I think you should do a video on the crash of Pacific Western Airlines in British Columbia,Canada… it’s a very interesting case of weather conditions and lack of communication that could have been avoided . Swiss cheese 🧀 model example 😊
It's odd that the agency would go from a direct measurement of braking action to a 'best guess' from pilots (who have an incentive to optimistically report it). I suspect the real reason is that the measurement system reported 'poor' braking action in situations where the pilot or airline would have typically risked attempting a landing. This forced the pilot to divert thereby costing the airline money. So the airline lobbied against the direct measurement system. Direct measurements are almost always better for this kind of thing. I know they are developing a 'better' measurement system, but in the mean time it would almost certainly be better to use some form of direct measurements. Same thing with the thrust reverse detent system. It wasn't perfect so they got rid of it leaving pilots with an even worse alternative method. Why? The detent system might not get a perfect 1.3 EGR but it would almost certainly not let the EGR get to 2.0 like the pilots did. So basically they made the situation worse for the pilots. Bizarre how these supposedly highly skilled committees make decisions that are clearly poorly thought out.
@@ethanswimmer1287Sorry to hear that you think so but you’ll be happy to hear that the community is doing fine and growing quicker than ever. So have a merry Christmas and go check out those other channels, there are always Cliff-notes you can read instead of books and that suits some people.
I was on this flight. when we evacuated the aircraft, the pilots were the last ones out and they were nothing but apologetic. The flight attendants came up to each and every single person to ask how they were doing and each of the pilots explained to us what happened. As weird as this may sound it kind of made me a lifetime Delta Airlines flyer because I feel that they are an airline that cherishes and takes pride in the intelligence and the compassion and the professionalism of their employees
I'm happy you were able to recognize that one crash doesn't necessarily mean the entire airline is unsafe/untrustworthy. It could. But it doesn't always even have to do with the airline itself. But what a terrible situation to have to go through, either way. Glad you are still here with us to share the story :D
Professionalism in a crisis is a hallmark of excellent training and experience. We act how we train, which is why the same event can have drastically different outcomes if you change the person to another equally qualified person who learned a different style. It does speak well of them that they took care of you to the best of their ability. I still think about the fact that the late David Koch (yes, that David Koch, brother of Charles, hometown people to the Air Capital) was in the crash where a flight landed on top of an aircraft on landing due to an ATC mistake, and was in the episode of Mayday about it. Always interesting to get the perspective of the people who were sitting behind the flight deck, whether or not they own the company that makes the paper towels in any given washroom, anongst other world domination goals. 😂
Sometimes even if a pilot does everything right theres times that they cant prevent everything. The bad weather, slippery run way, and reverse thrust preventing them from being able to use the rudder made it impossible to stop ot from going left off the run way. I mean it seemed like the crew actually did everything in the moment but it wasnt enough to keep it from going off. I mean it reminds me of hydroplaning on a freeway and you try to turn the wheel in the opposite direction but it keeps going towards the side you dont want it to
georgemartin1436 absolutely, since this flight was coming from a warmer location, believe it was Florida that the flight departed from. Unfortunately the flight crew were not given an update on existing weather as they were approaching New York. They were going with metrologicical findings that were few hours old, not current. Its a blessing that they were able to land craft in such weather. No casualties other than the craft. In hindsight, they could have gone into flushing bay, saying that the cockpit was extending out toward the bay. Its seems that the barrier of rocks held the craft back rather than a dunking into the bay.
The animation looked like, and the explanation sounded like, it was less "walking" than scramling over boulders or talus... Then again, that does not make it any better, really. 😞
Unfortunately, you perhaps do not want anyone, even the fire service, knocking on your window. The crew/cabin/passengers come out this experience w/no injuries. Overall everything worked out fine, even though the aircraft was written off. The worse case is that they may have have not stopped when they did. They perhaps may have had a dunking into the bay. Since the cockpit was past the rocks looking into the cold waters of flushing bay. Thank goodness that all went well.
The one thing I admire about the aviation industry is that every incident and accident results in assessing and disseminating the subsequent "lessons learned" so such an accident will not happen again. I worked the last four decades of my career in aviation, and we kept a "lessons learned" database that we consulted every time we began design of a new product, to make sure we don't repeat a prior mistake. Such lessons learned are in fact practiced throughout the aviation industry, and in my opinion that constant attention to safety is what makes aviation just about the safest form or transportation.
It's a lot like my industry as well. I operate heavy machinery in a surface mine and they say every time we get a new SOP (standard operating procedures), it's because someone lost their life. Hate that that's how it is, but some lessons are learned the hard way.
That’s all very well until a door blank is installed incorrectly and subsequently blows out at 16,000 feet! Such a major oversight should never have been allowed to happen
The pilots were such a pro, the FO was always aware and focused . and that "Big Mistake" was actually reasonable considering his concern about the landing distance.
The two planes that landed before them, didn't have control issues due to rear mounted engines. So, the problems these pilots faced were unique to their aircraft. It's unfortunate. That's why mentor said that pilot assessment is often subjective. It not only depends on pilots subjective assessment, but also on the plane they are flying.
@@mahadevparmekar2565 The two planes that landed before were another MD-88 and a CRJ-701 according to Mentour's video so they were both rear-mounted engines (if I understand your reply correctly) same as this plane. From what I'm reading, the final report into the accident does say that the flight data recorder shows that braking action was actually reasonable, although obviously the captain had no way of knowing that when he saw a white runway and initially touched down.
Yeah, mistakes can be made when under runway pressure... and in the worst conditions. I feel like they should have played the safety first card when they saw the runway covered in snow, and simply aborted and flown to their alternative destination.
@@mahadevparmekar2565it's odd that the agency would go from a direct measurement of braking action to a 'best guess' from pilots (who have an incentive to optimistically report it). I suspect the real reason is that the measurement system reported 'poor' braking action in situations where the pilot or airline would have typically risked attempting a landing. This forced the pilot to divert thereby costing the airline money. So the airline lobbied against the direct measurement system. Direct measurements are almost always better for this kind of thing. I know they are developing a 'better' measurement system, but in the mean time it would almost certainly be better to use some form of direct measurements. Same thing with the thrust reverse detent system. It wasn't perfect so they got rid of it leaving pilots with an even worse alternative method. Why? The detent system might not get a perfect 1.3 EGR but it would almost certainly not let the EGR get to 2.0 like the pilots did. So basically they made the situation worse for the pilots. Bizarre how these supposedly highly skilled committees make decisions that are clearly poorly thought out.
I was in that airport awaiting a connecting flight when this happened. My flight was canceled and I breathed a sigh of relief. I remember the commotion inside the terminal. Another great one Peter.
The FO was very assertive which is exactly what I’m looking for when flying. The stowing of the TR’s is actually what must be done to control directional problems especially in X-wind, contaminated runway etc. conditions. The fact that the CA didn’t do it by himself just shows how much stress he was under. In high stress situations most revert to very basic actions, which in his mind was stopping the Aircraft since he noticed things were getting out of control and closing the TR’s is “counter” to what he is trying to accomplish hence he was hesitant to do it and his FO being so on top actually helped the CA regain SA and finally close them.
I'm not a pilot, but have watched several Mayday videos where the FO or another crew member speaks up to identify a mistake made by the pilot flying and/or speaks up to point out something that the pilot flying doesn't seem to be aware of or is not paying attention to. These ONE WORD observations or notifications happen again and again and again in many accident videos I have watched. For example, "reversers" or "overbank" or "stall." Shouldn't there be a standard in CRM that states that the person identifying the problem has to be SPECIFIC and also inform the pilot flying what the SOLUTION is? I saw one Mayday video where the FO (pilot flying) was told to "pull down" (on the side stick) by the Captain. That plane crashed because the "terminology" used by the captain during a state of panic confused the FO. What the Captain meant to say was "We are in a stall, push the nose down." This was NEVER communicated in the multiple attempts the captain made to get the FO to take the correct action. Yes, poor/wrong choice on the Captain's part for sure but ppl can say and do stupid things under stress. What if instead, CRM trained pilots to identify the PROBLEM (we are in a stall) followed by the SOLUTION or ACTION: Pull down the side stick. Even if "pull down" the side stick was the wrong command, (should be PUSH DOWN) the FO should have known exactly what to do bc the Captain identified the problem. PROBLEM: the plane was in a stall. In an emergency, such clear PROBLEM/SOLUTION-ACTION commands could save the plane. Again, I am not a pilot, but I have watched many air crash episodes and this is a common thread in plane crashes. Someone shouts out, "overbank" or "turning left" but doesn't say, "We are in a left overbank- turn right immediately." Very frustrating! Please pilots, weigh in on this. Thoughts, comments?
A note about tailwinds. Major airports hate changing runways, and will run with a tailwind until the majority of pilots refuse the landing, then reluctantly they will change runways. I'm talking to you LGA and DCA..... This is an increasing threat. DCA is notorious for this. Thanks to this video, I'm going to start the APU on final during challenging approaches.
I really think the tailwind was a decisive factor in this accident, as it erased what was left of the runway safety margin after accounting for extra fuel and runway conditions, leading to the understandable overuse of reverse thrust.
Thank you! LGA and especially DCA, both of which have relatively short runways, are extremely reluctant to change their configuration. NYC airspace does complicate this decision, but LGA can be an absolute mess in the winter. Someone mentioned LAX, and that’s true, but the LAX runways are all long and normally dry. I’d rather have a headwind, but normally LAX is landing west and winds are normally not a huge issue. SLC can be a terrible operation in the winter as they have rapidly changing winds with reversals on final sometimes followed by landing on a very slippery runway. DEN is very unpredictable despite having all the runways.
The insane multitasking, decision-making, and problem-solving skills needed in fractions of seconds in this kind of emergency is positively extra-human. These pilots had to do _so much_ right in mere instants and even with good CRM, experience, skill, relatively decent procedures, a perfectly functional aircraft, and a snow team that was doing their best, they still ended up crashing. It's one of those perfect storm situations that rely on a million factors coming together for any of it to be a problem.
Both Pilots were among the best possible and had thousands upon thousands of hours of experience, but THIS will be the ONE landing they will ALWAYS be remembered for.
Yes - and even at this ONE Landing they performed well all-in-all. The Aircraft was damaged beyond repair, yes, but everybody on board could walk away on his own feets - probably not all Pilots would have been able to handle such an accident with such an outcome.
If I was on that flight or had family on it, I would definitely remember forever that they kept all souls safe in that situation. It wasn't just down to luck, the report makes it clear that it was their effective teamwork that allowed them to recover from a potentially catastrophic situation despite having to deal with design flaws that made the aircraft very dangerous in an emergency. They had seconds to react, and they managed to save everyone. it's truly remarkable. It's not the mistakes that define people, but how you recover from them, and they were absolutely great.
