First Fire in Nevada Northern #81 in 60 Years!
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- We were on hand for the hydro tests and first fire of Nevada Northern #81! We were in Ely just to get in a ride behind Nevada Northern #40 before it put away for two years for rebuild and just lucked out!
Wikipedia
The Nevada Northern Railway (reporting mark NN) was a railroad in the U.S. state of Nevada, built primarily to reach a major copper producing area in White Pine County, Nevada. The railway, constructed in 1905-06, extended northward about 140 miles from Ely to connections with the Western Pacific Railroad at Shafter and Southern Pacific Railroad at Cobre. In 1967 NN reported 40 million net ton-miles of revenue freight on 162 miles of line.
Nevada Northern Railway today
Excursion train hauled by locomotive No. 40, in 2005. #40 was purchased new in 1910 for $13,139.
In a series of donations beginning in 1986, Kennecott transferred the entire Ore Line, as well as the railroad's yard and shop facilities in East Ely, to the White Pine Historical Railroad Foundation, a non-profit organization which today operates the property as the Nevada Northern Railway Museum which operates a heritage railroad on this part of the former NN.
Passenger excursion train service is offered between Ely, Ruth, and McGill using period equipment pulled by historic steam and diesel locomotives.
In April 2006, Nevada's National Historic Landmarks Committee granted unanimous support to nominating the Nevada Northern's East Ely shops complex as a National Historic Landmark. The nomination was approved by the National Park Service on September 27, 2006.[6]
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“Safety First” 8:41looks at big hose, then trips on it! 😁
Mike Roberti well sure. That’s what you do! Oh! Look out for this! Crash....
This was an exciting episode! I love seeing these old steamers being repaired and revived after years of sitting static. Looking forward to the day to see all three steam locomotives fired up simultaneously.
Thank you once again for another fine video.
I 2nd that response! It is inspirational to see others passion for history and these old relics being brought back to life. What a sight!
How marvelous it is to see these big beautiful machines being restored and put back into service !!
gary johnson right!!! Love seeing this.
I worked at the North Carolina Transportation Museum in Spencer NC while in high school in the restoration shop of the roundhouse. I learned a ton in the three years I was there. The year I graduated (2002) the 604 formerly the Buffalo Creek and Gauley number 4 was at it 15 year rebuild time. I helped dismantle it for a boiler survey. The man that conducted the boiler survey was the former head of NS steam shop in Birmingham Alabama, Robert Yuill. When that shut down he went out on his own rebuilding steam locomotives. The man I worked under at the museum told him about me and how enthusiastic I was and willing to learn. Robert approached me and ask if I'd like to go to work with him. At 18 and with my love of steam and the offer he was proposing was like a dream. I worked with him for a year and a half rebuilding the 4-4-0 at the Wilmington and Western RR in Wilmington Delaware and had plans to continue on to his next project but I ended up having a child and did not pursue the job. Living out of town three to five weeks at a time and working seven days a week ten to fourteen hours a day was ok by myself but starting a family in the mix just wouldn't have worked. I ended up getting bogged down with life in a local job and have never went back to steam locomotives but I really wish I'd found a way and stayed with it. It was fun and the money was great and I was proud of the accomplishments and what I'd done and could say I did that. Life happens differently sometimes than what you'd like for it to though I guess. Great video. I always love to see these old beauties come back to life. Stay well. -Wil 👍
William Bryant hi Wil! Well that’s a great story. That’s great that you were rebuilding that 4-4-0! That’s my favorite style of locomotive of all time. Yeah it’s sort of interesting the weird paths our lives take when we were young. Some people end up rebuilding the steam locomotives and some people end up being lawyers, and it might just be because of something that happened one afternoon. Anyway it’s really great that you had that experience!
Good update!
What a business to work for. Rebuilding antiques for a living sounds like a dream, especially when it comes to locomotives. I would kill for a career like this.
