love when companies pay attention to UA-camrs and take an interest in trying to improve their product rather than blame the user. Hope they help you figure this out, I'm sure Calico wants to see their weapon in a competition.

    • @onpsxmember
      @onpsxmember 4 роки тому +7

      The coolest so far was seeing comments by the actual inventor this year. That guy with the bullpup-pistol.

    • @tstststs
      @tstststs 4 роки тому +2

      @@onpsxmember Mr Arne Boberg! He had some interesting things to say about being a firearms designer and running a small business. Worth checking out the video for the comments: ua-cam.com/video/9YtFhLMJNzg/v-deo.html

  • @bdh985
    @bdh985 4 роки тому +103

    Aw, man. I was kinda rooting for the Calico...

    • @RedSntDK
      @RedSntDK 4 роки тому +26

      I still am.

    • @mattisvov
      @mattisvov 4 роки тому +9

      Me too.

    • @Stout936
      @Stout936 4 роки тому +3

      @@zackthebongripper7274 something is up with the FCG in Ian's specific calico. It's feeding fine, just not striking the primers reliably hard enough. I'm curious if he's running ammo with too hard of primers to reliably run the gun, though. My VP70 doesn't like hard primers since I lightened the striker spring, but he installed a stronger one in the Calico... Maybe the longer spring doesn't have enough room in there. Mayhap a thicker spring of the original length would do it?

    • @bdh985
      @bdh985 4 роки тому +2

      @@zackthebongripper7274 light primer strikes and it's not the Calico? Please explain. I do not profess to know what is going on with the weapon, I was just hoping it was able to get through another full magazine without malfunction.

    • @nexviper
      @nexviper 4 роки тому +10

      Even with "loads of problems" the magazine is still running strong which is what was supposed to be the thing to cause issues. I don't remember seeing anyone complaining about light strikes, but lots of complaints about feeding issues. Hope the issue can be fixed.

  • @mauserwinchester
    @mauserwinchester 4 роки тому +230

    Thats weird Ian, a stronger striker spring should have it running like clockwork, I would have a look at spring clearance, but I'm sure a Calico engineer, will be speaking to you shortly, and help resolve this issue, keep well mate.

    • @hotty3
      @hotty3 4 роки тому +1

      Could this be faulty ammonition?

    • @El-Burrito
      @El-Burrito 4 роки тому +7

      @@hotty3 I think it's just light strikes. There was a barely a dimple in those rounds that failed to fire.

    • @konzetsu6068
      @konzetsu6068 4 роки тому +2

      jamesTBurke, unfortunately that’s not how random works. You can have 2000 good ones followed by 5 bad ones. Especially if it’s a production error.

    • @CtrlAltRetreat
      @CtrlAltRetreat 4 роки тому +5

      @@jamesTBurke
      Longer firing pin, check that nothing is blocking travel, and confirm that the new spring is actually stronger than the old one.

    • @CtrlAltRetreat
      @CtrlAltRetreat 4 роки тому +5

      @@jamesTBurke
      Could just be more space between the coils. Fewer coils, different temper, thinner wire, all could make the new one potentially weaker. It's pretty easy to make a cursory subjective check on whether it feels like it's stronger, might as well right? Some testing with a stronger spring would be interesting, since those calico guys are still around, it'd be cool to get them involved.

  • @SergeantPsycho
    @SergeantPsycho 4 роки тому +183

    I feel like the screen should have faded to black, with the ominous words "To Be Continued...", followed by scary music.

    • @jtilton5
      @jtilton5 4 роки тому +5

      or in my opinion this: ua-cam.com/video/7uBqNgxAuBA/v-deo.html

    • @lilwyvern4
      @lilwyvern4 4 роки тому +4

      Or the opening breakdown to Roundabout.

  • @thompsonjerry3412
    @thompsonjerry3412 4 роки тому +48

    Did Karl touch it?

  • @jonathanenglish9146
    @jonathanenglish9146 4 роки тому +36

    When my Calico quit working back in the 90's, it turned out to be a broken firing pin.