The weather was turning bad during the day, more snow fall than the airport plows could handle apparently. Actually the outcome of this flight turned out better than expected, all passengers were okay, even though the plane was beyond repair. Kuddos to the cockpit crew, /cabin crew.
Yes it seems after rerewiewing this video, apparently the pilots were not given an update pertaining to the weather in New York, or the condition (s) of the runway, even though the runway (s) were cared for earlier, the snow fall was accumulating, which resulted ground crews, unable to manage the runways. Overall thankful that passengers/crew no injuries.
That’s kinda how accidents work, unfortunately. No matter how hard and well you worked in your entire career, the one time you messed up will be what the general public remembers you for.
I work in field maintenance in a non-aviation industry, but I clock in less than 1000 feet from Textron and Learjet. I am always trying to be better at my job. Just got my EPA certification for HVAC on top of 14 years in industrial/commercial electric, electronic, and mechanical. If I don't do my job well, I can seriously injure or kill and cause massive loss of revenue. If you aren't constantly learning, too easy to get complacent. Your safety attitude is excellent. Safe travels!
Gotta say having an actual commercial pilot making these videos is awesome, we get so much more information on the aircraft systems, controls and procedures and coming from a pilot makes these videos unequaled anywhere on UA-cam, amazing job!
@@Capecodhamim sorry, I laughed while reading this. Are you serious? Out of everything that person wrote, your focus is on insulting them for using the word “gotta”? You have to be really bored…
it amazes me how much pilots need to know about the different aircrafts... it also amazes me how something like the reverse thrust stuff can be designed and signed off on when it can make handling of the aircraft impossible... its like they design things, build it, find out it doesn't work properly then just decide to issue a bulletin saying don't use it as it is intended and everyone is okay with it... i am not a pilot... my hats off to everyone that flies planes...
@Studio732JRL when I was a younger man I always wanted a sugar mama. When I was 20, maybe a hot 40 year old that wanted my young body. You know what mean?
I loved when you said that the two pilots were getting along really well and you had them nodding at each other entusiastically in the cockpit at the same time at 4:56 😂
Even though it was an actual accident, it's great to see how the first officer did exactly what the second pilot is there to do, he helped the pilot flying with an issue he came to be aware of. Runways that are this strips of land on the sea are scary, I guess whoever built the fence was extremely satisfied to know that the airplane managed to stop before falling into the water
It can be, there are airports, that were designed around water, such as LaGuardia, Boston Logan. Its a blessing that they were able to stop the aircraft using the thrust reversers, even though the plane did lose control, veer off the centerline of the runway, continued on. They could have continued on not stopping and ending up in the bay.
Yes of course, perhaps it may have been an all together outcome. Thank goodness it wasn't. Well done to the cockpit crew. Like I said in previous comments, the crew was not given an updated metrologicical update. They did there very best, if not better . No injuries sustained, only the aircraft. They were very fortunate not to take a dunking in the bay. Sure that they not have survived, not sure what the temperature may have been. Since in had been snowing, it may have been below freezing. Thank goodness all went well.
I would assume there would be some hydraulic pressure still to work the brakes, even after the engine has cut. Cutting the engines likely saved them from a major fire though, since the evacuation was so botched and fuel was pouring out all over the place, had the engines still been running at all it could create a spark.
Been enjoying your videos for some time now, from back in your sofa era, and some of these have even been incidents I didn't already know about. The Icelandair 757 was really interesting (and I've actually apparently been on that plane, years later). I've been flying the 757 for a bit in the simulator now and it was neat to know exactly how they did what they did before you explained it!
A few things to point out about the airmanship and resilience of the crew was to shut down the engines, use his phone to call dispatcher and think outside the box. Honestly, I cannot trust any of the pilots I fly with to even think on anything like this. Hats off to the FO
I think these pilots did an absolutely amazing job. Their quick and correct responses, especially shutting down the engines after the left wing started leaking fuel, saved everyone.
Good to hear that no one died. The pilots conducted themselves pretty well in a situation where a small mistake made them lose control of the aircraft.
It could be that that extra reverse kept them from running off the end of the runway. Better sideways an on ground, than straight and in the water. … also, that 90 second emergency exit goal seems extremely optimistic to me. … all in all, it was a very successful emergency landing.
Petter, whoever is doing your animation and videography is doing a great job. it seems to me that the overall quality continuously improves as I'm seeing more and more detail over time. Kudos to you and your team for excellent work!
A great video as always, but they are still mislabeling the ATC controllers in the graphics. Narration is correct, but I noted all ATC being labeled as Tower. 26:22, 26:31 and 26:44 at least, which was actually Center and Approach, leaving the hold, approach clearance, and handoff to tower. In fact other if not all ATC comms are labeled as "LaGuardia Tower", even enroute comms, an hour out, which is jarring to read as a pilot. I called attention to these problems before in these videos. Hope they can fix it because it's in every video, making it a little confusing seeing the wrong controller labels and potentially relevant to some stories as to who is communicating. For pilots this is obvious and noticeable, and perpetuates the incorrect public knowledge that ATC is all Tower.
@@alienter7517 It’s awful isn’t it! I’m not against ai art, I have a disabled best friend whose only way of artistically expressing themself is with ai so I’m pro the technology in general but crucially, they don’t just enter a prompt and push out whatever it gives, they take days and even weeks on every piece, painstakingly perfecting it. Thats not what happened in that thumbnail, clearly!!
Thank you for your very thorough review of this incident. I used to fly the MD-88 and spent many occasions flying this same flight, only most often in better conditions. You had mentioned the reverse thrust EPR limitation. You did mention it as more of a timing issue. That may have been a relevant problem but there is another aspect too. Although we were well trained in what amounted to a rather arcane matrix of EPR limits depending on friction conditions, and whether flying an MD-88 or MD-90, the biggest problem was rigging of the JT-8D’s reverse thrust system. Sometimes just getting past the detent and into reverse could get to almost instant max reverse situation. Sometimes mechanics really couldn’t find a rigging parameter that could consistently give good reverse thrust control. The MD-88 used cables to the Pratt & Whitney JT-8D’s whereas the MD-90 had a very precise FADEC system to govern the IAI v2800’s and that was the preferred airplane for LGA and DCA airports. I believe the thing that really bothered us was that this happened even though most of us would have done all the exact same things that this crew did. As a side note, I’m told that the aircraft was considered fixable, until the salvage company lifted it with their crane. Something failed causing it to drop, rendering it pretty un-salvageable at that point. I hope nobody was hurt in that. We didn’t even touch on how much the MD-88’s brakes chattered as the last few knots came off before a stop. I always found the MD-80 series to be predictable, trustworthy, great-flying, airplanes….as ground vehicles, not so much.
Maybe the FADEC system is/was the answer to the question I had about (to phrase it differently) about making the reverse thrust operation predictable,equal between the two engines if desired and even giving,if desired,the ability to use slightly asymmetric thrust as a "rudder assist" in such conditions and incidentally also allow full or nearly full engine power to be usable in reverse thrust in "panic braking" situations
Thank you for bringing this up. I’ve got ~10,000 hours in the DC-9/MD-80 and people who’ve only flown FADEC/EEC equipped aircraft cannot imagine the variability of TR deployment and spoolup in the MD-80. Not only was the physical pull required on the reverse levers WAY different from aircraft to aircraft and engine to engine, the actual deployment time (as mentioned by Mentour) was quite variable too. After they were deployed the amount of lever displacement to get them even was often dramatically different and the spoolup time was different still. I liked the MD-80 for many reasons, but reverser use on contaminated runways was NOT one of the reasons. I was a check airman for quite a while on the plane, and the amount of time spent discussing this issue represented a large portion of my IOE discussion. Thanks for the great reply!
It's actually kind of nice to know what kind of preparation and training go into flights. I know I've wondered what exactly the captain and first officer do up there given there's so much automation. It's also fascinating to see how the differences in aircraft design can make such a huge difference in landings, as I assume the other flights that landed may not have had the same construction and therefore not the same reverse thrust issues.
Looking forward to this since the announcement! Can’t get enough of these amazing intros. I know you usually don’t cover non-airliners accident, but there was a really fascinating accident in Alaska involving a DHC-2 back in August of 2021. Here a quick overview: the plane was flying a sightseeing trip in IMC conditions and the plane hit a side of valley just 200 feet from the summit. The pilot was not allowed to fly in IMC and wasnt flying on the flight plan for the area. There were FAA rules in place but they weren’t mandatory and 6 people died. Really be interesting to see your opinion and perspective.
@@saulnier Yea, something doesn't add up here, among other odd statements. What/Who didn't "allow" pilot to fly in IMC? Any commercial pilot will be IFR certified, and VFR flight plans are optional, therefore nothing nefarious when not flown. FAA "rules" that aren't "mandatory" aren't rules.
Hello mentour, I'm Kenyan, 19 years old and a big fan of yours since I was in high school Your videos are great and have contributed to my passion for being a pilot, I'm really excited for each video you upload As I've already started my flight training late August this year I've found your videos really important and relatable especially in human performance Keep up the great work!!!
I love that you made a video about Delta! It’s my most flown airline and your videos always reassure me a ton and I’ve not seen much on Delta specifically. These pilots made a small mistake for sure, but honestly with everything being so on the edge it sounds like there needs to be more help for pilots. No way to monitor every instrument at once, it just seems impossible. These pilots did a great job keeping everyone safe.
I can’t come to the same conclusion as you. If they had simply diverted, we wouldn’t have even seen this video. They took unnecessary risks, and could have killed everybody!
Having watched a large majority of your videos, I find them highly engaging and informative - it's always important to recognise accidents, mistakes, and genuine pilot error, so we can understand why and how things went wrong. It'd be all too easy to make viewers feel uncomfortable about flying, with how many videos cover fatal crashes, but you also go over the improvements aviation boards have suggested to make flying safer. The video structure is amazing; thank you so much, Mentour, for such high-quality content.
Thank you for making this video. It's an honour to see you aviation videos as it makes me motivated to becoming a pilot. I am 14-years-old and in the future I want to be a 747-400/-800 cargo pilot. When I am not studing or anytime I have a short break, I always watch either Mentour Pilot, Mentour Now, Captain Joe and 74 Gear's Channel. Or sometimes I read one of your NTSB or Wikipedia links.