Bryson Grondin John also has a huge shop where they rebuild full sized freight cars! That’s the real money. But I don’t think he goes there often. He’s a few hundred miles from there rebuilding steam locomotives.
I think that guy must have one of the best jobs there is rebuilding steam locomotives! How rewarding.
KenFromOC hard hard work but fun and rewarding
Always a wonderful moment when a steel egg cracks open and a new steam engine is born. Thanks for this and how great are the new generation of steam engine devotees!
mark lundgren and this is a great one! Like new!
The steam locomotive mechanics who worked on these in their day would be proud to see that a trade of this sort is not dead and it's keeping their pride an joy alive. 👊👊👊👊👊
VW Insanity and their skills.
Thank you for your wonderful site and program what a blessed couple you are , love watching it .
Real men drink boiler coffee! Mark..what can I say what a blessing for love & drive, Hopefully I'll be there too Dale.
It will be a gas! Er.. coal!!!
@@ToyManTelevision true to her firebox 1978 I fired/maintained a converted to diesel/steam she DEMANDED someone pay attention!
Love/hate relationship esp.rodding her in a wyo.wind ya..been blk.b4
Burnt,scolded but boy I had her whistle down!
81 awoke after 62 years. I can’t wait to see her running excursions!
Matt Gaming soon. We are heading back out there as they’re going to have a little sendoff ceremony for number 40 and they will have 81 fired up and factory will have all three locomotives fired up but I doubt 81 will be in any condition to be moved just under steam
As was stated in this video, the interest of the general public has let to the demand and need for #81 to be referb'd but it can't be understated how important UA-cam channels like this one really are. When rail fans can keep up to date on these projects and then make plans to see them in person. Thank you for all the effort that goes into making these videos! Still one of my favorite channels
Open Roader just looked over your channel and subbed immediately! Thanks. Cool bike.
@@ToyManTelevision Thank you very much. I do have one train related video on my channel of the Italian National Train Museum in Naples. Extensive steam works, locos and much more ua-cam.com/video/IhnZMC5pTg4/v-deo.html My video was absolutely inspired by your channel.
Being a lover of anything steam its wonderful to see another locomotive restored and especially after so many yrs and it just shows the commitment of people to restore them for folks like us to enjoy. My local heritage railway in the UK saw a similar restoration of a more modern locomotive that ran in 2019 after 54 yrs of lying dormant, 19 yrs of that spent in a scrap yard. My hat goes off to the many people that spend hrs restoring these wonderful machines 🙂
leslie dickinson I think you have more operating steam locomotives there than we have. In spite of being so much smaller. No matter. We really want to come across the pond and see that.
@@ToyManTelevision I can promise you wont be let down by what you find over here and you dont have to travel far from one railway to another I also didnt add in the first message what a really enjoyable channel this is and your both such fun people.
It’s a absolute joy to see another steam locomotive feel the fire on her firebox again
Caffeinestealer right! Great day!!
Steam locomotives take so much skillful labor to maintain I'm glad to see some young faces learning the trades and working on the steamers. I love your still photos. Thanks.
bill timmons hi. Yup. Quite a crew there. Hard hard work! But rewarding.
Great to see her running again
Awesome thanks guys your the best God bless .
Talk about getting very lucky on being at the right place and at the right time. But since I could not be there I am so happy that you were able to video this and show it to us.
Hi! This was so lucky. And no idea John was doing it. And there he was, and they were lighting the fire! Wow!!!!
We just explored salt lakes newest park. Sort of. It will be at some point. A guy built a home and private zoo on a stream. Which over the years became an upscale neighborhood. Anyway he died. Then his wife died. Then the city closed it down in about 1970. And there it sat until a few months ago when the city bought it to restore and use as a park. Really cool 😎
@@ToyManTelevision W I just can not wait to see what that new park looks like. I will be waiting to see what you will be showing us.