  • @gustonzimasheen
    @gustonzimasheen 4 роки тому +59

    You really seem to like these guns so much (when they work reliably), the company may have to make you a limited edition "Ian McCalicom" rifle.jk

    • @5862457913
      @5862457913 4 роки тому +3

      who wouldnt

    • @babyboysmooth1353
      @babyboysmooth1353 4 роки тому +3

      How could you have commented 3 days ago if the video's only been out for 2?

    • @Ravenghast
      @Ravenghast 4 роки тому +3

      @@babyboysmooth1353 Early access to videos I'd expect

    • @babyboysmooth1353
      @babyboysmooth1353 4 роки тому +3

      @@Ravenghast neat

    • @dreamingflurry2729
      @dreamingflurry2729 4 роки тому

      Yeah - with either an extra-large magazine (or something to switch between two of them like those MP-40's who could take two mags with that sliding-thing added to them :D )

  • @F4celessArt
    @F4celessArt 4 роки тому +309

    My bet is on the striker spring, being of the wrong spec somehow. Alternatively the striker itself might be causing an issue, hard to say for me never having touched anything but bolt actions however.
    Also, those saying the experiment is void as the hardware changes, the magazine didn't change, and the point of the project is to test if a properly cranked magazine would run reliably, which it has been doing so far.

    • @zendell37
      @zendell37 4 роки тому +25

      It could be a spec change from old stock to new stock. Something small enough "not to matter" under normal conditions. Who knows. I'm thinking a lighter spring or lighter striker not to create enough momentum. Maybe the channel the spring is in could be slightly smaller causing more friction.
      But you are right. The mag has been 100% thus far.

    • @jimmydesouza4375
      @jimmydesouza4375 4 роки тому +20

      No actually. The experiment was to test the reliability of the Calico as a system. Ian just had an assumption going in that all of the reliability issues were from idiots that can't count.

    • @ehsnils
      @ehsnils 4 роки тому +4

      The strike was a bit off center on the cartridges as well, maybe that could explain the issue? Is the striker pin bent for some reason? Or is that the way it shall be?

    • @ww-pw6di
      @ww-pw6di 4 роки тому +14

      @@ehsnils Or like the rest of the gun was, the striker and it's surroundings were also caked to the max. A stronger spring should have created a larger dimple, but didn't which means it's mechanically (gunkly) prohibited from doing so regardless of the strength/set of the spring.So a better cleaning and making sure the striker can in fact move freely would probably fix it.

    • @Hansengineering
      @Hansengineering 4 роки тому +3

      @@jimmydesouza4375's assertion is correct.

  • @skylerstevens8887
    @skylerstevens8887 3 роки тому +8

    Waiting for round 5 once he finds out the problem. I really want this gun to do well. Too bad he probably finally ran out of 9 mm.

  • @quattroconcept4
    @quattroconcept4 4 роки тому +80

    In 2040:
    Calico rellability testing round #589. The saga still continues.

    • @dualsportrider3221
      @dualsportrider3221 4 роки тому

      U know that things been around since the 80s right? They got a lot of testing in to 2020. Was in punisher comics when I was a kid.

    • @1804unclesam
      @1804unclesam 4 роки тому +6

      Also in 2040: Currently the pandemic of COVID-27 is causing another ammo shortage.

    • @Taistelukalkkuna
      @Taistelukalkkuna 4 роки тому

      "Return of the Calico´s Sons Revenges New Adventures Continue Episode:3000 and change."

  • @johnthomas7517
    @johnthomas7517 4 роки тому +107

    I'd like to see this succeed.

    • @anthonytromp6265
      @anthonytromp6265 4 роки тому

      Why it's crap.

    • @johnthomas7517
      @johnthomas7517 4 роки тому +9

      Is it really, or is it just working out the kinks that come with all new things?

    • @SuperAWaC
      @SuperAWaC 4 роки тому +6

      @@johnthomas7517 the calico is not new.

    • @johnthomas7517
      @johnthomas7517 4 роки тому +10

      And the Garand didn't work well initially. Almost no gun (or anything at all really) works well out of the gate. Or on version 7. Took over 10 years to get the M1 right.