Can’t wait for you to cover the recent Japanese airlines crash that happened today/yesterday night. I’m assuming the coast guard plane was told to line up and wait on the taxiway for clearance to takeoff, and they, through miscommunication, lined up on the runway and waiting for clearance to take off. Glad everyone from the airliner made it, and unfortunate that the coast guard people did not :/
I watched a news story, the guys said that plane wasn’t supposed to be on the runway. Also the Airbus A350 is supposed to be less flammable and perhaps that and only that was the reason everyone on that plane got out safely.
Apparently the Airbus 350 was relatively new. Its a blessing that the crew/cabin were able to get all the passengers off, with no injuries. If there were injuries, non threating. Its great that the passengers did listen to the cabin crew, in reference to protocol for leaving the aircraft. Did here on the news that the dash 8 was asked to hold, not to cross, while the Airbus 350 was landing. So unfortunate to start of the new year. But its a blessing there were not more ingured or loss of life. According to the news the captain survived with injuries on the dash 8, unfortunately not his remaing crew members.
Yes bros, remember incident in Italy at linate airport involving a scandivian aircraft, embraer. It was very foggy, no radar, airport markings have not been done a while. The embrarer was had crossed over to an active runway. The same runway the sas airline was taking off from. So unfortunately, the fire brigade if they had responded sooner than they did. Occupants of the embrarer were still viable, but when they reached them they had passed. The sas aircraft very fortunate able to maneuver there plane away from the passenger terminal. Unfortunately all perished on that plane.
Thanks for all your interesting both technical and also psychological content regarding flying and operating aircrafts also crew wise in emergency situations. This is helpful even for other professions beyond the world of air traffic. I also like your acknowledgement of all service and ground crew people involved in these incidents. Lastly, thanks for sharing before Christmas an event without casulties. God Jul!
31:12 "And do you remember what happens when that much reverser is being used?" (pause for viewers to respond) "Yes! This meant..." This reminded me of preschool age shows like Blues Clues or Dora and, not gonna lie, it made me happy. That kind of call & response interaction was super effective on me. I wonder how many of these I haven't noticed. Man I love this channel.
@@Capecodham? Mentour pilot does not use acronyms, who are you to try and show off? Honestly though, why are you spamming that all over the comments? There's no need to be so rude.
Mate, you need these videos turned into full scale documentaries on a streaming platform! They are so professional! I love these, this these videos up Petter!
Don't say that! I mean, i don't disagree though. I've been following this channel for some years when he "only" had 100K subscribers, and the quality has gone up in big leaps, but i also like to keep enjoying this content for free! haha :D
Well, you tube is a streaming platform and 40 minutes is a TV hour. So in fact these already are what you are suggesting. Why deal with media companies giving up morte revenue.
I watch UA-cam far more then streaming platforms, therefore UA-cam videos rival streaming platforms for viewers, and proof you don’t need a major broadcaster to produce videos
I have no connection to the aviation industry and only fly very infrequently but I still watch every one of your videos as soon the notification arrives. You have a knack for telling a very interesting story without sensationalism. You even manage to make the back story and technical details fascinating! And thanks, too, for giving us a suspenseful wintery episode for Christmas with no casualties. 👍
As a lifelong New Yorker, LaGuardia has always been an awful airport for so many reasons especially the short runways and takeoffs/landings over the water. They recently remodeled some of the terminals, but they need to see what can be done about the runways.
They need to train their employees a lot better to avoid situations like things. Hoping for the best outcome and walking away is a recipe for accident.
The biggest change I have noticed since this accident is that airlines are much more prone to cancel flights proactively when weather gets this bad. At airports like LGA and DCA, that’s a good thing, as even in good weather, there’s not much room for error there.
They built nice terminals to sit in to wait, but they also needed to fill in the bay and add another runway and also extend the current runways. If this was Asia, the Middle East, or even Europe they would have done this already. But then again, NY can barely maintain the roads for highway robbery tolls. Also, parking at LGA is over $40 a day.
Not to mention the downtown Flushing area keeps permitting taller residential buildings esp in recent years and more buildings are scheduled to be built in the Mets/ Shea Stadium area.
English person here. When I flew into NYC for the first time I deliberately chose a flight to LaGuardia... because of the spectacular view you get of Manhattan. I wasn't disappointed. But I wasn't aware that at the end of those runways is nothing but water. What happens in the event of an unplanned runway "excursion" obviously has to be factored into landing decision-making. Not all runways are created equal.
Attention passengers, please leave your coats onboard because the fuel leaking outside is likely to catch fire and that will warm you up. Thank you for flying Delta! Have a pleasant day in New York.
I love the information density of your videos, the supporting notes, animations, asides to give more information about a topic then back to the main narrative, the pacing is perfect and tbh better than most Netflix documentaries about anything
I read that NTSB cited pilot error. That seemed like a cop out. The pilots acted reasonably on everything including thrust reversing (adjusting accordingly within seconds of landing).
The pilot continued despite audibly registering the snow covered runway, and lost directional control because he exceeded the reverse thrust guideline. Understandable mistake, yes - but still a mistake.
The airplane's engineering was the first mistake, as well as the airline accepting it. The next mistake, in my opinion, was the lack of communication to the pilot of the *actual* condition of the runway. Not cleared and sanded but, instead, snow covered. @joot78
Wow, at some points it seemed the whole world had conspired against this crew and aircraft - nobody giving them sufficiently accurate information on the runway conditions, the left reverser deploying just a bit earlier, the left engine producing more thrust while in reverse, nobody actually noticing the accident for quite some time, the PA not working - it seemed their bad luck would never stop. Thankfully everyone made it out safely. Still confused about what the issue with the two infants was, though. Did they forget someone on the plane during evacuation?
I don't think it was an issue in this particular incident, however had there been massive damage or fatalities it becomes an accountability issue when looking for and finding victims and remains.
That's how it tends to go for air accidents. Multiple things have to wrong all at once, and even then the consequences aren't always fatal (this incident being the perfect example). I've actually started feeling way safer on planes after watching this channel because of that
Glad to see the captain finally listening to the FO and not following his own tunnel vision. Good team under difficult circumstances. I'd love to learn more as to why the evac took so long!
I’m flying in a few hours and watching this was both thrilling and (eventually) soothing. Listening to you narrate the expertise of the first officer and captain in an emergency situation was relaxing while being immensely educational. Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos, Petter. I hope the upcoming season will bring you cheer and peace🎊
Flying is scary because we surrender our control and trust in others to keep us safe. But those people are highly trained experts who want to have a safe trip just as much as you. Most car accidents don't make the news because they're so common. But every aircraft accident is covered because they're so rare.
@@PsRohrbaugh Isn't it funny how people get used to dangers based based on degree of exposure. We see nothing wrong with passing cars going 60mph head to head by just a couple feet. A single moment of inattention likely death, yet so many are afraid to fly.
Great video, Petter! I’m hopeful the weather alerting issues have been resolved at LaGuardia as it sounds like they were behind the times in terms of advising pilots of runway conditions!
I'm always at the edge of my seat watching these accidents unfold, and it's always a great feeling when you get to hear that everyone on board made it!
That has to be one of the more fascinating reconstructions of incident/accident events. Well Done. Non-pilots are often under the impression that we are constantly making life and death decisions each time we report for duty, whereas in fact, almost all decision-making before and during the flight has been foreseen and decisions made according to regulations and company SOPs. This combination of events highlights how rarely, not how frequently, we're faced with circumstances that can arise where the outcome is not wholly in our favour.
What a great way to start my snowy Saturday morning! Watching these videos have made me far less scared to fly, knowing that pilots like these ones and yourself are getting us to and from our destinations. The professionalism and skill of these pilots don't go unnoticed because they had very challenging circumstances to deal with!
Clearly experienced captain and FO, military experience and 1000s of hours flying commercial. What happened to their careers? Does an incident like this end it? Thinking back to Sully, "40 years of flying I've delivered millions of passengers and all i will be judged on is 208 seconds"
But that’s what you are being paid for, the real emergency, or making wise decisions. It was too many things stacked against this landing situation and they made the wrong decision to land. It’s not like they had to land. I think they put it risk the lives of the passengers for no good reason and I would not want to fly with them again, knowing that they have excellent skills, it’s the decision making that bothers me
@@Capecodham: Good point. I hate it when people use acronyms, it is so annoying and it stops you from thinking because you have to interpret the acronym. I don’t use them either, NW (No Way … just joking to show how freaking annoying it is) Pretty soon there will be more acronyms and there are actual words in a sentence or in dialogue. It’ll be like a foreign language. I have to look up the goddamn acronyms all the time just to interpret what the dumb f|_|€K 😅young people are writing
@@KD-gw4sj: I think it’s bad to use acronyms unless they are well established like BS & SOB. There are too many acronyms. I know you didn’t mean any harm but, it’s a lesson to learn and I try to practice zero acronym use myself
The research and investigation you've done into all of these accidents over the years, and the knowledge gained from them must make you possibly one of the best prepared pilots in the world to face an emergency! I know i'd feel 100% safe with you in the cockpit! Really love your videos. I've been binge watching them for weeks!
I’ve been flying to Atlanta to Boston for Christmas for over 25 years and with Boston also being a snow-prone airport right on the ocean, this is the kind of situation I think about a lot. Luckily, never been in an accident like that. 😮
Amazing work as always! Thanks for the report and explanation! When he mentioned that the two infants were not registered officially as passengers, the conclusion I expected to hear was something like: There are 127 passengers on board, the emergency responders only know about 125 from the reports, so when they headcount 125-126 people evacuating the plane (including infants in their headcount) they would assume the plane was clear of passengers, when in actuality one or two people are unknowingly left behind and become casualties of some post-event nature. Thankfully, that wasn't the case, it seems.
I always wondered why the MD-88 engines had those odd pieces sticking out from the back on the sides. Those are there for the reversers. Never knew what those were for until this video. Learn something new everyday.
Great video. I got my PPL many years ago, but this week I finished my rusty pilot training and passed my flight review on Thursday, I’m ready to get back in the sky and your videos have helped me remember all the procedures far better than reading my old textbooks.
@@Capecodham do you really think that using a simple acronym in a comment not directed at you is “pompous” or “showing up others?” Does your response really seem rational? There’s clearly something else going on with you, hence me asking if you’re ok.
I miss seeing your adorable dogs! And I'm addicted to your videos. I was watching one with my mother over the holidays and she was laughing at me because I knew what spoilers and flaps and ILS and TOGA all were (and much more). Thanks for all the great content!
