Part One: TB Joshua: The Evangelical Pastor Who Built His Own Hell | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

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    Part One: TB Joshua: The Evangelical Pastor Who Built His Own Hell | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
    Robert sits down with Miles Gray to talk about TB Joshua, a Nigerian pastor whose cult trapped people from all over the world in a literal physical hell of his own design.
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    Original Air Date: February 27, 2024
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  • @munchkingod6
    @munchkingod6 3 місяці тому +38

    When I was in treatment for cancer one of the weirdest things to me was the way my oncologists would get very cautious about laying out a suggested treatment plan. They’d explain the suggestion for me and ask my opinion. Over and over I’d just look at them and say “I didn’t go to med school and know nothing about cancer treatment. Tell me what your expert opinion is and I’ll do that.”
    And it BLEW THEIR MINDS. They apparently almost never get that response. Which is fucking insane to me.

  • @fredericksmith7942
    @fredericksmith7942 3 місяці тому +57

    Everyone already calls me “Little Bastard” so I can definitely acclimate.

  • @phoenix5384
    @phoenix5384 3 місяці тому +76

    As the sickest man in podcasting, does that mean Robert knows how to skateboard?

    • @SavageGreywolf
      @SavageGreywolf 3 місяці тому +18

      he definitely wears cool shades and a backwards baseball cap

    • @DeadCanuck
      @DeadCanuck 3 місяці тому +5

      I mean, he does a sick kickflip. I seen him do it

    • @benny_lemon5123
      @benny_lemon5123 3 місяці тому +4

      ​@@DeadCanuck legitness

    • @anarkisttallboy
      @anarkisttallboy 3 місяці тому +3

      If he doesn't then this whole thing is a sham.

  • @Zomonitan
    @Zomonitan 3 місяці тому +14

    I think we should be called The Bastard Children

  • @aerynmusick4548
    @aerynmusick4548 3 місяці тому +29

    I suppose I’d rather be a “little bastard” than a “little behind”.

    • @AkiVainio
      @AkiVainio 3 місяці тому +1

      I was actually thinking I am a bastard (having been born before my parents married), but not really little.

  • @seanhall8686
    @seanhall8686 3 місяці тому +8

    Hearing you describe the demon fights is reminding me of Bordello of Blood, with the pastor fighting demons with his guitar. We have our fair share of that nonsense in the US as well.

  • @Kyman102
    @Kyman102 3 місяці тому +32

    The mention of a Miracle Crime Unit reminds me of an episode of Leverage where the gang fakes a miracle, and then halfway through a complication arises when the Catholic Church actually has an investigation team to authenticate miracles of Catholic churches.
    So yeah, I'd watch the hell out of a show where Gods are real, but there's still hucksters, so you have people investigating "IS this a miracle?"

    • @Virjunior01
      @Virjunior01 3 місяці тому +2

      Legitimately sounds interesting.
      Man.. been a while since I saw Leverage. My sister got me to watch it, and she named her daughter "Parker"

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 3 місяці тому

      @@Virjunior01 I hope its because parke is great ,

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 3 місяці тому

      The catholics have been through enough where they need to officially have exorcists and a miracle unit XD
      It might be because if people are dead in exorcism it looks bad probably. or to not be open zo all kind of abelism accusations.

    • @Virjunior01
      @Virjunior01 3 місяці тому +2

      @@marocat4749 yeah, but my niece is still a chaos goblin 🤣
      Oh, and I've caught her plenty of times trying to sneak our candy

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Virjunior01 Oh then fitting XD

  • @seancain2216
    @seancain2216 3 місяці тому +25

    Have met John Lithgow, can confirm he's an amazing human being.
    Side note: I wish that, during this podcast, you could just hear Robert cutting up lines of Theraflu. Not ACTUALLY doing them, but damn it would have been hilarious.

    • @AnonymousAnarchist2
      @AnonymousAnarchist2 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@diggysoze2897 I did not know Theraflu was sold as anything BUT a powder you put in hot water with a double of whiskey.

