As they say you can’t argue with stupid. To add on to that there’s only limited facts since it takes time to discover while dumb people could make up random bs
This tricks don't work against parents, even if your 100% right they won't admit it, and as soon as they start loosing the argument they just say "why you talking back to me?"
The retort would be "this is simply a simple stimuli of the minds. Indeed a good parent would encourage strength in their child's cognitive abilities and be cognizant of any deterrents -- unless you intend on having a weak child that can be easily taken advantage of because he never learned how to stand up for himself" *cue teary eyed, act abashed, and slightly doting towards her next words. It may not work on the father, as fathers are Logos driven. Appeal to his weakness to stir the conversation. I've created a weakness with my father using a well-seasoned steak. Pay attention as they're only human.
@@sterlingodeaghaidh5086 it depends on the dynamic you have with your parents. My mom is a gentle soul unlike my stepmother who will yell at the postman for annoying her. Ask too many questions and you'll get hurt regardless of who you are, unless you are my father. Stepdad is a lot more docile.
@@Don-C.L. ik im just saying that my dad you could never try to level with him because he was raised in the south back when beating a child was accepted.
IMPORTANT NOTE: These tactics will ONLY ever work against someone who is actually interested in engaging in honest discourse, a dishonest person will try to slip right away or change the subject
My abusive spouse used to do this to me all the time. It was really triggering watching this video, but it gave me some serious insight into what was going on and how he knowingly played me and everyone around him. He was on the debate team in high school, so there you are. Thank you for this content, it helps me to make sense of what happened and will allow me to instantly identify it should I run across it in the future. Very empowering.
Ikr, why do most parents/seniors have such big ego that they cant accept they just lost an argument. They always resort to gaslighting you using their age and experiences as basis.
Never lose an argument with this one even simpler trick. If you're having a conversation with someone while a sudden turns it into a fight, just politely disengage without showing any emotion. Not only will you have saved yourself a lot of time and energy, but you'll get to have a nice chuckle as they get even more upset at your neutrality.
That only works against someone you are not emotionally invested in. The more you are personally involved in a person (Example: Parents) the more it would likely worsen the situation.
Nah, I'm a winner, here is what I'd do: If the other person started the random argument, I'd attack them on their ability to stay calm. Such as, "you really started an argument over something as small as xyz?" This is a pretty hard thing to counter.l and it makes me look better than arguing it out. If I started it, I would back up my reason to start an argument with personal experience that could trigger a response in me (real or fake works if you want to be an ass). How is someone going to counter me getting cheated on numerous times? They won't 😃
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Mike has never lost an argument ever in his life by the looks of this 💀
I'm surprised that Mike didn't say,"If they don't say,"Fine, you win," you can just say,"I'm out of here!" And leave, and have the other person just start talking to himself, that would have been funny! 🤣
As a wise man said it is impossible to win an argument against a stupid person they’ll never admit they are wrong they’ll never even consider your point
When can a strawman be useful? I've never witnessed this in all my time debating online or seeing others debate. It's usually that moment when someone adds a name to their strawman and reveals they're real that things get wild. The disproval of a strawman can be really effective. But I'd never credit the strawman itself for that, so I don't think this should count if it's the example you were thinking of.
Bruh luckily ik this bc everybody is trying to twist my words just to get an advantage over me, thats why they lose the argument all the time, and always lose when trying to gather evidence on me when there is somebody else who does the bad stuff i am accused of all the time. The world is messed up 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@TheEvanMack im referencing high schools and such in that they do not teach life skills basic things like taxes, basic handy man skills, finance management things people, regardless of life choice will use
The best way to argue is not by arguing for or against an argument but by asking about the reasoning behind the argument. This will either prove the argument wrong or explain why it isn't wrong, instead of just having two arguments "fight" each other. Socrates did this and it worked really well, and it is applicable to pretty much any discussion
These strategies work only when the other side is reasonable and actually interested in a fair discussion. Otherwise the answer to your question can look like: - "It's obvious" - "I'm more experienced/older/smarter, so I know better" - "So you are saying I am stupid?!" - You can also be ridiculed or attacked personally - Your words can be further twisted in a way which will make you lose track of what you are discussing in the first place.
@@jaro-es1wx You can continue to ask for the reasoning behind literally anything they say. "Why do you think I would be calling you stupid?" "what makes it obvious?" "Why do you choose to insult me?" The only way the person can end the discussion is if they stop talking.