Really well explained. ...this accident shows perfectly how super important the PM duties/calls are (from inside the flight deck) in time critical events like T/O and LDG. At high speed there are often just a few seconds before you go off the RWY, so the PM needs to see an effective reaction from the PF almost instantly. In the Simulator, for an incapacitation training event, I usually briefed the PF beforehand to veer slowly off the RWY after touch down to provoke a situation where the PM needs to take over controls, or do something appropriate and stay on the RWY.
@@Capecodham PM = Pilot Monitoring / PF = Pilot Flying. Both positions irrespective of rank. T/O = take off / LDG = landing ect. Who I am? ...well, for the moment I am a heli pilot (with a little boutique tourist company in my country). The 22yrs prior I flew fixed wings at a major company before I moved to biz jets. Oh, and for a few yrs I also was an Instructor and Examiner. (All MCC = Multi Crew Concept eg. two pilots) Just ask anything, if I can I answer to the best of my knowledge. Quite obviously, we both find accidents / incidents videos from @MentourPilot interesting, right? Cheers, Chris
While on the subject of Delta flights: you’ve covered American 191 but where’s Delta 191? Very valuable lesson to be had there about why pilots are trained not to fly into thunderstorms.
With every video I think it must be quite a job to get all animations fixed using flightsims etc. Can imagine it's a time consuming thing but makes it all really nice to watch.
A year ago, I got into binging those old Air Crash Investigation TV episodes, now we're here. Gotta say, it's amazing to get these in-depth breakdowns from an experienced pilot, combined with those expertly crafted visuals. Great job from you and your team, your videos are always a great watch!
Honestly I prefer these episodes by Mentour Pilot. The Air Crash Investigation episodes annoy me because they go through every other possibility until they finally get to the actual cause. I prefer this direct approach.
Yeah.. I came the same route. You get a different perspective because air crash investigation follows the investigators, whereas Mentour concentrates on the pilots. I was always left wanting for more detail with those shows, and wow, do you get it on this channel!
I felt like there were a couple of "loose ends" to this one. First, was there any impact of the two unreported infants? The way you set that up it seemed like there might have been a couple injured passengers left aboard or something due to the miscount. Second, what became of the aircraft? Was it repairable or a writeoff? You don't often leave us in suspense like this, Petter! :-)
The Aircraft, registration N909DL, was a write-off. There´re Reports in the Net that all 127 (!) Passengers and 5 Crew Members were evacuated without serious injuries and survived, however 23 of them received minor injuries. So the two Babies were at least alive and without serious injuries..
The aircraft sustained additional damage in transport to the NTSB hanger, as seen in the NTSB photos where different colors were used for pre and post-accident damage. Ultimately, the aircraft was written off. @@NicolaW72
Hi, Mentour First - Merry Christmas! Second - wonderful video! I've worked on the MD-80's for 13 years (as a mechanic) and I love it when pilots are well trained in the technical stuff and know their aircraft! I also love it when documentaries don't try to spare the viewer the technical aspects - it is better to encourage them to read further into some thing or another, rather than oversimplify things. In this regard you are one of the few who are super professional, plus, in my opinion, everything was excellently explained even for a non-aeronautically trained viewer (this, of course, largely enhanced by high level of expertise on your part). Keep up the good work! Lovely video, great presentation, greatly structured, awesome explanations! Thank you! Happy Holydays to you and all your loved ones and have an amazing and blessed new year!
Thank you sir! I flew the MD-80 series for a long time and it was very reliable, though some of the systems were quirky. As you know reverser rigging was next to impossible, and you probably thought we wrote them up at an unreasonably high rate, but they could be a HUGE surprise on landing for the unwary pilot. Thank you for maintaining the planes for us to go fly. You do amazing work!
I learn new lessons after every video of yours. Your videos are so engaging but informative at the same time. The visuals and the explanation is just spot on. Keep up the good work and already waiting for the next one.
Thanks for another great upload. Petter explains things in a way that somebody with no aviation experience would understand. The cinematography is higher quality than anything that the big production companies are putting out imho. His is the only channel I have to stop what I am doing as soon as there is a new upload. Keep up the great work.
Man 😮 I got a little emotional as you were describing the actions they were taking trying to stop the aircraft (maybe because as an airline pilot I can imagine being exactly in their situation) Also, it's amazing how still aware/ in the "green" they were during the last moments (coming out of reverse, shutting down the engines, differential braking, etc)
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg Embraer 145, FO 2 years, captain for 5 ½ Dash 8 (I flew the Q-400), Captain for 3-ish years B-737, FO for 7 ½ years, Captain for 1 year
Absolutely riveting video - I felt so sure they were going to end up into the water. So happy everyone was ok! Pilots did a great job saving the situation. Thank you Mentour Pilot team for another amazing year of content!
This is quite a fascinating serious incident in my opinion but i am glad that everyone survived the incident. This video is also reminding me of another runway accident in bad weather and that is American Airlines Flight 1420 back in 1999 at Little Rock. That American overrun accident was an MD-82 and sadly during bad weather and most likely Get-There-Itis, the pilots forgot to arm the spoilers which resulted the death of Captain Richard Buschmann and 10 passengers.
Have watched quite a lot of your videos, but only the first time, in my opinion, felt that the music during the event of the aircraft landing could have been avoided. However, as always, super awesome videos, animation, explanation, and storytelling were top-notch.
I guess both of the toddlers were Checkov's sons, and they went off before the end of the video (off the aircraft, i mean). So nothing out of the ordinary here regarding the storytelling. Except that it's quite unusual to rescue *more* unharmed people from the wreck of an accident aircraft than there were souls on it to begin with. Quite a feat by the airport operations & rescue teams, i must say!
I was waiting for that bit of information! I hadn't heard of this incident, so I was holding my breath waiting for something tragic to happen - and since he kept mentioning the two babies.. well, I got really worried. Then the video ended and everyone was safe, so whew, lol.
Insane coincidence, but I was literally watching another video on this very flight when I got the push notification of this post. Winter ops at KLGA are always a bit nail biting, we call it the S.S. LaGuardia due to the short runways and being surrounded by water
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I think you should do a video on the crash of Pacific Western Airlines in British Columbia,Canada… it’s a very interesting case of weather conditions and lack of communication that could have been avoided . Swiss cheese 🧀 model example 😊
It's odd that the agency would go from a direct measurement of braking action to a 'best guess' from pilots (who have an incentive to optimistically report it). I suspect the real reason is that the measurement system reported 'poor' braking action in situations where the pilot or airline would have typically risked attempting a landing. This forced the pilot to divert thereby costing the airline money. So the airline lobbied against the direct measurement system. Direct measurements are almost always better for this kind of thing. I know they are developing a 'better' measurement system, but in the mean time it would almost certainly be better to use some form of direct measurements.
Same thing with the thrust reverse detent system. It wasn't perfect so they got rid of it leaving pilots with an even worse alternative method. Why? The detent system might not get a perfect 1.3 EGR but it would almost certainly not let the EGR get to 2.0 like the pilots did. So basically they made the situation worse for the pilots. Bizarre how these supposedly highly skilled committees make decisions that are clearly poorly thought out.
This guy is BORING BORING BORING
@@ethanswimmer1287Sorry to hear that you think so but you’ll be happy to hear that the community is doing fine and growing quicker than ever.
So have a merry Christmas and go check out those other channels, there are always Cliff-notes you can read instead of books and that suits some people.
@@mattbonacci4950then go and watch something else my friend.
Merry Christmas
I was on this flight. when we evacuated the aircraft, the pilots were the last ones out and they were nothing but apologetic. The flight attendants came up to each and every single person to ask how they were doing and each of the pilots explained to us what happened. As weird as this may sound it kind of made me a lifetime Delta Airlines flyer because I feel that they are an airline that cherishes and takes pride in the intelligence and the compassion and the professionalism of their employees
Good to hear 👍
Oh bless your heart for go😅ng through this!! ❤❤❤
I'm happy you were able to recognize that one crash doesn't necessarily mean the entire airline is unsafe/untrustworthy. It could. But it doesn't always even have to do with the airline itself.
But what a terrible situation to have to go through, either way. Glad you are still here with us to share the story :D
Professionalism in a crisis is a hallmark of excellent training and experience. We act how we train, which is why the same event can have drastically different outcomes if you change the person to another equally qualified person who learned a different style. It does speak well of them that they took care of you to the best of their ability. I still think about the fact that the late David Koch (yes, that David Koch, brother of Charles, hometown people to the Air Capital) was in the crash where a flight landed on top of an aircraft on landing due to an ATC mistake, and was in the episode of Mayday about it. Always interesting to get the perspective of the people who were sitting behind the flight deck, whether or not they own the company that makes the paper towels in any given washroom, anongst other world domination goals. 😂
Sometimes even if a pilot does everything right theres times that they cant prevent everything. The bad weather, slippery run way, and reverse thrust preventing them from being able to use the rudder made it impossible to stop ot from going left off the run way. I mean it seemed like the crew actually did everything in the moment but it wasnt enough to keep it from going off. I mean it reminds me of hydroplaning on a freeway and you try to turn the wheel in the opposite direction but it keeps going towards the side you dont want it to
NO LOSS OF LIFE; my favorite type of Mentour video.
Not only that, but no major injuries either!
georgemartin1436 absolutely, it may all together been another outcome.
People suck, so it makes no difference to me.
georgemartin1436 absolutely, since this flight was coming from a warmer location, believe it was Florida that the flight departed from. Unfortunately the flight crew were not given an update on existing weather as they were approaching New York. They were going with metrologicical findings that were few hours old, not current. Its a blessing that they were able to land craft in such weather. No casualties other than the craft. In hindsight, they could have gone into flushing bay, saying that the cockpit was extending out toward the bay. Its seems that the barrier of rocks held the craft back rather than a dunking into the bay.
@@robertgantry2118How edgy
It's definitely a bad day when someone can walk up and knock on the cockpit window
The animation looked like, and the explanation sounded like, it was less "walking" than scramling over boulders or talus...
Then again, that does not make it any better, really. 😞
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Thats a matter of fact 😂😂😂😂
You can't park here mate
LOL IM DYING READING THESE COMMENTS
mate this parking space is for disabled planes only XD
Edit: FBI OPEN UP vibes there 😂😂😂
Unfortunately, you perhaps do not want anyone, even the fire service, knocking on your window. The crew/cabin/passengers come out this experience w/no injuries. Overall everything worked out fine, even though the aircraft was written off. The worse case is that they may have have not stopped when they did. They perhaps may have had a dunking into the bay. Since the cockpit was past the rocks looking into the cold waters of flushing bay. Thank goodness that all went well.
The one thing I admire about the aviation industry is that every incident and accident results in assessing and disseminating the subsequent "lessons learned" so such an accident will not happen again. I worked the last four decades of my career in aviation, and we kept a "lessons learned" database that we consulted every time we began design of a new product, to make sure we don't repeat a prior mistake.