  • @GreenJam2000
    @GreenJam2000 2 місяці тому +2

    I got an ad for an audio bible app before this episode 👍🏻

  • @polyglottenforpain
    @polyglottenforpain 3 місяці тому +24

    All of us have a little bastard inside us deep down

    • @SgtKaneGunlock
      @SgtKaneGunlock 3 місяці тому

      "people are Bastards, Bastard coated bastards with Bastard filling "-Dr.Cox

    • @AnnieRegret
      @AnnieRegret 3 місяці тому +2

      I wish

    • @johnmckiernan2176
      @johnmckiernan2176 3 місяці тому +5

      ​@@AnnieRegret Unfortunately I am the product of married parents and cannot help you with your predicament. And I'm not all that little, either. Double apologies.

    • @AnnieRegret
      @AnnieRegret 3 місяці тому +1

      @@johnmckiernan2176 😂😂😂💋

  • @chrisball3778
    @chrisball3778 3 місяці тому +12

    Some of my former in-laws were into TB Joshua and watched his TV channel sometimes. Based on my narrow sample of his British fans, they were mostly working-class and either Black or from multicultural communities, so I don't know that characterising them as attracted by some element of exoticism in his grift is entirely accurate. I think it was more that, despite not being the most fluent English speaker, he was extremely charismatic and his form of ministry was one familiar to Christians from the African and Caribbean diaspora communities. I'd expect that a lot of his white supporters were probably people who had become involved with African-style Evangelical churches through Black friends and neighbours (i.e. ordinary, genuinely anti-racist people who just happened to see something inspiring in his brand of religion), which makes the way he treated some of them just that little bit more repulsive. I can't speak to his South African audience, as that's a whole other insane dynamic, obviously.
    TB Joshua wasn't even the most overtly frightening of the preachers my former in-laws used to engage with. There was one Kenyan guy called Gilbert Deya. His church was apparently so bizarre and cult-like that even very devout evangelicals like my ex's family decided they were crazy and bailed after a short period of attending. He apparently constantly ranted about demons and serpents possessing people, and got his congregation to gamble their savings, claiming that God had promised them miraculous winnings. He's subsequently been accused (but never convicted) of some truly heinous stuff, including kidnapping babies from Kenya and trafficking them to the UK to set up fake fertility miracles.

  • @lemonsludge
    @lemonsludge 3 місяці тому +19

    Mostly unrelated but I would love to hear a series on Hulk Hogan one day. I know he was covered a bit in the Vince McMahon episodes, but I would love to hear one about him. He is an absolutely insane liar and the wrestling business as a whole is completely bananas. Even if you don't I'll still keep listening and being a big ole Stan about the show ❤

    • @lukelee7967
      @lukelee7967 3 місяці тому +2

      Hulk Hogan? A liar? You don't believe he was asked to replace Cliff Burton as bass player for Metallica?

    • @JONNYSORENSEN_AU
      @JONNYSORENSEN_AU 3 місяці тому +2

      he flew a solo mission to mars . true story

    • @plantain.1739
      @plantain.1739 2 місяці тому +2

      All you need to do is watch the Jim Cornette podcast for that.
      Optionally, they could just ask Jim to come on. I don't that that'd work, but I want to dream damn it.

    • @lukelee7967
      @lukelee7967 2 місяці тому

      @@plantain.1739 Doesn't Jim have a history of pressuring women into having sex with him for jobs? Yes, let's get Robert to talk to him. "So Jim, you suck, like, in all the ways"

  • @willogsdon7092
    @willogsdon7092 3 місяці тому +13

    Ooh yeah robert do some theraflu hot rails you'll be feeling better in no time!

  • @magpieMOB
    @magpieMOB 3 місяці тому +12

    THANK YOU for reminding me about Jon Lithgow's role in Buckaroo Banzai, absolute legend

    • @puttiplush
      @puttiplush 3 місяці тому +4

      We never did find out what the watermelon was doing there... (Also one of my childhood cats was a big ol' Maine Coon named John Big Booté because little me loved that film)

    • @magpieMOB
      @magpieMOB 3 місяці тому +3

      @@puttiplush asking the important questions, after all these years - you're one of the real ones. And yes, having Lithgow overpronounce "Big Booty" with his hammy accent, so that we could then have Christopher Lloyd correcting him, makes me grateful I live in this universe instead of some other, lesser reality where this unlikely confluence of comedic forces could occur

    • @ocularpatdown
      @ocularpatdown 3 місяці тому +1

      @@puttiplushBIG-A-BOOTY

  • @rothloaf1980
    @rothloaf1980 3 місяці тому +3

    Finishing up this ep... A miracle removed a reply I left earlier. Praise Temu!

