Another good video of an pretty interesting delay. If you need Send&Return mainly for filtering and drive in the delay line, this delay could save a lot of space and money. Right now my favorite delay for delay tones on the cleaner side (in contrast to some noise engineering stuff).
It certainly does lots of cleaner tones really well, though I leaned into the character stuff here pretty quickly as I've really enjoyed that aspect of it.
I jumped on the Thonk wait list . The ModCan Dual Delay has been a fav of mine..probably hard to find anymore. I also dig the PT2399 units like Synthrotek's DLY ..the run-away feedback can hit that King Tubby sweet spot.
I believe the Magneto might be the closest sounding delay module with the old worn out tape option… but the Veno-Echo sounds seems to tick all the boxes in what I want from a dual/stereo delay module as far as versatility and and CV options. I’m truly sold due to this video.
Hi Kev, Magneto is fantastic I'm a big Strymon fan. It doesn't have the resonance option for the filtering or drive that this does, which goes a long way to really shaping those feedback trails. Totally agree those two are the closest things for that tape sound though.
Stoked to see that their ADC is 24bit, 48khz. Wonderful that digital modules are finally catching up to the fidelity levels that are expected from people who have spent thousands building rich analog synth machines and don't want to run their precious through a mobile phone-quality fx processor. Of course, the price tag on this is nothing to scoff at either, but it sounds like the price is probably justified, since its closest competitor is the Magneto, which is even pricier (and a lot bigger).
Hi Duncan, that's the Vortices from SSF with the Mutes expander. It comes with a 2HP expander to add voltage control over the levels but the Mutes expander gives the Mutes which are really handy. It mutes and unmutes as you let go too, which feels way more performative.
just improvising. To be blunt there's really nothing to it. Play something, fairly spacious and wait for it to come back around. Listen, react and improvise around it. If I was trying to play to a grid or clocked material it would be more of an issue. But just freely playing and exploring is really fun. Here's a video with the Synthesis Technology E520 doing the same thing. ua-cam.com/video/3-yetjC8Ey4/v-deo.html this unit can be a more traditional looper but just playing, leaving overdubs open and exploring I find really engaging.
You could patch the sound in with a 50/50 mix patching to the left input, then out of the left output to the right input and right output is your final out ... that gives an interesting mix of both the first delay and the dry signal getting delayed by a longer one (presuming left side short, right side long). This is something I like to do generally with FX. But ... much simpler there is a cross feedback knob and a width knob to play with how the sounds are routed between the two delays.
Looks/sounds great. If they'd just had a real 'looping' mode it would be a perfect replacement for the Magneto (which is wonderful, but takes a lot of hp). BTW, I looked at their website, but there doesn't seem to be any outlets yet. Do you have any info on where we can find it?
Yeah I agree a normal looper mode would be great, but the control set is pretty different. Although I love that hybrid space of delay as a looper, looper as a delay and bending and twisting between them. The Venus Instruments website (bit.ly/venusinstruments ) has it up for sale with PayPal and credit card options. But stock is going out to all stores that ordered from distribution and should have been there ready for last night. Global shipping is wild around Christmas so it might just take a few days to show up. Only one I can currently see is a Perfect Circuit pre order. But others should follow soon. Perfect Circuit affiliate - bit.ly/DK-perfectcircuit - if you care to use it which passively supporters me with a little kick back. There's also a Patreon exclusive discount code for Perfect Circuit too if you care for that. Who do you usually shop with?
They had a previous version of this. I have one. It’s 4hp larger, doesn’t have nearly as large a buffer, and does not have drive, sample rate reduction, or karplus strong. It’s a fantastic echo. I’m hoping this new firmware will run on the older model, but I’m thinking probably not, and I can’t afford over $500 for another delay, lol.
Flippintronics? Is that the tape delay technique developed in 1963 which Terry Riley used or the same technique Eno 'invented' in 1973 that Fripp gave his name to. 🤓 Lovely & insightful patching (as always).x
Yeah Terry Riley's dual reel machines with degrading loops is the core, 10 years earlier in the early 60s I think, if my degree is still in my head somewhere. I feel it's more commonly known (certainly with guitar) as Frippertronics with Eno and Fripp.
@@DivKid Developed for Riley by an unknown French studio engineer & named 'Time Lag Accumulation' by Riley. I get that Frippertronics is more well known but it still feels a bit like me inventing house music in the early 90's & calling it Dave. 😀
@@tl3ssI agree. This doesn’t have pitch shifting or many things the Nautilus has. That said, this does some things the Nautilus can’t. If you’re a delay junky, the answer is both.
@@fentanyljones6956 I finally bought a Nautilus after many months of lusting and imho it was more on the bell&whistle side than what's shown on this Veno Echo demo. I sold my Nautilus . Im on the Veno waitlist : ( My fav Delay unit is the Modcan Dual delay buts there's a bunch out there I havent tried.
send an email through the contact on their site and ask, not sure but I did firmware update my prototype prior to this so I'd be hopefully you could use the new firmware. bit.ly/venusinstruments
@@DivKid I did just thot right after I saw your video. Answer: Not yet. They plan on updating firmware for the older unit as well, but they haven’t yet.
