Second Breakdown This Week! I Think I Have Had Enough Of My Porsche 928! Part 18
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- New problem but same week. Fresh from my axle coming loose in the last video now a new problem which has left me stranded 750 miles from home.
Here’s the question: do I move past peak frustration in the middle of the problem and keep going with the car or is it time for it to be passed to someone else who can continue the revival? I am thinking the latter, honestly, but I need your thoughts and advice! What do you think?
If 928 ownership interests you and you’ve watched me plow tens of thousands of dollars into it then I am accepting offers. Email me at videocarclub@gmail.com
Ugh!
#porsche928 #enough
Ignition switch. Easy fix and not too expensive. Well worth it. Don’t sell!
He will because he's not mechanically minded and expects this 40+ year car to run like new 😂
I had this issue with my 1965 and it ended up being the switch and I replaced a relay with a super heavy duty relay. No biggie 😅
Neither one of your breakdowns this week was catastrophic or even near catastrophic. Take a breath and think about learning to do a little wrenching yourself.
@@michaelschmitt9366 agreed.
Tis what it's is, looks like it just needs the barrel replacing. Things always happen in threes 😅
The anger I currently feel mainly stems from the first setback of the actident. Mainly because you never gave yourself the time to step back and think this over. The accident was really bad luck. Now, the 2 'smaller' problems shortly afterwards are in fact not that bad, but in combination with the accident this is psychologically much more difficult. As stated in the commens by others, small problems are normal, you will have to solve these gremlins and they are not insurmountable. When I look at the previous content of your videos it’s very clear that you love the 928. Do not give up. Try to cosmetically restore the car and forget what happened. You can do this ❤
Spot on. 100%.
@@JAYREADStick with it man !
Easy fix common on old 928s
Sort the ignition switch out mate, its just one of those things that happen to old cars, frustrating as it is.
I recommend replacing the part and keeping the car. Replacing mine with the correct German part supplied by Roger was the key to making my S3 reliable enough to daily.
Short of buying a brand new Porsche, every old Porsche will be like this car Jay, there will be always something to fix.
Hugely true!
Jay, pull the wiring harness off the back of the ignitiin switch. You can then temporarily use a screwdriver to insert on the back of the wiring harness to start the car and get you home. . Mine did the same thing on my 79 928 so what I did was install a push button from terminal 30 {battery terminal) - red wire to terminal 50 (start terminal) and mounted it underneath the panel. Then you just turn the key to the in position and push the button to start the vehicle.
Step back, close your eyes and take some deep breathes. Then, think about all the great times with the car. This problem is just the switch. I’m betting it’s original and worn out. I’d replace it and continue to drive and live the car. Older cars always need fixing.
There are two key relevant points with old cars. First, you need to love the car as a family member. It just belongs to YOU. Second, if you calculate the value versus repair costs, you should never buy an old car. NEVER. There is seldom a real return on investment. But there is a lot of love you have to invest and you might getting back. If not, try harder. I have also a 928 and we have also this special relationship.
AMEN!
I tend to think this is par for the course, on an older car. If it’s been reliable otherwise then I’d chalk it up to a couple of unlucky things and expect better days ahead. Don’t give up on Burt!!!
This is a test to measure your level of affection for this car. You will make the decision.
I would not make a rash decision. It is only the switch! I loved my 928S4 and working on it was a labor of love (a lot of labor). You will regret selling it over a simple fix.
These kind of things happen with an old car. You just have to keep working your way through them. Every time you fix it with a new part it shouldn’t happen again. Eventually you reach the stage where most of the problems are sorted and you have a reliable car. Having spent so much it doesn't make sense to sell unless you really feel you’ve had enough. Hang on in there.
Jasy. It's the ignition switch which plugs into the rear of the physical ignition unit. Common enough problem and typically for this mileage and age. Also a common enough problem on other makes/brands. Stay strong. They are an excellent car when sorted. Cheers
shes a keeper Jay
Thank you, my friend! Solidarity!
A new car, new problems, no matter new or used. Like someone who posted earlier, it depends on love for this car. Everyone goes through it. Good luck!!
I think that the ignition switch is a fairly easy fix.
Don’t give up Jay!!
Take a day off, skip sleep, get ramsquaddled, then make a decision. It always works for me!