    • @SuperAWaC
      @SuperAWaC 4 роки тому +1

      @@johnthomas7517 The calico is a 35 year old design.

  • @ronschramm9163
    @ronschramm9163 4 роки тому +54

    "...and lo, did Gun Jesus provide a miracle to the multitude. For in this time of ammunition shortages, did He multiply the rounds into 100. His disciples gave thanks for the miracle of the Calico and the Rounds."

  • @KretinD
    @KretinD 4 роки тому +40

    Maybe the firing pin got a lil smooshed or there is some friction inside the firing pin channel. I want to run a pcc match so bad.

    • @core3086
      @core3086 4 роки тому +6

      Is it possible the firing pin took some damage from the increased spring tension

    • @raydobratz6349
      @raydobratz6349 4 роки тому

      @@core3086 I bet the firing pin is broken.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 4 роки тому

      @@core3086 possible, but I'd call it extremely unlikely. If the new striker spring was within specs for length and strength, it should not have damaged the firing pin.
      My suspicion is a badly worn firing pin, that is now a bit too short to get solid strikes on the primers. My thinking is that it had enough gunk built up on the tip to give good strikes before Ian cleaned it.

  • @lev3k
    @lev3k 4 роки тому +36

    I was going to say all the new hardware invalidated the experiment but.. clearly it didn't.
    This is a fascinating engineering case study.

    • @Redbad61
      @Redbad61 4 роки тому +3

      Such a quality channel because of the variety of topics, continuity and research into whatever needs investigation. Good for even the non gun owner to follow.

    • @Meravokas
      @Meravokas 4 роки тому +4

      Even if the striker spring was the issue of previous failures to fire. The entire experiment was on magazine/feeding reliability. Of which it is doing both. There's just something wrong with the striker. We now know it's likely a problem with the actual firing pin itself over the spring if there are still light strikes happening. But, the original point of the reliability testing was based on feeding/magazine related malfunctions.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 4 роки тому

      What do you mean "all the new hardware"?
      The only piece replaced after cleaning was a single spring.
      The cleaning did effectively reset the count on the rounds fired.

  • @recoilrob324
    @recoilrob324 3 роки тому +7

    So.....any news on what's going on with the Calico? I know you're busy and it's only been 4 months...but this really seems like a simple thing to troubleshoot so please hook us up with the final installment of how it's been fixed!

  • @MrMisterDerp
    @MrMisterDerp 4 роки тому +3

    I love my Sunday morning calico tests, nothing better to wake up to
    Edit: ok someone put 2,300 cranks on a mag, can’t even imagine what that moron was thinking... “I have to crank this thing 23 times every time I put in a bullet?!”

  • @johnielotero5180
    @johnielotero5180 4 роки тому +31

    I can't wait for the fifth entry!!!

  • @jerrystott7780
    @jerrystott7780 4 роки тому +68

    I'd check the length of the pin and the channel for burrs.

  • @1111Tactical
    @1111Tactical 4 роки тому +71

    Imagine buying a calico, having numerous jamming issues, and none of it magazine related.

    • @Rover200Power
      @Rover200Power 4 роки тому +3

      @@TheRealColBosch just made one. Fofs or fluffs. See if it catches on.

    • @Ugly_German_Truths
      @Ugly_German_Truths 4 роки тому +3

      @@TheRealColBosch Could we name it ID ... like "inflagratory Dysfunction" which should translate as "unable to fire" and obviously is leaning on "ED" ;-)

    • @Warriorcat49
      @Warriorcat49 4 роки тому

      @@TheRealColBosch The term you're looking for would be "malfunction".

    • @coolsenjoyer
      @coolsenjoyer 4 роки тому +2

      @@TheRealColBosch why do gun nerds have to be so damn pedantic all the time? jam is a commonly used colloquialism for malfunction

    • @wyattroncin941
      @wyattroncin941 4 роки тому

      @@coolsenjoyer but it's not jamming. it's failing to fire. if you're talking gun malfunctions, it's not hard to use one of a half dozen or so terms for separate failure modes.