  • @SesshyLover777
    @SesshyLover777 3 місяці тому +5

    As an Oklahoman who is besties with a Nigerian, can confirm 🤭

  • @Iced-Tea
    @Iced-Tea 3 місяці тому +8

    just found you guys 2 days ago. Cant wait for this episode!

    • @DeadCanuck
      @DeadCanuck 3 місяці тому

      Another lil’ bastard for the pile.

  • @matthollywood8060
    @matthollywood8060 3 місяці тому +3

    For your Behind the Pastors needs I'd like to recommend the Belief It Or Not and Fundie Fridays channels.

  • @THEHAR0LD
    @THEHAR0LD 3 місяці тому +9

    I remember in the 00s when I'd wake up early on weekends to watch Saturday Disney or Robot Wars or on holidays to watch Cheese TV, if I was too early it'd invariably either by an American version of this con where a faith healer would pull people out of wheelchairs then push them over and they'd get up, or yoga. As a non-religious child, I had no use for either of these things, so I would impatiently wait for them to be over and resenting these stupid adults that were stealing my cartoon time from me (as I saw it at the time).

    • @BongRippingRiffLover51
      @BongRippingRiffLover51 3 місяці тому +2

      Those are the true bastards. The evil grown ups on TV blocking kids from watching their favorite cartoons.

  • @MalenkyGoblin
    @MalenkyGoblin 3 місяці тому +3

    BBC Africa did an amazing expose on TB Joshua that's available on UA-cam.

  • @noop1111
    @noop1111 3 місяці тому +5

    Bad boys, bad boys, watcha gonna do...
    MIRACLE POLICE, SEARCH WARRANT

  • @Shut.Eye.Cinema
    @Shut.Eye.Cinema 2 місяці тому +2

    Balogun is a title of the Yoruba language of Nigeria, meaning "Warlord" or roughly translated to "meet at war".
    However, I would like to point out how similar it sounds to the Russian word "Balagan" meaning a circus tent or a modular caravan.
    It was now adopted in the Hebrew language to colloquial mean "disorder, mess"

  • @IsaacCoverstone
    @IsaacCoverstone 3 місяці тому +1

    As the host of the Naked Pentecostalism podcast, I approve of episodes like this that educate people on the dangers of extremist groups such as pentecostals.

  • @johnmckiernan2176
    @johnmckiernan2176 3 місяці тому +2

    Nobody ever suspected I was a bastard when *I* was covered in blood. The blood of the lamb, that is. Not Jesus. Just a lamb.

  • @professorhazard
    @professorhazard 2 місяці тому +2

    TB Joshua's mom's obstetrician: let him cook

  • @yellowbutterfly6796
    @yellowbutterfly6796 3 місяці тому +4

    sorry you're not feeling well, being sick sucks. also im early!

  • @niallheffernan1916
    @niallheffernan1916 3 місяці тому +2

    Robert needs to make that rasping cackle the *official laugh* of BTB!

  • @thomaskalinowski8851
    @thomaskalinowski8851 3 місяці тому +3

    You know you're getting old when you're older than one of Robert's bastards.

  • @MaterialMenteNo
    @MaterialMenteNo 3 місяці тому +1

    I'm lost. Wasn't there supposed to be more Bobby Lee and Lost Cause?

  • @fredericksmith7942
    @fredericksmith7942 3 місяці тому +2

    “I’m the boss’s boss.”
    -Snake Man.

    • @puttiplush
      @puttiplush 3 місяці тому +2

      "Hrngh, the boss of The Boss? So they call him Snake Man because he's made in the image of Solid Snake, who inherited the will of The Boss?" -snake
      "No, Snake, it's because he's bisexual." -otacon

    • @puttiplush
      @puttiplush 3 місяці тому +1

      "Hrngh, the boss of The Boss? So they call him Snake Man because he's made in the image of Solid Snake, who inherited the will of The Boss?" -snake
      "No, Snake, it's because he's bisexual." -otacon

  • @nomdeplume5446
    @nomdeplume5446 3 місяці тому +1

    Start writing the episode about Diddy now Robert!

  • @swimbutsu2927
    @swimbutsu2927 3 місяці тому +12

    Theraflu (preferably the lemon flavor in boiling water), 2oz of bourbon (I usually use buffalo trace), a pinch of ground clove and nutmeg, a little slice of fresh ginger and a cinnamon stick stirrer. Theraflu hot toddy's are god's own flu remedy.