Sage wisdom!
I know in my head that once the romance is over, it’s over and my mindset changes so I will dislike/lose confidence in the car going forward for everything else that goes wrong. Then I start looking at other vehicles and it’s done. But that’s me 😊.
Ignition switch - 5min job for an auto electrician with the parts - get it fixed, get out and drive her = Simple! Good Luck!
The “key” thing, haha, is not to expect too much of an old car. Just enjoy those moments when it works and see it as a challenge when it lets you down. Chin up
Old cars need patience. That’s the hard part sometimes. Don’t let the coincidence of the fender bender and these hiccups mess with your head too much… unless you really are done with it.
Don’t give up Jay. It just another minor issue with a simple fix. All the best characters have flaws, it adds personality.
It’s what I call “old car stuff,” if you’re not willing to put up with it don’t drive old cars.
Don't give up - it's an old car, maybe you just need a new lock
don't give up i may be on my second engine rebuild on my 924
Ignition switch? Had to replace mine on a 2002 Boxster S. Over 12 years of ownership nearly every issue has been electrical. Stranded once due to a failed alternator but good news was it happened within 5 miles of my mechanic’s shop!
Hello Jay, time to move on, as Mark Twain (?) once said, "there is nothing to be learned from the second kick from a mule". I've been there and at some point, the inconvenience surpasses the fun and enjoyment, especially if you have someone else with you during a breakdown while on a road trip. Chalk it up as an experience and move t to the the next experience. You've done a great job fixing the 928, unless you have substantial additional funds, maybe give serious thought to selling. Listen to others that have tried the 928 restoration route. BTW Love your content. Pls keep it up.
That's an easy one you can do yourself. There are good videos on UA-cam. Be sure and replace the switch behind the key while you're at it. The first thing i did with my 928 was to remove the lock because i only had one key and my locksmith told me he couldn't get the Porsche code for 1982 to make one without the cylinder. Not hard, but maybe a test of will.
Never ever spray WD40 or any oil into key locks is what I’ve been told along time ago.
This will only cause more dirt & dust to clog up inside the key barrel.
Graphite powder is what one uses for stubborn key locks.
But you need to have a specialist check & properly identify the problem first.
Irritating it might be but how much harder to replace the start button on a modern car. The lovely thing is on the 928 Porsche poured in a lot of thought and often the best available parts, even a switch is repairable. Maybe that’s just me. If you want ultra reliability, buy a bland eurobox and throw it away at the first sign of trouble.
I've hit the same low point a few times with various classic cars.
Most recently, while walking into the garage and seeing the floor covered in coolant after having spent much time, effort, and money on the car.
Sometimes, it's best to step away for a little while, then fix it and take it out for a good run, then you will find you connect with the car again.
I know a person who purchased a 2022 Ford Mustang convertible brand new. Has a leaky roof and Ford fixed; replaced the roof under warranty. Still leaks. They must of adjusted the door alignment and now the doors don't look right. Considering, that you have a 40+ year old car with an ignition barrel that failed after 40 years, spent a lot of money to beautify, fix and now an exhaust, i'll keep it. Give it another year and see if she fails further. Then re-evaluate.
❤️ (Secret: I’ll be damned if I let her go. Stay tuned! 😬)
I gave up on a car once. It was a 1985 Porsche 928S! I was tired of the struggle finding replacement parts and the cost as well. It took 3 rebuilt starters before I finally had one that worked and the electrical gremlins drove me to the brink of insanity. Miss the car, not the headaches. Have a 98 Boxster now and really enjoy it.
Any mechanical or electrical instrument will eventually break down. Even new cars have faults. Don't give up Jay, I'm sure it's an easy fix. It's a lovely classic car, a V8 that has featured in classic films such as Risky Business and Scarface. Look at the plus side, ....it's content for the channel 😎
Keep going, mate. It just needs a little more love 🇬🇧
Well known issue - it's the electric switch that mechanically failed behind the key switch.
Old cars like this are point A to point A transportation!
Cars like these are a point A to point B.
Point B being a very nearby coffee shop. How I use mine.