@@Yazume Yes, but some people simply won't admit defeat, no matter what you do. Even the questions you posted right now are very easy to dismiss: "Why do you think I would be calling you stupid?" - "Because you are doing exactly that" "what makes it obvious?" - "Everybody besides you knows it" "Why do you choose to insult me?" - "Because you are dumb" You can continue with your civilised discussion, but sometimes there is no point.
@@jaro-es1wx The thing about socratic discussion is that it isn't about winning or losing, it is about getting closer to some kind of truth. If a person fails to explain anything it will become obvious that that person is in the wrong, even if they don't admit it. You can't win a debate with the Socratic method because it only helps with finding out the truth about a certain topic or opinion. And if you want the person to pretty much have no choice but to admit that, you can keep asking questions, until they are forced to explain to themselves why what they are saying doesn't make sense. "Why am I calling you stupid if I am just asking you questions?" "If everyone besides me knows it, why don't you explain it to me?" "Yes, I am dumb, that's why I am asking you these questions, I want to understand."
When you realize someone doesn't care about being right, just winning the argument, call them a troll and say "nah I've already won" to whatever they say in response.
I know a guy who when he's losing an argument he twists his own words and makes it seem like you were trying to make the same point but we're misunderstanding one another
This is what i think. Nobody can be right 50% of the time. Of course, I think I'm always right. But they also think they are right. Am I 100% sure that I'm on the winning side this time? ... Unlikely.
Note: this will not work against your parents they will make faces and indirectly insult you and show you that they just care for you and are right even if they are not and this doesn't just go to parents
Yeah, no. You could win the argument, but many people will refuse to acknowledge that they're wrong and you've won. It's much more important to know when it's time to walk away from the argument, even if it means letting them have the last word.
Daymn the last bit about "asking them to explain" tactic is beyond amazing! Thanks a ton! Even as a long time debate fan I've never heard or thought about it.
Its MOSTLY used by those who don't understand anything, they'll most likely repeat their comments rather than to answer your questions or accept the truth Its best to leave it as it is
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“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
-Mark Twain
letterkenny reference?
edit: oh twain actually said that
common twain w
So everyone with experience is an idiot?
@@dracofaadbro wish to started an argument 💀
@@dracofaadwith experience in being idiots, idiot.
It’s difficult to win an argument against a smart person, but impossible to do so against an unintelligent person.
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As they say you can’t argue with stupid. To add on to that there’s only limited facts since it takes time to discover while dumb people could make up random bs
They will drag you down to their level and beat you at your own game
Ignorant would be a better word for those kinds of people I'd say.
NEVER argue with a lawyer
isn't that part of the job
@@xofi. If you aren't also a lawyer you aren't winning in an argument with a lawyer, that's what they meant.
@@elicradic5487 so we are in a losing battle
Haha so funny 🪑🪑🪑🪑
And a stupid person
This tricks don't work against parents, even if your 100% right they won't admit it, and as soon as they start loosing the argument they just say "why you talking back to me?"
The retort would be "this is simply a simple stimuli of the minds. Indeed a good parent would encourage strength in their child's cognitive abilities and be cognizant of any deterrents -- unless you intend on having a weak child that can be easily taken advantage of because he never learned how to stand up for himself" *cue teary eyed, act abashed, and slightly doting towards her next words. It may not work on the father, as fathers are Logos driven. Appeal to his weakness to stir the conversation. I've created a weakness with my father using a well-seasoned steak. Pay attention as they're only human.
@@Don-C.L. dude wtf you are DEFINITELY an alien
@@Don-C.L. i would have been in so much trouble for saying that its unreal.
@@sterlingodeaghaidh5086 it depends on the dynamic you have with your parents. My mom is a gentle soul unlike my stepmother who will yell at the postman for annoying her. Ask too many questions and you'll get hurt regardless of who you are, unless you are my father. Stepdad is a lot more docile.
@@Don-C.L. ik im just saying that my dad you could never try to level with him because he was raised in the south back when beating a child was accepted.
Also, be willing to admit when you're wrong. You can't win EVERY argument and being humble about it will only lead to you learning more.
But I'm a winner, I never lose (sadly)
But what if I speak facts all the time?