  • @RealCptHammonds
    @RealCptHammonds 2 роки тому +3

    Did you ever get it running well?
    I'm looking forward to sending my M-100 back to them one day to do a complete upgrade on it. They are a SUPER friendly company. :)
    I really wish that I could find that optic mount.

  • @sorryociffer
    @sorryociffer 4 роки тому +9

    Good on CALICO for reaching out!

  • @johnsamu
    @johnsamu 4 роки тому +79

    Why didn't they ever put a (simple)mechanical restriction on the number of rotations you must or can make, just like in a torque wrench.
    When you reach the right number of rotations it should just click/stop and NOT allow you to continue.
    The "self counting" looks ridiculous, primitive(a source of mistakes), a simple mechanism could prevent that (aka NO rocket science).

    • @CKshouta
      @CKshouta 4 роки тому +22

      Exactly, similar system is in fact in use on airsoft magazines for more than 20 years.

    • @cybermonkey81
      @cybermonkey81 4 роки тому +11

      Definitely not grunt proof.

    • @zendell37
      @zendell37 4 роки тому +12

      Well. This is for the consumer market and cost is a big factor when making decisions. Also, to scale up the airsoft and pullback car toy system would probably be a bit too much.
      I agree that something would be nice. To me, a windowed counter would be reasonable/possible. It also shouldn't be a source of catastrophic failure if it stopped working or jammed up. Just rotating a color coded numbered dial would be perfect. White numbers until 18. 18-20 in green. 22 and 22 in Orange. 23 in red. Done. Have it reset with the same button. Or let it roll over for simplicity.

    • @thesturm8686
      @thesturm8686 4 роки тому +4

      @@cybermonkey81 22, 23, whoops....

    • @johnsamu
      @johnsamu 4 роки тому +8

      @@zendell37 It could be extremely simple and cheap. When it's torque based (just a spring and a release lever). When it's rotatation(number) based it could also be mechanically very cheap and simple. There are many mechanical cheap/simple solutions possible. That they never implemented "something" could have other unknown(perhaps valid?) reasons or maybe it's just underestimating the problem.

  • @intorsusvolo7834
    @intorsusvolo7834 4 роки тому +28

    How about pre-striking all the primers?
    :DDD

  • @madbikerwolf8664
    @madbikerwolf8664 3 роки тому +4

    It's been awhile. Will we get an update on this?

  • @thespecialbru
    @thespecialbru 4 роки тому +62

    Spoiler: TWENTY CRANKS GOOD, SPRING BAD

    • @duckdictator6531
      @duckdictator6531 4 роки тому +1

      How do you know that?

    • @dreamingflurry2729
      @dreamingflurry2729 4 роки тому +6

      Hm...maybe that engineer should visit Ian and bring a full service kit (all the parts needed to service one of their weapons!)...after that I bet it'll run :)

    • @Stevarooni
      @Stevarooni 4 роки тому +2

      @@duckdictator6531 sounds like the rounds were feeding just fine.

    • @ColdnCruel444
      @ColdnCruel444 4 роки тому

      @@duckdictator6531 how can you not? Lite strikes, small dimples on primers, seems the new springs just suck way too much.

  • @danilonakazone386
    @danilonakazone386 3 роки тому +3

    Hey Ian its bee a while now, did you figure it out what was wrong with your Calico? I'm anxious to see another video on this very interesting gun!

  • @_Hell_cat_
    @_Hell_cat_ 4 роки тому +28

    I just laid down Ian let me sleep for God's sake!

    • @JohnADoe-pg1qk
      @JohnADoe-pg1qk 4 роки тому +5

      You are lucky, it is a short video, unfortunately.

    • @ironcross6719
      @ironcross6719 4 роки тому +8

      You: sleepytime
      Ian: hey! Wanna watch me shoot a gun in the desert?
      You: (sigh) 😑 okay.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 4 роки тому +1

      Sleep is for the weak.
      Alternatively: You can sleep when you're dead.

  • @nor0845
    @nor0845 3 роки тому +4

    Was there another vid after this?

  • @erroneous_me
    @erroneous_me 4 роки тому +22

    I was watching Spaceballs a few nights ago, and noticed that the guns the Spaceballs use a heavily based on the Calico.