Come on Jay. Only one of these things was old car related issue. The ignition switch. You can't blame an accident on the car and the axle was 100% the fault of whomever worked on the transmission. I would have been raising hell about my axle falling out. Those two things have nothing to do with the car or its age. Man, I have a 75 Corvette and it truly is a challenge to keep going sometimes when it goes through it's phases of things breaking so I get your feelings but this doesn't seem like the trigger to be contemplating dumping the car.....yet. 🙂
What is too much, all depends on what is the purpose of car. I have owned every Porsche model (some models, multiple times) except the Taycan, they were never my primary mode of transportation but my toy. My 1999 911 C4 was probably the most fun, it had character. If you are looking for reliable transportation, a 30 year old 928 is not a good choice. If you are looking for adventure, you picked a winner. The movable steering column in 928 is probably the culprit in your problem, they are failure prone. But then in a car of that age, everything is failure prone. I think you bought the car for the adventure, enjoy the journey!
Drive it, break it, fix it, drive it. Keeper!
The 928 used a new cut of ignition key, presumably to reduce car theft, and the tumblers dont seem quite as durable as say a 911 but they did last 40 years so ain’t all that bad. Best practice is to be slow and deliberate when inserting, rotating and removing the ignition key. Don’t remove while the key is still being rotated and dont hang a bunch of keys and other nonsense on the same keychain.
Part of classic car ownership but I do get your frustration having two incidents happening so close together. I'd say to park it for a bit then come back to it after several days when the upset has lifted, you might see things in a new light. Besides, the ignition switch isn't a difficult repair and is to be expected to have issues after 40-some-odd years. Something tells me if you did sell it, it would later be regrettable.
NO!
Breakdowns happen with old cars ... and this car is special.
My '78 manual ( _same colour as yours, but I might strip it back to the orig light blue_ ) has its issues ... just last week it didn't start ... *AGAIN* ... after I stalled it coming back from a short drive.
I thought ... great, the starter has packed in (or at best, solenoid) because it is on its 2nd/3rd refurb alternator already ... but I charged the battery, and it was OK.
So ... I think that as long as you have a daily driver (maybe get a 2nd hand electric runabout) then there is zero reason to drop this. Because ... we have old cars ... and we know that they will have issues. ❤ ... It's when NEW cars do this ... that's when you should switch up! ;)
Been there done that... I found it's always something. Hence why I'm afraid to take my '83 on the shortest of trips.
Hang in there...stay with it.
Fully commiserate, and understand your feelings and position.
I gave a lot of thought to buying an older 911, but decided to go with a new Cayman S.
Having met you at Amelia Island this Spring, and seeing you like to road trip, I would punt and get a much newer car.
Maybe keep the 928 as an occasional toy? Get a low mileage 718 Cayman GTS.
Whatever you decide, best of luck.
928 ownership is not for the weak. I repeat, 928 ownership is not for the weak. You HAVE to love them. If you don’t, you’re better off moving on. Seems like a simple ignition fix. If you don’t love them and work on them yourself, sell it. Other option is, you’re loaded and don’t care about money
I guess all classics will have issues unless newly and fully restored. Even then there may be inherit unreliability issues. But, if you work through the known issues then you'll have something reliable. Trouble is takes time, money & commitment. But up to you mate. Goid luck with whatever you decide.
WD-40 isn't a lubricant, it's a solvent! WD-40 collects dirt and will make it only worse over time. Use graphite or white lithium grease for locks.
After 27 years of owning my 928 and 10’s of thousands of dollars I can say it’s all been worth it as there is no other car like it! I will forgo the cost of a coffin and simply have them dig a bigger hole and bury me in the car with my stiff hands on the wheel!’
Find the starter relay. Put the key in the acc position and jump the points in the relay base. It should start.
Best luck for you, keep up!👍🇸🇪🙏👏
Tricky and only you can decide if you like the car enough to sort this one and see how it goes or move it along. I’d like to see more of the car but am sure you’d do something interesting next anyway. I recently bought my 996 because I’d spent several grand on my 2009 Mercedes E350 coupe and I wondered if it was really worth it on a car that was rapidly depreciating to that sort of price level. I figure the 996 won’t go up massively in price now but I think what I spend to maintain and improve it will be worth the investment. I reckon a 928 is special enough to justify the expense and heartache 😂. Good luck with your decision!
Major bummer it had to happen far from home.