Your videos really inspired us to prioritize a visit to Ely and I contacted them and they are RV-friendly! So we can bring our little travel trailer out and spend a few days riding the rails. Thank you for these videos, Dale. Always happy to come along for the virtual ride...and the real adventures as well!
Hi and I’m sure they have facilities all around there for camping. The number one business in Ely is people hunting and fishing and mostly taking their ATVs Out on the trails
How neat to see that fired up if I had the room I would definitely try to model that rail line in N scale 👍👍
Charles McClure it would be a good one to model for sure! Shortlines make the best model railroads I think
Nice dilophosaurus shirts
It’s a really cool museum in St. George Utah. The dinosaur tracks at Johnson farm
Nice Alco RS-3 locomotive in addition to the steam locomotive
Honorary steam locomotive is a Alco!
They have several of them too. Bought I think 3 more a few years ago. All RS but not all 3s.
I saw that too. I love the RS body styles.
Great video y’all! God bless!🇺🇸
Back there Sunday morning
I can’t wait to to see all the wheels fix up and turning
It’s fired again today. Tender on. Side rods on. No pistons. Whistle spoke fir the first time in 63 years.
#81 is back but #40 is going down glad to see Nevada Northern maintain these engines.
Aaron Peavler/Geomodelrailroader Railroad Photography a great operation out there. Still one little mine switcher to restore. Someday....
Hats off 🎩 great video everyone
That is great news. Thank you for being there.
S lam Great luck on our part that we were there
Great video. Thanks for staying on the path.
Very good video. Thanks. Regards Stephen.
AWESOME NICE VIDEO THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR VIDEO AND YOUR TIME BEAUTIFUL LOCOMOTIVES MODT INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE THANK YOU AGAIN JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA BE SAFE AND CAREFUL MASK UP WHEN YOU GO OUT PLEASE. 😷😷😷🚂👍👍👍👍
So great that you could be there to help document the event!
R&R Electric so lucky!!!!!
Amazing....that hadn't been fired up in my lifetime! (Born late 1958). Great stuff!
Tom Klock by 1959 they were mostly all gone. Except for narrow gauge and that passed in 1968. Steam locomotives are now just novelties. Yet about 2,000 survive in the US. And more are getting rebuilt all the time!
Great vid, thanks Toy Man!
Excellent video. It's nice to see another locomotive working again (I wanted to write new locomotive, but she isn't new, but like new).
I got to see locomotive #81 about 5 years ago, absolutely beautiful locomotive
Well, you hang around enough engine houses (during your screwing around) for long enough you're bound to see some great stuff! Fortunately for us, you also film it! Very neat - very typical of all your videos. Cheers
davie maclean hi. Indeed. Just lucky 🍀. Wow that was cool.
So weird seeing this on UA-cam instead of being right next to these trains every day 😅
We need to come ride your highrailer
@@ToyManTelevision I definitely recommend the Hi-rail it’s a one of a kind experience and my step mom actually does the tours of it
Dale: After the age of the steam locomotive the businesses that built the locomotives worked and found another related business to get into. There was a large need for steam drivers to power pumps and drills used in drilling for oil. So the companies moved from the Northeast to Tulsa Oklahoma. Over the years their business morphed even more. Alco became and still is a major supplier for heat exchangers for the chemical and oil industries. Of course lets all say what Alco actually stands for, "American Locomotive Company." Boiling water has always been a major part of "making things" in the US.
By the way do you know what the Maximum Allowable Working Pressure is for the steam boiler? If they were hydrotesting to 180 psig then the MAWP would be 120 psig. I worked with pressure vessels for well over 30 of my 47 years in the chemical and oil business.
Keep on screwing around. See you and Karyn in the attic on Tuesday. Best wishes.
