The best part about this program is free installation up to 80 ft. That should cover over 75% of installations in single family homes. There isn’t a dollar limit. But, what makes no sense is using their gigantic, big footprint 80 amp charger limited to 48 amps. They have a smaller 48 amp model which makes much better sense. Even if you wanted to pay Qmerit extra money for 80A connection, very, very few people will have spare 100 amp service in their panel. And Ford bidirectional charging requires more equipment.
Inside EVs article on this includes some of the details Patrick wasn’t sure about - 60 amp service, 80 ft of wiring with no trenching, working with a specific installer Qmerit. Evidently applies to purchase or lease.
FYI: 80 A charger (EVSE) requires a 100 A breaker and allows for 19.2 kW of charging. That's fairly fast charging. I'm not sure the Mach-E can even charge that fast. My son's seems to max at 11.5 kW (48 A) and is a little bit flakey at that rate. I've downgraded it to a 40 A (9.6 kW) Wallbox w/power sharing and it is happy. That big charger is for the F-150 Lightning, which can handle it and do bi-directional with the remaining equipment.
Cool! Now, here I am, two years and 36,000 miles into owning my California Route One, using the included 110v charger with no issues. Of course, I'm still waiting on my Ford Tesla adapter that was supposed to arrive September 30th. (That was today, I'm not holding my breath.)
The one thing before buying an EV is have an electrician check your break box I got all excited and purchased my EV then when I started to look at how I was going to connect up the charger which is emporia highly recommend that charger, after about three quotes because I wanted the charger on their separate garage we have to have a new panel so 14,000 for installation and then there was another 1,500 for trenching could claim some of it because I have my own business so it's just a thing you might want to look into before you jump in to an ev
You should also shop around electricians you're not getting ripped off. Baker Brothers wanted to charge me 2 grand for a short conduit from the box to a short distance and outlet, together it to the garage was about 6 grand. I got another electrician (who did a GREAT job btw) to do the first one for 550$ lol
When GM did this for Bolt sales, the "free" install was not very free. Installers find ways to get around the terms of the free install program. Hope Ford does better.
They control the supply of these charging stations. Tesla is responsible for the adapters and they have had huge delays in part because they laid off their entire charging team.
Hey Patrick love the blog and I just have a qiuck question thats a little off topic but would appreiciate your opinion. I have heard that when charging one should only charge to 80% or it may end up affecting the battery life. Have you heard of this and what do you think if so? Thanks and keep doing what youre doing for the EV world!
Hmm doesn't sadly Ford doesn't say current owner's get a credit they get the new 24/7 support and road side new ev buyers starting 10.1 get the home charge station
Really the Tesla adapter issue is due to Ford believing that Tesla what do what they promised. Tesla has been dragging their feet on production, expansion of access to the Supercharger network, and new Supercharger network installs. This is 100% due to Elon laying nearly all of the Supercharger team in early May. They are finally getting back on track with the adapters: electrek.co/2024/08/26/tesla-ramps-up-nacs-adapter-production-to-8000-week-amid-slow-supercharger-opening/
Good video, as always. I own a Mach-e and a Plug in Escape. They both are great vehicles. Almost all the miles on the Escape are electric, except a couple of road trips. The Escape isn't under powered at 210 hp. My 1992 Mustang 5.0 had 225 hp. The maintenance really isn't much more the Mach-e, just add an oil change once a year. It would be too difficult to go to Big Bend National Park in an EV. There still needs to be much more charging locations in Texas. At least Ford PHEVs are well made ways to drive electric 90% of the time.
Why 80A? Most people are going to need another subpanel in their garage to use that, or even a service upgrade from their power company, especially if you have 100/125A service at your home. You definitely aren't installing an 80A breaker if you only have 100/125A service to your house.
To install an 80 amp charger at full power, you would need a 100 amp breaker. You are correct that very few of the customers would have that kind of spare energy off of their main panel without a service upgrade that would certainly not be covered by their installation Bass fees. That being said, I am sure that the Ford charger can be configured to any amperage certainly down to 32 A which requires a 40 amp breaker or 16 A that requires a 20 amp breaker. Of course optimally I would suggest trying to get a 50 amp breaker on it and configure it to 40 A which is generally the max power of most EV vehicles other than pick up trucks.
When I saw “Ford’s NEW Power Promise”, I said to myself, “Have we reached an inflection point yet? This ad will tell. If it’s all about a bigger badder planet busting gas guzzler, nope; we haven’t reached it yet. But, if it’s about electric vehicles, yep; we’ve reached it.” Yep, we’ve reached it.