Such lessons learned are in fact practiced throughout the aviation industry, and in my opinion that constant attention to safety is what makes aviation just about the safest form or transportation.
Not just "just about", de facto safest...
Unless you're flying aeroflot
Agreed. It's something that I try to apply to life in general.
It's a lot like my industry as well. I operate heavy machinery in a surface mine and they say every time we get a new SOP (standard operating procedures), it's because someone lost their life. Hate that that's how it is, but some lessons are learned the hard way.
That’s all very well until a door blank is installed incorrectly and subsequently blows out at 16,000 feet! Such a major oversight should never have been allowed to happen
@@LucasdeJong1962 Well, most "lessons learned" follow an "until" a new lesson is learned.
33:31 The cinematics here, I genuinely thought that the aircraft would be in the water in the next scene. Great work to the whole Mentour Pilot Team!
The pilots were such a pro, the FO was always aware and focused . and that "Big Mistake" was actually reasonable considering his concern about the landing distance.
The two planes that landed before them, didn't have control issues due to rear mounted engines.
So, the problems these pilots faced were unique to their aircraft.
It's unfortunate. That's why mentor said that pilot assessment is often subjective. It not only depends on pilots subjective assessment, but also on the plane they are flying.
Have to wonder if the aircraft would have stopped before end of runway had it not slid along the retaining wall.
@@mahadevparmekar2565 The two planes that landed before were another MD-88 and a CRJ-701 according to Mentour's video so they were both rear-mounted engines (if I understand your reply correctly) same as this plane.
From what I'm reading, the final report into the accident does say that the flight data recorder shows that braking action was actually reasonable, although obviously the captain had no way of knowing that when he saw a white runway and initially touched down.
Yeah, mistakes can be made when under runway pressure... and in the worst conditions. I feel like they should have played the safety first card when they saw the runway covered in snow, and simply aborted and flown to their alternative destination.
@@mahadevparmekar2565it's odd that the agency would go from a direct measurement of braking action to a 'best guess' from pilots (who have an incentive to optimistically report it). I suspect the real reason is that the measurement system reported 'poor' braking action in situations where the pilot or airline would have typically risked attempting a landing. This forced the pilot to divert thereby costing the airline money. So the airline lobbied against the direct measurement system. Direct measurements are almost always better for this kind of thing. I know they are developing a 'better' measurement system, but in the mean time it would almost certainly be better to use some form of direct measurements. Same thing with the thrust reverse detent system. It wasn't perfect so they got rid of it leaving pilots with an even worse alternative method. Why? The detent system might not get a perfect 1.3 EGR but it would almost certainly not let the EGR get to 2.0 like the pilots did. So basically they made the situation worse for the pilots. Bizarre how these supposedly highly skilled committees make decisions that are clearly poorly thought out.
I was in that airport awaiting a connecting flight when this happened. My flight was canceled and I breathed a sigh of relief. I remember the commotion inside the terminal.
Another great one Peter.
Great to see the pilot monitoring so astute in diagnosing the rudder blanking and being so assertive about mentioning it.
The FO was very assertive which is exactly what I’m looking for when flying. The stowing of the TR’s is actually what must be done to control directional problems especially in X-wind, contaminated runway etc. conditions. The fact that the CA didn’t do it by himself just shows how much stress he was under. In high stress situations most revert to very basic actions, which in his mind was stopping the Aircraft since he noticed things were getting out of control and closing the TR’s is “counter” to what he is trying to accomplish hence he was hesitant to do it and his FO being so on top actually helped the CA regain SA and finally close them.
Great fo
I'm not a pilot, but have watched several Mayday videos where the FO or another crew member speaks up to identify a mistake made by the pilot flying and/or speaks up to point out something that the pilot flying doesn't seem to be aware of or is not paying attention to. These ONE WORD observations or notifications happen again and again and again in many accident videos I have watched. For example, "reversers" or "overbank" or "stall." Shouldn't there be a standard in CRM that states that the person identifying the problem has to be SPECIFIC and also inform the pilot flying what the SOLUTION is? I saw one Mayday video where the FO (pilot flying) was told to "pull down" (on the side stick) by the Captain. That plane crashed because the "terminology" used by the captain during a state of panic confused the FO. What the Captain meant to say was "We are in a stall, push the nose down." This was NEVER communicated in the multiple attempts the captain made to get the FO to take the correct action. Yes, poor/wrong choice on the Captain's part for sure but ppl can say and do stupid things under stress. What if instead, CRM trained pilots to identify the PROBLEM (we are in a stall) followed by the SOLUTION or ACTION: Pull down the side stick. Even if "pull down" the side stick was the wrong command, (should be PUSH DOWN) the FO should have known exactly what to do bc the Captain identified the problem. PROBLEM: the plane was in a stall. In an emergency, such clear PROBLEM/SOLUTION-ACTION commands could save the plane. Again, I am not a pilot, but I have watched many air crash episodes and this is a common thread in plane crashes. Someone shouts out, "overbank" or "turning left" but doesn't say, "We are in a left overbank- turn right immediately." Very frustrating! Please pilots, weigh in on this. Thoughts, comments?
A note about tailwinds. Major airports hate changing runways, and will run with a tailwind until the majority of pilots refuse the landing, then reluctantly they will change runways. I'm talking to you LGA and DCA..... This is an increasing threat. DCA is notorious for this. Thanks to this video, I'm going to start the APU on final during challenging approaches.
Instead of starting the APU which would only be on marginal help in case of a crash, wouldn't it be best to just reject and not crash?
@@Fay7666 always want to be prepared for whatever challenges come your way. Even the ones your actively trying to avoid.
LAX also does this and is often reluctant to initiate reverse ops
I really think the tailwind was a decisive factor in this accident, as it erased what was left of the runway safety margin after accounting for extra fuel and runway conditions, leading to the understandable overuse of reverse thrust.
Thank you! LGA and especially DCA, both of which have relatively short runways, are extremely reluctant to change their configuration. NYC airspace does complicate this decision, but LGA can be an absolute mess in the winter.
Someone mentioned LAX, and that’s true, but the LAX runways are all long and normally dry. I’d rather have a headwind, but normally LAX is landing west and winds are normally not a huge issue. SLC can be a terrible operation in the winter as they have rapidly changing winds with reversals on final sometimes followed by landing on a very slippery runway. DEN is very unpredictable despite having all the runways.
The insane multitasking, decision-making, and problem-solving skills needed in fractions of seconds in this kind of emergency is positively extra-human. These pilots had to do _so much_ right in mere instants and even with good CRM, experience, skill, relatively decent procedures, a perfectly functional aircraft, and a snow team that was doing their best, they still ended up crashing. It's one of those perfect storm situations that rely on a million factors coming together for any of it to be a problem.
Both Pilots were among the best possible and had thousands upon thousands of hours of experience, but THIS will be the ONE landing they will ALWAYS be remembered for.
Yes - and even at this ONE Landing they performed well all-in-all. The Aircraft was damaged beyond repair, yes, but everybody on board could walk away on his own feets - probably not all Pilots would have been able to handle such an accident with such an outcome.
If I was on that flight or had family on it, I would definitely remember forever that they kept all souls safe in that situation. It wasn't just down to luck, the report makes it clear that it was their effective teamwork that allowed them to recover from a potentially catastrophic situation despite having to deal with design flaws that made the aircraft very dangerous in an emergency. They had seconds to react, and they managed to save everyone. it's truly remarkable. It's not the mistakes that define people, but how you recover from them, and they were absolutely great.
The weather was turning bad during the day, more snow fall than the airport plows could handle apparently. Actually the outcome of this flight turned out better than expected, all passengers were okay, even though the plane was beyond repair. Kuddos to the cockpit crew, /cabin crew.
Yes it seems after rerewiewing this video, apparently the pilots were not given an update pertaining to the weather in New York, or the condition (s) of the runway, even though the runway (s) were cared for earlier, the snow fall was accumulating, which resulted ground crews, unable to manage the runways. Overall thankful that passengers/crew no injuries.
That’s kinda how accidents work, unfortunately. No matter how hard and well you worked in your entire career, the one time you messed up will be what the general public remembers you for.
Twenty Five thousand hours, and, I learn from your videos. YOU help me keep my passengers safe.
Twenty five thousand hours? Wow, that's quite a career.
Holy Smoke!!! You must have been pulling double shifts in the B-52 in the Chrome Dome Days!!! 😮
I work in field maintenance in a non-aviation industry, but I clock in less than 1000 feet from Textron and Learjet. I am always trying to be better at my job. Just got my EPA certification for HVAC on top of 14 years in industrial/commercial electric, electronic, and mechanical. If I don't do my job well, I can seriously injure or kill and cause massive loss of revenue. If you aren't constantly learning, too easy to get complacent. Your safety attitude is excellent. Safe travels!
Gotta say having an actual commercial pilot making these videos is awesome, we get so much more information on the aircraft systems, controls and procedures and coming from a pilot makes these videos unequaled anywhere on UA-cam, amazing job!
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@@Capecodham yes
@@Capecodham already ahead of you bud. Most of us can navigate informal platforms with ease by 4th grade.
@@Capecodhamshhhhhhh
@@Capecodhamim sorry, I laughed while reading this. Are you serious? Out of everything that person wrote, your focus is on insulting them for using the word “gotta”? You have to be really bored…
it amazes me how much pilots need to know about the different aircrafts... it also amazes me how something like the reverse thrust stuff can be designed and signed off on when it can make handling of the aircraft impossible... its like they design things, build it, find out it doesn't work properly then just decide to issue a bulletin saying don't use it as it is intended and everyone is okay with it... i am not a pilot... my hats off to everyone that flies planes...
What else to expect from McDonnell Douglas
Hubby is 91 and I’m 75. We thoroughly enjoy your videos. Yes, at times they are technical but we enjoy that - we learn. Thank you.
Nice to hear Judy - as a young puppy (65) I absolutely love to hear your word 'learn'. Best wishes from NZ.
Always time to learn!
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You are an awesome person 😮🙏
Fantastic
@Studio732JRL when I was a younger man I always wanted a sugar mama. When I was 20, maybe a hot 40 year old that wanted my young body. You know what mean?
I loved when you said that the two pilots were getting along really well and you had them nodding at each other entusiastically in the cockpit at the same time at 4:56 😂
The video quality is stunning!