    • @TheBetterManInBlack
      @TheBetterManInBlack 4 роки тому +5

      I remember thinking they were unmodified Calicos when I watched it

    • @erroneous_me
      @erroneous_me 4 роки тому +4

      @@TheBetterManInBlack Magazine and front grip are painted grey and that's it I think.

    • @ADITADDICTS
      @ADITADDICTS 4 роки тому +11

      Thats funny, they didn't look druish.

    • @tommcstacker4216
      @tommcstacker4216 4 роки тому +1

      @@ADITADDICTS i saw what you did there. 😀

    • @onpsxmember
      @onpsxmember 4 роки тому +2

      May I interest you in 007 - Tomorrow never Dies?

  • @capteod
    @capteod 4 роки тому +2

    i own both a 950 and a 951, and have used the Rifle in USPSA PCC competition with good results. My only problems were in the area of "FAILURE TO FIRE" were dirt. In all cases, the problem was dirt and carbon build up. On average the problem showed up after about 500 rounds. I then used an ultrasonic cleaning tank and relubricated the bolt assembly using graphite and had no problems. As of today, I have fired over 15,000 rounds in the carbine and 8,000 rounds in the pistol. Since I started cleaning the gun on a regular basis, I have had NO failures to fire, due to light primer hits, and only 3 failures due to faulty ammunition. For the record I have 3 100 round magazines and 5 50 round magazines and never had a problem with any of them.

  • @thomaswashburn3513
    @thomaswashburn3513 3 роки тому +5

    When do we get round 5? We are all wondering!

  • @SuicideNeil
    @SuicideNeil 4 роки тому +101

    The Calico has a temperamental machine spirit; you must spend more time anointing it with the holy oils & incantations...

    • @alberto5770
      @alberto5770 4 роки тому +9

      Long live the omnisiah, brother mechanicus

    • @justinpolaski5713
      @justinpolaski5713 3 роки тому +7

      Praise Be The Holy Cog, who turns for all eternity. Praise be the Eternal Circuit

    • @ComicGladiator
      @ComicGladiator Рік тому

      How can he expect it to run with no purity seals?

    • @jrgussngussn7093
      @jrgussngussn7093 Рік тому

      Gun jesus showed us the way.

  • @voyer1999
    @voyer1999 3 роки тому +4

    What happened with this Ian?

  • @RabbitTechie
    @RabbitTechie 2 роки тому +3

    Any Update? any more vids on this I'm missing?

  • @SheyD78
    @SheyD78 3 роки тому +3

    I'd love to know the ultimate cause of the problem and whether it was actually used in that contest.

  • @unrelatedcoma
    @unrelatedcoma 3 роки тому +4

    update on Calico?

  • @hackymcgogglesface7561
    @hackymcgogglesface7561 2 роки тому +2

    (One year later)
    Did Ian stop making these Calico videos?
    Feels like the series got canceled just when it was getting good.

  • @zachelkins1229
    @zachelkins1229 2 роки тому +3

    Did you ever get this one back in running order?

  • @afngary
    @afngary 3 роки тому +3

    Any follow up on this? Can we get at least an update?

  • @Drrolfski
    @Drrolfski 4 роки тому +5

    Imagine being an engineer at Calico: "I'm sorry for this PR disaster, boss. I was 100% sure it was the striker spring."

  • @ArthurIdrisov
    @ArthurIdrisov 2 роки тому +3

    It's sad that we never heard of this gun again.

  • @LootFragg
    @LootFragg 2 роки тому +3

    So what happened after this?

  • @elbryan9
    @elbryan9 2 роки тому +2

    Was there ever an update to this? I looked through the videos and couldn't find anything.

  • @jeffreyallen3461
    @jeffreyallen3461 3 роки тому +3

    Any news on the Calico?

  • @zengamer321
    @zengamer321 3 роки тому +2

    When you're Calico malfunctions just throw an axe at the target.

  • @dualsportrider3221
    @dualsportrider3221 4 роки тому +6

    That thing runs so good till it didn't. Something went wrong w it mechanically. Im surprised spring didn't fix it. Can't wait to see what u come up w.