Ken Shores hi Ken. Here is a good one! Fisher Beer (cat piss) was brewed in Salt Lake City for years. The Fisher mansion still stands. Oddly right where the brewery was. Huge industrial complex but at the west edge on the Jorden River Fisher built his huge home. I digress. Anyway Coors bought out fisher and for perhaps 10 years Coors was also brewed in the Fisher brewery. And the Manson stood empty. Well they needed more steam. No idea why. But a guy I know had a bunch of steam locomotives. Several were on the Heber Creeper. Well a 0-6-0 was stored in the Salt Lake and Garfield RR right next to the brewery so they moved it to a siding in the complex and used it for a static boiler for a time. Weird. Anyway they took that boiler to 225 for a while. I started filming as the we’re backing off to 185. Not sure what the plans are for operation.
Toy Man Television Have you watched South Park? They poke fun at people who drink PBR. Same category as the beer you mentioned. Didn’t realize the Moron Church would allow a brewery in the state.
I have been in the boiler trade for 50 years in repair and operation my experience is in water tube and fire tube boilers and I have never heard of doing a hydrostatic test under steam pressure after overhaul or maintenance. Normally the boiler is filled with hot water and a hydro pump is used to bring the boiler to operating pressure and the boiler is then inspected for leaks and if any major repairs to the boiler shell is done then a hydrostatic test is required of 150 % of design pressure. Using steam to hydrostatic test a boiler could be a dangerous thing to do because should something fail instead of a gush of water you now have an explosion with metal parts going everywhere to me its not a safe practice and it is only a matter of time before Murphys law catches up to them and a catastrophic failure happens other than that it was a great video and I throughly enjoyed it
George Rawe I have seen the hydro done that way. In fact saw the hydro for 4014! But while “simple” I think this was safe. On day one they filled the boiler to totally full with water and connected to air pressure at about 160 psi. While there was no real air space in the steam dome it still compressed the water to 160. The next morning they lit the fire. Still no real air space in the steam dome but soon steam did fill that space. But perhaps one square foot? Very small space. The pressure soon hit 225 psi and John drained off a bit of water. You saw how much. Still very very little. I’m betting when the pressure dipped to 180 the steam dome was still about half full. So while there is some danger of a failure of the steam dome there is really no risk of failure of the boiler shell. Not as safe as a hydro pump, there is still some air/steam in the dome. But little.
@@ToyManTelevision: George Rawe's concerns make sense to me. If the pressure in the boiler is being created by steam caused by the heating of the fire then at a pressure of 180 PSIG the temperature of the water needs to be about 380 degrees F. This stores a LOT of thermal energy in the water. If the boiler does spring a leak anywhere (remember, this situation is static and the pressure is essentially the same everywhere in a pressure vessel, not just the steam dome) then water at 380 degrees F will be ejected into the open atmosphere. At 380 degrees F. it will flash to steam immediately! (This is essentially what happens during a boiler blow down.) A rupture in the boiler of any significant size will eject a lot of water and this will lower the pressure in the boiler causing some of the water remaining in the boiler to flash to steam. You really want to be somewhere else if much of this happens as it can happen so quickly that the pressure in the boiler can no longer be considered "static". You can have large dynamic over-pressure spikes that can have really bad consequences. It is kind of similar to the water hammer effect. The expanding steam can throw slugs of water around at high velocity and if a slug of water hits something immovable the impact forces can be very high.
While I have never met John I am 100% sure he knows all of this stuff and would appreciate how dangerous it would be to conduct such a test if he had any doubt as to the integrity of the boiler. I suspect that the test he was actually conducting here was something a bit different. Notice that the water he is draining off is NOT flashing into steam? It isn't giving off any visible water vapour at all. This tells me that the temperature is significantly below its boiling point, which in Ely at 6,375 feet above sea level is about 200 degrees Fahrenheit. So if there is no steam, where is the pressure coming from?