Not only that, they were transparent ghosts 👻👻
@@bob_mosavo 😄👍
Foreshadowing 😮@@bob_mosavo
I love this video game protagonist acting. Gives it a bit of levity
Even though it was an actual accident, it's great to see how the first officer did exactly what the second pilot is there to do, he helped the pilot flying with an issue he came to be aware of. Runways that are this strips of land on the sea are scary, I guess whoever built the fence was extremely satisfied to know that the airplane managed to stop before falling into the water
It can be, there are airports, that were designed around water, such as LaGuardia, Boston Logan. Its a blessing that they were able to stop the aircraft using the thrust reversers, even though the plane did lose control, veer off the centerline of the runway, continued on. They could have continued on not stopping and ending up in the bay.
Yes of course, perhaps it may have been an all together outcome. Thank goodness it wasn't. Well done to the cockpit crew. Like I said in previous comments, the crew was not given an updated metrologicical update. They did there very best, if not better . No injuries sustained, only the aircraft. They were very fortunate not to take a dunking in the bay. Sure that they not have survived, not sure what the temperature may have been. Since in had been snowing, it may have been below freezing. Thank goodness all went well.
Or did the co-piot create issues? Along with no electricity, I would assume they also lost hydraulic for brakes.
I would assume there would be some hydraulic pressure still to work the brakes, even after the engine has cut. Cutting the engines likely saved them from a major fire though, since the evacuation was so botched and fuel was pouring out all over the place, had the engines still been running at all it could create a spark.
Been enjoying your videos for some time now, from back in your sofa era, and some of these have even been incidents I didn't already know about. The Icelandair 757 was really interesting (and I've actually apparently been on that plane, years later). I've been flying the 757 for a bit in the simulator now and it was neat to know exactly how they did what they did before you explained it!
A few things to point out about the airmanship and resilience of the crew was to shut down the engines, use his phone to call dispatcher and think outside the box. Honestly, I cannot trust any of the pilots I fly with to even think on anything like this. Hats off to the FO
@@Capecodham Grow up!
I believe that even if you have this particular FO, you would not notice his skills with your lack of trust in your team member.
I think these pilots did an absolutely amazing job. Their quick and correct responses, especially shutting down the engines after the left wing started leaking fuel, saved everyone.
"And finally... ... ...the plane stopped." You kept me hanging there!
Good to hear that no one died. The pilots conducted themselves pretty well in a situation where a small mistake made them lose control of the aircraft.
It could be that that extra reverse kept them from running off the end of the runway. Better sideways an on ground, than straight and in the water. … also, that 90 second emergency exit goal seems extremely optimistic to me. … all in all, it was a very successful emergency landing.
Happy new years, sir! Absolutely love the channel, has been a staple every week while I’m on my lunch at work this past year
Thank you for an ultimately positive story for Christmas!
Petter, whoever is doing your animation and videography is doing a great job. it seems to me that the overall quality continuously improves as I'm seeing more and more detail over time. Kudos to you and your team for excellent work!
A great video as always, but they are still mislabeling the ATC controllers in the graphics. Narration is correct, but I noted all ATC being labeled as Tower. 26:22, 26:31 and 26:44 at least, which was actually Center and Approach, leaving the hold, approach clearance, and handoff to tower. In fact other if not all ATC comms are labeled as "LaGuardia Tower", even enroute comms, an hour out, which is jarring to read as a pilot. I called attention to these problems before in these videos. Hope they can fix it because it's in every video, making it a little confusing seeing the wrong controller labels and potentially relevant to some stories as to who is communicating. For pilots this is obvious and noticeable, and perpetuates the incorrect public knowledge that ATC is all Tower.
Although the video is great. I don’t like the thumbnail at all. Have a look at it AI made it.
In an earlier post, Petter stated they've been testing different thumbnails. Both by the artist and by AI.
@@---l--- I see. They should use the artist ones. The ones from AI are unnatural and weird looking. And it doesn’t look like the same aircraft
@@alienter7517 It’s awful isn’t it! I’m not against ai art, I have a disabled best friend whose only way of artistically expressing themself is with ai so I’m pro the technology in general but crucially, they don’t just enter a prompt and push out whatever it gives, they take days and even weeks on every piece, painstakingly perfecting it. Thats not what happened in that thumbnail, clearly!!
Thank you for your very thorough review of this incident. I used to fly the MD-88 and spent many occasions flying this same flight, only most often in better conditions. You had mentioned the reverse thrust EPR limitation. You did mention it as more of a timing issue. That may have been a relevant problem but there is another aspect too. Although we were well trained in what amounted to a rather arcane matrix of EPR limits depending on friction conditions, and whether flying an MD-88 or MD-90, the biggest problem was rigging of the JT-8D’s reverse thrust system. Sometimes just getting past the detent and into reverse could get to almost instant max reverse situation. Sometimes mechanics really couldn’t find a rigging parameter that could consistently give good reverse thrust control. The MD-88 used cables to the Pratt & Whitney JT-8D’s whereas the MD-90 had a very precise FADEC system to govern the IAI v2800’s and that was the preferred airplane for LGA and DCA airports. I believe the thing that really bothered us was that this happened even though most of us would have done all the exact same things that this crew did. As a side note, I’m told that the aircraft was considered fixable, until the salvage company lifted it with their crane. Something failed causing it to drop, rendering it pretty un-salvageable at that point. I hope nobody was hurt in that. We didn’t even touch on how much the MD-88’s brakes chattered as the last few knots came off before a stop. I always found the MD-80 series to be predictable, trustworthy, great-flying, airplanes….as ground vehicles, not so much.
Maybe the FADEC system is/was the answer to the question I had about (to phrase it differently) about making the reverse thrust operation predictable,equal between the two engines if desired and even giving,if desired,the ability to use slightly asymmetric thrust as a "rudder assist" in such conditions and incidentally also allow full or nearly full engine power to be usable in reverse thrust in "panic braking" situations
Thank you for bringing this up. I’ve got ~10,000 hours in the DC-9/MD-80 and people who’ve only flown FADEC/EEC equipped aircraft cannot imagine the variability of TR deployment and spoolup in the MD-80. Not only was the physical pull required on the reverse levers WAY different from aircraft to aircraft and engine to engine, the actual deployment time (as mentioned by Mentour) was quite variable too. After they were deployed the amount of lever displacement to get them even was often dramatically different and the spoolup time was different still. I liked the MD-80 for many reasons, but reverser use on contaminated runways was NOT one of the reasons. I was a check airman for quite a while on the plane, and the amount of time spent discussing this issue represented a large portion of my IOE discussion.
Thanks for the great reply!
I wish the late Dave Drach could be here to participate in this discussion !
(He was an AA pilot who won a 100 mile footrace in 1990)
Thanks! Well done
I think the FO did a great job at keeping situational awareness alive and reacting very quickly to the evolving circumstances ❤
Any First Officer no matter how junior are "Acting" Captains so take note of this.
It's actually kind of nice to know what kind of preparation and training go into flights. I know I've wondered what exactly the captain and first officer do up there given there's so much automation. It's also fascinating to see how the differences in aircraft design can make such a huge difference in landings, as I assume the other flights that landed may not have had the same construction and therefore not the same reverse thrust issues.
I’m a Delta retiree 🛫🛬🛩️ I enjoy watching your videos and how you explain each situation in detail 👍🏼✈️
Awesome! Thank you!
I’ve watched this very carefully. Spot on 👍
Looking forward to this since the announcement! Can’t get enough of these amazing intros. I know you usually don’t cover non-airliners accident, but there was a really fascinating accident in Alaska involving a DHC-2 back in August of 2021. Here a quick overview: the plane was flying a sightseeing trip in IMC conditions and the plane hit a side of valley just 200 feet from the summit. The pilot was not allowed to fly in IMC and wasnt flying on the flight plan for the area. There were FAA rules in place but they weren’t mandatory and 6 people died. Really be interesting to see your opinion and perspective.
IMC? Does that stand for I Might Crash?
Instrument Meteorological Conditions
@@rager1969😮
A sightseeing trip in IMC? Interesting... .
@@saulnier Yea, something doesn't add up here, among other odd statements. What/Who didn't "allow" pilot to fly in IMC? Any commercial pilot will be IFR certified, and VFR flight plans are optional, therefore nothing nefarious when not flown. FAA "rules" that aren't "mandatory" aren't rules.
Hello mentour, I'm Kenyan, 19 years old and a big fan of yours since I was in high school
Your videos are great and have contributed to my passion for being a pilot,
I'm really excited for each video you upload
As I've already started my flight training late August this year I've found your videos really important and relatable especially in human performance
Keep up the great work!!!
Good luck in following your dream!
good luck
You can do it, follow your passion!
That's amazing, good luck with your studies!
Best of wishes to a great long career! You can and you will succeed!
I love that you made a video about Delta! It’s my most flown airline and your videos always reassure me a ton and I’ve not seen much on Delta specifically. These pilots made a small mistake for sure, but honestly with everything being so on the edge it sounds like there needs to be more help for pilots. No way to monitor every instrument at once, it just seems impossible.
These pilots did a great job keeping everyone safe.
I can’t come to the same conclusion as you. If they had simply diverted, we wouldn’t have even seen this video. They took unnecessary risks, and could have killed everybody!
Your storytelling abillities are incredible. I literally stopped breathing when the plane left runway and was heading to the water.
What a Great way to start the weekend, With a new upload from one of the best Aviation UA-camrs!!!!
Hope you enjoy! Thanks for being here and the lovely comment!
The best actually
@@MentourPilotMerry Christmas and Happy New Year, thanks for sharing!
Mentor is not one of the best but simply the best of em all... The way he present and the research just super... Love you from Zimbabwe man
Thank you sir.
Having watched a large majority of your videos, I find them highly engaging and informative - it's always important to recognise accidents, mistakes, and genuine pilot error, so we can understand why and how things went wrong. It'd be all too easy to make viewers feel uncomfortable about flying, with how many videos cover fatal crashes, but you also go over the improvements aviation boards have suggested to make flying safer.
The video structure is amazing; thank you so much, Mentour, for such high-quality content.
Thank you for making this video. It's an honour to see you aviation videos as it makes me motivated to becoming a pilot.
I am 14-years-old and in the future I want to be a 747-400/-800 cargo pilot. When I am not studing or anytime I have a short break, I always watch either Mentour Pilot, Mentour Now, Captain Joe and 74 Gear's Channel. Or sometimes I read one of your NTSB or Wikipedia links.
Great to have you here. Study hard and we'll see you in the clouds!
Looking forward,@@MentourPilot . I am very excited.
You go, girl, I’m sure you’ll make a great pilot🙂
Definitely do it - I was the same as you growing up - I’m just about to get my PPL 😊 for now I just play flight simulator a lot lol
You can do it!