Nah I'd win
PagMan
@@nahumhernandezg2188its still good to have an open mind and try to see things from other people's perspectives, even if you think you are right
IMPORTANT NOTE: These tactics will ONLY ever work against someone who is actually interested in engaging in honest discourse, a dishonest person will try to slip right away or change the subject
or use the old "nuh uh"
Yeah, Apologists sucks, don't fall for their trick.
Or in some cases they’ll keep you locked in that argument where you want out but they won’t let you.
Would this be neccesary against an interested person?
Red herring fallacy exists
My entire arguments crumbling before my eyes when my opponent counter it with "🤓"
They just know that they're not smarter than you, just let them cope
I said "she won't fuck you bro", that means I win
@IKiIllToddlers Imagine an argument between two people who do this. It's just the need emoji over and over again
And that’s how you know you’ve pretty much bagged a win; that’s a plain sign of someone on copium support
Me when my opponent hits me with the "Bro really thought he was law by mike 💀"
My abusive spouse used to do this to me all the time. It was really triggering watching this video, but it gave me some serious insight into what was going on and how he knowingly played me and everyone around him. He was on the debate team in high school, so there you are. Thank you for this content, it helps me to make sense of what happened and will allow me to instantly identify it should I run across it in the future. Very empowering.
Now I'm sleeping on the couch. Thanks Mike.
At least you got the couch -- I got the hospital bed... DV FTW.
@@Don-C.L.what happened?
Hahaha great comment
“Fine you win” the phrase that nobody has ever said on the internet since the dawn of humanity.
Used to do this to my mom.
All of a sudden I was disrespectful and she didn't want to talk to me anymore.
Honestly a bigger win than the arguments.
Ikr, why do most parents/seniors have such big ego that they cant accept they just lost an argument. They always resort to gaslighting you using their age and experiences as basis.
But you have to understand that if you live under your parents’ roof, it’s their rules
@@paolotorres8537 it's kind of amazing how you fell into the same tactics the video warns against.
@@deadakus but you have to respect your parents. I understand your parent’s rules suck, but you’ll appreciate them one day
Mike: *Gives an incredibly complex and powerful argument.*
Other guy: *”Nah.”*
Sounds about right
Nuh uh 🗣
truly, though, this happens in reality... soooo much
Never lose an argument with this one even simpler trick. If you're having a conversation with someone while a sudden turns it into a fight, just politely disengage without showing any emotion. Not only will you have saved yourself a lot of time and energy, but you'll get to have a nice chuckle as they get even more upset at your neutrality.
That only works against someone you are not emotionally invested in. The more you are personally involved in a person (Example: Parents) the more it would likely worsen the situation.
@@Tomo_mo "he who cares the least wins"
yeah but what if you cannot leave
Nah, I'm a winner, here is what I'd do:
If the other person started the random argument, I'd attack them on their ability to stay calm. Such as, "you really started an argument over something as small as xyz?" This is a pretty hard thing to counter.l and it makes me look better than arguing it out.
If I started it, I would back up my reason to start an argument with personal experience that could trigger a response in me (real or fake works if you want to be an ass). How is someone going to counter me getting cheated on numerous times? They won't 😃
Mike has never lost an argument ever in his life by the looks of this 💀
Bro I will call the Police!!!!!!! JUST STOP
Mike never lost because he only argues with different versions of himself 💀
ok
@VojIsGood hi again I saw you u said I told you to stop
chicken pt2?
I swear my friend who never admits they are wrong always twists my words its so annoying
Same
Some people use this tactic: being wrong in so many ways that it's hard to choose which one to combat.
They never say "fine, you win", they just start ignoring you or shouting nonsense
Ah yes, the new meta of arguments.
I'm surprised that Mike didn't say,"If they don't say,"Fine, you win," you can just say,"I'm out of here!" And leave, and have the other person just start talking to himself, that would have been funny! 🤣
"Fine you win". Something you'll never ever hear in an argument.
*"Not my son.. No, Thank you"* 😂
Lmaooo
Bro has never lost an argument
It doesn't even work, because dumb people won't listen
Most *useful* video of my life Mike.
So his other videos aren’t useful😉
@@YouSillySnake I see what u did there
@@YouSillySnakeCome on, you know that's not what he was saying, he didn't even mention his other videos 😉
@@xyroforge 🤣😉
Thankful for this, I need it in my work place,
Thank you very much Mike. Please carry on these things (debating)
Never lose an argument again with this one easy trick: say "said the liar" after anyone finishes a sentence.
he just taught us how to deal with cancel culture fans or just twitter users in general 🗣🔥
Never try to defend or correct your lawyer, THEY are the ones trained for this.
