An evening with George Monbiot in Ghent discussing the future of food.
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2022
- Recorded on November 21, 2022 in Ghent, Belgium.
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Excellent talk, moderation, discussion and questions. Thank you all. Much food for thought and action here.
So inspiring! I am going to share and spread the word!
Excellent discussion!
Absolutely.
@15:50 I think a very effective action would be to do just that: show the public what happens, how the meat industry works. Pig and chicken farms, feedlots, transporting the animals, and the processing in the slaughterhouse. Not the stories about soy growing and deforestation, but what happens right next door and how it ends up in the supermarket.
Nice discussion.
Can someone tell me how much eggs would cost without being subsidized? Ty please
Not that much, probably.If you grow chickens yourself, in your backyard, you are not receiving any subsidies afaik. Probably 20cts per egg more? I pay 40cts per ‘free range egg’, where 60cts would be perfectly acceptable.
But I DO like eggs….Could human menstruation be made tasty to eat , I wonder?
I do not want my physics, biology, agriculture, zoology and the rest of hard reality badly blended with radical left didactic ideology, so thank you Monbiot, but no thank you. Do not call us, we will call you.
You keep on sticking your head in the sand like a certain ostrich and pull it out when the planet you clearly so take for granted eating your pork cutlets and steak bites has gone up in flames. Well done for giving a shit.
George Monbiot is on the road to long-term illness. He may have decided to go vegan in 2016, but his aging body desperately needs B12 and other B vitamins.
At no point does Monbiot state he takes any supplements - in any videos or his Guardian articles. It's as if he woke up one day and decided he'd had his own eureka moment to solve the climate crisis. Precision fermentation MUST include B vitamins and especially B12. Without it, our health will deteriorate, our gut lining will suffer and we will become ill.
Monbiot also misses out on a discussion of the gut microbiome, which contains over 100 trillion microbial cells. We need the right combination of microbes to be healthy. So without natural agriculture, using the earth as the source of our power, how will we bypass the natural process? Gene editing? This is playing with fire.
I know it's an inconvenient truth but it must be stated, since modern medicine knows little to nothing about the impact of B12 deficiency. Go and talk to a Doctor and ask them how much training they received on it.
Like Monbiot says, there is no single, simple answer. It is much more complicated and must be carefully considered. But also, Monbiot has a DUTY to inform others of the vitamin deficiencies THEY WILL EXPERIENCE without supplementation to replace the meat that's missing.
Yes, we need B12, so animals are injected in the farms. This vitamine doesn't come from animals.
@@iutubiutampoc yes, the vitamin comes from the earth - from soil. Consciously farmed animals graze in the soil, and digest the soil. But they also produce a small amount of B12 in their gut.
Some farmers may inject them too, but that is not the primary place that B12 is sourced.
So your statement of 'B12 doesn't come from animals' is incorrect.
Do you agree that Monbiot has a responsibility to highlight his own dietary plan, as a vegan, before he proselytizes veganism.
Otherwise, all we are doing is swapping one problem for another - severe illness on an already burnt out and oversubscribed medical system.
Negligence kills.
Most of animals are in intensive farms.
@@iutubiutampoc I'm sure they are. But we still need to eat them for B12, B6, selenium, zinc, magnesium.
Without B12 we can die. A deficiency is a disaster for our health. And its the one vitamin we cannot get from plants.
Monbiot's only 6 years into his veganism. That's not long enough to be an expert.
We can't swap one set of problems for another based on ideological ego-boosting. Monbiot needs to do his homework.
Indeed, let's consider the crucial vitamin B12, vegans are often told they are deficient because they don't eat animal products. But the reality is animals do not synthesise B12 themselves. It is in fact gut microbes inside these animals that creates the B12. The same holds true for many minerals. It is in fact symbiotic relationships between plant roots and soil microbes that allow uptake of crucial minerals into plant materials, which only after being eaten and digested become part of animal flesh.
What precision fermentation aims to do is is harness these microbial processes and instead of using animal gut/stomachs... to brew them, produce the same crucial vitamins, (and uptake of minerals, like iron) inside brewing vessels. So we're really switching from farming macro-organisms(cows, chickens, pigs...), to farming microorganisms.