I was supposed to get my Tesla adapter in September from my email order confirmation email, it's October now, I called their parts number provided in the email, and the guy said he doesn't know when or if I will get my adapter, 😢
Patrick - Great presentation! You covered a lot of information-points in a short time, and you and Liv are true Ambassadors for people taking the plunge into ANY EV BRAND, and not just your beloved MACH-e. (Bolt Owner here). Three words to any prospective EV owner: EDUCATION-EDUCATION-EDUCATION. Also, research brands before you buy - UA-cam has dozens and dozens of solid, reliable content from long-time EV-ers on every aspect of purchase, and - Ding-Ding - EDUCATING YOURSELF about that new animal in the driveway! 👉 This is NOT an ICE-CAR, and, unless you get lucky, the Dealership people will not know much detail about EVs. Time invested in study offers a good experience, versus confusion and “learning the hard-way!” Congratulations to Ford. BTW - GM has some similar perks, or did have a year ago. Some States have incentives, and our excellent electric company, Power New Mexico, also provides subsidies, and $.03 per kWh for off-peak home EV. This IS the future. 👊👍👍
Hi Patrick as always thank you for the great information just a couple of questions I clicked on your links in the description, but I didn’t see anything about how to get in on the free charger with power promise am I missing something? Do you know if this will apply to EV owners in Canada .Also related to the Mustang club of America not sure if you have any pull in this area but as I live in Canada when I try to sign up, I have to choose a state now I’m close to Montana so I could choose that one but I wonder if you could get them to just add Canada as an option first date so at least we north of the 49th parallel could be informed as I do plan on doing some road trips and I’d be so great to be able to tie in to meet up with some of you guys look forward to your reply thanks
I'll see what I can find out about this program for Canada. As for the Mach-E Club, I'm trying to figure out the best way to expand to Canada and then Europe. The problem is that we have to make sure it is structured so that is compliant with privacy and tax laws.
Tesla is finally ramping up production after many delays. electrek.co/2024/08/26/tesla-ramps-up-nacs-adapter-production-to-8000-week-amid-slow-supercharger-opening/
Seems like a desperation move from Ford, but cant argue this. Sadly if you already have a home EV charger you dont get anything from this promo, but you are paying for it in the MSRP whether you like it or not. Hopefully they do offer something for this, like $500-1500 instant cash off of the price of the car.
Desperation? It sounds to me like they investigated why mainstream buyers are hesitant about buying an EV and found a way to help overcome that. Great solution and way better than free DCFC for a couple of years.
Very funny! Good one. How come Ford isn’t saying anything to Canadian customers about this? No communication or are we the second or third class? That don’t get anything. Like they didn’t even offer a travel charger.
Ford still has that option for you, but we prefer all electric. JD Power just did a survey and they have found that EV owners have higher satisfaction than Hybrid owners.
Amps X volts = watts. 240 volts times 80 amps provides 19,200 watts (19.2 kilowatts). Most residential properties with 240 volt circuits are only 40-50 amps. Most EVs are limited to 11 kW or less when AC charging.
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The best part about this program is free installation up to 80 ft. That should cover over 75% of installations in single family homes. There isn’t a dollar limit.
But, what makes no sense is using their gigantic, big footprint 80 amp charger limited to 48 amps. They have a smaller 48 amp model which makes much better sense.
Even if you wanted to pay Qmerit extra money for 80A connection, very, very few people will have spare 100 amp service in their panel. And Ford bidirectional charging requires more equipment.
Inside EVs article on this includes some of the details Patrick wasn’t sure about - 60 amp service, 80 ft of wiring with no trenching, working with a specific installer Qmerit. Evidently applies to purchase or lease.
FYI: 80 A charger (EVSE) requires a 100 A breaker and allows for 19.2 kW of charging. That's fairly fast charging. I'm not sure the Mach-E can even charge that fast. My son's seems to max at 11.5 kW (48 A) and is a little bit flakey at that rate. I've downgraded it to a 40 A (9.6 kW) Wallbox w/power sharing and it is happy. That big charger is for the F-150 Lightning, which can handle it and do bi-directional with the remaining equipment.
Yep, I mentioned that in the video. Mach-E can't pull that much power or use the bidirectional feature. Seems odd to me.