This is EXACLTY WHAT I NEEDED THANK YOU SO MUCH
So cool tysm LawByMike!
Always remember your goal. Most arguments you have already lost if you're influencing them to your side. If good will is your objective.
Make sure that there are art classes in Germany
With exceptionally high drop out rates
LMAO Jesus christ
Loooooooooll
Austria**
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The most effective counter:
Repeat what they say in a nerdy voice
"in order to defeat an idiot, you have to become a bigger idiot" - some guy I heard this from.
mike, people probably don't tell you this often enough. You rock man! i love your videos dude
Thanks Mike, this makes so much sense
As a wise man said it is impossible to win an argument against a stupid person they’ll never admit they are wrong they’ll never even consider your point
Don't let parents see this... 💀
I agree with you Mike! Schools should have more creative art classes!
"Never lose an argument with this one single trick!"
My lawyer advises me not to finish this joke.
Been in enough internet arguments to know that no one ever admits defeat online, no matter how wrong they are.
Strawmen can be useful in certain cases but not all . This is the same premise as setting a precedent
Strawman arguments are used in manipulative situations by people with dishonest intent
When can a strawman be useful? I've never witnessed this in all my time debating online or seeing others debate. It's usually that moment when someone adds a name to their strawman and reveals they're real that things get wild. The disproval of a strawman can be really effective. But I'd never credit the strawman itself for that, so I don't think this should count if it's the example you were thinking of.
Instructions unclear, I'm now in the hospital with fifteen broken bones and a bashed skull
Bro made a guide to use twitter
Nah the real guide to using Twitter is
Step 1: don't
Not really... but that's where this issue is way too common.
The hardest part is arguing with a lawyer. Thats why im becoming lawyer as my career next time.
Better Way: Never think or admit you lost😂
"Don't argue with ignorant people, I never managed to win against one."
-Ghazali
Bruh luckily ik this bc everybody is trying to twist my words just to get an advantage over me, thats why they lose the argument all the time, and always lose when trying to gather evidence on me when there is somebody else who does the bad stuff i am accused of all the time. The world is messed up 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Its hard to win an argument against an intellegnt person, harder to win against a dumb person, but impossible to win against an ignorant
Best come back, “Yeah, from your experience.”
When tf did they introduce actual learning to schools!?
...since they've existed
@@TheEvanMack teaching people mostly shit they will never use. They don't teach people economics unless in college or anything used irl
@@deathmauler181as a business student I will proudly say, what are you tapping about?
@@TheEvanMack im referencing high schools and such in that they do not teach life skills basic things like taxes, basic handy man skills, finance management things people, regardless of life choice will use
Pretty much word for word out of a rhetorical persuasion book. Well said 😌
Here before viral
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Say “Pathetic, you have to fight a made up boogeyman to have a chance of winning this argument” this immediately removes all credibilit
mike is just explaining women by this point
I've seen many of both men and women do this... it isn't a gender thing.
Did you really need to be sexist over a YT short about how to defeat strawman arguments?
- quote from person who has never conversed with an educated woman
@@terrafang1477 🥺
@@p_filippouz 🤔
MORE DEBATE TIPS PLZ MIKE
"fine you win"
-no one in the history of the world ever
People online do this all the time but never admit defeat and just keep shifting the goalpost.
This helped me and the arguments which i got in have been a lot more easier to solve
"not my son"
Very subtle, thank you.
You’ll always lose if they start mocking you. When you stop trying, that’s when they say they won
This would only work in a perfect world. A lot of the time people are too stubborn to admit defeat.
The best way to argue is not by arguing for or against an argument but by asking about the reasoning behind the argument. This will either prove the argument wrong or explain why it isn't wrong, instead of just having two arguments "fight" each other. Socrates did this and it worked really well, and it is applicable to pretty much any discussion
These strategies work only when the other side is reasonable and actually interested in a fair discussion. Otherwise the answer to your question can look like:
- "It's obvious"
- "I'm more experienced/older/smarter, so I know better"
- "So you are saying I am stupid?!"
- You can also be ridiculed or attacked personally
- Your words can be further twisted in a way which will make you lose track of what you are discussing in the first place.
@@jaro-es1wx You can continue to ask for the reasoning behind literally anything they say.