Can’t wait for you to cover the recent Japanese airlines crash that happened today/yesterday night. I’m assuming the coast guard plane was told to line up and wait on the taxiway for clearance to takeoff, and they, through miscommunication, lined up on the runway and waiting for clearance to take off. Glad everyone from the airliner made it, and unfortunate that the coast guard people did not :/
I watched a news story, the guys said that plane wasn’t supposed to be on the runway. Also the Airbus A350 is supposed to be less flammable and perhaps that and only that was the reason everyone on that plane got out safely.
Less flammable???@@garrylarry890
Apparently the Airbus 350 was relatively new. Its a blessing that the crew/cabin were able to get all the passengers off, with no injuries. If there were injuries, non threating. Its great that the passengers did listen to the cabin crew, in reference to protocol for leaving the aircraft. Did here on the news that the dash 8 was asked to hold, not to cross, while the Airbus 350 was landing. So unfortunate to start of the new year. But its a blessing there were not more ingured or loss of life. According to the news the captain survived with injuries on the dash 8, unfortunately not his remaing crew members.
It will take a while, most likely after the final report gets released. A lot to learn from it, reminds me of the linate airport disaster quite a bit.
Yes bros, remember incident in Italy at linate airport involving a scandivian aircraft, embraer. It was very foggy, no radar, airport markings have not been done a while. The embrarer was had crossed over to an active runway. The same runway the sas airline was taking off from. So unfortunately, the fire brigade if they had responded sooner than they did. Occupants of the embrarer were still viable, but when they reached them they had passed. The sas aircraft very fortunate able to maneuver there plane away from the passenger terminal. Unfortunately all perished on that plane.
Thanks for all your interesting both technical and also psychological content regarding flying and operating aircrafts also crew wise in emergency situations. This is helpful even for other professions beyond the world of air traffic. I also like your acknowledgement of all service and ground crew people involved in these incidents. Lastly, thanks for sharing before Christmas an event without casulties. God Jul!
31:12 "And do you remember what happens when that much reverser is being used?" (pause for viewers to respond) "Yes! This meant..."
This reminded me of preschool age shows like Blues Clues or Dora and, not gonna lie, it made me happy. That kind of call & response interaction was super effective on me. I wonder how many of these I haven't noticed. Man I love this channel.
That FO was certainly on top of his game. I hope that helped him make captain.
@@Capecodham? Mentour pilot does not use acronyms, who are you to try and show off?
Honestly though, why are you spamming that all over the comments? There's no need to be so rude.
@@Capecodhamliterally mate sort it out or your gonna be upset about everything for the rest of your life
@@Capecodham FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO
@@Capecodham a UA-cam comments section is not a formal setting innit
@@Capecodham as I say UA-cam is not formal. It’s not writing
Mate, you need these videos turned into full scale documentaries on a streaming platform! They are so professional! I love these, this these videos up Petter!
Don't say that!
I mean, i don't disagree though.
I've been following this channel for some years when he "only" had 100K subscribers, and the quality has gone up in big leaps, but i also like to keep enjoying this content for free! haha :D
Well, you tube is a streaming platform and 40 minutes is a TV hour. So in fact these already are what you are suggesting. Why deal with media companies giving up morte revenue.
I watch UA-cam far more then streaming platforms, therefore UA-cam videos rival streaming platforms for viewers, and proof you don’t need a major broadcaster to produce videos
Other than mislabeling ATC controllers in the graphics in every video.
Yes I always watch them right through
As a frequent flyer, I appreciate your vids greatly. Thanks! 👍🙏🙏
I have no connection to the aviation industry and only fly very infrequently but I still watch every one of your videos as soon the notification arrives. You have a knack for telling a very interesting story without sensationalism. You even manage to make the back story and technical details fascinating!
And thanks, too, for giving us a suspenseful wintery episode for Christmas with no casualties. 👍
As a lifelong New Yorker, LaGuardia has always been an awful airport for so many reasons especially the short runways and takeoffs/landings over the water. They recently remodeled some of the terminals, but they need to see what can be done about the runways.
They need to train their employees a lot better to avoid situations like things. Hoping for the best outcome and walking away is a recipe for accident.
The biggest change I have noticed since this accident is that airlines are much more prone to cancel flights proactively when weather gets this bad. At airports like LGA and DCA, that’s a good thing, as even in good weather, there’s not much room for error there.
They built nice terminals to sit in to wait, but they also needed to fill in the bay and add another runway and also extend the current runways. If this was Asia, the Middle East, or even Europe they would have done this already. But then again, NY can barely maintain the roads for highway robbery tolls. Also, parking at LGA is over $40 a day.
Not to mention the downtown Flushing area keeps permitting taller residential buildings esp in recent years and more buildings are scheduled to be built in the Mets/ Shea Stadium area.
English person here. When I flew into NYC for the first time I deliberately chose a flight to LaGuardia... because of the spectacular view you get of Manhattan. I wasn't disappointed. But I wasn't aware that at the end of those runways is nothing but water. What happens in the event of an unplanned runway "excursion" obviously has to be factored into landing decision-making. Not all runways are created equal.
Attention passengers, please leave your coats onboard because the fuel leaking outside is likely to catch fire and that will warm you up. Thank you for flying Delta! Have a pleasant day in New York.
😄
And please pass this message on to the people seated in the row behind you because our PA system does not work right now. 🤔
@@IngoSchwarze oops, I forgot that. General Order 4: To repeat all calls from posts more distant from the guardhouse than my own
Tack!
It's always a great day when you open UA-cam and you see a new Peter's video. A great educator and storyteller!
Those rear mounted engines were also damaged with ice falling off the wings before modern de-icing methods.
I love the information density of your videos, the supporting notes, animations, asides to give more information about a topic then back to the main narrative, the pacing is perfect and tbh better than most Netflix documentaries about anything
I read that NTSB cited pilot error. That seemed like a cop out. The pilots acted reasonably on everything including thrust reversing (adjusting accordingly within seconds of landing).
The pilot continued despite audibly registering the snow covered runway, and lost directional control because he exceeded the reverse thrust guideline. Understandable mistake, yes - but still a mistake.
The airplane's engineering was the first mistake, as well as the airline accepting it.
The next mistake, in my opinion, was the lack of communication to the pilot of the *actual* condition of the runway. Not cleared and sanded but, instead, snow covered.
@joot78
Wow, at some points it seemed the whole world had conspired against this crew and aircraft - nobody giving them sufficiently accurate information on the runway conditions, the left reverser deploying just a bit earlier, the left engine producing more thrust while in reverse, nobody actually noticing the accident for quite some time, the PA not working - it seemed their bad luck would never stop. Thankfully everyone made it out safely.
Still confused about what the issue with the two infants was, though. Did they forget someone on the plane during evacuation?
I don't think it was an issue in this particular incident, however had there been massive damage or fatalities it becomes an accountability issue when looking for and finding victims and remains.
I had wondered about that too.
That's how it tends to go for air accidents. Multiple things have to wrong all at once, and even then the consequences aren't always fatal (this incident being the perfect example). I've actually started feeling way safer on planes after watching this channel because of that
Glad to see the captain finally listening to the FO and not following his own tunnel vision. Good team under difficult circumstances. I'd love to learn more as to why the evac took so long!
@@Capecodham If you think using acronyms is "showing off" idk what to tell you
@@Capecodham IMO, you’re just looking to be obnoxious. UA-cam comments aren’t university admissions essays; relax a little!
I’m flying in a few hours and watching this was both thrilling and (eventually) soothing. Listening to you narrate the expertise of the first officer and captain in an emergency situation was relaxing while being immensely educational. Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos, Petter. I hope the upcoming season will bring you cheer and peace🎊
Glad you enjoyed it, and thank you for the kind words!
Flying is scary because we surrender our control and trust in others to keep us safe. But those people are highly trained experts who want to have a safe trip just as much as you.
Most car accidents don't make the news because they're so common. But every aircraft accident is covered because they're so rare.
@@PsRohrbaugh Isn't it funny how people get used to dangers based based on degree of exposure. We see nothing wrong with passing cars going 60mph head to head by just a couple feet. A single moment of inattention likely death, yet so many are afraid to fly.
Great video, Petter! I’m hopeful the weather alerting issues have been resolved at LaGuardia as it sounds like they were behind the times in terms of advising pilots of runway conditions!
The amount of effort you put into your videos is always amazing
4:55 I love how he's moving the visual up and down to simulate the pilots chatting 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought it was an earthquake
You are a great storyteller
Along with attention to detail and incredible graphics I must say you are the best
Wow, thank you! 💕💕 That’s lovely to hear!
@@MentourPilotI like the graphics is this msfs2020? bc the graphics look like msfs2020
I'm always at the edge of my seat watching these accidents unfold, and it's always a great feeling when you get to hear that everyone on board made it!
That has to be one of the more fascinating reconstructions of incident/accident events. Well Done. Non-pilots are often under the impression that we are constantly making life and death decisions each time we report for duty, whereas in fact, almost all decision-making before and during the flight has been foreseen and decisions made according to regulations and company SOPs. This combination of events highlights how rarely, not how frequently, we're faced with circumstances that can arise where the outcome is not wholly in our favour.
What a great way to start my snowy Saturday morning! Watching these videos have made me far less scared to fly, knowing that pilots like these ones and yourself are getting us to and from our destinations. The professionalism and skill of these pilots don't go unnoticed because they had very challenging circumstances to deal with!
Thank you!
Clearly experienced captain and FO, military experience and 1000s of hours flying commercial. What happened to their careers? Does an incident like this end it? Thinking back to Sully, "40 years of flying I've delivered millions of passengers and all i will be judged on is 208 seconds"
@K1OIK first officer I'm no one and trying to show nothing
But that’s what you are being paid for, the real emergency, or making wise decisions. It was too many things stacked against this landing situation and they made the wrong decision to land. It’s not like they had to land.
I think they put it risk the lives of the passengers for no good reason and I would not want to fly with them again, knowing that they have excellent skills, it’s the decision making that bothers me
@@Capecodham: Good point. I hate it when people use acronyms, it is so annoying and it stops you from thinking because you have to interpret the acronym. I don’t use them either, NW (No Way … just joking to show how freaking annoying it is)
Pretty soon there will be more acronyms and there are actual words in a sentence or in dialogue. It’ll be like a foreign language. I have to look up the goddamn acronyms all the time just to interpret what the dumb f|_|€K 😅young people are writing
@@KD-gw4sj: I think it’s bad to use acronyms unless they are well established like BS & SOB. There are too many acronyms. I know you didn’t mean any harm but, it’s a lesson to learn and I try to practice zero acronym use myself
Maybe I'm missing the joke, but I can't imagine anyone watching this content wouldn't know what an FO was...