    • @Taolan8472
      @Taolan8472 4 роки тому +1

      Theres multiple potential causes for light strikes. If the depth of strike is consistent and similar to the fired cartridges, could be bad ammo.

  • @Stephanthesearcher
    @Stephanthesearcher 3 роки тому +2

    can not find a followup... was realy interested in what the problem was

  • @Tsototar
    @Tsototar 4 роки тому +25

    0:38 so, what you're saying is, Calico engineers can do remote problem diagnosis *auditorily* ...
    ... but it seems to introduce new problems? it seemed to work better before the new striker

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 4 роки тому

      Aurally is the word you want

    • @mfree80286
      @mfree80286 4 роки тому +3

      I'm not a Calico engineer and I heard it on the last video. It you can hear a 1/32 note or the difference between a hammer hitting something with or without your hand on it (not under it), you can tell the difference between "CLACK", "Click", and "shiik". Last video, the Calico went from click to shiik, tangibly slower auditory event on dry fire.

    • @GARDENER42
      @GARDENER42 4 роки тому

      @Ultra CNC Nah. Those were light strikes.

  • @worldtraveler930
    @worldtraveler930 3 роки тому +2

    So what is the final word on the Calico I don't think we've heard this yet?

  • @byron4545
    @byron4545 3 роки тому +3

    Any news on the issue?

  • @djdrack4681
    @djdrack4681 3 роки тому +1

    I'd be interested in a video showing some guns of your collection that are your 'preferred' guns. IE 9mm/.40cal/.45cal sized pistol, .380 or smaller concealed sized, SBR, semi-auto or auto SMG/LMG/HMGs.
    Interested to know what gun jesus prefers to run from all the stuff he's shot and handled.

  • @clintcarpentier2424
    @clintcarpentier2424 3 роки тому +3

    So... what happened?

  • @WetDoggo
    @WetDoggo 4 роки тому +3

    Is the second striker spring done too?
    If so, you should get a good quality spring and lubricate all surfaces that the spring and striker rub on with heat resistant silicon or something "dry".
    This should definitely fix this issue. (Well if you get a better spring you don't need to lubricate though 🤔)
    If you wonder: i do not own any guns (germany) but i really love the engineering behind it... I'd love to work in development, so... If ya know someone let me know 😉😁

  • @josholdham1033
    @josholdham1033 4 роки тому +3

    Im rooting for it! Even though I was surprised the company was still around 🤔

  • @wsong5086
    @wsong5086 4 роки тому +1

    My Calico (22 LR) is a fun plinker, her majesty the wife loves it. After 20 some years, it still function just fine. The magazine spring is along one (100 rds mag) and quite sensitive to the amount of turns we winded it. The best way we found in never wind it to the max, 80-85% is the most we wind it now. More reliable feed and the spring lasted a lot longer.

  • @rowgler1
    @rowgler1 4 роки тому +6

    Hope you can fix it in time and use it in the competition.

  • @ericdiesch7591
    @ericdiesch7591 4 роки тому +1

    "Calico emailed me.." Pause the video. Wait a minute, Calico is still in business? *Google calico...
    Holy crap. Calico is still in business, and making Mac 10 uppers.

  • @themobsprinter
    @themobsprinter 4 роки тому +26

    2:10 “you probably don’t want to go lower than 18.” Just like women

    • @onpsxmember
      @onpsxmember 4 роки тому +3

      In that case, I'd crank more than 23.

    • @unrelatedcoma
      @unrelatedcoma 4 роки тому +5

      thats literally the opposite of women. they age like milk after 18.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 4 роки тому

      @@unrelatedcoma I see you like high school drama and statutory charges.

    • @unrelatedcoma
      @unrelatedcoma 4 роки тому

      @@ScottKenny1978 high school drama? all that tells me is youre too beta to keep your woman in line.

    • @therideneverends1697
      @therideneverends1697 4 роки тому

      @@unrelatedcoma and *that* tells me your single

  • @jasonjjordan1075
    @jasonjjordan1075 Рік тому +2

    Round 5?
    Updates?
    Followups?