"Why do you think I would be calling you stupid?"
"what makes it obvious?"
"Why do you choose to insult me?"
The only way the person can end the discussion is if they stop talking.
@@Yazume Yes, but some people simply won't admit defeat, no matter what you do. Even the questions you posted right now are very easy to dismiss:
"Why do you think I would be calling you stupid?" - "Because you are doing exactly that"
"what makes it obvious?" - "Everybody besides you knows it"
"Why do you choose to insult me?" - "Because you are dumb"
You can continue with your civilised discussion, but sometimes there is no point.
@@jaro-es1wx The thing about socratic discussion is that it isn't about winning or losing, it is about getting closer to some kind of truth. If a person fails to explain anything it will become obvious that that person is in the wrong, even if they don't admit it. You can't win a debate with the Socratic method because it only helps with finding out the truth about a certain topic or opinion. And if you want the person to pretty much have no choice but to admit that, you can keep asking questions, until they are forced to explain to themselves why what they are saying doesn't make sense.
"Why am I calling you stupid if I am just asking you questions?"
"If everyone besides me knows it, why don't you explain it to me?"
"Yes, I am dumb, that's why I am asking you these questions, I want to understand."
@@Yazume My brother was legit on the verge of killing me from responding exactly like this. Professional NPCs are something else, man.
Would love some more speech and debate tips like these, thanks!
Thank you for the tip Law By Mike, I’ll use it in good terms and conditions
Tysm, my brother, does this all the time now. i can win the argument
Pro tip: Never start an argument with an unreasonable person, that's a lost cause from the very beginning
"Because I said so!"
No, the best way is to disengage or just stare at them in awkward silence.
This guy is a gift from God (especially if you argue with your parents a lot)
When you realize someone doesn't care about being right, just winning the argument, call them a troll and say "nah I've already won" to whatever they say in response.
It doesn't matter if the facts are on your side, if they aren't willing to hear them.
Speech level 9999
this will help me so much against my dad
Moms can be the biggest fallacy users lol 😂
48 laws of power: "Never argue, take action"
Arguing with someone in bad faith is an exercise in futility.
man never heard of the people that just fake laughs the entire time, and just yells and mimicks whatever you say
you can still lose if you don't have the facts, but this tip is useful.
I know a guy who when he's losing an argument he twists his own words and makes it seem like you were trying to make the same point but we're misunderstanding one another
That’s a big boy watch you’re wearing! Good for you brother! Cheers!
If you're arguing on the internet no one will ever say "fine you win" doesn't matter how hard they're losing also simple grammar mistake=win
Bro that's awesome, people need logic.
I respect this guy already
This is what i think. Nobody can be right 50% of the time. Of course, I think I'm always right. But they also think they are right. Am I 100% sure that I'm on the winning side this time? ... Unlikely.
Me learning more from Mike than I learned in all of school
"politicians does the same thing"- famous last words
Note: this will not work against your parents they will make faces and indirectly insult you and show you that they just care for you and are right even if they are not and this doesn't just go to parents
Classic parents/seniors gaslighting. Why are they like this man. Its so infuriating when someone you are close with do this.
Yeah, no. You could win the argument, but many people will refuse to acknowledge that they're wrong and you've won. It's much more important to know when it's time to walk away from the argument, even if it means letting them have the last word.
explosives are great at making people not argue with you
Also, don't go into an argument with the mindset that you should "win" it.
Had a debate the other day about affirmative action the other day. They used a strawman, I pointed it out, and their exact response was "nah".
"Nah I'd win"
-Mike
Outstanding 🔥🔥🔥
my argument winrate went from 40% to 75%
REMEMBER: It's very hard to win an argument against a smart person.
But it's impossible to win an argument against an idiot.
We need more of this!!
Keep in mind if you try to make them explain their argument 70% of the time they’ll just accuse you of straw manning THEM
MORE LOGICAL REASONING!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Daymn the last bit about "asking them to explain" tactic is beyond amazing! Thanks a ton! Even as a long time debate fan I've never heard or thought about it.
bro when has an argument ever ended with "fine you win"?
Its MOSTLY used by those who don't understand anything, they'll most likely repeat their comments rather than to answer your questions or accept the truth
Its best to leave it as it is
That would be interesting, seeing 2 people arguing based on their data and they understand the opinion
@@geraldogh7235 true