The answer is the thermal expansion of the liquid water as it is heated. Water is a funny substance. As its temperature changes it has its maximum density (minimum volume for a given mass of water) at 39.2 degrees F. Colder than that it expands. (And then expands more as it turns to ice!) Warmer than 39.2 F it also expands. If we make the assumption that the temperature of the water in the boiler was 60 F. (outside air temperature) at the start of the test and increased to 150 F. (well below the boiling point at atmospheric pressure, even in Ely) due to having the fire lit then the volume expansion of the water will be about 1.73%. If we make a scientific wild ass guess that a full boiler is about 4000 gallons of water (based on a diameter of 7 feet and a flue length of 14 feet and that the volume displaced by the flue pipes is about equal to the volume surrounding the firebox) then this expansion will cause the water volume to increase by about 69 gallons. If the boiler is sealed this expansion will cause a pressure increase. The less air space in the boiler the greater the pressure increase this expansion will cause.
In the NNRY #81 test they went a little over the pressure they wanted so they drained off a bit of the water to allow the air bubble at the top of the steam dome to expand a bit and lower the pressure. Doing the hydro-static test this way is a bit of a trick to test the boiler at a pressure higher than the pressure of shop compressed air that is available but without needing a hydro pump to pressurise the boiler. Done this way the water is never near the boiling temperature at atmospheric pressure and the test is safe as there will be no water flashing to steam even if the boiler splits completely into two parts. You might drown though... The bottom line is that fire in the firebox and pressure in the boiler do not necessarily mean steam in the boiler.
Toy Man: If you know John, next time you see/contact him would you please show him this comment to see if I have correctly analysed what he is doing. I would be most interested to see if I got it correct. After all, I am an electronics engineer, not a steam engineer!
Very cool
Heading back in a couple of days. They’re firing it up again
Okay I'm going to address the elephant, how is your eye doing? I really love watching these old girls resuscitated nobody gets to be reborn :-) rebuilt and parts replaced Maybe but we only get one birthday another great screwing around Adventure, what would we do without your documentation you two stay safe again thanks!
Larry Archer I can see!!!! Wow 🤩. A few odd things still but mostly great. In one eye. Three more to go!! My right and both of Karyn’s.
Well I guess I'm lucky I just have my right eye that drives me nuts other than old age aches I guess it's not bad my dad actually had 20 20 when they fixed his said he forgot what good site was glad it turned out well for you too bad they can't do them all at once :-)
This was fascinating! Thank you both so much for sharing!!!
Beast 1624 thanks for watching! Fun time being there.
Dale,
Every time I'm next to one of these human marvels I'm in Awe!!!!!
Of how this thing was built,how it runs and how were these ! locomotives and boxcars painted back in the 1800s if spray guns were not invented yet ???? Also What is Steam locomotive (Worth)!! If you had the money to purchase one sitting in a rail yard rusting away.
Ronnie Davis hi. The locomotives at the Nevada State Museum in Carson City were all painted by hand, using big brushes and lead based paint just as the original ones were! They look amazing. But gold leaf lettering, Russia iron boiler jackets, brush paint all used. Wow! Depends on the locomotive. I’ve seen several people spend about 3 million to build one! But to buy one.. none for sale but it just depends. 10,000 to 10,000,000 I guess.
Wow nice I love 81
Thanks
Great video!
Fantastic Great show, keep up the fantastic videos. God Bless You!
Great video, Dale! Very nicely done! I've been a fan of the 81 since I learned that there was a THIRD unrestored Nevada Northern steam locomotive hidden away in the engine house many years ago, just waiting its turn in the shop. I am absolutely ecstatic to see this overhaul coming to fruition in 2020! Thank You for sharing! By the way, what music did you use between 14:20 and 16:33?
SierraRailway hi. And they have a forth! Well sort of. A little 0-4-0 mine switcher from a nearby mine. Cute. They started a rebuild but it’s side tracked while the big locomotives getvall the work. But it’s “stinken cute”! I buy all of my music from my library called smart sound. Not really sure what any of it is called. I find it by genre on my computer, re-edit it into something that will work with the show, and often remix it to also make it fit better. Much of the music is recorded instrument by instrument so I can really dial in some big changes.