Thanks Patrick for this video! Your buddy Kyle is the only person I have seen that has ran out of charge twice on a F-150 lightning 😂
Cool! Now, here I am, two years and 36,000 miles into owning my California Route One, using the included 110v charger with no issues. Of course, I'm still waiting
on my Ford Tesla adapter that was supposed to arrive September 30th. (That was today, I'm not holding my breath.)
Hope it comes soon. It was great meeting you the other day! - Liv
@@MachE_VLOG Thank you, Liv! It was great to see you both!! Keep up the good work!!
Ford is upping its game for new owners! Good to see. I just attended NDEW in Las Vegas, and answered questions like these from attendees.
The one thing before buying an EV is have an electrician check your break box I got all excited and purchased my EV then when I started to look at how I was going to connect up the charger which is emporia highly recommend that charger, after about three quotes because I wanted the charger on their separate garage we have to have a new panel so 14,000 for installation and then there was another 1,500 for trenching could claim some of it because I have my own business so it's just a thing you might want to look into before you jump in to an ev
You should also shop around electricians you're not getting ripped off. Baker Brothers wanted to charge me 2 grand for a short conduit from the box to a short distance and outlet, together it to the garage was about 6 grand. I got another electrician (who did a GREAT job btw) to do the first one for 550$ lol
When GM did this for Bolt sales, the "free" install was not very free. Installers find ways to get around the terms of the free install program. Hope Ford does better.
Ford, keep promising accessories. I can’t even get my adapter that I ordered in February.
They control the supply of these charging stations. Tesla is responsible for the adapters and they have had huge delays in part because they laid off their entire charging team.
Hey Patrick love the blog and I just have a qiuck question thats a little off topic but would appreiciate your opinion. I have heard that when charging one should only charge to 80% or it may end up affecting the battery life. Have you heard of this and what do you think if so? Thanks and keep doing what youre doing for the EV world!
Did you ever get an answer to this question?
@@brentberry1525 no but I did find out on my Ford app that Ford recommends 90% charge, no more.
I feel like the towing thing sounds silly, but we gotta fight past peoples negative thoughts about EVs. Even if it does seem to play into those ideas
Hmm doesn't sadly Ford doesn't say current owner's get a credit they get the new 24/7 support and road side new ev buyers starting 10.1 get the home charge station
Ive also be promised a Tesla adapter since February and have heard absolutely nothing ! Last I heard was September.......20 hours to go Ford !
Really the Tesla adapter issue is due to Ford believing that Tesla what do what they promised. Tesla has been dragging their feet on production, expansion of access to the Supercharger network, and new Supercharger network installs. This is 100% due to Elon laying nearly all of the Supercharger team in early May. They are finally getting back on track with the adapters: electrek.co/2024/08/26/tesla-ramps-up-nacs-adapter-production-to-8000-week-amid-slow-supercharger-opening/
Good video, as always. I own a Mach-e and a Plug in Escape. They both are great vehicles. Almost all the miles on the Escape are electric, except a couple of road trips. The Escape isn't under powered at 210 hp. My 1992 Mustang 5.0 had 225 hp. The maintenance really isn't much more the Mach-e, just add an oil change once a year. It would be too difficult to go to Big Bend National Park in an EV. There still needs to be much more charging locations in Texas. At least Ford PHEVs are well made ways to drive electric 90% of the time.
Why 80A? Most people are going to need another subpanel in their garage to use that, or even a service upgrade from their power company, especially if you have 100/125A service at your home. You definitely aren't installing an 80A breaker if you only have 100/125A service to your house.
To install an 80 amp charger at full power, you would need a 100 amp breaker. You are correct that very few of the customers would have that kind of spare energy off of their main panel without a service upgrade that would certainly not be covered by their installation Bass fees. That being said, I am sure that the Ford charger can be configured to any amperage certainly down to 32 A which requires a 40 amp breaker or 16 A that requires a 20 amp breaker. Of course optimally I would suggest trying to get a 50 amp breaker on it and configure it to 40 A which is generally the max power of most EV vehicles other than pick up trucks.
You can step down the ford connector down to the amps available to you
Dang, I bought my Mach-E on Sept 20th... 11 days too soon for the free charger and installation!
Call them tomorrow. Ask them to honor it
Does this include leasing or just purchasing?
When I saw “Ford’s NEW Power Promise”, I said to myself, “Have we reached an inflection point yet? This ad will tell. If it’s all about a bigger badder planet busting gas guzzler, nope; we haven’t reached it yet. But, if it’s about electric vehicles, yep; we’ve reached it.” Yep, we’ve reached it.