Should not use oil in locks/ignition.....you should use graphite powder 😮
WD40 no good. Use shave graphite to lubricate the tumbler. It comes in a tube. Most automotive parts shops have them. Break down is all part of having a vintage car
These things happen in 3’s. You had the side swipe, the axle bolts and now the ignition barrel. You are good to go now 👍🏼 once you fix the ignition.
This is why you have premium roadside assist with AA or whoever.
Fix the ignition and keep it. After all the money and sweat poured into the car already, you’ll regret it forever if you sell.
I'd repair the key as cheap fix, and then wait to see if car is a write off. If so then if you love 928's so much get another and use this car as a donner. If it's not a write off then repair and keep. Underneath the silly little issues the car is good, the bare bones of it is a good car. But we have all had car's that we fall out of love with and loose interest in. So take a long hard look at the car and way up where you want it to be in the end and are you willing to spend the rest of the money on it or do you buy one that's better than yours but needs the good bits off of your car? Your call but I enjoy your channel and the journey, but also feel your pain. Good luck
Come on Jay. This is a small problem. I know it’s frustrating, especially the body damage, but these things can be corrected. It’s an old car, consider how many times that ignition has been turned.
You’ve got the car of your dreams. Make it bulltprof!
Jiggle the handle 🤣, kidding, I feel your pain. Move on the car as soon as it’s not fun anymore. Even if you’re under water, who cares it’s just money. Life is too short to deal with this nonsense. Take a break from the old cars and get yourself a more modern enthusiast one then go back to the old ones. Thats what I do and it works out well.
Hang in there! Is an awesome car 💪❤️
Yeah, that's tough, i had a 1979 928 back in the mid 90's and it kept breaking on me so i eventually sold it.
Do what works for you mate…I have a 928 gts, 89 911 speedster & a 95 w124…which I do Boeing thing (fix stuff at intervals pre fail)…flip out the tumbler & give it a month…if it’s a dog & too far gone, move it on & get into something which makes you feel good (read will get you home as well)…
I hope you get it sorted out ASAP and have a blast on The Tail of the Dragon.
Switches fail, Shops use blue vs red Locktite and people don’t pay attention and drift into other people’s cars. These are random and common to older cars, not enough to throw in the towel . (Now, if it was a vintage Audi S4, I’d say run away!)
If you want a new experience, that is another story, but you have just made expensive tweaks. Enjoy them for the summer and fall, then give thought to making a change….996 Turbo perhaps?
Option 3: Keep it, get another Porsche anyway.
I'm getting my 928 S4 back on its feet at least with the things like the heads resurfacing, rotator assembly, transmission, fuel system and brakes, and going from there on my own even if it means electrical and a/c which can be, well, a lot of time. It is a significant, significant investment. There are many much easier things to connect me to my family but, I've made my choice. Check out Todd Gibbs and his series to see just how much time he's put in. It's all dependent on where your comfort zone is. Once you know the car inside and out, you can at least troubleshoot more easily and do your own repairs.
Be the bigger man, replace the ignition barrel and get back to your happy place
Hello Jay,
Very frustrating for you and I know with mine,it went from a reliable car to becoming unreliable
Having had four (so called Experts) here in Vancouver,with there misdiagnosis,of The stopping problem,and one even forced the wrong ignition key in the barrel,from another 928and denied,stuffed up the drivers door lock?
And they call themselves Porsche specialist?
I really sympathize with what your going through
My car was last registered in 2015 and I’ve lost motivation and trust sadly
And my car has done 110 miles from new?
As I have a business,customers ask me “you still haven’t got The Porsche running”
I have been unwell to pursue it,and like you Jay,reluctantly I will let it go,complete with the 6.0 kit
A Chevrolet Corvette is on the horizon for me✅
Cheers Jay
Frank
That’s a shame, Frank, but I wholeheartedly understand. Your car has 110 miles from new?!??!??!?
10% of the cost of the car would make me think about making a change.
The current issue you have should be easily fixed.
I had a 1991 Eagle Talon II. Every day something was wrong!! I hated that car.