Isn’t it fascinating to think that these machines were once the lifeblood of our nation? Carrying cargo and people between the biggest cities to the smallest, out-of-the-way villages.
Traveler 1980 I’ll bet I er 100,000 of them. 2,000 survive and perhaps 250 operate. And more all the time. And a few, perhaps 10, new builds of old locomotives. One happening right now.
@@ToyManTelevision you going to do an episode about the Lyon Replica going on in Carson City?
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He just did.
AT 5:10 what you are showing is the steam chest where the piston valve lives. It directs live steam from the superheater to either side of the piston and the exhaust steam from the opposite side of the piston to the blast pipe and funnel.
The crosshead is the big heavy part that moves on the slide bars marked f upper and f lower.
Another great video. Thanks for keeping the passion alive.
I have a copy of "Live Steam" magazine that has a article about John rebuilding his Cagney from 20 some years ago.
Johnny James oh I gotta look for that! He was rebuilding it again when we were there looking at Klondike Kate two years ago.
Thank you for another great show. How about a tour of Johns shop?
Did that!!
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This made my day. Thank you 2 again
jeff robinson great luck!! Back out there soon. We want to follow the rebuild as best as we can from 300 miles away.
nice thanks
Thanks for sharing. Great story on the restoration. Out of curiosity, how much water does #81 hold?
James hum... no clue! So similar to 93 I’ll bet close to the same. But gee.. no idea.
If you look at my comment above regarding the hydro-static test method John was using I calculated the full volume of the boiler to be about 4000 US gallons. Under normal operating conditions there will be less water in the boiler to allow room for steam, but the water level MUST always be high enough to cover the "crown sheet" which is the top of the firebox regardless of the slope the locomotive is on or severe damage/explosion will occur. The tender capacity is 7500 gallons of water.
Cool, will they be selling boiler coffee?
Stephen Rick Starbucks new #81 rusty water cappuccino.
I'll see if ours has it.
I would bet that you have built more engines then theme 😁
Na. I’ll bet he’s rebuilt about oh... 1000 1500? It depends on what you count too. He fixes peoples 7.5 inch gauge locomotives all the time. Cagney locos all the time. In all sizes. Most were built for amusement parks. But there were like 10 of them in his shop!! One was huge. I’ll bet 24” gauge. So geeeezzz. Lots of cool locomotives. And like 5 guys working there. Oh.. and that’s the small shop. The big shop is where they rebuild full sized freight cars!! We are going to tour that shop.
Hello from Detroit Michigan 👋👋let's see the show
Hey, I think that old guy with beard in the overalls was on American Restorations. He brought down a brake line pressure testing rig that needed to be rebuilt. Mark Bassett is the guys name.
Yep that’s Mark and he’s been on that show a couple of times! And a whole bunch of other shows most recently that ghost hunters show.
Great video brother Can't wait to see all 3 of them running .On the Front boilerplate There was a drawing of an engine 1st steam up I used to work in various plants and I always seen oldtimer tags I would assume they were railroad mechanics and such The one I remember the most his name was smoking Joe. the train he drew It was a Diesel 1960s Through the 1980s I was thinking you could have an interactive Where your subscribers could send in pictures of tags not graffiti or ghetto Artwork And you could do a video on Them again great video brother I will see you on Tuesday But we did not say which Tuesday🤣🤣👍👋👋👋
DETROITREDNECK DETROITREDNECK hi. UA-cam just doesn’t do that I guess. Community tab has stuff. I post photos there but don’t think subscribers can. But if you have your own channel you can post photos there!