  • @donniedarko2036
    @donniedarko2036 4 роки тому +3

    These videos are great!
    It started out so promising... Hopefully Ian can get it it running reliably again.

  • @jonminer9891
    @jonminer9891 4 роки тому +1

    hi, Ian. I was sorry you couldn't use this gun in the contest. I wonder if the manufacturer isn't having a problem. He watched the show and listened carefully. They sent you a strong spring in order that the firing pin hits harder. It didn't work. Could the firing pin be hitting contaminants inside the firing pin chamber? The gun was very dirty. Can there be a build-up of soot stopping the pin from dropping all the way forward? I hope you can get this straightened out. I like Calico's design. I hope that you and Calico can solve this soon. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!

  • @jakeku2662
    @jakeku2662 2 роки тому +2

    Gun Jesus, please bless us with an update on this weapon.

  • @hilldwler420
    @hilldwler420 4 роки тому +19

    Calico still makes guns? I thought they were 10 toes up???

    • @manganvbg90
      @manganvbg90 4 роки тому +2

      Yea i was amazed by that as well.

    • @onpsxmember
      @onpsxmember 4 роки тому

      I thought they're mainly sitting on shelved parts for decades.

  • @UnDeaDCyBorg
    @UnDeaDCyBorg 3 роки тому +2

    So what happened since then? It's been months.

  • @Hubert_Cumberdale_
    @Hubert_Cumberdale_ 4 роки тому +3

    It worked so well the first two times, what is going on?

  • @cwelty1164
    @cwelty1164 3 роки тому +1

    I used to own one of these in 22 caliber… Right before the Brady bill. It was a fun little plinker! I am very curious to know Ian, did you get it running right? And did you take it to the competition? How did you do? How many jaws dropped when you pulled it out of your bag? How many people swore under their breath when they realized you did not have to change magazines?

  • @chalkster4723
    @chalkster4723 4 роки тому +4

    Do you/did you, oil the weapon prior to firing? That brief clip when looking at the filthy component parts, it all appears very dry!

    • @nzoththedeepwatcher1616
      @nzoththedeepwatcher1616 4 роки тому +1

      From what I understand he usually runs them dry since the conditions where he is make oil more problematic than not? Atleast I think so.

    • @chalkster4723
      @chalkster4723 4 роки тому

      @@kenbrown2808 haha, morale of the story..... Never assume anything!

    • @chalkster4723
      @chalkster4723 4 роки тому

      @@kenbrown2808 Wow? Hold fire mate. I think you've jumped to an immediate conclusion without understanding my point! I haven't criticised Ian whatsoever, nor would I. My primary point/observation was very simple, was the weapon oiled prior to firing? That was it.
      The 'never assume anything comment' was a comment said with a degree of humour to it. I operate a car garage & if people don't tell you the whole story you can ofter be fault finding for hours simply because an important point hasn't been mentioned.

    • @chalkster4723
      @chalkster4723 4 роки тому

      @@kenbrown2808Agreed. I'm certainly aware & admit not having seen the previous parts to this particular case! As you mention I may have missed the vital nugget 😁👍🏻

    • @chalkster4723
      @chalkster4723 4 роки тому

      @@kenbrown2808 I've never seen this particular rifle before now. It's certainly an interesting design that's for sure.

  • @Curtissaviation
    @Curtissaviation 4 роки тому +1

    Could the replacement spring be for the. 22 version? Thus accounting for the lighter strike?

  • @scipio10000
    @scipio10000 4 роки тому +6

    'Lo', the Calico proved itself unworthy of Gun Jesus, and He casteth the reprobate amongst the wall decorations.' Fourth Letter to the PCC owners, 5:39.

  • @tumate45
    @tumate45 2 роки тому +2

    Sooooo, Ian said that he will come back with some news about the weapon....taht was a year ago, what happened to the gun?

    • @BatsofPrey
      @BatsofPrey Рік тому

      Getting close to 2.5 years since the miniseries on it started 😢

  • @unknownsauce3768
    @unknownsauce3768 4 роки тому +6

    I was surprised to see one of these for sale in Australia! Different however with wooden stocks etc

    • @0418182308lw
      @0418182308lw 4 роки тому +4

      Yeah that one has been kicking around for a while. I would love to gety hands on it

    • @worldtraveler930
      @worldtraveler930 4 роки тому +1

      I came Very close to buying one of those.