I have been relatively lucky with cars, but for the most part they have not been exotic and the one exotic i have had was a stinker! The best experiences I have had have been with BMWs which I have bought when well depreciated but well looked after and documented and I have then kept them for a long time. I am interested in your experiences because I would like a Boxster or a Cayman before I get too old and decrepit. The 928 has always seemed a rather special car bt is of an age where if used as a daily driver bits are going to wear out. The real question is do you love it? Is it special enough? As yet the classic car market doesn'y really view them as special enough but that ought to change.
Well if you’ve been married and raised kids successfully, you can fix this 928.
It’s a mechanical love affair that’s worth having.
This happened to me with my 986 Boxster S.. after spending over 100 man hours working and rebuilding the car, and spending $$$ on it, I took it for a nice drive .. then the freaking car broke down again with a fuel pump issue.. at that time, I had had enough.. sold that POS.. and it was one of the best days of my life.. lol
That's just a small issue. I had that same problem with my old Audi back in the day. I would understand if your engine or transmission went bad. Normal stuff with ANY old car.
I'm going to go against the grain and say yes. You got the enjoyment you wanted. You made (most of?) the videos you wanted (?). New and exciting is never a bad thing. Get a new one and keep the old one for S&G's. Metaphorical "movement" est la vida - life. Don't let it drag you down too much.
Everything hits at once - ask me how I know. In the span of two months on my 987 to pressure plate went, then the AOS, then the alternator, then the top. Ignition switch is going, too. All around 85K miles. I fixed it all and kept it - got videos out of it, but it was crazy how it all happened at once.
Well, ya see, your problem is that key is on the wrong side. I’ll waive the diagnostic fee.🤭
Turn the key to on and jump the starter no?
the bond with your shark is getting stronger ..-) fix it - keep it and stop whining ...I feel your pain though !!
As that Irish saying: when you are in hole, stop digging.
I’m with you, Jay. My car didn’t respond to anything I did to it today, it’s being a real bitch.
How much more will it cost ??
Not sure, I do have a lot of spare parts laying around.
My advice is to fix this and then there’s the line.
Keep it until the bloody thing kicks you in your throat again, then sell it.
I think mine will have to stab me in the back face down in the dirt.
But if I can help you let me know if I can get you an ignition switch, with 2 keys.
You should’ve sold it to me when you had the chance my friend. 🤔😊
Get this fixed then it’s the last chance. It’s such a nice car. Deserves one more chance.
In my opinion, unless you're a wealthy guy it doesn't make any sense to keep a car like that unless you can handle the repairs and maintenance yourself. Otherwise, every little thing that goes wrong is going to seem like an exercise in Chinese water torture.
I have it all the time with my 944😅and than i fix it,look at it and fall in love again over and over😂😂😂
Keep it, just part of the journey
Its a classic car, nearly 40 odd years old. Once you've replaced the ignition barrel it'll last another 40 years.
You can buy a brand new car and break down!
Nothing hard to fix that but with these cars if you not wanting or able to work on them yourself I think probably move it on because there will always be things going wrong they are 40 year old cars
It wasn't until 2.06 I realized you were talking about the 928 and not the misses. 😂 I hope you get it fixed, soon! Did you try wiggling the steering wheel/lock at the same time as turning ignition?? And what are you doing in China?
Fix it Jay, keep going !
Hmm playing devil’s advocate but sell the 928 and get an aircooled 911 - would advise 993 since they should have ironed out most of the issues since the classic. I had my fair share of breakdowns with italian and British cars, your time should be spent driving and enjoying these cars, not spending time keeping them on the road. Only you can tell if it’s worth it or not but you have to do some soul searching. If this car has some special memories for you or you have been waiting for it and you can’t park it without looking back at it when walking away, maybe keep it or buy one in better condition. Otherwise, move on.
Had a Lancia Integrale from 93. It was a nightmare.
Hey, remember that exhaust sound?
Very good point, well made!!!!!! ❤️
Got rid of the wrong car! Get the 996 back!
Keep it! It’s an old car. How many times has that key been turned ?
If you love the car, you repair it, if you like the car, you let it go!
Some cars r just never ending maintenance….dump it….
This guy is too cheap to let an ignition switch make him buy another car
I think the key problem was there, just overlooked by everyone who has worked on your car. Should be an easy fix
Would you be considering selling it if it were a five
speed?
I own an 85’ five speed, and even if the engine went, I wouldn’t sell it. I’m wondering if deep down you want to start looking for one.