A good landing is one you walk away from, a great landing allows the plane to be used again. That was a good landing
The plane was actually going to be serviceable until the crane recovering it dropped it.
You know it’s gonna be a good day when Mentour Pilot uploads.
The research and investigation you've done into all of these accidents over the years, and the knowledge gained from them must make you possibly one of the best prepared pilots in the world to face an emergency! I know i'd feel 100% safe with you in the cockpit!
Really love your videos. I've been binge watching them for weeks!
Thanks
I’ve been flying to Atlanta to Boston for Christmas for over 25 years and with Boston also being a snow-prone airport right on the ocean, this is the kind of situation I think about a lot. Luckily, never been in an accident like that. 😮
It’s a blessing to have such an experienced FO.
Amazing work as always! Thanks for the report and explanation!
When he mentioned that the two infants were not registered officially as passengers, the conclusion I expected to hear was something like: There are 127 passengers on board, the emergency responders only know about 125 from the reports, so when they headcount 125-126 people evacuating the plane (including infants in their headcount) they would assume the plane was clear of passengers, when in actuality one or two people are unknowingly left behind and become casualties of some post-event nature. Thankfully, that wasn't the case, it seems.
I always wondered why the MD-88 engines had those odd pieces sticking out from the back on the sides. Those are there for the reversers. Never knew what those were for until this video. Learn something new everyday.
That’s why we are here, Merry Christmas! 🎄💕
@@MentourPilot And that's why we all appreciate your videos. Entertaining and educational. Two of my favorite things! ^-^
Happy holidays!
We all have/do
Great video. I got my PPL many years ago, but this week I finished my rusty pilot training and passed my flight review on Thursday, I’m ready to get back in the sky and your videos have helped me remember all the procedures far better than reading my old textbooks.
Congrats on getting airborne again!
@@Capecodham it's ok that you don't know them, just google the acronyms instead of trying to say Mentour Pilot doesn't use them 😂
@@Capecodham PPL = private pilot license
@@Capecodham are you ok?
@@Capecodham do you really think that using a simple acronym in a comment not directed at you is “pompous” or “showing up others?” Does your response really seem rational? There’s clearly something else going on with you, hence me asking if you’re ok.
I miss seeing your adorable dogs! And I'm addicted to your videos. I was watching one with my mother over the holidays and she was laughing at me because I knew what spoilers and flaps and ILS and TOGA all were (and much more). Thanks for all the great content!
Thanks!
Really well explained. ...this accident shows perfectly how super important the PM duties/calls are (from inside the flight deck) in time critical events like T/O and LDG. At high speed there are often just a few seconds before you go off the RWY, so the PM needs to see an effective reaction from the PF almost instantly.
In the Simulator, for an incapacitation training event, I usually briefed the PF beforehand to veer slowly off the RWY after touch down to provoke a situation where the PM needs to take over controls, or do something appropriate and stay on the RWY.
@@Capecodham PM = Pilot Monitoring / PF = Pilot Flying. Both positions irrespective of rank.
T/O = take off / LDG = landing ect.
Who I am? ...well, for the moment I am a heli pilot (with a little boutique tourist company in my country). The 22yrs prior I flew fixed wings at a major company before I moved to biz jets. Oh, and for a few yrs I also was an Instructor and Examiner. (All MCC = Multi Crew Concept eg. two pilots)
Just ask anything, if I can I answer to the best of my knowledge.
Quite obviously, we both find accidents / incidents videos from @MentourPilot interesting, right? Cheers, Chris
@@Capecodham🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
While on the subject of Delta flights: you’ve covered American 191 but where’s Delta 191? Very valuable lesson to be had there about why pilots are trained not to fly into thunderstorms.
With every video I think it must be quite a job to get all animations fixed using flightsims etc. Can imagine it's a time consuming thing but makes it all really nice to watch.
You really teach us about aviation, I have learned so much from your videos. Thank you and happy holidays! :)
A year ago, I got into binging those old Air Crash Investigation TV episodes, now we're here. Gotta say, it's amazing to get these in-depth breakdowns from an experienced pilot, combined with those expertly crafted visuals. Great job from you and your team, your videos are always a great watch!
Honestly I prefer these episodes by Mentour Pilot. The Air Crash Investigation episodes annoy me because they go through every other possibility until they finally get to the actual cause. I prefer this direct approach.
@@mikoto7693ACI is dramatisation. It is acting. Often very loud and sensationalized…
Yeah.. I came the same route. You get a different perspective because air crash investigation follows the investigators, whereas Mentour concentrates on the pilots. I was always left wanting for more detail with those shows, and wow, do you get it on this channel!
I had the exact same experience. Those shows got me hooked on this stuff and now I want more details…
The informed context that you add to these reports is invaluable.
I felt like there were a couple of "loose ends" to this one. First, was there any impact of the two unreported infants? The way you set that up it seemed like there might have been a couple injured passengers left aboard or something due to the miscount. Second, what became of the aircraft? Was it repairable or a writeoff? You don't often leave us in suspense like this, Petter! :-)
I'm also wondering about the two infants! I went to google about the aircraft's outcome and it appears that it was written off as a hull loss.
Also wondering what happened to the snow.. Was it cleared eventually or did it melt on its own?
The Aircraft, registration N909DL, was a write-off. There´re Reports in the Net that all 127 (!) Passengers and 5 Crew Members were evacuated without serious injuries and survived, however 23 of them received minor injuries. So the two Babies were at least alive and without serious injuries..
@@wyskass861😂😂😂thanks for making my bad day end with a good laughing!
The aircraft sustained additional damage in transport to the NTSB hanger, as seen in the NTSB photos where different colors were used for pre and post-accident damage. Ultimately, the aircraft was written off. @@NicolaW72
Hi, Mentour
First - Merry Christmas!
Second - wonderful video! I've worked on the MD-80's for 13 years (as a mechanic) and I love it when pilots are well trained in the technical stuff and know their aircraft! I also love it when documentaries don't try to spare the viewer the technical aspects - it is better to encourage them to read further into some thing or another, rather than oversimplify things. In this regard you are one of the few who are super professional, plus, in my opinion, everything was excellently explained even for a non-aeronautically trained viewer (this, of course, largely enhanced by high level of expertise on your part). Keep up the good work! Lovely video, great presentation, greatly structured, awesome explanations! Thank you!
Happy Holydays to you and all your loved ones and have an amazing and blessed new year!
Thank you sir!
I flew the MD-80 series for a long time and it was very reliable, though some of the systems were quirky. As you know reverser rigging was next to impossible, and you probably thought we wrote them up at an unreasonably high rate, but they could be a HUGE surprise on landing for the unwary pilot. Thank you for maintaining the planes for us to go fly. You do amazing work!
I learn new lessons after every video of yours. Your videos are so engaging but informative at the same time. The visuals and the explanation is just spot on. Keep up the good work and already waiting for the next one.
Thanks for another great upload. Petter explains things in a way that somebody with no aviation experience would understand. The cinematography is higher quality than anything that the big production companies are putting out imho. His is the only channel I have to stop what I am doing as soon as there is a new upload. Keep up the great work.
4:54 The pilots were getting along really well (lots of nodding)
Man 😮
I got a little emotional as you were describing the actions they were taking trying to stop the aircraft (maybe because as an airline pilot I can imagine being exactly in their situation)
Also, it's amazing how still aware/ in the "green" they were during the last moments (coming out of reverse, shutting down the engines, differential braking, etc)
What plane are you typerated on?
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg
Embraer 145, FO 2 years, captain for 5 ½
Dash 8 (I flew the Q-400), Captain for 3-ish years
B-737, FO for 7 ½ years, Captain for 1 year
@@dseanjackson1c
Absolutely riveting video - I felt so sure they were going to end up into the water. So happy everyone was ok! Pilots did a great job saving the situation. Thank you Mentour Pilot team for another amazing year of content!
I'm always amazed at your production value. Great video as always.
Thank you very much!
The DC9/MD-80/90 is one of my favorite aircrafts !
Delta has some of the best pilots and maintenance. Only airlines I feel safe flying. Cheers
This is quite a fascinating serious incident in my opinion but i am glad that everyone survived the incident. This video is also reminding me of another runway accident in bad weather and that is American Airlines Flight 1420 back in 1999 at Little Rock. That American overrun accident was an MD-82 and sadly during bad weather and most likely Get-There-Itis, the pilots forgot to arm the spoilers which resulted the death of Captain Richard Buschmann and 10 passengers.
I hope both of those very experienced pilots got back in the air. They did an amazing job in terrible conditions with very limited information.
Indeed.
They did.
the quality of the videos are getting better and better ... thank you for all these info.
Thank you for saying so! Glad to have you here
Have watched quite a lot of your videos, but only the first time, in my opinion, felt that the music during the event of the aircraft landing could have been avoided. However, as always, super awesome videos, animation, explanation, and storytelling were top-notch.
Thank you! There are a lot of different opinions about the use of music. I guess it comes down to personal taste.
As usual excellent narration, excellent presentation with all the necessary facts. Your videos are great. Keep them coming.
Thanks, will do! 💕
This video made me learn alot thank you for the support
When did they notice that the passenger count was wrong, and did the wrong count cause any ramifications?
I guess both of the toddlers were Checkov's sons, and they went off before the end of the video (off the aircraft, i mean). So nothing out of the ordinary here regarding the storytelling. Except that it's quite unusual to rescue *more* unharmed people from the wreck of an accident aircraft than there were souls on it to begin with. Quite a feat by the airport operations & rescue teams, i must say!
Perhaps it does highlight the problem inherent in treating infants like noisy hand luggage, though
I was waiting for that bit of information! I hadn't heard of this incident, so I was holding my breath waiting for something tragic to happen - and since he kept mentioning the two babies.. well, I got really worried. Then the video ended and everyone was safe, so whew, lol.
Amazing videos always watching them 24/7. This is the Netflix that I need ❤️
Thanks Mentour Pilot
Hope you enjoy! Thanks for being here!
Insane coincidence, but I was literally watching another video on this very flight when I got the push notification of this post.
Winter ops at KLGA are always a bit nail biting, we call it the S.S. LaGuardia due to the short runways and being surrounded by water
From Green Dot aviation? I just watched that one earlier today also!
@@t.j.goldwater it actually was Green Dot’s vid, good call ✈️ 😎
@@Capecodham that’s me. showing off my acronyms. Especially when they aren’t acronyms. ;)
your videos are incredible thank you for your hard work! And very helpful