    • @DH-xw6jp
      @DH-xw6jp 4 роки тому +1

      @@0418182308lw "that one"
      As in one individual gun in all of Australia, or one particular model?

    • @0418182308lw
      @0418182308lw 4 роки тому +1

      @@DH-xw6jp I'm pretty sure it's the same gun every time

    • @DH-xw6jp
      @DH-xw6jp 4 роки тому

      @@0418182308lw wow.

  • @hollowscarf
    @hollowscarf 4 роки тому +1

    Auto-captions are great... 3:45 [Applause]. UA-cam loves Ian shooting the calico.

  • @hekkenschutz
    @hekkenschutz 4 роки тому +10

    Thank you Gun Jesus

  • @Bleh693
    @Bleh693 Рік тому +2

    Is there no conclusion video or a round 5?

  • @elijahtalmud8281
    @elijahtalmud8281 4 роки тому +4

    Calico engineers on suicide watch.

  • @mixpick138
    @mixpick138 3 роки тому +1

    Crap. I was really rooting for this thing to run --such a unique magazine design. Great series though --thanks!

  • @McCaroni_Sup
    @McCaroni_Sup 4 роки тому +15

    "One minute ago"

  • @MWRJET
    @MWRJET 5 місяців тому +1

    I haven’t seen any videos after this. Could you make another video where you show us, or at least let us know, if you solved the problem.

  • @tylerkimble715
    @tylerkimble715 4 роки тому +16

    Looks like the striker isn't catching on the sear as the gun cycles from here, new spring may be too long or strong for the ammo.

    • @zendell37
      @zendell37 4 роки тому +1

      Oh! Good idea! It's at least something other than people complaining about the methods.
      I will say the gun goes click on each of these. It makes me wonder if there's a "safety" catch on the striker where it could partially go back and catch.

    • @konstantinavilov1192
      @konstantinavilov1192 4 роки тому +3

      Nope, it doesn't look so: there were consistent "click"-s when the rifle malfunctioned. So the striker was cocked on the sear and then released.
      Thus, it looks more like problems with the striker "ways" or the striker itself.

    • @konstantinavilov1192
      @konstantinavilov1192 4 роки тому

      @@nirfz I guess, recoil springs have nothing to do with the force of striker hits if they are strong enough to push the bolt into battery. The striker spring pushes back on the reciever, not on the recoil springs.

    • @Kaboomf
      @Kaboomf 4 роки тому +2

      @@konstantinavilov1192 if the recoil springs don't push the bolt carrier all the way into battery, the way this action works (just like the HK roller locked guns) the striker won't reach all the way to set off the primer. I've seen similar light strikes on G3 rifles, when people unfamiliar with them rode the charging handle so the bolt didn't slam all the way into battery.

    • @konstantinavilov1192
      @konstantinavilov1192 4 роки тому

      @@Kaboomf Good point. But it really depends upon how much the firing pin protrudes from the back surface of the bolt and what are the mechenical limits of the linear hammer's movement.

  • @kvakerbillduck9500
    @kvakerbillduck9500 3 роки тому +2

    Any update on reliability?

  • @literallyjudas2157
    @literallyjudas2157 4 роки тому +14

    "thirteen seconds ago"
    nice

  • @robertcolbourne386
    @robertcolbourne386 4 роки тому +1

    Put the old Spring back in lol couldn't hurt or maybe get some graphite power to simulate the carbon fouling lol Though i am impressed Calico reached out to you , that was nice of them since an old gun doesn't really reflect badly on them to the same degree it would if this was anew product review.

  • @VosperCDN
    @VosperCDN 4 роки тому +3

    M04 Desert camo, and another Calico reborn video - nice.

  • @tsogid
    @tsogid 3 місяці тому +1

    So whatever happened to this gun? Any updates I've missed?

  • @timothyendsley5833
    @timothyendsley5833 2 роки тому +2

    Have you every got it running Again