What would you want to put in the feedback path? You could patch a feedback path (it is modular*) and there's drive and filters in the feedback path. So it's offering some standard options. *RE patching a feedback loop, one around Beads is really nice so you can shimmer the reverb. Bandpass output of a filter inverted and back into a multi mode filter is a fun one too.
@@DivKid I’ve had some really cool results patching very slowly modulated stuff in feedback paths like phasers or simple tremolo gain with an LPG. I’ve even tried it with control signals to get an organic plucked type envelope. It’s technically possible to make your own feedback path with any delay that goes to 100% wet, but it’s a pain and requires mixers and mults. In my opinion, eurorack still doesn’t have a simple workhorse delay. Everyone tries to get all fancy and they skip over the essentials: both 1v/oct and clock control over time, hardwired/normaled analog insert path, super hi-fi digital engine. The closest I’ve seen is the Eventide EuroDDL, but it’s too expensive and large because they added all these features.
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Senior Officer from the Department of Rubber and Metallurgy here. Yes, something can be rubbery and metallic at the same time. Please carry on.
thank you Senior Officer, appreciate the update.
Really cool stereo delay. I have lots of effects, but this unit really gets to the point and seems very performance oriented.
totally agree
I’m going to have to go through this repeatedly and attempt to patch equivalents of my favorites. Nice exercise-left-for-the-reader!
please do, I hope you get some great results
Scary cool. Damn you for this video right before xmas!!
Thanks Sean really appreciate that! Nice to see you here, must be nearly 15 years ago when I first heard the live mix with John Askew.
Another good video of an pretty interesting delay. If you need Send&Return mainly for filtering and drive in the delay line, this delay could save a lot of space and money. Right now my favorite delay for delay tones on the cleaner side (in contrast to some noise engineering stuff).
It certainly does lots of cleaner tones really well, though I leaned into the character stuff here pretty quickly as I've really enjoyed that aspect of it.
Best tape sounds i’ve heard in modular. Great demo as always. Take my money!
Yeah it absolutely gets incredibly close to my tape units. The valve like soft drive and way the modulation is set up is fantastic for it.
I jumped on the Thonk wait list .
The ModCan Dual Delay has been a fav of mine..probably hard to find anymore.
I also dig the PT2399 units like Synthrotek's DLY ..the run-away feedback can hit that King Tubby sweet spot.
This is very cool - I really don't need more delays.... do I?
Great demo. This module kicks ass. So many great stereo delay options in euro
Top ! Thx for this test 🤩
I believe the Magneto might be the closest sounding delay module with the old worn out tape option… but the Veno-Echo sounds seems to tick all the boxes in what I want from a dual/stereo delay module as far as versatility and and CV options. I’m truly sold due to this video.
Hi Kev, Magneto is fantastic I'm a big Strymon fan. It doesn't have the resonance option for the filtering or drive that this does, which goes a long way to really shaping those feedback trails. Totally agree those two are the closest things for that tape sound though.
Bizarre JezAbel Athra also for that tape & wow and flutter sound
I like delay and I cannot lie!
Dear DivKid! Your very convincing presentation immediately let me order this module :-D well done!
Stoked to see that their ADC is 24bit, 48khz. Wonderful that digital modules are finally catching up to the fidelity levels that are expected from people who have spent thousands building rich analog synth machines and don't want to run their precious through a mobile phone-quality fx processor. Of course, the price tag on this is nothing to scoff at either, but it sounds like the price is probably justified, since its closest competitor is the Magneto, which is even pricier (and a lot bigger).
One of your best video ! really musical . Nice work !
Thanks Laurent, really appreciate that, definitely had a lot of fun with it.
Hi Ben! Which mixer are you using? Those mutes are so useful!!
Hi Duncan, that's the Vortices from SSF with the Mutes expander.
It comes with a 2HP expander to add voltage control over the levels but the Mutes expander gives the Mutes which are really handy. It mutes and unmutes as you let go too, which feels way more performative.
@@DivKid Ah excellent!! Thank you for the scoop on that!
I want to hear more Divkid Van Buuren
First commercial release I had was a trance track about 13 years back, I'm partial to big super saw from time to time.
For Frippertronics, how are you setting (and playing in time to) a phrase length without a Record button?
just improvising. To be blunt there's really nothing to it. Play something, fairly spacious and wait for it to come back around. Listen, react and improvise around it.
If I was trying to play to a grid or clocked material it would be more of an issue. But just freely playing and exploring is really fun.
Here's a video with the Synthesis Technology E520 doing the same thing. ua-cam.com/video/3-yetjC8Ey4/v-deo.html this unit can be a more traditional looper but just playing, leaving overdubs open and exploring I find really engaging.