How will it help people in apartments? Strange the portable charger is not included anymore?
I just bought a mach e 2wks ago, I hope I’ll qualify for this! It sounds great!
Sorry, program doesn't start until Oct 1
Call the dealer tomorrow. They may honor it.
Do I miss out if I bought my New 2023 Lightning on Sept. 22, 2024?
Unfortunately, looks like it.
Do these apply to buying a used mache
No, only new.
Three years too late for us. Bummer. Would have much rather had this than the free DCFC.
I was supposed to get my Tesla adapter in September from my email order confirmation email, it's October now, I called their parts number provided in the email, and the guy said he doesn't know when or if I will get my adapter, 😢
Patrick - Great presentation! You covered a lot of information-points in a short time, and you and Liv are true Ambassadors for people taking the plunge into ANY EV BRAND, and not just your beloved MACH-e. (Bolt Owner here). Three words to any prospective EV owner: EDUCATION-EDUCATION-EDUCATION. Also, research brands before you buy - UA-cam has dozens and dozens of solid, reliable content from long-time EV-ers on every aspect of purchase, and - Ding-Ding - EDUCATING YOURSELF about that new animal in the driveway! 👉 This is NOT an ICE-CAR, and, unless you get lucky, the Dealership people will not know much detail about EVs. Time invested in study offers a good experience, versus confusion and “learning the hard-way!” Congratulations to Ford. BTW - GM has some similar perks, or did have a year ago. Some States have incentives, and our excellent electric company, Power New Mexico, also provides subsidies, and $.03 per kWh for off-peak home EV. This IS the future. 👊👍👍
Hi Patrick as always thank you for the great information just a couple of questions I clicked on your links in the description, but I didn’t see anything about how to get in on the free charger with power promise am I missing something? Do you know if this will apply to EV owners in Canada .Also related to the Mustang club of America not sure if you have any pull in this area but as I live in Canada when I try to sign up, I have to choose a state now I’m close to Montana so I could choose that one but I wonder if you could get them to just add Canada as an option first date so at least we north of the 49th parallel could be informed as I do plan on doing some road trips and I’d be so great to be able to tie in to meet up with some of you guys look forward to your reply thanks
I'll see what I can find out about this program for Canada.
As for the Mach-E Club, I'm trying to figure out the best way to expand to Canada and then Europe. The problem is that we have to make sure it is structured so that is compliant with privacy and tax laws.
Still waiting for my Tesla adapter since February!
We also ordered in Feb and just got ours last week...Good luck!
Tesla is finally ramping up production after many delays. electrek.co/2024/08/26/tesla-ramps-up-nacs-adapter-production-to-8000-week-amid-slow-supercharger-opening/
Seems like a desperation move from Ford, but cant argue this. Sadly if you already have a home EV charger you dont get anything from this promo, but you are paying for it in the MSRP whether you like it or not. Hopefully they do offer something for this, like $500-1500 instant cash off of the price of the car.
Desperation? It sounds to me like they investigated why mainstream buyers are hesitant about buying an EV and found a way to help overcome that. Great solution and way better than free DCFC for a couple of years.
Definitely agree with Patrick here, it really shows forge trying to leave the concerns of future EV owners. I think they’re doing a great job.
Very funny! Good one. How come Ford isn’t saying anything to Canadian customers about this? No communication or are we the second or third class? That don’t get anything. Like they didn’t even offer a travel charger.
This sucks! I just bought a Mach-e just a few days before this program started:(
That sux, but congratulations on your new ride! We have two Mach e’s. A 2022 and 2024.
“We are not going back” to ICE.
Hi Patrick can you talk in kW when it comes to the charger I will better understand
80 amp = 19.2 kw. 240*80 = 19,200 watts. The Mach-E caps at 11.5kw or 48 amps. Lightning can do 80 amps.
@@thewaterboy2013 ok thanks Sir
I think going all EV is a mistake! I don't see a use in plug in hybrids! I'm a fan of a more traditional hybrid that you don't plug in.
Ford still has that option for you, but we prefer all electric. JD Power just did a survey and they have found that EV owners have higher satisfaction than Hybrid owners.
What 800amps gives in kW
Around 350kw
Amps X volts = watts. 240 volts times 80 amps provides 19,200 watts (19.2 kilowatts). Most residential properties with 240 volt circuits are only 40-50 amps. Most EVs are limited to 11 kW or less when AC charging.