@@ToyManTelevision I'm not around too much railroad equipment anymore I am driving truck for a nationwide Carrier I will have to look through some of my old photos to see what I can come up with Hope your vision is doing well I will see your next video on Tuesday lol🤣🤣
You guys should come out to the Colorado Railroad Museum for trick-or-treat train
Love to. But this damn bug. We are making day trips. We can kind of stick to our car and stay safe that way. But it’s a real concern
😮woah
Also a little more context on that guy fixing that cagney please
Hi. Take a look at this
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Its interesting to see those old shunting Push sockets on the front and rear bumpers of those old steam locomotives and rail cars. it reminds me of a documentary on how they used to use those and why it was ultimately outlawed by federal regulations. Scary.
Tickled Funny Bone yes polling pockets. I’d like to try that! But on the 1/20 scale railroad so I don’t get killed!!
@@ToyManTelevision is this a do not try this at home warning? lol i searched the internet a bit for the name of the pockets and couldn't find it. Polling pockets they are called. interesting.
The late Mr. Richard Reynolds was responsible for the Nevada Northern coming back to life as well as the resumption of public rides on the Sierra Railway in the 1970's. Mr Reynolds had been Passenger Service Director of Western Pacific in the California Zephyr days. Rest in peace my friend.
Johnny James hi. Yes I met him. Several times. Great guy. They had no money back then. Really hard to get things done. The money to build the wye at Keystone was a breakthrough. And bit by bit they have gotten this up and going strong.
I also wonder when the #3 is getting her turn in the shops.
Michael Arnold is that the little mine switcher? They tore into it a few years ago and I figured it would get done before 81. Little locomotives are much simpler to rebuild. Anyway no progress for years. In the RIP building. Now #40 will be on the front burner but they will get back to it sometime
Toy Man Television yes sir, that’s the one love lil locomotives. I know she will get done eventually they are one the best run railroad museums in this country! Can’t wait for you both’s next post. Thank You for what you do!
Nice to know that they will never diy
This one is a gem. Well not a 40, but still super!!!
Wow! How lucky you are! Is 81 coal fired?👍✌️😊🙏🏼🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
Yes, #81 is coal fired. It was delivered from the Baldwin works as a hand fired locomotive in 1917. Due to the fact that it was used on long runs a mechanical stoker was installed in 1939 to keep the fireman from getting too tired. The stoker required a different size of coal (smaller pieces) than any other NNRY locomotive and this is why you see 2 sections in the NNRY coaling tower. The wood section of the tower was for stoker coal for #81. As part of the restoration the locomotive is being returned to hand firing because it will be used only on short runs, restoring the stoker would be difficult, and obtaining the proper size of coal would be very difficult.
The hydro was near. Water is sort of incompressible, and that's probably a reasonable assumption at steam locomotive boiler pressure, but at high pressure, it becomes slightly compressible.
Alexander Wood yes at 250 psi is mostly the same volume.
@@ToyManTelevision Yes, that's a relatively low pressure. It was also interesting to see them steam it up, I thought it was all done cold. Great video!
Maybe you can answer this question Mr. Toyman. I've worked around a few boilers (the kinds without wheels) for heating and cooling a few times in my job history and the upmost care was expected when it came to water and chemicals and salt and testing daily and all that jazz. How did locomotives stay on the road for such an extended period of time with hard water? To hear that #81 has pretty good tubes after all these years is great news but how is that even possible? I would have thought the corrosion and deposits would have destroyed useabe tubes by now. What gives?
David Dryden you’ve just hit on one of the most interesting debates going on in steam locomotive circles. They run the big boy on soft water. The car immediately behind the two auxiliary water cars contains a giant water softener. They’re the only people I know of that are doing that sort of thing, however in the age of steam a lot of the railroads were treating their water, not just to remove the minerals but also to adjust the pH. As I say only union pacific is doing that now as far as I know. And I don’t think Nevada Northern was doing that at all. Now the tubes themselves in 81 were not in good shape. But the boiler vessel itself is like new. And this is probably because the locomotive never saw all that much use. Both 93 and 81 we’re still fairly modern engines when they were pulled out of service in the late 1930s, and sidetracked just in case they needed them, and because they were in such excellent condition never scrapped out. So it’s mostly just fortunate that these engines were mostly new when they were retired. And 40 had just been completely rebuilt perhaps a year before it was ordered to be scrapped out. So the manager of the railroad opted to simply keep it in reserve in case they needed a passenger locomotive as it was like new.