    • @trifontrifonov4297
      @trifontrifonov4297 3 місяці тому +5

      Ah a recipe born out of colonial wealth. 😊
      All the modern warm drinks follow the same basic formula. Some type of alcohol with tons of expensive (at the time) spices added to them. Nutmeg does exactly nothing to treat a cold, but it's expensive and if you are a posh colonial bastard you take in only the most expensive of spices.
      Here is an really old school recipe for hot wine. Red wine, even if it's a shitty one it's ok, about 200 ml/6.8 FL Oz and a tea spoon of ground black pepper. Thats it. You boil it. Wait to get a bit colder. Drink it.
      It's a traditional Bulgarian recipe. And I mean traditional, but you will not know it if you looked it up. Google a warm wine and you get western sweet drinks with TONS of added spices. Meanwhile one out of 30 sites has the original pepper recipe. I guess my country has finally made it, if we are taking on western stuff as our "traditional" stuff. 😂
      The only reason why I knew it to be wrong is because I come from a small village and had a great grandma that knew her shit and wanted to pass on her knowledge.

    • @josch5071
      @josch5071 3 місяці тому +4

      Sir, this is a Wendy's

    • @trifontrifonov4297
      @trifontrifonov4297 3 місяці тому +5

      @@josch5071 Yes, but I want some hot peppery wine, god damn it. 👍

    • @effluviah7544
      @effluviah7544 2 місяці тому +2

      @@trifontrifonov4297 Thank you, holy shit that sounds so good. 10/10 recipe, hell yeah Bulgaria

  • @christopherjustice6411
    @christopherjustice6411 3 місяці тому

    Robert needs to cover the Somoza dynasty at some point.

  • @Akutabai5
    @Akutabai5 2 місяці тому

    I got curious and looked up this TB Joshua guy and the first thing I thought was "oh good, he's dead"

  • @VooshSpokesman
    @VooshSpokesman 3 місяці тому +3

    Love from a SirSic and Vaush fan!

  • @matthewlawton9241
    @matthewlawton9241 Місяць тому

    I live for Sophie's exasperation. XD

  • @solomonreal1977
    @solomonreal1977 3 місяці тому +1

    BTB is much better once you know what Robert looks like ngl

  • @maritimeretro2855
    @maritimeretro2855 2 місяці тому +1

    Snake handling is hilarious becuase its like oh so you're flexing that you can hold the image of satan and it won't bite you? doesn't that mean satans like you though?

  • @theITGuy-no3nt
    @theITGuy-no3nt 3 місяці тому

    Her name is "Bouncy"

  • @beausaccount88
    @beausaccount88 3 місяці тому +1

    The second best season of Dexter*
    The barrel girl season was the best.

  • @sadlytemporary4143
    @sadlytemporary4143 3 місяці тому +1

    The fact that Robert says NSAIDs by pronouncing each letter scans -real weird-

  • @johnmckiernan2176
    @johnmckiernan2176 3 місяці тому

    Have y'all ever stepped back a moment and considered that maybe the real bastards were the friends we made along the way?

  • @lukelee7967
    @lukelee7967 3 місяці тому

    Not only have there been snake handling pastors who have died from snake bites. But there have been snake handling pastors who die of a snake bite. Who's son then goes on to be snake handling pastors, that dies of a snake bite. "Pastors", not "pastor", adding an "s" at the end of the word matters.

  • @jamesrule1338
    @jamesrule1338 3 місяці тому +1

    Might have kept going to church if there were live "demon" fights.

  • @petehjr1
    @petehjr1 3 місяці тому

    "who's selling those buckets:" like literally every right wing preacher type and doomer

  • @nani2155
    @nani2155 3 місяці тому +1

    You gotta do a video, about Ilham Aliyev, an oil nation dictator, thatis currency doing war crimes

  • @direktive4
    @direktive4 3 місяці тому

    he'll only talk to chris sabian

  • @johnjessop9456
    @johnjessop9456 3 місяці тому +1

    What about..."Saddamites"

  • @Queenfan999
    @Queenfan999 3 місяці тому +1

    Antiretrovirals* please please please you're saying it wrong too many times and it hurts

  • @senbrandybuck4492
    @senbrandybuck4492 3 місяці тому

    I want y'all to know that the "Miracle Product/Service that would cure all my illnesses" that was advertised to me was Kona Big Wave beer.