Can you, very simply, mix the output between the 2 delays ? Go from one short delay to a longer one for example ?
You could patch the sound in with a 50/50 mix patching to the left input, then out of the left output to the right input and right output is your final out ... that gives an interesting mix of both the first delay and the dry signal getting delayed by a longer one (presuming left side short, right side long). This is something I like to do generally with FX.
But ... much simpler there is a cross feedback knob and a width knob to play with how the sounds are routed between the two delays.
@@DivKid Hey that's a clever trick !!! Thanks a lot for the reply.
Looks/sounds great. If they'd just had a real 'looping' mode it would be a perfect replacement for the Magneto (which is wonderful, but takes a lot of hp).
BTW, I looked at their website, but there doesn't seem to be any outlets yet. Do you have any info on where we can find it?
Yeah I agree a normal looper mode would be great, but the control set is pretty different. Although I love that hybrid space of delay as a looper, looper as a delay and bending and twisting between them.
The Venus Instruments website (bit.ly/venusinstruments ) has it up for sale with PayPal and credit card options. But stock is going out to all stores that ordered from distribution and should have been there ready for last night. Global shipping is wild around Christmas so it might just take a few days to show up. Only one I can currently see is a Perfect Circuit pre order. But others should follow soon.
Perfect Circuit affiliate - bit.ly/DK-perfectcircuit - if you care to use it which passively supporters me with a little kick back. There's also a Patreon exclusive discount code for Perfect Circuit too if you care for that.
Who do you usually shop with?
I seem to recall this being rolled out as a concept on MW pre pandemic...
They had a previous version of this. I have one. It’s 4hp larger, doesn’t have nearly as large a buffer, and does not have drive, sample rate reduction, or karplus strong. It’s a fantastic echo. I’m hoping this new firmware will run on the older model, but I’m thinking probably not, and I can’t afford over $500 for another delay, lol.
sounds amazing, quality stuff
Nice video.
Thanks!
Flippintronics? Is that the tape delay technique developed in 1963 which Terry Riley used or the same technique Eno 'invented' in 1973 that Fripp gave his name to. 🤓
Lovely & insightful patching (as always).x
Yeah Terry Riley's dual reel machines with degrading loops is the core, 10 years earlier in the early 60s I think, if my degree is still in my head somewhere. I feel it's more commonly known (certainly with guitar) as Frippertronics with Eno and Fripp.
@@DivKid Developed for Riley by an unknown French studio engineer & named 'Time Lag Accumulation' by Riley. I get that Frippertronics is more well known but it still feels a bit like me inventing house music in the early 90's & calling it Dave. 😀
Invented house music in the early 90s and calling it Dave! hahahaha
Nautilus has some steep competition here.
@@tl3ssI agree. This doesn’t have pitch shifting or many things the Nautilus has. That said, this does some things the Nautilus can’t. If you’re a delay junky, the answer is both.
I wanted to want nautilus but it hasn’t really sold itself on me yet
@@fentanyljones6956 I finally bought a Nautilus after many months of lusting and imho it was more on the bell&whistle side than what's shown on this Veno Echo demo.
I sold my Nautilus . Im on the Veno waitlist : (
My fav Delay unit is the Modcan Dual delay buts there's a bunch out there I havent tried.
I have the first version of this module. Do you know if it can use this firmware?
send an email through the contact on their site and ask, not sure but I did firmware update my prototype prior to this so I'd be hopefully you could use the new firmware.
bit.ly/venusinstruments
@@DivKid I did just thot right after I saw your video.
Answer: Not yet. They plan on updating firmware for the older unit as well, but they haven’t yet.
$500? that's 100 Lil Caesar's pizzas
Ooh!
indeed! It's a good one.
*looks at his Magneto* ....please Master Div, I cannot afford another delay....."IT'S DELAY-THIRSTING-TIME" *whipsnappingsounds*
Oooh!
DivKid Van Buuren in Dubai )))))
Yeah that was a good gig :D
No feedback insert is a deal breaker.
What would you want to put in the feedback path? You could patch a feedback path (it is modular*) and there's drive and filters in the feedback path. So it's offering some standard options.
*RE patching a feedback loop, one around Beads is really nice so you can shimmer the reverb. Bandpass output of a filter inverted and back into a multi mode filter is a fun one too.
@@DivKid I’ve had some really cool results patching very slowly modulated stuff in feedback paths like phasers or simple tremolo gain with an LPG. I’ve even tried it with control signals to get an organic plucked type envelope.
It’s technically possible to make your own feedback path with any delay that goes to 100% wet, but it’s a pain and requires mixers and mults.
In my opinion, eurorack still doesn’t have a simple workhorse delay. Everyone tries to get all fancy and they skip over the essentials: both 1v/oct and clock control over time, hardwired/normaled analog insert path, super hi-fi digital engine. The closest I’ve seen is the Eventide EuroDDL, but it’s too expensive and large because they added all these features.
HARD SYNC