For what it is worth, I raise the ph of boiler water of my 2 1/2" scale ng mogul. No problems yet after 12 years operation. I only run a few times a year and make sure the boiler is stored DRY.
I think I can answer your question David. The boiler fire tubes and superheater tubes in locomotive 81 are not "original". I first went to the Nevada Northern for the first 2 weeks of September in 2017 for their "railroad reality week" and as a volunteer spent a good deal of time inside the firebox of #81 working on the job of replacing the boiler tubes with new ones. The two ends of the boiler are thick steel sheets (tube sheets) with a pattern of holes in them. The tubes, which are just a bit longer than the outside to outside distance between the tube sheets slide into these holes. The tubes are then swaged (expanded) from the inside to make a tight fit in the holes and then the ends of the tubes are peened over (a very noisy job!) with an air hammer with a shaped bit to lock them in place sort of like a hollow rivet head. The perimeter of each tube is then welded to the tube sheet to guarantee a complete seal. To the best of my knowledge the NNRY uses water from the Ely municipal water system and does not do any additional treatment to adjust PH or remove minerals. They do regular boiler blow downs during operation to get some of the scale out and periodically completely drain the boilers, remove all the washout plugs, and then flush them out with fresh water. On one of my trips to Ely I did this job on #40 (which takes the better part of a day if you are figuring out how to do it for the first time) and was quite surprised at how much junk came out.
I've been back to the NNRY as a volunteer 3 more times since my first trip and have worked on a wide variety of stuff. Last time I was there was first 2 weeks of March in 2020 and I spent some time inside the barrel of the boiler of #93 removing the throttle linkage as part of the restoration effort. (Not a job you want to do if you are claustrophobic!) It was very interesting to see how the boiler was constructed, particularly around the area of the firebox. I have been quite amazed at how open and available everything is at the NNRY. Visitors can wander around just about anywhere and if you volunteer, once they figure out that you can work safely, they will aim you at a job and tell you to go to it! As an electrical / electronics / computer engineer it has been lots of fun to dig into some big mechanical stuff for a change!
Please add to the notes the name and company of the guy you praise for helping with the rebuild.
John Rematch. Wasatch rail contractors of Cheyenne Wyoming
What is tender 21’s history??
Are you doing another video tomorrow
Soon there will be three steamers when 40 returns in 2022!
Sort of is today! All three locos fired up. Except 81 has no Pistons. But fired. Tender in place. And 40 and 93 double heading.
And when #40 is done they'll have small periods of time where they have 3 steam locomotives.
Dallen9 well 3 ready, but perhaps 3 or four times a year all 3 running and the crane.
3:21 Sounds like you're a little hungry. Might wanna eat before you record the audio. ;-)
S RR burp.
Now if they can find more than a few miles to run them on, like UP that runs them across the country.
Well they certainly won’t run them terribly far simply because of water problems. The water tank at Cherry Creek is now mostly a pile of lumber. That would have to be rebuilt in order for them to go north up the mainline. No I think for the most part they’re planning to operate between McGill and Ely. And Ely and Keystone Junction. What I’d really like to see is them operating in the main line To McGill and the train station that’s being restored there. Right now they’re operating on the old Highline that went up to the mill. But the main line to the train station is fully operational if they put the road crossings back in. And I’ll bet they do at some point. In the meantime I’ll bet they run diesels north well up the valley possibly for50 or 60 miles.
@@ToyManTelevision I've tried looking at Google Earth and it looks like all the tracks just peter out a few miles out of town. Maybe I'm missing one?
I can hear parakeets in the background
Yup. Sunny and Sky. Sunny is very vocal but more loving. But she also bites. Birds...
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